But this flaw in their technology is an inate function of the operating system, their protection was to autorun their protection program when a CD was loaded. You cannot work around this & protect CD audio, you can't force a PC to autorun something it doesn't want to, nor should you be able to.
Any workaround would have to involve a completely different protection approach.
It is obvious to anyone considering this problem that you cannot work around this and still have your CD play in a normal player (i.e. it can't be encrypted).
Actually this is slightly worrying because there is a way they could perhaps load software from any initial CD load that would permanently affect the autorun features on your PC, so if you ever loaded a DRM CD from SunnComm without the shift key and it ran just once it could forever install some crippleware that would force you to autorun forever more effectively disabling the shift key function. This would be a completely odious thing for them to do, permanently altering the useful operation of your operating system. I suppose they could detect the CD and only ignore the shift key if their DRM was absent, but I still don't like the idea of them mucking with my PC just because I popped one of their CDs in the drive.
Any fees for the spectrum will be passed on to viewers, revenues from alternative licensees are not the only reason for freeing up the valuable high bandwidth spectrum.
As for the black borders, that's an aspect ration issue and anamorphic broadcasts happen in analog today to get 16:9 instead of 4:3, not really the issue here but changing the default aspect ratio is not tied to digital broadcasting.
Sigh, in my opinion it was. It was full of speculation. As for thepolitics you should use the example of Dan Rather for made up facts, it'll have much more impact.
Dude why does my opinion bother you so much, you have yours I have mine, BFD. And this is nothing like "I know what I like", there were clear unsunstantiated claims in that article, go read it. You're arguing black is white and you're doing it as an AC.
Dude, I'm not ranting, and yes it was a hatchet piece, it's obvious. Denying it is like Dan Rather saying the Kinko's memos aren't fake. Not everything Kyle posted was proven, that article was full of speculation. Amazing how easily some fanboys are led.
For the record I think Infinium has a sowballs change in hell of being successful (and the article helped that to a slight degree), but I know a hatchet piece when I see one.
wtf are you talking about, I'm posting in response to other posts and mostly to people who reply to *me* like *this post* and I'm not posting as an AC like you, that's why I get the bonus. Don't like it, earn some mod points and do something about it.
Infinium *ALWAYS* said their machine was a vanilla PC based console, they've *NEVER* deviated from this. It ain't difficult to produce, but because HardOCP hadn't seen one they put the boot in. The system HardOCP saw was exactly the kind of system Infinium said they'd been building all along. The only reason you think Infinium is run by a "lying scam artist" is the article by Kyle, why don't you reflect on that and the fact that you know very little about the guy except what the embittered Kyle has written.
It wasn't all supported by documents, it had some documentation but the most damaging parts were speculation. Don't you realize that anyone could take your record and selectively present information rurrounded by conjecture to put you in the worst light possible? The worst part of the whole thing was that it was self fulfilling. An article like that at the wrong time could actually cause Infinium to fail. Building a console business is all about building confidence in your product, your momentum and the likelyhood of success. It takes time and it takes developers.
The article mentioned several key critical points that went back to their central theme on this company like it was a poorly poorly put together PC (don't see how myself, mobo connections and hotclue to keep stuff in place BFD) and raising millions on the basis of a PC prototype which of course is not the case, that's doubly disingenuous when you consider that the original complaint was that there was no hardware, and Infinium's plan all along was that they'd use PC technology.
But this isn't really about that that PC article anyway.
Sigh, I haven't misrepresented any facts and not everyone who disagrees with you is a shill for the other side. There'd be no point to astroturfing here as it's a feeding frenzy anyway. I'm not trolling, as for the facts I've posted the original hatchet peice in other threads, yup to anyone interested go check the facts and for your own opinion.
Dude, I don't care to persuade you that it was a hatchet piece, in my opinion it was. You pretend it was merely a factual representation but it was full of speculation and opinion, and read the worst into everything after starting out with an assumption. The irst article wasn't critical, are you on crack? I suggest you read it.
You assume in your pro-HardOCP frenzy that I'm somehow anti-HardOCP. My remark on their suing in Texas was a neutral observation in response to a posters question, I know Kyle lives in Texas.
I think it had more to do with the laws in different states, Remember HardOCP sued in Texas. Do I think it's right in this case? I have to admit it has a certain appeal, it's just a shame this is the example because that hatchet piece was pretty one sided and malicious in my opinion and just asking for trouble. Yea a lot of web sites get sued for bullshit reasons just to shut them up, but in this case the HardOCP peice was ridiculous and sought to demonize infinium and the CEO, it explicitly tried to damage them in my opinion. So yea fighting back was cool, but actually this was more like legal stratgery, let's speculate for a moment and guess that HardOCP's lawyers probably thought Kyle would lose his ass in a Florida court and the best recourse was to sue in Texas for a declatory judgement that he was in the clear that they could use as a shield elsewhere.
Yep, good point but where's the margin? They need a *lot* of content to get shizzle. A lot of developers taking a big risk unless they can get PC titles running with almost no modifications (and of course Microsoft has thsir hooks into them for big bucks to run windows and they have a competing console).
Well, I think the Phantom has almost no chance of success, so I'd never get one, then again I don't really have any console (last one was an N64) I'm a PC gamer although I've done game development for the XBOX. Don't get me wrong, I think Phantom real enough and the intentions are there, I just think trying to bootstrap a console business from nothing is incredibly difficult. Maybe they can piggyback PC games development but IMHO it's gonna be nigh on impossible to get a business going and get developers onboard. It is a tough business to crack into.
This isn't about the hotglue article, it never was, it's about this peice . and HardOCP actually sued Infinium, so which lawsuit this is is not exactly clear to me. There were lawsuits in different jusisdictions flying both ways.
I don't work for Infinium, but I don't share your opinion. Just because HardOCP is a community site doesn't automatically earn them my support, I like to judge by the facts. The original article was a classic hatchet piece, it wasn't based entirely on facts, it was full of speculation and assumptions about the worst possible motives and. I'm not astroturfing, just posting where I think I can make corrections. I don't have a lot of sympatyh for HardOCP in this case, I think there are two sides in this case and everyone automatically landing in the HardOCP camp is their business, but excuse me if I sit on the sidelines on this one.
I've read the evidence, what's your point. You did read the original hatchet piece that started all this didn't you?
Just because someone doesn't agree with your fanboy attitude towards HardOCP doesn't make them a troll. Geeze, Kyle sued HardOCP in his own district hoping for a more favourable judgement based on local law In my opinion.
But ultimately I don't really care about this case, it is amusing to see posters like you being so blatantly one sided about this. Yes he's a community driven site and OK, Infinium has what you could call vaporware, but physical examples exist out there. This was the least SLAP like SLAP case I've seen and Infinium's response was a predictable responses to a hatchet peice IMHO.
This is categorically wrong, who modded this informative? It is 100% factually wrong.
HardOCP did a hatchet job on the CEO and Infinium threatened them legally, HardOCP then sued Infinium. Quite amazing really. The hotglue Phantom internals article came much later.
Proves that Kyle is mad in my opinion, but it looks like he gets to see their books. What a complete pain in the ass for Infinium, you gotta laugh.
It's pretty amazing that this has come back to haunt Infinium, Kyle gets to see just about everything relating to their company business, *everything*, holy crap, email, board meetings, and financials including investors, to a frikin 'jopurnalist'. Pretty amazing that this was ordered.
The uproar is they had a lot of talk about a PC based console but nobody could get their hands on one, so Hard[OCP] assumed it was vaporware and did a hatchet piece on the CEO accusing him of all sorts of stuff like failed businesses in the past and running shell companies, running off with investors moner & hiring his own mom, etc.
Basically arguing that Phantom was never going to happen. Naturally Infinium responded with legal threats and in the end Hard[OCP] actually sued Infinium, yup that's right, the web magazine sued Infinium.
Anyhoo, people have since gotten their hands on physical Phantom console prototypes including Hard[OCP]. Despite this Hard[OCP] still calls it vapor, and it might well be since that's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy in the case of the Phantom, you need to be able to sell a lot of units from the start to start a console business and get a viable critical mass going.
Infinium are trying to pull off something very difficult from a business perspective and Hard[OCP] stuck the boot in, but the fact that this has been rumoured for a long time got Hard[OCP] a lot of sympathy in the community. Why I dunno, Kyle at Hard[OCP] went out looking for this fight, not the other way around.
Hard[OCP] lays it on a bit thick. Infinium have never said they had anything more than a vanilla PC in the box, they even give the specs on their site here (and these are the revised specs)
The whole point is that this *IS* a PC in a plastic box, (so is XBOX for that matter) and the Phantom legal issues weren't over mere technical revelations or petty opinions like this it started over a blatant hatchet piece Hard[OCP] did, mainly targeted at the CEO of Infinium.
Any prototype is going to be like this system or worse, it would be criminal to spend more effort on anything before going to mass production. Microsoft's XBOX2 prototypes are Apple dual G5s for crying out loud.
Summary, Hard[OCP] is far from an impartial reporter in this, they finally get proof of a real phantom and dis it as much as they can for being exactly what Infinium have always said it was.
I have a strange feeling of deja-vu, but something's different, almost like they've hacked the matrix, hmm... that's it! They've hacked reality to move a the vulnerability that was found in Windows only days ago.
This is getting serious, somebody check the windows, quick!
No you *don't* get to freefall up to terminal velocity. You exit into the air flow at the forward motion of the aircraft. You are instantly subject to acceleration forces.
Once again the frame of reference counts and it *is* zero gravity. Your first link seem to support what everyone except you has been posting here. You have to revert to archaic Newtonian descriptions to support your zero gravity thesis But not even Newton can tell the difference between zero-G and orbiting in a box (ignoring tidal effects).
Look, XORing is how a lot of encryption works, the deal is you need to make the sequence of bytes you XOR with unique, unknown and difficult to determine/guess. Hashing functions do this by producing the long XOR sequence from a smaller key.
So what is it XOR'd with? If it is some common or repeating sequence then obviously this is about as pathetic as it gets. Unfortunately the advisory is completely devoid of details on he password storage other than saying it is XOR encrypted.
The password may be XOR'd with it's own hash function output in which case this isn't as bad as it looks. Looking at the paper it seems that the real flaw is the software in memory decryption of this XOR'd password to reveal it plain text in memory, however again it is still not entirely clear how flawed this is.
For it to decode that password it would have to know what the encryption key was in software so that would be a *huge* flaw, however plain text comparrisons could work if the password itself was used for the encryption/decryption.
For example you could encrypt the password with the hash output then store it and decrypt it with the candidate hash output for any new password attempted. Only if it was the correct hash password would this produce a match and only with the correct password typed in in memory could you ever see a correct plaintext password in memory.
It must be that the software has a fixed key in software which is used for the comparrison for this to be an issue. That would be spectacularly incompetent, either that or this advisory is spectacularly inept. It is actually difficult to tell from the info we have so don't jump to conclusions.
If it is a bug a simple fix would be to use the password itself to encrypt the password on the disk instead of some fixed key, but I can't believe that this isn't done already.
Sigh, skydiving is ***NOTHING*** like freefall. Go lie on a really soft mattress and close your eyes, then imagine lots of wind rush noise, then imaging a spectacular view from 13000 feet, that's skydiving. You have 1 G acting on you at all times (a bit less at the start but never zero G). The *only* thing that differentiates skydiving from lying on a soft bed is the frame of reference of falling from 13000 feet and that's the one thing thing that is denied you on the aircraft. Infact it is fair to say that this aircraft ride is almost the exact opposite of skydiving.
Zero-G is a commonly accepted term. Moreover in the frame of reference of the zero-G you *cannot tell the difference*. If I'm in orbit, I'm subject to the pull of the Earth, The gravity constantly pulls but there's no way to tell in the frame of reference of the spaceship. Yes microgravity refers to miniscule local gravitational effects everyone knows this but what you should take from this is that if NASA weren't so pedantic thay'd call the micro-gravity missions zero-gravity missions.
Yes in the aircraft you can look out the window, same on the spaceship, the aircraft has no windows so the frame of reference of the aircraft is maintained. i.e. you are in zero gravity environment.
Your attempt to imply that there's some gravitational flux that should be considered is physical nonsense. The frame of reference counts. (no I don't want to hear about miniscule effects like tidal forces.)
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But this flaw in their technology is an inate function of the operating system, their protection was to autorun their protection program when a CD was loaded. You cannot work around this & protect CD audio, you can't force a PC to autorun something it doesn't want to, nor should you be able to.
Any workaround would have to involve a completely different protection approach.
It is obvious to anyone considering this problem that you cannot work around this and still have your CD play in a normal player (i.e. it can't be encrypted).
Actually this is slightly worrying because there is a way they could perhaps load software from any initial CD load that would permanently affect the autorun features on your PC, so if you ever loaded a DRM CD from SunnComm without the shift key and it ran just once it could forever install some crippleware that would force you to autorun forever more effectively disabling the shift key function. This would be a completely odious thing for them to do, permanently altering the useful operation of your operating system. I suppose they could detect the CD and only ignore the shift key if their DRM was absent, but I still don't like the idea of them mucking with my PC just because I popped one of their CDs in the drive.
Any fees for the spectrum will be passed on to viewers, revenues from alternative licensees are not the only reason for freeing up the valuable high bandwidth spectrum.
As for the black borders, that's an aspect ration issue and anamorphic broadcasts happen in analog today to get 16:9 instead of 4:3, not really the issue here but changing the default aspect ratio is not tied to digital broadcasting.
Sigh, in my opinion it was. It was full of speculation. As for thepolitics you should use the example of Dan Rather for made up facts, it'll have much more impact.
Dude why does my opinion bother you so much, you have yours I have mine, BFD. And this is nothing like "I know what I like", there were clear unsunstantiated claims in that article, go read it. You're arguing black is white and you're doing it as an AC.
Dude, I'm not ranting, and yes it was a hatchet piece, it's obvious. Denying it is like Dan Rather saying the Kinko's memos aren't fake. Not everything Kyle posted was proven, that article was full of speculation. Amazing how easily some fanboys are led.
For the record I think Infinium has a sowballs change in hell of being successful (and the article helped that to a slight degree), but I know a hatchet piece when I see one.
wtf are you talking about, I'm posting in response to other posts and mostly to people who reply to *me* like *this post* and I'm not posting as an AC like you, that's why I get the bonus. Don't like it, earn some mod points and do something about it.
Infinium *ALWAYS* said their machine was a vanilla PC based console, they've *NEVER* deviated from this. It ain't difficult to produce, but because HardOCP hadn't seen one they put the boot in. The system HardOCP saw was exactly the kind of system Infinium said they'd been building all along. The only reason you think Infinium is run by a "lying scam artist" is the article by Kyle, why don't you reflect on that and the fact that you know very little about the guy except what the embittered Kyle has written.
It wasn't all supported by documents, it had some documentation but the most damaging parts were speculation. Don't you realize that anyone could take your record and selectively present information rurrounded by conjecture to put you in the worst light possible? The worst part of the whole thing was that it was self fulfilling. An article like that at the wrong time could actually cause Infinium to fail. Building a console business is all about building confidence in your product, your momentum and the likelyhood of success. It takes time and it takes developers.
The article mentioned several key critical points that went back to their central theme on this company like it was a poorly poorly put together PC (don't see how myself, mobo connections and hotclue to keep stuff in place BFD) and raising millions on the basis of a PC prototype which of course is not the case, that's doubly disingenuous when you consider that the original complaint was that there was no hardware, and Infinium's plan all along was that they'd use PC technology.
But this isn't really about that that PC article anyway.
Sigh, I haven't misrepresented any facts and not everyone who disagrees with you is a shill for the other side. There'd be no point to astroturfing here as it's a feeding frenzy anyway. I'm not trolling, as for the facts I've posted the original hatchet peice in other threads, yup to anyone interested go check the facts and for your own opinion.
Dude, I don't care to persuade you that it was a hatchet piece, in my opinion it was. You pretend it was merely a factual representation but it was full of speculation and opinion, and read the worst into everything after starting out with an assumption. The irst article wasn't critical, are you on crack? I suggest you read it.
You assume in your pro-HardOCP frenzy that I'm somehow anti-HardOCP. My remark on their suing in Texas was a neutral observation in response to a posters question, I know Kyle lives in Texas.
I think it had more to do with the laws in different states, Remember HardOCP sued in Texas. Do I think it's right in this case? I have to admit it has a certain appeal, it's just a shame this is the example because that hatchet piece was pretty one sided and malicious in my opinion and just asking for trouble. Yea a lot of web sites get sued for bullshit reasons just to shut them up, but in this case the HardOCP peice was ridiculous and sought to demonize infinium and the CEO, it explicitly tried to damage them in my opinion. So yea fighting back was cool, but actually this was more like legal stratgery, let's speculate for a moment and guess that HardOCP's lawyers probably thought Kyle would lose his ass in a Florida court and the best recourse was to sue in Texas for a declatory judgement that he was in the clear that they could use as a shield elsewhere.
Yep, good point but where's the margin? They need a *lot* of content to get shizzle. A lot of developers taking a big risk unless they can get PC titles running with almost no modifications (and of course Microsoft has thsir hooks into them for big bucks to run windows and they have a competing console).
Well, I think the Phantom has almost no chance of success, so I'd never get one, then again I don't really have any console (last one was an N64) I'm a PC gamer although I've done game development for the XBOX. Don't get me wrong, I think Phantom real enough and the intentions are there, I just think trying to bootstrap a console business from nothing is incredibly difficult. Maybe they can piggyback PC games development but IMHO it's gonna be nigh on impossible to get a business going and get developers onboard. It is a tough business to crack into.
This isn't about the hotglue article, it never was, it's about this peice . and HardOCP actually sued Infinium, so which lawsuit this is is not exactly clear to me. There were lawsuits in different jusisdictions flying both ways.
I don't work for Infinium, but I don't share your opinion. Just because HardOCP is a community site doesn't automatically earn them my support, I like to judge by the facts. The original article was a classic hatchet piece, it wasn't based entirely on facts, it was full of speculation and assumptions about the worst possible motives and. I'm not astroturfing, just posting where I think I can make corrections. I don't have a lot of sympatyh for HardOCP in this case, I think there are two sides in this case and everyone automatically landing in the HardOCP camp is their business, but excuse me if I sit on the sidelines on this one.
Edit, typo; that should read "Kyle sued Infinium", not "Kyle sued HardOCP"
I've read the evidence, what's your point. You did read the original hatchet piece that started all this didn't you?
Just because someone doesn't agree with your fanboy attitude towards HardOCP doesn't make them a troll. Geeze, Kyle sued HardOCP in his own district hoping for a more favourable judgement based on local law In my opinion.
But ultimately I don't really care about this case, it is amusing to see posters like you being so blatantly one sided about this. Yes he's a community driven site and OK, Infinium has what you could call vaporware, but physical examples exist out there. This was the least SLAP like SLAP case I've seen and Infinium's response was a predictable responses to a hatchet peice IMHO.
This is categorically wrong, who modded this informative? It is 100% factually wrong.
HardOCP did a hatchet job on the CEO and Infinium threatened them legally, HardOCP then sued Infinium. Quite amazing really. The hotglue Phantom internals article came much later.
Proves that Kyle is mad in my opinion, but it looks like he gets to see their books. What a complete pain in the ass for Infinium, you gotta laugh.
It's pretty amazing that this has come back to haunt Infinium, Kyle gets to see just about everything relating to their company business, *everything*, holy crap, email, board meetings, and financials including investors, to a frikin 'jopurnalist'. Pretty amazing that this was ordered.
The uproar is they had a lot of talk about a PC based console but nobody could get their hands on one, so Hard[OCP] assumed it was vaporware and did a hatchet piece on the CEO accusing him of all sorts of stuff like failed businesses in the past and running shell companies, running off with investors moner & hiring his own mom, etc.
Basically arguing that Phantom was never going to happen. Naturally Infinium responded with legal threats and in the end Hard[OCP] actually sued Infinium, yup that's right, the web magazine sued Infinium.
Anyhoo, people have since gotten their hands on physical Phantom console prototypes including Hard[OCP]. Despite this Hard[OCP] still calls it vapor, and it might well be since that's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy in the case of the Phantom, you need to be able to sell a lot of units from the start to start a console business and get a viable critical mass going.
Infinium are trying to pull off something very difficult from a business perspective and Hard[OCP] stuck the boot in, but the fact that this has been rumoured for a long time got Hard[OCP] a lot of sympathy in the community. Why I dunno, Kyle at Hard[OCP] went out looking for this fight, not the other way around.
Hard[OCP] lays it on a bit thick. Infinium have never said they had anything more than a vanilla PC in the box, they even give the specs on their site here (and these are the revised specs)
The whole point is that this *IS* a PC in a plastic box, (so is XBOX for that matter) and the Phantom legal issues weren't over mere technical revelations or petty opinions like this it started over a blatant hatchet piece Hard[OCP] did, mainly targeted at the CEO of Infinium.
Any prototype is going to be like this system or worse, it would be criminal to spend more effort on anything before going to mass production. Microsoft's XBOX2 prototypes are Apple dual G5s for crying out loud.
Summary, Hard[OCP] is far from an impartial reporter in this, they finally get proof of a real phantom and dis it as much as they can for being exactly what Infinium have always said it was.
I have a strange feeling of deja-vu, but something's different, almost like they've hacked the matrix, hmm... that's it! They've hacked reality to move a the vulnerability that was found in Windows only days ago.
This is getting serious, somebody check the windows, quick!
No you *don't* get to freefall up to terminal velocity. You exit into the air flow at the forward motion of the aircraft. You are instantly subject to acceleration forces.
Once again the frame of reference counts and it *is* zero gravity. Your first link seem to support what everyone except you has been posting here. You have to revert to archaic Newtonian descriptions to support your zero gravity thesis But not even Newton can tell the difference between zero-G and orbiting in a box (ignoring tidal effects).
Look, XORing is how a lot of encryption works, the deal is you need to make the sequence of bytes you XOR with unique, unknown and difficult to determine/guess. Hashing functions do this by producing the long XOR sequence from a smaller key.
So what is it XOR'd with? If it is some common or repeating sequence then obviously this is about as pathetic as it gets. Unfortunately the advisory is completely devoid of details on he password storage other than saying it is XOR encrypted.
The password may be XOR'd with it's own hash function output in which case this isn't as bad as it looks. Looking at the paper it seems that the real flaw is the software in memory decryption of this XOR'd password to reveal it plain text in memory, however again it is still not entirely clear how flawed this is.
For it to decode that password it would have to know what the encryption key was in software so that would be a *huge* flaw, however plain text comparrisons could work if the password itself was used for the encryption/decryption.
For example you could encrypt the password with the hash output then store it and decrypt it with the candidate hash output for any new password attempted. Only if it was the correct hash password would this produce a match and only with the correct password typed in in memory could you ever see a correct plaintext password in memory.
It must be that the software has a fixed key in software which is used for the comparrison for this to be an issue. That would be spectacularly incompetent, either that or this advisory is spectacularly inept. It is actually difficult to tell from the info we have so don't jump to conclusions.
If it is a bug a simple fix would be to use the password itself to encrypt the password on the disk instead of some fixed key, but I can't believe that this isn't done already.
Sigh, skydiving is ***NOTHING*** like freefall. Go lie on a really soft mattress and close your eyes, then imagine lots of wind rush noise, then imaging a spectacular view from 13000 feet, that's skydiving. You have 1 G acting on you at all times (a bit less at the start but never zero G). The *only* thing that differentiates skydiving from lying on a soft bed is the frame of reference of falling from 13000 feet and that's the one thing thing that is denied you on the aircraft. Infact it is fair to say that this aircraft ride is almost the exact opposite of skydiving.
Zero-G is a commonly accepted term. Moreover in the frame of reference of the zero-G you *cannot tell the difference*. If I'm in orbit, I'm subject to the pull of the Earth, The gravity constantly pulls but there's no way to tell in the frame of reference of the spaceship. Yes microgravity refers to miniscule local gravitational effects everyone knows this but what you should take from this is that if NASA weren't so pedantic thay'd call the micro-gravity missions zero-gravity missions.
Yes in the aircraft you can look out the window, same on the spaceship, the aircraft has no windows so the frame of reference of the aircraft is maintained. i.e. you are in zero gravity environment.
Your attempt to imply that there's some gravitational flux that should be considered is physical nonsense. The frame of reference counts. (no I don't want to hear about miniscule effects like tidal forces.)