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Serial Cables Illegal Due to DMCA?
Colin McMillen writes "I've recently had an
interesting run-in with the DMCA... apparently, US Customs has rejected entry of a PC<->Sega Dreamcast serial cable into the US, supposedly due to copyright violations. This cable was to be used for Dreamcast programming for the Real-Time Systems class offered at my university. This seems to be a clear case of the DMCA abridging a perfectly valid educational use of a perfectly legal piece of hardware."
Never having seen a dreamcast, I bet it has a non-standard connector, so a nice pre-fab cable would be better. However, in light of this totally lame event... open pandora's box again.
Method of processing duck feet
... but then you'd probably wind up in jail for DMCA Violations anyway.
So much for innovation and advancement.
/~mikeg
What difference is there between the function of a Dreamcast Coders' Cable and that of a floppy disk? Both can be used for transferring both legal and illegal material. It seems somewhat wrong that customs should assume that you're going to use something illegally, especially when the primary use is perfectly legal.
This seems to be a clear case of the DMCA abridging a perfectly valid educational use of a perfectly legal piece of hardware."
Let's be honest here -- how much bitching and moaning is going to go on about the DMCA? Instead of pissing and crying about it, fucking do something. Doing something ISN'T ranting the same old shit to a chorus of believers.
And let's be clear, this is both a troll and flamebait. I'm serious. This bullshit is getting old, and maybe its time people step up to the plate instead of yelling from the upper deck. If you've been fucked by the DMCA, Slashdot is the LAST place to go.
No sig is worth reading.
They let Richard Reed onto an airplane, but they take away your serial cable.
Someone you trust is one of us.
btw, there's a k5 story about this for those who care.
This seems to be another UPS fuckup... According to the Customs dep, you're supposed to get 90 days to apeal these types of things, but UPS said there was "no way." that anything can be done.
Asside from that, I think I speak for everyone when I say I find this a little desturbing. I mean, I'm sure Lik Sang has a 'reputation'... but the things are just wires for god sake.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
DMCA is supposed to prevent us from circumventing copy controls. Is a serial interface with (I assume) a non-standard plug a legitimate copy-control that deserves federal protections?
I smell a wumpus! [S]hoot or [M]ove ->
>The USA is becoming a police state.
Wake up, rub yer eyes and smell the coffee, this is a police state. Maybe it hasn't affected you yet, but rest assured, it sure as hell will.
why do you have to get Sony's permission to wirk on a Sega product? Sony isnt god or the king..
I say everyone flip off sony. and be sure to talk about how dishonorable sony is.
... from one in a PC? What I mean is, a serial cable is just a way to interface with a port under a certain specification (in this case a serial protocol). The fact that the Dreamcast has a serial connector indicates that its use is legal. ;)
Why will anybody put a connector that you are NOT supposed to use??!! So now using the serial cable is illegal... does this make the use of the parallel port in my PC illegal? (If so, I am going to jail because I can't remember how many times I have used it
Now seriously, the custom office does NOT know how the serial cable is going to be used, so they assumed that it was going to be used the "wrong" way. In that case very soon, custom should stop anybody ordering bricks from China (or somewhere else, for that matter), because killing people is illegal in the USA, and bricks can be used to kill people...
It is not just the DMCA: it is the whole idea, very popular these days in political talk, that if something can be used for harmful purposes, it needs to be banned inmediately because it will be used in that manner.
"I can't see a f#@!! thing" - photon a to crossing photon b
...why, with so many other, more important things to be worrying about, the customs officials are watching for serial cables? Ever hear of priorities, Mr. Customs Man?
Jeez...
CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
...for John Byrd actually, up until February 2001, when Sega of Japan dropped the axe on the Sega of America Third-Party Developer Technical Support (DTS). I have contacted him about this article, and maybe he can say a few words (however, he does not work for Sega anymore, so I don't know what effect his words will have).
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Truth be told, when we were at Sega, we were following the amateur programmers, and we knew that there was no way that we could stop them (not that the youthful hackers in us really wanted to). I don't know if this will help you any, but Sega of America actually ran a mailing list at one time for amateur VMU (Visual Memory Unit) programmers - this may be useful in establishing some credibility that Sega was encouraging development. Of course, then again, there was usually a difference between what SOA and SOJ wanted.
Although I do not know where the links are for making the cables, it is possible to do so (and I believe that somebody else pasted the link). The only catch is finding the Dreamcast serial port side. Rather than ordering from Hong Kong, you might want to see if you can find the Japanese ISDN cable, which is the real version of the cable you are looking for (I have one at home). I don't remember the part number, but I can look it up tonight. That and a null-modem adaptor, and you're in business.
Absolutely rediculous what is going on. I wonder when my homeland of Canada will begin to follow suit.
Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, and not Sega of America, Sega of Japan, John Byrd, or any other current or former Sega employee.
-- Joe
If US Customs is attempting to "protec" a companys interests via the DMCA by preventing import of a device that enables activity the company explicitly approve of, that should be a real eye opener for corporate friendly politicians.
hmmmm... a patent covering the serial transfer of data over a twisted pair of wires accompanied by control lines limiting bandwidth in a controlled fashion.
Sprinkled with enough multisyllabic buzzwords, the most obvious and time proven techniques can be novel.
With the guiding principle of law being innocent until proven guilty, they must do no such thing.
Cheers,
Ian
God I hate to sound redundant but...
We told you guys this would happen when the idiots started banning guns. "Guns hurt people," the fools would blather. Yes, if you're annoyed by what I'm saying, you're one of the fools who made this mess. Thanks, asshole.
Oddly enough, crime didn't go down. Rather, it got worse.
Next it was boxcutters, knives, razors, screwdrivers (had two of those in my PC bag confiscated in Miami last week). Teeny little PC screwdrivers, now regarded as a deadly weapon.
Yet criminals figure out another way.
Either we're going to have to put an end to this idiocy and get more of the population supporting the punishment of criminals, not inanimate objects, or we're going to keep going down the slope until the only people that have stuff are the governmental elite and those that can afford to pay them off for the priveledge.
I myself ordered a "DC Coder's Cable" from Lik-Sang a few months ago, and had it shipped via airmail (USPS). It arrived without a problem. Anyway, the fact that SEGA would nail people for this is very strange, especially since the DC is all but dead and the serial cables are (mostly) used for legitimate purposes, by Dreamcast homebrew hackers.
I wonder if this thing was misidentified by customs as one of Lik-Sang's "Gameboy Advance Backup and Development system. Nintendo has always been more sensitive to piracy, and the GameBoy Advance seems like a big enough market to crack the whip on.
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
Anyway, don't you need a license from Sony to develop software for the dreamcast? If you don't have one, how is wrong to restrict access to a tool that's only purpose is do development, even if its academic.
bzzt...WRONG!. You can't be prohibited from downloading software you wrote to a piece of hardware that you own, as long as you don't circumvent any encryption to do so. That is the use the guy has for the dreamcast.
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Why the fuck would you sue Sega????????
They aren't involved in anyway, other than producing the Dreamcast hardware. Sue the US Government, sue UPS, sue ANYONE BUT SEGA.
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. The fact that it got 4 points makes it more so.
I'm sorry, but this is just a lame excuse. Following this line of thought, they had better hurry up and BAN importation and construction of WLAN cards. These clearly are a violation of the DMCA because they permit people to drive around in cars with laptops and tap into corporate networks to steal copyrighted and private materials. In fact, maybe they should just ban laptops and automobiles altogether.
The single biggest problem is that they provided *NO METHOD* for him to discuss the case with the person who made the decision to reject entry of his shipment. If there were even reasonable controls in place to make sure innocent people weren't harmed by this law, it might not draw such anger from. But the DMCA is probably one of the biggest reasons for campaign finance reforms outside of Enron and Microsoft. It clearly was not well thought out, and is an attempt to prevent potential crimes by eliminating the tools with which they are committed, at the obvious expense of legitimate use of those tools.
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Yes, but is changing the arrangments of the pins
and shape of the connector on one end of normal
serial cable "innovative" or "non-obvious"?
Somehow it doesn't seem that way to me...
I thought you guys had a constitutional safeguard against this sort of behaviour?
Barely. Don't get me started on the marginal constitutionality of drug-related seizure laws. This is a special case though; we're not talking about search and seizure of property, we're talking about customs controls. Customs has the responsibility (and power) to control what enters the country. If you're going to be importing something, you've got to be willing to let customs have a look at it. If they don't like it, they won't let it in. It's like that everywhere, I think.
What does Sega having or not having a patent have to do with this? The DMCA is all about circumventing an access control measure to a copyrighted work, and doesn't really care about what Sega's patents are. If they want to go after the company manufacturing them for patent infringement, fine (assuming they have a patent), but that has nothing to do with this issue.
What we have happening here is that an item is being forbidden to enter the country because it MIGHT be usable for bypassing an access control to a copyrighted work. The DMCA makes no distinction about whether the item may have other leagl uses. Seems like a lawsuit is in order against the US customs department, and this has some really strong legal ground to stand on.
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This conversion is a very common issue with a lot of products, schematics and chips to handle the adjustment are all over the net.
Elbows writes:
Actually, yes- I have seen some truly innovative means of connecting serial interfaces, including some really ancient IBM technology that is truly bizarre- looks like some sort of electroshock torture device, but apparently works really wellThe USPTO has been pretty lax about this sort of thing, pretty much pay your money and get a 'rubber stamp' approval without any real review.
I do not deploy Linux. Ever.
This is one more illustration of why the DMCA reads as veritable "What Not to Do" Guide for statutory drafting...
To summarize the language of the DMCA - "No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any [circumvention] technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof..." 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(2).
If the cable that Colin tried to import is prohibited under the DMCA, then Marcus Comstedt's Programming site, whose URL was posted previously, still consists of "offering to the public" the "technology." Therefore, to the extent the import is prohibited, so is disclosing how to improvise one.
And fair use? Yeah - nevermind that. Doesn't apply to circumvention technologies. Hell, even Slashdot may be on the hook for hosting this discussion because the safe harbors for ISPs don't apply in Sec. 1201.
Recall what happened when 2600 was enjoined from posting DeCSS. Following the issuance of the injunction, in true keeping with 2600 style, the site just linked to sites where you could get DeCSS. The court wasn't amused, and that was enjoined too. And while no one is foolish enough to pursue claims on these grounds (as much as the EFF might appreciate it) the mere fact that the DMCA permits such actions exemplifies why its passage was an unmitigated catastrophe.
It may be cold, but at least it's clear.
How the hell can you call your country the land of the free when your not even allowed to import a piece of wire. And no, don't give me any bull shit stories of IP protection. It is a bit of wire, with at the most a couple of components soldered on. Its not a nuke, a vile of anthrax or cuban cigars (Why the _hell_ are these banned in a free country???) its just metal, and plastic. Ok, maybe you could strangle someone with it - but for crists sake, you let 12 year olds by automatic weapons. ROFL serves you all right.
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Ok, I'll bite too.
The whole four paragraphs in parent are simply horse shit. I can't believe people have been conditioned to the point of accepting whatever politicians which are bought by special interest groups have slapped to them.
Yes, research is allowed. You are free to research any of your own creations. Feel free to investigate the laws of nature. Feel free to experiment to come up with different ways to travel. Feel free to write software, create art in original ways. None of that is illegal.
Wake up, man. All researches are based upon previous knowledge and discovery. Imagine if all data structures and algorithms have been patented/copyrighted. Feel free to write software without violating someone's patent. How are you gonna do that? My wife is a Ph.D and working on early cancer detection research, based on some hereditary genes. And guess what, genes and the process of splicing/cutting/purifying/etc are all patented. The whole process of the research violates someone's patents on more than half of the steps required. Even the result analysis process is patented. Go figure.
Perhaps it's "informative" because it contains useful information. If you gave it enough time, even you could probably figure out how to cut and paste the url in order to visit the site.
Plus the cut and paste method will get you to a site that describes how to make a serial cable for the dreamcast. It does not take you to goatse.cx like your link does.
The DMCA isn't about patents in that way, it's about copyright. That guy can't have his serial cable because he could use it(not bloody likely) to circumvent the copyright protection on music CDs and (possibly, depending on interpetation), dreamcast disks.
That's the reason the DMCA is such a bad law. It bans anything (ANYTHING) which can be used to circumvent copy protection.
It's like banning(and making it illegal to sell or distribute, or information on how to create) butterknives because they could be plunged into a persons chest. Stupid. Immoral too.
It's been a long time.
...at least in this case, if it hasn't already been suggested...
Why not just order the parts individually, and build the damn cable yourself? Can't be that difficult!
" Both "America" and "Alabama" would come before "Argentina" in an alphabetical list."
America is a continent (or 2)
Alabama is a state
Argentina is a country
What would Lemmy do?