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82-Year-Old Coder Trumps BT's Hyperlink Patent

grendelkhan writes: "According to Wired News, 82 year-old programmer, Bob Bemer, claims his creation of escape invalidates British Telecomm's hyperlink patent. He has no intentions on cashing in, he just wants BT to quit suing people and prove, in his own words: 'All this new patent stuff is crazy and counterproductive.'"

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  1. Not just a coder... by Numair · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He invented the ESCAPE KEY!

    The basis of his case rests on the fact that http:// is actually HTTP. Luckily, neither he nor IBM patented this invention.

    I want to meet this guy ... he sounds cool.

  2. questions by geekoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to get /. to do a question and answer with this guy.
    Programming since the '40s!

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    1. Re:questions by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll second that. A thorough interview would also be nice. If this guy successfully crushes BT's suit, as seems very possible, he's definitely going to be making the rounds in the tech media. He might even get some nice words from John C. Dvorak.

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  3. Your homework assignment... by Masem · · Score: 5, Interesting
    (I have submitted the following link, but since this was posted first, I expect it to be rejected..)

    Find the parallels between this (the BT case) and this patent lawsuit that SightSound is bringing against CDNow but potentally all music/video sellers. (SightSound claims they own the common methods of selling music and video over the Internet, and the judge has allowed the case to go to trial).

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  4. My Grandma by Perdo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    84 years old, worked at berkley. Started in data entry then developed a macro to do some of it for her. A computer programmer in every sence of the word. Never made a name for herself.

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  5. Re:Old-Timers strike back by sphealey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Nah, he can hit them with a, "Back when I invented COBOL" story.
    Ha ha. Except that Adm. Grace Hopper, who did invent Cobol (as well as the idea of the assembler, which she didn't patent) was going full steam ahead (pun intended) in her 80's as a consultant for the Navy right up until her death. Or as the editor of Data Communications magazine once said to a 20-something web programmer designing a new subscription form: "Where is the radio button for 50+ years in experience in the industry?".

    sPh

  6. Re:How is this relevant to BT's patent? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He doesn't own a patent, he's just showing prior art; that hyperlinking is really a case of 'escape' execution.

  7. Good quote by hether · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I loved this quote from the article:

    "Technology develops through decades of work by many people. That's why I put my work into the public domain whenever possible."

    Why can't everybody think more like this old guy??

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  8. old school hacker. by Restil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back in the day, when programmers didn't even ponder the possibility of owning code, or patenting ideas. Back when multiuser operating systems had no passwords, and a commands called "KILL SYSTEM" that strangely enough, although being accessible to everyone, was never abused.

    How things have changed.

    -Restil

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  9. Re:How is this relevant to BT's patent? by elmegil · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's not the escape KEY, it's the concept of an escape SEQUENCE. I.E. a character or characters that modifies the meaning of the following characters so that they do something meaningful with the computer. In the "old days" (perhaps not the original old days, but 20+ years ago when I started programming) this was mostly used for cursor positioning on dumb terminals; esc[12;25 would put your cursor at line 12 column 25 or some such.

    Today it's more abstract, http:// is an escape sequence indicating that the following characters are to be interpreted as a hostname followed by a path name, which make up a hyperlink aka URL.

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  10. Re:Old-Timers strike back by m_chan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Off-topic? Moderator, follow the link.

    Anyway, here is more on Mr. Bemer for others who do not follow the link:

    At Lockheed, he devised the first computerized 3-D dynamic perspective,
    prelude to today's computer animation.
    At IBM, he developed
    PRINT I (the first load-and-go computer method),
    FORTRANSIT (the first major proof of intercomputer portability,
    and the second FORTRAN compiler),
    Commercial Translator (a COBOL input), and
    XTRAN (an ALGOL predecessor).
    In 1957 March he was the first to describe commercial timesharing,
    which you now see as the Worldwide Web.
    In 1959 his internal IBM memo proposed word processing.
    The Identification and Environment Divisions of COBOL are due to him,
    as is the Picture Clause, which could have avoided the Year 2000 problem
    if used correctly.
    He coined the terms "COBOL", "CODASYL", and "Software Factory".
    He was the major force in developing ASCII (contributing 6 characters --
    ESCape (see that key), FS, GS, RS, US, and the backslash). He invented the
    escape sequence and registry concept, and is called the "Father of ASCII".
    He wrote the original scope and program of work for international and
    national computer standards, and chaired the international committee for
    programming language standards for eleven years.
    He was Program Chairman for ACM 70, promoter of National Computer
    Year (when the Y2K problem should have been solved), and edited the
    proceedings as the book "Computers and Crisis".
    Three Pioneer Days have honored him -- SHARE, COBOL, and FORTRAN.
    As editor of the Honeywell Computer Journal (the first A4-size publication
    [1971] in the U.S.) he innovated fiche-of-the-issue and multimedia publishing.
    He has published more than 110 articles in technical journals.
    In 1995 he received the Albion College Distinguished Alumnus Award.
    In 2000 he was named in the Delta Tau Delta "Rainbow" as one of the "100
    Most Influential Delts of the 20th Century".
    He is recognized as the first person in the world to publish warnings of the
    Year 2000 problem -- first in 1971, and again in 1979.

  11. Smiley Face Creator Had A Similar Sentiment by mr_don't · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Harvey Ball, the creator of the smiley face image, (not the ascii [:-)] ) died not too long ago! He never trademarked his creation, however, but he did form a corporation to make smiley greeting cards and sell them with profits going to charity.

    However, some French Dude registered the trademark in a bunch of countries, and Ball considered going after him to keep the smiley free.

    This story reminds us why something like the GPL is so important: It ensures that information that is free stays free! Public Domain resources (even smileys!) can be snatched up and made into commodities!

  12. Even more absurd by Blackheart2 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Bemer's claim to escape sequences is even more absurd than BT's claim to hyperlinking. (Thankfully, he's using it to subvert BT's claim, and not pressing it independently.) The notion of "escapes" is so abstract and general that you could apply it to almost anything, even outside the realm of computers. For example, the idea of interrupting someone in the middle of a conversation, or the idea of changing lanes on the freeway, or any kind of multiplexing.

    These sorts of concepts which are being pressed at the patent office may be new to some people, but they are not new. In particular, this idea of escapes would have been completely obvious to anybody with a little mathematical training, in 1950 or 1900 or even 100BC.

    You could argue that the application of the idea is novel, but differentiating an abstract notion from its collection of concrete instances is a tricky thing, and properly the subject of philosophy and metamathematics, not the patent office's incompetent review staff.

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  13. Father of.... lots! :) by bahtama · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  14. better than ESC: vannevar bush by cwilper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Memex, Vannevar Bush, "As We May Think"... http://www.site.uottawa.ca/~dduchier/misc/vbush/aw mt.html

  15. Author is wildly confused... by lkaos · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This author absolutely does not know what he's talking about (or there's no merit to this man's claim - which I think is unlikely).

    He mentions then term 'escape sequence' and then somehow binds that to the escape key. The only relation between an 'escape sequence' and an escape key is that the begining on the traditional ansi escape sequence starts with the same code the escape key generates.

    An 'escape sequence' according to Webopedia is:

    A sequence of special characters that sends a command to a device or program. Typically, an escape sequence begins with an escape character, but this is not universally true.


    The fact is that the escape sequence in a traditional hyperlink is the information encoded after the filename (that's encoded with URL-encoding). It's all those neat %20 characters.

    Check out this quote:

    Escape's powers are huge but at its most basic level, it is a command that tells a computer to make a shift in its processing - allowing a user to move up, down or sideways through files, programs or networks. For example, every press of a phone key that allows a user to move through an automated information service is an invocation of Berner's escape principle.

    This is just absurd. Escape sequences special sequences encoded other data. A telephone navigation system is merely a command driven system. Nothing is escaped. By this logic, every time anyone tells anything to do anything they are invocating Berner's escape principle.

    I understand the guy's position, but Wired really blew it on this story. I'm suprised this made it past the technical editors...

    BTW: The article mentions the '/' character as being an escape sequence, but this is not true. If they are referring to the href of a URL, then since the protocol preceeds the '/', this would not be an example of an escape sequence. I think the real issue is the escape sequences preceeded by '%' signs.
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    1. Re:Author is wildly confused... by Random+Feature · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The more I read this the more I think "interrupt" and not "escape".

      An interrupt "tells a computer to make a shift in its processing". At the hardware level it's an indication to give the CPU to a handler to deal with whatever event just happened. At the software level, it tells the application to stop what it's doing and maybe process a new command.

      So are interrupts an invocation of the "escape principle" or is the "escape principle" a type of interrupt.

      Hmm.. wonder who owns the patent on interrupts?

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    2. Re:Author is wildly confused... by zurab · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Escape sequences special sequences encoded other data. A telephone navigation system is merely a command driven system. Nothing is escaped.

      Go back and read your own escape sequence definition that you got from Webopedia, as long as it is a "sequence of special characters" that send a command to a device or program it is an escape sequence. Then you have to get into the argument of "pressing 4 on the telephone dial is not a special character". What is a special character by the way? Would pressing #4 while interrupting phone message recording (to take you back to the main menu) be considered as a "sequence of special characters"? IOW, fighting over definitions does not make sense.

      What is rightly an issue, is that the BT patent on hyperlinks was not an invention when it was approved. And, one of the examples of similar practices is dated from way long ago, and you can call it escape sequence, or call it something else if you like.

      URL, then since the protocol preceeds the '/', this would not be an example of an escape sequence. I think the real issue is the escape sequences preceeded by '%' signs.

      All those can be escape sequences, including an HTML tag on a web page since it modifies the meaning of a regular text and, instead, sends a "command" to the browser ("device or program") to interpret the included text otherwise.

  16. This guy is amazing. by phoenix_orb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He put the slash in Slashdot (a slash being an interupt, i.e. http\

    He put the backslash in ASCII code (without it, where would DOS be now.... oh, I mean.. nevermind)

    He Texas Plates are "ASCII". That just rocks in itself.

    He helped invent COBOL. I learned to program on COBOL. I can't even imagine the fortitude trying to make an entire programming language. The old programmers had it really tough. Imagine wanting to program in a high level, so you have to design and implement a high level language yourself.

    The whole reason this got out is simply because he is fed up with all of these outrageous patents. Hyperlinking... bah, One click purchasing.

    He is one of us (albiet probably the oldest)

    Slashdot would do good for itself to do an interview with him, maybe even make him the honorary "grandpa" of slashdot.

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  17. The Role of Government by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It occurs to me that it is a sad thing that we have to rely on someone like Mr. Bemer to do the job of the government and protect the hapless consumer from the wrath of the corporation and its bevy of lawyers.

    There was a post on here which expressed optimism that Mr. Bemer seemed like a responsible enough person to grant the patent. What patent? Why should this be patented to begin with? The system should be rigged such that philanthrophic caretakers should not have to appear; what happens next time when BT decides to patent the power button?

    The system is failing the consumer/citizen here. I think deeper introspection is required of the legal system and the IP code.

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  18. Re:Old-Timers strike back by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Interesting
    /i>No I believe that mathematical constructs on how to transmit an image in whatever style faxes do it was invented in 1820. Obviously the fax machine itself wasn't possible in 1820.

    Actually, they invented the fax machine almost immediately after the telegraph. You wrote the original on some kind of conducting paper and wrapped it on a xmit drum. A needle on the sending machine sent the signal over the telegraph wire to a receiving drum with a pen.

    Obviously, though, they didn't use TIFF compression.

  19. Re:Old-Timers strike back by Random+Feature · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know what's kind of ironic? The fact that the first programmer - Ada Lovelace (okay, not programming as *we* know it but then neither are punch cards, IMO ) and the inventor of the most pervasive business language for decades - Grace Hopper - are women.

    And yet the industry is still largely male. Ironic.

    I just hope *I'm* still going at 82 like this guy.

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  20. Re:Old-Timers strike back by SpacePunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, the reason women were involved with early computers to the extend that they were because prior to the 'computer' as we know it, they were the ones doing calculations for trajectory tables and such and were refered to as 'computors' because THEY computed. They, at that time, were the experts at doing computations.

  21. He *should* get the patent by karji · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He should get the patent to spur controversy over the subject of patents and get them cancelled.

    And to succeed, he could try changing the minds of companies that like patents, by charging them a lot of money.

    Isn't it so?

  22. Re:Old-Timers strike back by Untimely+Ripp'd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Miscellaneous comments have referred to the women who did the ballistics programming on the ENIAC. One person noted that the work was left to women because it was considered "secretarial".

    In fact, the women were not ordinary individuals, but were chosen for their mathematical aptitude. History largely ignored them. I read once that there was a big project reunion PR event, and none of them were invited, at least not until someone noticed and made a fuss.

    The real question is whether the work was considered secretarial because women could do it, rather than the other way around. My own observation is that quality secretarial work requires an astonishing level of skill. Behind every 5-million-dollar-a-year executive is a 35K/year secretary who actually has most of the responsibility for doing the executive's work. I would argue that the general contempt for secretarial work derives from a general contempt for women and anything they do.

    Anybody who has ever been in academia knows that the departments would collapse quickly and entirely without the cadre of highly-skilled and effective departmental secretaries.

    Oh, here's a link to a pdf. It took more work than I had time for to locate a really complete history of the women on ENIAC. I did however find this slashlink to a glowing Jon Katz review of a book that claims to tell the whole ENIAC story.

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  23. Re:Old-Timers strike back by sphealey · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The real question is whether the work was considered secretarial because women could do it, rather than the other way around.
    Actually, most of those women had degrees in mathematics or physics - in some cases PhDs. Universities started admitting women (in very small numbers) to natural science classes as early as the 1880s. Certainly by the 1920s many women were graduating with degrees in mathematics. But very few of them were able to find employement in their fields of study, except as teachers - and mostly as elementary school teachers at that.

    When WWII hit many of those women jumped into engineering and science positions to fill in for the missing men and increased demand.

    After the war, most of them were sent back to the kitchen, as it were, in favor of men. However, since computing was so new there weren't men to "come back", and many women worked in the field from 1940-1960. For some reason however they were not replaced by the generation of young women who went to school during those years, so from 1960 - 1980 or so the percentage of women in computing fell drastically.

    sPh