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Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.1.3

nbvb submitted what I'm pleased to say is our first apple.slashdot.org story. We'll be posting more news for our sizable Apple population there in the future. Anyway, He says "Apple today released Mac OS X 10.1.3. Be sure to click your "Software Update" and "Install" buttons! (Hey, if we can get an announcement every time a new point rev of a development kernel hits the FTP sites, can't we hear about Mac OS X?)" As usual, user reports of the new release have been both positive and negative.

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  1. Why? by 2starr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now, I'm a Mac user and do the rounds off all the Mac info and rumors sites each day as well as thoroughly reading evey article on /. having to do with Apple, so don't get me wrong. But, I guess I'm wondering why Apple stuff is being broken out? What's the reasoning? Will we have a windows.slashdot.org soon? Isn't this just going to make it possible to hide possibly interesting articles from people on the main page that don't visit apple.slashdot?

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  2. Re:Apple.slashdot.org??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What's next a Micro$oft.Slashdot.org???

    Oh god, please, yes. Let me block any and all MS stories. The comments are simply too inane to read. Much like this one, come to think of it...

  3. Never Gonna Happen by Cheshire+Cat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As has been rehashed numerous times in the past, Apple will never release a version of OSX for the Intel platform. Basically, Apple makes almost all of its money from hardware sales. Obviously if they sold OSX for x86 systems, thats a sizeable chunk of cash that they'd lose.


    You may remember when Apple permitted clones that Apple almost went under. This was because the clones were causing Apple's finances to hemorage like a hemophilliac.


    I agree it would be nice to have OSX for my PC. I'd dump Windows in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, doing this would also mean the end of Apple, so its nothing but wishful thinking.

    *sigh*

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    1. Re:Never Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      "As has been rehashed numerous times in the past, Apple will never release a version of OSX for the Intel platform. Basically, Apple makes almost all of its money from hardware sales. Obviously if they sold OSX for x86 systems, thats a sizeable chunk of cash that they'd lose."


      Yeah, that would be like a mainframe company like, say, IBM deciding to make small computers that would fit on a person's desk, removing almost all of the need for mainframes. Clearly this is a stupid idea and would never happen :)

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  4. Wow! by thedbp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot got Aquified!! i hope this isn't some sort of plot to keep us apple-ites separated from you "real" computer enthusiasts ;) J/K, I have noticed a lot more coverage of Apple stuff since OS X started gaining steam in the tech community, and I really appreciate it. Also i think its funny that you guys remade the UI elements in aqua fashion.

    Mac users may have to fight for respect and fend off the "condolences" of our Windows counterparts a lot of the time, but its nice to know that we have Slashdot on our side, or at least not berating us. Thanks for the recognition guys!!!

    Oh, and 10.1.3 RULES. easy flawless upgrade. System keeps getting snappier and more impressive. I'm dying to see 10.2: The Return of Sping-Loaded Folders! Excuse me while i trip out to my killer iTunes visuals on my 27" television :)

    1. Re:Wow! by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You may think that, but also look at such screenshots as the one below:

      http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/yo ur nick_fluxbox.jpg

      BlackBox (and by extension, FluxBox) rocks. (that's just fun to say =) but GNU/Linux and X apps in general lack a cohesive UI. In the aforementioned screen shot, I count no fewer than four window styles. That means no less than four separate ways of intereacting with the machine. That's the *windowing* level, for chrissakes. Get on down to the widgets, that's another four interfaces to get used to, and all of them can get mixed and matched.

      On OS X, you have three sets of interface elements, but all of them are *very* similar. (Aqua for one, Classic for another, and the "Pro app" brushed metal of all the Apple media apps) it's much more cohesive - and the lessons learned from one UI apply almost directly to the others.

      Now, one of the keys to OS X is simplicity. Yes, it's impossible to do some things in the stock GUI. But, the things you can do are very easy. Not only that, but the features that are missing from the GUI are almost certainly available in the Terminal.

      Furthermore...many Mac users are of the Oooh! Shiny! approach...but just try denying that Luna doesn't attemt to pander to that taste. Not to mention the downright crappy-looking transparent terminals things liek eterm provide in X...

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  5. Re:Uhh.. by johnlenin1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe apple.slashdot.org is just an excuse to create Aquafied Slashdot graphics?

  6. what is this? separationistic feelings? by sofar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah geez people:

    apple.slashdot.org
    windows.slashdot.COM
    micros oft.slashdot.NET
    freebsd.slashdot.edu

    what's the point in separating ourselves from the rest in what /. is all about? It's a multiculture (well, geek-culture of course) discussion and news forum. Maybe it has it's own mind, but at least every opinion is hosted.

    First poll suggestion:

    cease apple.slashdot.org?

    O Yes, please post all mac news on the real /.
    O Maybe, I dunno
    O No, I don't care about the rest, Apple is my leader
    O what's a poll?

  7. apple.slashdot.org? by Triv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Question: What does this do to Macslash? I've always looked to them for info first (although the conversations were admittedly dead and moderation points were nonexistant) and they're apparently in a bit of a financial scrape. Personally, I'd rather an active discussion here than dead air there, but I'm still curious. Triv

  8. Re:Pre-nup? by toupsie · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What? Dont you know that BSD is dying? I read all about it here on Slashdot.

    Yea, I read that all the time. But then again, Apple has been dying since they released the first Mac back in 1984. Every year, I hear "Apple can no longer survive with a 5% market share". They fail to understand that Apple has $4 billion cash in the bank.

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  9. Re:Sigh by thedbp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never ceases to amaze me how much people dismiss Apple out-of-hand simply because its not a free OS.

    I love Linux and what it represents, but it is NOT a viable alternative for people who just want a computer to WORK out of the box when they bring it home.

    It is NOT a viable alternative for graphics professionals, video professionals, and although can be suited for use as a desktop OS in a corporate "office" type environment, it lacks the easy-to-install-and-configure aspect that is holding it back from displacing Windows entirely in corporate America (who could save billions every year by switching to Linux if they were smart).

    Apple, to be fair, is more pricey. But as has been noted MANY times, the total cost of ownership over time is dramatically lower. Linux and Apple should co-exist peacefully. If I want a box for internet surfing and mail checking and light office work and didn't want to spend much $, you're damn right I'd build a cheap linux box. But if I want a computer I can use for EVERYTHING, that works as advertised, with minimal effort in maintenance, where everything i do and need and use on a daily basis is provided immediately upon opening the box and plugging it in, I'll take a Mac, thank you.

    Oh, and as a side note, i have never in over 2 years recieved a single bit of spam at my Mac.Com email address. Wanna know why? They don't sell out their customers.

    And don't give me the upgradability thing..... I just took my B&W G3 350 purchased almost 3 years ago and once again made it a screamer with 1GB of RAM, a new G4 500 proc., an 80GB drive, and a new Radeon 7000. Plus a nice FireWire 16x10x40. It can still crush a P4 1GHz easy. yes, I know they're up to 2.2 Ghz, but Apple's got dual 1GHz ... heh.

    check out:
    http://www.apple.com/myths
    http://www.apple .com/easier

  10. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by revans · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this different from the Apple topic?
    http://slashdot.org/search.pl?topic=107

  11. Re:Uhh.. by Svencer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    According to your link it actually does "beg the question," even if it does not conform to its original use in the 16th century.

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    it is not yet in most dictionaries.
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  12. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by MaxQuordlepleen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    no focus follows mouse?

    glad I didn't go out and buy a mac then, that would have infuriated me...

  13. Karma Whoring For Apple? by namespan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmmmm. I'm wondering if, with the advent of apple.slashdot.org, I'll be able to come here, make pro-apple comments, and more easily get Karma.

    Not that I don't have better things to do with my time... and most Apple fans I know really aren't drooling idiots.... but one has to wonder if segmenting the audience would lead to this kind of change in moderation.... kindof like talk radio shows don't tend to attract people whose views diverge wildly....

    Just a thought...

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  14. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    apple.slashdot.org has been around for over a year. It is called MacSlash and it is run by actual Mac users.

  15. Re:Nice by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ten bucks says Apple sends them a "cease-and-desist" letter in the next 24 hours.

  16. It's Cool... by WiseWeasel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It provides an alternative to other Mac sites with a discussion-based theme. Macslash and the other / sites are cool, but it's a pain to have accounts at all those sites, whereas here, we can just use our /. accounts and post with the convenience of the /. cookie in your Browser's cookies. It makes it convenient for all these Mac users to join the discussion and comment on different stories. Due to this, I'm sure we will get rich discussions here, not available on other Mac sites, due to the volume of /. users. If the main stories keep getting posted to the main /. page, and if they get some additional Mac heads to post interesting Mac-related articles to this section exclusively, this could be a good alternative to other Mac news sites. I'm all for it, as long as they don't stop posting important Apple stories to the main page.

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  17. MacSlash by kriebz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happened to MacSlash.org
    If thsi si the same thing, why the "new" site?
    If it isn't, why don't you leave this to them?

  18. That doesn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Huh? Why is that? Apple is not worried about Slashdot using Aqua-ish themes, they are worried about other _desktops_ using Aqua-ish themes. Nobody ever said "Well, I like OS X, but I think I'm gonna switch to Slashdot..."

  19. The Update... by nycdewd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    10.1.3 works flawlessly for my four Macs. All OS X updates have worked quite well for me, since 10.1... You say you used OS X before 10.1? You have my sympathy.

    wanna tip? well, you're gonna get one though you may not particularly like it. come to think, you are NOT gonna like it. here's what i did to insure a glitch-free OS X experience: Reinitialize your HD using the "Zero all Data" option in Drive Setup, yes, Drive Setup... use the latest version of it that you have on a Mac OS installer CD. Now, partition the HD into two partitions. You will have to decide what sizes you want your partitions to be. I'd suggest making the OS X partition the largest of the two. Install OS X on the first (largest) partition, install Mac OS 9.2.2 on the other partition. Boot up to your OS X partition and download SwapCop. Use it to make your swapfile partition reside on the second partition (the partition that has OS 9.2.2 on it).

    Bingo, you're set. Of course, this procedure assumes that 1) your Mac is brand-new, just out of the box it came in, or 2) you have an easy way to backup your existing data and don't mind doing it (but of course you backup your data frequently, right? right!?!?), or 3) you have several HD's in your tower, one of which you just installed for OS X, and 4) you want to do things right.

    I have done this procedure to each and every Mac I provide support for, done it to those Macs first thing RIGHT out of the box. It saves headaches down the road. Been doing it for years. You should too. Stop whining. Thanks.

    btw, see my email addy? don't bother flaming me. use that energy elsewhere. slam M$ or something, there's a good lad.

    1. Re:The Update... by Spencerian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've no problems with any of the updates used since the last Final Candidate to the present, but I have an idea why some users may have problems.

      STOP treating Mac OS X like Mac OS 9.

      In Mac OS 9 you have broad discretion in moving things around--the Applications folder, default locations of items, even renaming the System Folder (Apple doesn't recommend this, and as a tech, I don't either).

      Mac OS X is UNIX. Ask any experienced Linux user here what happens when you start treating your OS like a designers showhouse. The updates expect that the Apple-supplied applications and system files are precisely where the installer expects them. This is particularly hard on old hands of OS 9 who love to change things, but know little of UNIX.

      Unless you really like repairing things that Apple placed somewhere for a reason:

      --DON'T move any Apple-supplied apps from their locations. Your installer updates may balk.
      --DON'T use a lot of hacks, particularly ones that screw with the forbidden System folder of OS X (unlike the OS 9 System Folder, this is Apple's area--unless you really know what you are doing, stay out. The things you usually find in an OS 9 Sys Folder are found in your Home folder, in the Library folder.)
      --DON'T expect super performance on small hard drives with slower systems or low RAM. No matter what G3 or G4 you have, the more drive space and RAM you have, the better. OS X has a swap file, so some users may find much better performance by installing OS X and OS 9 on separate partitions.
      --DON'T give up on OS X. Good lord! It's not even ONE YEAR OLD. Linux had a much rougher childhood, but it has become of formidable OS as it grew up. OS X ia already doing great.

      Think of what this kid will do as a toddler.

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  20. Re:simple explanation by reed007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sure you've heard it before, but I'll say it again:

    Try dealing with professors, other older folk, with a two-button mouse. Every single time you tell them to click they ask "left button or right button"! Sometimes you just want to scream "LEFT BUTTON!! ALWAYS THE STUPID LEFT BUTTON!! FORGET THE RIGHT ONE IS EVEN THERE!!!" and then 5 minutes later, just when you think they understand, they ask the same question...

    So thank goodness Apple ships with default one button mice. And having a special BTO option for a two-button trackpad would be difficult for Apple to pull off...

    MY SUGGESTION: A seemingly one-button trackpad, appears to have 1 button and by default functions like one button. But, for the "advanced users", you can turn it into a two-button mouse through a software config. ie, clicking on the left side left clicks, on the right side right clicks. Try it on your trackpad today -- it's not hard, especially if Apple weighted where the "presses" are so it tended to do left clicks unless you absolutely were on the right side. If pulled off correctly, it could be a very nice solution...

  21. Re:Unix Users Cannot Use Apple's ADB Keyboards by anarkhos · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think you mean X11 users |-p

    There is obviously a work-around or A/UX would have never worked.

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  22. Where are the rest of the printers? by mrFur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's nice to see things being cleaned up but...

    I manage a number of servers with various flavours of Ultrix to Compaq Tru64Unix (ehhh I miss DEC). Every one of them can print to just about anything. How about some 'generic' printers?

    Yes, I'm bitter and cheap. My Epson 600 works perfectly, why fork out for a new printer!

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