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Email (and Filters) for all Australian schools

Tom Davies writes: "Every student and teacher in the state of New South Wales will have an email address and web access by March. And porn filtering to go with it, according to this article in the Sydney Morning Herald."

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  1. Show me the... by Phibz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when was it a right to receive what ever you want on a freely provided information channel. For example when you walk in to your public library you don't expect to go to the magazine section and pick up a copy of the lastest Swank. Prehaps i'm oversimplifing the matter, but I'm of the opinion that if you don't like it and its free go elsewhere.

    T

    1. Re:Show me the... by ender81b · · Score: 5, Informative

      Amen on that. I work in a university library and people believe that it is their god-given right to look at all the goatse.cx they can fit on their screens.

      Of course, telling them that the computers where bought with student funds and not gov't funds, meaning we can censor them, usually gets an annoyed response. Just like what is happening with this topic.

      People like this boggle my mind. I am a member of the ACLU allright? It's not like I don't believe in free speech and all the men's gaping a**holes you can see, but not in a student-funded library intended for academic use only OR in schools where kids should be learning - not masturbating to the latest photoshopped Britney Spears pr0n.

      People should be HAPPY that they decided to blacklist the stuff and not simply filter it (shudder, filtering software is horrid, horrid stuff) which would honestly hurt kids freedom of speach. Really, this isn't very much of an issue. You are in school to learn, not to loook at all the porn you can handle.

    2. Re:Show me the... by ender81b · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe I should've explained the policy better.

      Information on condoms, or anything related to sex-education is OK, even doing research for a class on porn is fine (note from instructor is required). What isn't OK is defined here:
      Personal use of any University information system to access, download, print, store, forward, transmit or distribute obscene material.

      Note the words Personal and the word obscene (as defined by the Supreme Court), too lazy to look up the link.

      There are absolutely no filtering programs in effect on any of the computers on campus. This is left entirely in the judgement of the consultants maning the labs, i.e. me. Basically I see some beasty porn, some C**shots, etc and I kick them out of the library. Sounds harsh from a ACLU member doesn't it? Well you catch people masturbating to porn (never women I might add *Sigh) when you are working and then see just how happy you are to see it.

      Policy isn't bad and is really quite reasonable. Just don't look at porn to get off and you don't violate the policy.

  2. Re:NSW =/= Australia by zedman · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's probably also worth pointing out that
    Queensland has had a related facility for
    blocking unwanted sites for some time, although
    it can be micromanaged at the school administrator
    level if desired. From experience, one popular use
    is simply to stop massive haemorrhaging of $$ due
    to downloading from popular software archives(!)

    Ian

  3. Geez, they're a strange mob up north. by xQx · · Score: 3, Informative

    As systems administrator of Bendigo Senior Secondary College, (Victoria, Australia) [Just below NSW, only better (jk)], I'd like to say all students have unfiltered net access, and have had such for >6 years now; and we have no intentions to start censoring what our students are able to see.

    [For the record, systems are in place to track usage, and people are punished for looking up porn n stuff... but there's no censorship or filtering.]

    ... It's also very nice to see NSW giving students free email addresses... we've only done that for 2 years.

    I wonder how much the NSW gov't is charging schools for this honor? Especially since Telstra (the beast of telco in au) has [basically] applied they're patented '3gb cap' to schools too.

  4. filtering.. by wilbrod · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey .. could they filter my internet connection too so I don't get anymore porn popup ads?

    wil
    "Realize your dreams NOW, life can be short"

  5. Property rights. It's the schools server. by Bob_Robertson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the schools server, it's their email address, if they want to filter go right ahead.

    Just like complaining about censorship in China, look at the property ownership. Since all "utilities" in China are owned by the government, they get to filter all they want.

    The abuse is if you are not allowed to choose an alternative. If the school attempted to censor what the kids do/see when not on the schools dime, for instance.

    ...or the fact that private ISP service is "illegal" in China.

    Bob-

    --
    The Ludwig von Mises Institute. The reasoning individuals economics
  6. EFA - more info on Net censorship in Australia by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 3, Informative
    For more information regarding Internet censorship in Australia, see the Electronic Frontiers Australia page on Campaigns.

    Note that Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) is not the same as, or even associated with, the US's very own well-known Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)

    And, sigh, my sig is so poignant these days :-(

    Sig: What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org)

  7. Right to Censor? by cybermage · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If the government provides you with free access, does that give them the right to censor it? I couldn't begin to speak to the Australian constitutionality of this, but I've always wondered about the American constitutionality of similar schemes.

    I would think that requiring schools to censor content in order to receive funding pretty clearly infringes upon the first amendment rights of the site operators.

    I have seen it argued that if the service is provided "free," you have no right to complain. However, the service is not free. Citizens and corporations pay taxes to the government and expect services in return. If the government provides one of those services at no charge, that doesn't make it free.

    The real question, I think, is why these schemes aren't being challenged. I suspect the answer lies in one or more of the following:
    • Bandwidth cost money and school kids aren't going to pull out their credit card.
    • Free speech advocates are picking their battles. It's hard to argue that kids should have access to porn.
    • Site operators know that filtering doesn't work anyway.
  8. Its something at least... by melrose · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I finished high school in NSW, we had email addresses - but they all ended in hotmail.com We were actually graded on our ability to obtain a new hotmail account using an internet browser...

  9. A little perspective by danamania · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I've worked at the NSW Department of Education, and it's well-known that no, we cannot block every site out there that may be 'unsuitable' for whatever definition you want to put on that word, but it's not the only reason to go blocking. For starters the NSW state school system is a massive network - over 2200 schools across a state the size of texas and a half - network connections vary from satellite, isdn, dialup, adsl - all depending on what's available.

    It's not a tiny network, and it's all publicly funded - wherever there can be a cent saved it will be, and stopping a few million children from all jumping online to check out the newest site-of-the-week from a school connection is one priority. The political motivations are obvious - no government is going to want to hear of children coming home to parents talking about the crap that can be found online - it is a school environment and isn't designed to accomodate checking out the newest recipes from manbeef.com. This doesn't mean everything "icky" is banned - having been a part of this banning process, it's rather moderate in practice.

    Don't let the debate make you imagine this is the only method the department is focusing on to keep proper-use of school resources. More than anything else, schools have been urged to put in place their own systems for tracking the net use in their schools, and supervising their classes/resources properly.

  10. NSW just playing 'catch up'... by Xenex · · Score: 4, Informative

    I completed high school just over a year ago in Victoria, the other major Australian state.

    This is nothing new in Victoria. New South Wales is just catching up.

    The IT teacher used to gloat about being "god" and how she could (and did) read any e-mail, and about the filters setup so anything with swearing would be blocked and redirected to her. High school age kids throw words like "shit" and "fuck" around like nothing, so this was a little unfair, especially considering it wasn't documented until a year later.

    The web access was worse. They had this state-wide thing called EduCache. It was just a great big filter, allowing only officially checked websites in. It was at the school's discression to activate it; you can guess our school had it on. (I also won't mention how this made the web virtually useless for most students, and I spent half a year teaching people how to change their proxy settings to bypass it. But I digress.)

    Students could submit sites to this cache. I requested many tech sites, from here at Slashdot, to Be Inc, to Enlightenment, just to name the ones I remember. I also tried to add The Sync, just for Geeks in Space. It was rejected. Probably something to do with JenniCam...

    Look, these schools don't care about privacy. Eventually, they made students sign sheets saying they wouldn't do bad things. Bad things like look up porn or submit anything anonymously to the net. By this stage, I had 12 months left at the school, and refused to sign. Didn't use a school computer for a year (well, not with my own account at least...)

    Oh, and before you think I was some rebel kid hacking the school network; I wasn't. I was one of 3 students that sat in on the IT committee meetings. They were all just too busy bickering about their different areas of education to do anything constructive.

    Sorry, ranting. Probably bad grammar from the rush. I just don't seen this as a surprise.

    (I'll leave the 'My IT teacher called a mouse a GUI' and the I got in trouble for opening a command prompt in NT, because I was "accessing DOS"' rants for another day.)

  11. porn filtering by burtonator · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cool... "porn filtering"...

    This means that you will filter out all the boring news and weather reports and deliver me raw porn!... right?

    :)