Slashdot Mirror


California Considering Recycling Fees on PCs

Jeff writes: "It looks like two US senators are introducing bills that would impose recycling fees on new computer systems sold. These bills look to cover every high-tech product a consumer might buy, including computer and video monitors, desktop and notebook PCs, and handheld gadgets."

9 of 312 comments (clear)

  1. Donations and Recycling Programs by Styros · · Score: 5, Informative

    PEP National Directory of Computer Recycling Programs

    You can go there to see what options you have on recycling computer parts in your area.

  2. We already got these taxes in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live in Belgium and we got a tax on every electronic item sold, this is called the Recupel Tax, this tax is used for recycling. The rate is different on each category of items, for example a mobile phone is about 0.5 but a computer is around 10. I personaly think this is a good idea.

  3. Re:lucky for me.. by BradleyUffner · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Charities, schools, and third world countries would love to receive computers"
    Before the current job I have now I used to work for a school district. I can tell you that we absolutely hated receiving donated computers from people. We ended up with rooms fill of 8088s and 386 with no hard drives. 99% of all computers we received that way were totally worthless, and just given to the school so that the owner could receive a tax break. This was last year too, I believe the best computer we got the whole year was a 233mhz Pentium. We spent more time, and money trying to get old donated computers working again, or just trying to find SOME use for them. Public Schools (at least where I'm at) are not allowed to just give the computers away to students who need them. They must be used by the school, or sold at auction. We couldn't even just throw them out because of the state's insane school inventory tracking system.
  4. They're not U.S. Senators by guttentag · · Score: 3, Informative
    It looks like two US senators are introducing bills that would impose recycling fees on new computer systems sold.
    The two senators, Byron Sher and Gloria Romero, are California State Senators, not U.S. Senators. Huge difference.

    That's OK; most Californians I know can't name the two U.S. Senators they elected (Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein)

  5. Re:Reminds me of here.. (the Netherlands) by skilef · · Score: 2, Informative

    In The Netherlands, the removal fee first applied for cars starting from january 1st 1995; with the money they have created a very efficient recycling system, about 90% of a car is being recycled. This was considered as a big success and since january 1st 1999, dutch citizens have to pay the removal fee for consumer electronics as well. The system is a little bit different, because in this case, the producer/importer has to take care of the recycling theirselves: all used goods will be returned to them through communal services and stores. So it's not like they pay a fee and get rid of the recycling problem of their products. You're right when you say they will think twice about how recyclable their products will be. On the other hand, it enables the problems discussed here previously. Producers can say they have a brand new recycling facility in Thailand, while it's just a field of grass intended to research the biodegradability of fridges! Once again, I think it's our own responsibility to reduce the size of the impact our junk has on the environment! That can be better obtained through a government-based recycling project funded through the removal fees, like the car-system in The Netherlands. Just let the producers pay, give the authorities responsibility.

    --

    You do not exist. Go away.
  6. U.S. exporting e-trash anyways.... by 5arah · · Score: 2, Informative

    I find it highly ironic that they're going to charge you to "recycle" your computer...which could possibly mean sending it to Asia to be taken apart, selling some of the parts and thrown onto riverbanks. What's even funnier is that this report about e-trash was posted on CNN yesterday.

    Doing a search on Google for "recycling computers" takes a person to a lot of "we'll take your old computer and shuffle it off to little kids at 4-H for reuse". Nothing about actual recycling in the sense of "What happens when the computer can no longer be used and needs to be thrown away?" I shudder to think about the cathode tubes exploding in garbage dumps.

  7. Re:Why oh why can't they do things right. by caesar-auf-nihil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its not quite as difficult as you think to recycle electronic equipment, although there are some difficulties.
    In Europe, the law around electronic equipment works as follows. The company that produces the equipment is responsible for its care, use, and disposal before the sale and AFTER the consumer is done with it. While the consumer owns it, its their responsiblity. But when the consumer is done with it, it goes back to the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM). The OEM then disassembles the equipment, and recycles what it can. If the plastic can be reground and reprocessed, that is done. Glass (where possible) is melted down, all metal components are melted down as well (or reused for the same model or other model electronic equipment. Screws, bolts and brackets for example). Difficult items to recycle include circuit boards (epoxy plastic, metal (some of it toxic), silicon and semiconductors), cathode ray tubes, and sometimes the plastic.

    What the European OEMs try to do is reuse what they can and incenerate the rest. If the plastic cannot be reused (off color, decomposed), they'll just burn it up and recycle the energy gained from combustion. However, materials that don't burn (semiconductors, silicon, etc.) are left as slag in the incenerator, and also are concentrated in toxic elements which can leach into ground water. How to deal with this waste is currently a big sticking point for the recyling of electronics waste. There are some refining techniques that one can use to separate out the elements in this inorganic "slag", but, they're quite expensive, and, there currently is no desire/regulations in place to reuse this slag material. Electronic circuit board OEMs and chip OEMs don't want to use material from this slag for fear of contamination may ruin finely tuned electronic properties, which are often affected by minute impurities. Part of the reuse taxes that EU citizens pay goes towards research to solve this issue, and set up an infrastructure to get the whole recyling system to work.

    There are systems in place to get this to work, so you just have to give them time to catch up and get fully implimented. It took 10+ years to get PET and HDPE (#1 and #2 plastic) to the level where it was widely implimented and cost effective. Electronics recycling has probably only been going on for 3 years now, so give it time.

    --
    -When going for broke, go for Ithaca!
  8. Re:Recycling Fees by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Informative
    You can't go on forever throwing things in landfill, your country will fill up.

    I'm sure there is an obvious answer for this, but how can a country fill up due to landfills? The law of conservation says you have to be getting it from somewhere, this stuff isn't just being made out of nothing. So why not put it back where it came from originally?

    In a similar vein, I read something once to the effect that all the trash the United States would produce in 300 years would fit in a landfill measuring 30 miles per side and 30 feet deep. We're not exactly in danger of running out of space.

    --
    20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  9. Here's the solution by MemeRot · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's worked in Germany. Don't impose the fee on the consumer. Impose the fee on the manufacturer. In Germany they started charging toy manufacturers for packaging on toys. Instantly the toy manufacturers just started putting the Barbies on the shelf, without the giant unnecessary box. Here California could charge the monitor manufacturers money for every one of their products that ends up in the municipal waste stream, and use that money to recycle the product. Charge a fee that's much higher than the cost of just recycling it themselves, and they create a financial incentive for the company to set up its own recycling program. The company may even give the consumers back a small 'deposit' fee to create an incentive for the customers to return the monitors, computers, whatever.

    Our industrial economy needs to become a closed cycle and this is the first step. Now that we know how to build monitors and computers, we need to figure out how to build them so that they're easy to take apart and modular enough that old components can just be re-used. Re-using the gallium and mercury and other raw materials is a first step, but really a lot of components can just be re-used. Do you really need a new component that's ten percent smaller? Or can you just use the old one? Now if you're talking 90% smaller then yes you may need the new component. But for many needs old parts can be recycled.