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Disney Blames Apple For Music Piracy

Vishniac writes "It looks like Disney CEO Michael Eisner is accusing Apple in part for fostering music piracy, particularly with its 'Rip, Mix, Burn' campaign. Testifying before the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee, Eisner said that the ad suggests to people that 'they can create theft if they buy this computer.' Apple? iMac? Impossible."

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  1. I wondered when by snkline · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wondered when they would get around to going after Apple. *sigh* granted in order to RIP the music you sort of need to have bought the CD, but of course fair use rights can just be damned.

  2. Pixar by nakhla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One has to wonder what effect this may have on Disney's relationship with Pixar. After all, Steve Jobs is the CEO of both. I've always hoped that Disney would purchase Pixar. They do great work and would be a valuable addition to Disney. Buy them, and then leave them alone. Don't interfere in that division.

    But, with Eisner making these comments could the already difficult relationship between Disney and Pixar become even more strained?

    1. Re:Pixar by dschuetz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've always hoped that Disney would purchase Pixar.

      Funny, I've always hoped that Pixar would get big enough that they could buy Disney, or at least Disney's feature animation division. Maybe then we'd start seeing decent Disney movies again.

    2. Re:Pixar by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On can wonder how long it will be until Steve will announce that the next Pixar movie won't be released by Disney. Eisner has way more to lose by this stupid move than he has to gain. Most Pixar movies gross over $100 million at the box office. Apple users will have to pirate a hell of a lot of stuff to match the loss to Disney if the next Pixar movie goes to another studio.

      If this continues I guess I'll have to boycott Disney someday. Funny, the last purchase I made from Disney was the Tron DVD and if I remember right it was all about giving the users more power. I guess Eisner hasn't seen it.

  3. Create Theft? by jaavaaguru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they can create theft if they buy this computer

    Theft is an act. It is not something that is created. People can create pirate copies of music with this computer, but they can do that with most modern computers. Why pick on Apple? Why not pick on Redhat for shipping GRip and and MP3 encoder with their distro?

  4. The problem with corporate media by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The biggest problem with Disney's worldview -- and by association the worldview of the RIAA, MPAA, Vivendi, et al -- is that they assume no private person can create anything. All art comes from the generous people at Disney. There are no independent aritsts.

    People like Macs in part because they can rip, mix, and burn their purchased CD collection, or tote it around on their iPods. They also like Macs because they come with the tools necessary to put your own videos on DVD and send them to your pals. The latter is a power Disney does not want you to have. All video entertainment must come from the corporate empire. None of it must come from regular people.

    1. Re:The problem with corporate media by epukinsk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The latter is a power Disney does not want you to have.

      This is a point that should be emphasized. My friends and I have made a hobby of making short (3-15min) films with my Canon PowerShot S110. It takes 20 second video clips at 320x240, which I can string together into some pretty funny shorts with music overlayed and sound effects and titles here and there. It's downright amateurish, but the people I show these films too (especially the ones who know me and my friends) lough out loud for ten minutes. And they got to keep the $8.75 they pay for a feature film.

      OK, so a ten minute amateur short isn't exactly FOTR. But the point is film is becoming a very accessible medium when people can make movies with a $300 camera that they bought for still pictures.

      -Erik

    2. Re:The problem with corporate media by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The biggest problem with Disney's worldview -- and by association the worldview of the RIAA, MPAA, Vivendi, et al -- is that they assume no private person can create anything. All art comes from the generous people at Disney. There are no independent aritsts.

      Correction, Disney knows full well that art comes from independent artists... they've made a fortune stealing ideas from idependant artists. See this slashdot article about Disney ripping off "Atlantis" from "Nadia" and this bit about Lion King ripping off Kimba. Let's not forget the other Disney "orginals": Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Pinnochio, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Robin Hood, Aladdin, etc... Disney's whole business model is based off of "Rip, Mix, Burn". Hell, at least Apple pays for other people's technology (e.g. Xerox) before they take credit for it.

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  5. Not piracy by kill-hup · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Apple's just advocating fair use. Ripping your CDs and burining custom collections is not "bad" - it's the people who take things a step further and distribute that music. If a person wants to load the tracks onto a custom CD or an MP3 player, what's wrong with that?

    The arguments the "industry" keeps posing are like blaming the people who make ballpoint pens for ransom notes....

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  6. And diseny does not? by iotaborg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I find it funny that Disney has the nerve to accuse Apple of piracy. They even clearly state "don't steal music" in their Rip Mix and Burn campaign.

    Disney is really a hypocrite, I mean it has been proven that a lot of their movies have been ripped off of others, such as Lion King from Kimba the White Lion and Atlantis from Nadia. Where has Apple gone wrong?

    Maybe it is because of the Disney and Pixar issue (where Pixar is bound by Disney and they really want to get out of the contract) and Disney is really aiming at Steve Jobs... Thats probably completely wrong but is a thought.

  7. Rip, Mix, Burn by sean23007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope some of the Congressmen realize the difference between "Rip, Mix, Burn" and "Download, Burn." When Apple advertises that their computers can do this, they are in no way advocating stealing anything from the music industry (obviously). When you "rip," you take the music off of a CD that you purchased, when you "mix," you remove the crappy songs from the album that were only included so you don't feel ripped off because you bought a CD with only 2 or 3 good songs on it, or you put the best songs from several albums that you purchased onto one CD, effectively discarding the excess crap that the good ol' music industry always surrounds the good stuff with. And I think that even the elected know what "burn" means.

    "Rip, Mix, Burn" does not in any way advocate taking things away from the music industry, in fact it advocates getting rid of the things you paid for but deem worthless.

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  8. In other news: by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ford is accusing Sears of encouraging theft by their promotion of "Crafstman" brand crowbars, thereby distressing Ford's customers. When asked about the actual legitimate uses for crowbars, a Ford spokesman responded: "What's the first thing that comes into your mind when you hear the word 'Crowbar'? I bet it's smashing things. Maybe smashing windshields. We just want to help keep crowbar wielding thugs off of our streets."

  9. Whoah! by Microsift · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Love the new Apple icon for /.

    Actually, he blames tech in general, that some tech companies are making money by selling devices that enable piracy of OPIP (other people's Intellectual Property).

    Disney likes to have things both ways, go to a store and pick up a Disney branded toy, if the toy plays music, it will play either Disney-owned tunes, or public-domain music. Disney doesn't want their stuff going into public domain because they would have to actually create something new!

    Of course, Disney creates new stuff all of the time, often drawing from public domain sources(Grimm's Fairy Tales, Hans Christian Andersen, Arabian Nights). So when Eisner say he wants to hold the rights to Mickey, Donald, Goofy in perpituity, it is with the knowledge that public domain works have fuelled his company's growth for the last decade(Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Alladin).

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  10. Rip = Own by Performer+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is someone supposed to "Rip" if they don't "Own" first? Someone needs to put these companies in their place and protect us from their unbridled greed. We have fair use rights, if we have paid for the music then we are legally allowed to make copies for our own enjoyment. You cannot "Rip" unless you have already purchased the product. Apples rip, mix, burn ads do not encourage theft, they encourage fair use. It is Disney who is encouraging theft by trying to persuade congress to restrict our freedoms for their unfair desire to charge us all multiple times for the same product. Now THAT would be theft.

  11. Re:Well yeah it does by zzyzx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem comes in step 0 and step 4.

    Step 0: Borrow cd from a friend

    Step 4: Burn 100 copies and give them to your other friends.

    The ad is perfectly legal, but it did have the effect of focusing the music industry's attention on Apple. Hmmmm maybe they'll focus so hard on Apple that they'll forget about my Neo MP3 Player.

  12. Re:Apple has been quite responsible by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
    > Incidentally Jobs has already issued a response [macworld.com] that is quite interesting.

    I see a new Apple ad campaig in the making:

    Jobs to Eisner - "Bite. My. Ass."

    Actually, what I'd really like to see is Jobs going full-tilt and taking his case public.

    How about a picture of Hollings, Eisner, and Valenti, with scrolling text describing what the SSSCA would do to the computer industry. ("In 2002, Congress held hearings on the SSSCA...") with appropriate soundbites on how "they can create theft if they buy this computer" and other Hollywood claptrap droning on in the background, presented on a giant screen, with throngs of dullards staring blankly at the screen, until someone comes in and throws an iPod through the screen, shattering the telestreen (and the images of the Hollywood Cartel spokesdrones) into billions of fragments.

    "Rip. Mix. Burn. The reason why 2004 still won't be like 1984"

  13. Re:*RIP*, Mix , Burn by GSloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your car is the first step in creating DRUNK DRIVERS!

    Your lighter is the first step in creating ARSONISTS!

    Your Axe is the first step in creating AXE MURDERERS!

    Your Penis is the first step in creating RAPISTS _AND_ PEDOPHILES!

    Lather, rinse repeat.

    If we eliminated all "first step" items, you should just ask Herr Ashcroft to lock up the whole world, and put us all in straight-jackets.

    I prefer to take action that use these TOOLS for bad purposes. (notice I sad bad, not illegal. Sometimes these are defininitely not the same.) Taking away the tools simply because some might abuse them is just plain stupid, unless of course, you prefer a totally "unfree" society.

    Cheers!

  14. Math by Watts+Martin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Pixar has a five-picture deal with Disney, and... Toy Story 2 didn't count. So there are three movies left that Pixar has to release through Disney...

    Not counting Toy Story 2, they've released:

    1. Toy Story
    2. A Bug's Life
    3. Monsters, Inc.

    Now, I'm no math major, but doesn't five minus three equal two films left on that contract?