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RIPE NCC Responds to ICANN CEO's Proposal
An anonymous reader sends in: "RIPE NCC (the European IP address registry) responds to the ICANN proposals for reducing their own accountability even further whilst spending millions of everyone else's money." ICANN will be meeting next week in Ghana - ought to be a feisty meeting.
And this is because Ghana is a world Internet power, right?
For kripe's sake, just look at their "meeting" calendar - it looks like a travel agency billboard.
What additional proof do you need that ICANN is into frittering other people's money for their own entertainment?
DNS is no use at all without a root.
Maybe some other mechanism could prevent conflicts and name hijacking in a completely decentralized system, but it aint DNS.
Screw ICANN. DNS itself is a bad idea, anyway, recentralising a decentralised network...
Hmm...and how exactly would you look up a web server's address? I know, remember an IP for each host you'll ever visit, and get that IP in the first place from...well...good question, isn't it? Even the old HOSTS.TXT file was centralised, and, by your logic, a Bad Thing.
To put it simply you are wrong. You mean to tell me that if they had approved a .xxx TDL that all the porn sites in the world would just change their domain names and live happily ever after quarantined in the .xxx TDL. No, you are out of your idealistic mind if you truly believe this. If you don't and were trying to be witty, then I look to the moderators and ask why oh why is this rated 4 (at the time of my post)
Sorry, I don't think so.
.xxx tld.
.com tld)
1. the porn sites aren't going to switch just because there is a
2. the ICANN can't/won't enforce any kind of consistency for consumer/civilian based tld. (that is, you won't be able to know for sure that a XXX site didn't try to "slip in" with a
The ICANN has been asked to create content-based tld before and they have refused because they don't want to play policeman. I for one agree, I don't want them to decide what goes on the web and what doesn't.
room101 -- how much can you stand before they break you?
(they always break you eventually)
IOW, "Do your damn job, and quit trying to become a bloated government agency."
Well said, indeed!
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
To put it simply you are wrong. You mean to tell me that if they had approved a .xxx TDL that all the porn sites in the world would just change their domain names and live happily ever after quarantined in the .xxx TDL.
.XXX or .adult TLD, Pornographers get all the benifits of opening a store five miles outside the city limits while at the same time giving those who are intolerant to porn every opportunity to shut them out of the 'communities'. Parasitic scammers who try to lure people to illigitamate sites would quickly find themselves without the stronger, legitimate pornographers to shield their activity, and fade away.
And you're an idiot.
Pornographers were the ones arguing hardest for an XXX TLD during the TLD proposal a while back.
First of all, you fail to make a distinction between real porn sites-- individuals and companies interested in selling explicit material to consenting adults-- and scam sites who are interested in trying to get as many eyeballs as they can, frequently with pornographic material.
Real pornographers know that they are running location-independant businesses. That's why in the real world the best strip clubs and adult bookstores and novelty shops will always be outside whatever city limits you happen to live inside. They have less to worry about in the way of police interference, angry neighbors, and intolerant church groups.
The intelligent ones *want* to be segregated. Because it is considered a 'vice', Porn is a unique business in that its customers will come to it rather than the other way around. Pornographers are interested in making money, not corrupting your children or your neighborhood's youth, regardless of what your religious leaders. They don't make money unless they sell to consenting adults. They make money off people who know what they want and know where to find it, and not people who 'browse' like you would in a department store.
By creating an
Now, I'm not saying that Porno is not a dirty, manipulative business without a lot of problems. Most of that, however, is due to the same kind of neglect and intolerance that ICANN showed during the TLD fiasco. Look at the state of Nevada, which has legalized sex work to a great deal. Adult actors, models, and prostitutes in that state not only make more money than sex workers anywhere else in the world, but are also better protected from rape, STD's, harrassment, and abuse. If ICANN had approved the XXX tld, I can't help but think that would have had a little of the same effect on internet porn.
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If you want domain names (and URLs) to work reliably and consistently from one location to another, there needs to be some mechanism to sort out conflicts over the meaning of a name. That job is inherently fraught with controversy, because it will pit people with vastly different interests, cultures, and expectations against one another. I don't particularly like the result of UDRP, but the bottom line is that dispute resolution is a difficult job no matter how it's done.
On the other hand if everybody picks his own root (or his own root search path) then URLs won't have the same meaning from one client to another, and instead of having ICANN handle disputes about who owns a TLD or SLD, we'll have the same disputes being handled by people trying to tell random users to change their root servers. or by interception proxies forced on users by ISPs. In some parts of the world there will be government edicts insisting that a particular root be used, with different roots required in different parts of the world.
Granted that ICANN is seriously screwed up and that its current proposal is not a step in the right direction. But having one authority responsible for dispute resolution at the TLD level makes a lot more sense than inviting wide variation in the meanings of DNS names.
RFC 2826 still says it pretty well.
Actually I don't fail to make a distinction, I don't need to make a distinction. The intension of the company doesn't affect the impression such material could make on a child, which is what net nanny etc are (in theory) there to provide. Protection from such content, just because the "upstanding" (oxymoron?) porn sites move to .xxx wouldn't validate the original posters comment that netnanny wouldn't be needed. Please pay attention to the scope of the comment you are replying too.
.xxx domain before doing so?
Because there are all the other sites out there that are either scams or just get a chuckle out of posting nude pictures of something on the web. Take the explosion of personal websites + cheap webcams in consideration. Do you really believe that every teenage girl that decides to do naughty things in front of a webcam is going to spring for a
The mind boggles.
It appears that you would have the .xxx registrars carefully check the sites in their domain to make sure that they all had sufficiently pornographic content. While I could see that VeriSign could probably find a willing army of applicants eager to perform that task at minimum wage I cannot see what purpose would be served that could not be served by a quality control association such as the Germans set up in response to complaints of insufficiently hard core porn.
What I suspect you mean is that companies in the dotcom domain should be scanned to see if they have porno content up. That is a considerably harder prospect and you would not find registrars willing to do it without a substantial increase in the registration fee.
Maybe we could simply move all the porn sites presently in .com into .xxx space. Something like that will have to happen if .com is going to return to any semblance of organization.
Why on earth does there have to be any semblance of organization in dotcom? There is no technical reason for having the namespace partitioned at the toplevel. The DNS could be run perfectly well if registrations were offered into the root directly. It would require considerably more resources than it does at present but it is certainly feasible from an operational point of view. There would still be hierarchy but that would happen below the name you registered. So slashdot could use www.slashdot as their web address if they chose, or they could use just slashdot and a NAPTR record.
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So...what qualifies as a pornographic site ? Nudity ? Does this include medical sites ? Art sites with nude paintings ? How about sites that just tell obscene jokes ? What if "jenny cam" gets a bit racey some night ? Might as well call for a board of censorship to judge the content of all web pages. While I can see your point, I think you've failed to think through some of the consequnces of being human, frail and ultimately corruptable.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
looks like every unsavory organisation of the world (WTO, IMF, WB ... and now ICANN) is discovering the unsuspected advantages of holding conferences in countries where a) nobody knows what they are talking about, and b) anybody who dares to raise their voice in dissent will be heading for some mass grave today rather than tomorrow.
No way pornographers want XXX. Why? They enjoy legal battles?
.xxx from its network. So would AOL. they do NOT want to be seen as porn advocates. Porn would suffer HEAVILY. Sure they would win their court battle, but it would be LONG and protracted and the whole world would be against them.
:D
Why? because now religious groups would leave porn sites alone and go after Comcast and AOL, etc. And you know DAMN well comcast would comply and block
They just dont need it. Well unless it came with guarantees that it would not get blocked.
Dont get me wrong, its stoopid, especially since comcast has porn channels anyway. But you know how hyped the net is. Come election time, they would get roasted