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Lessig's "Creative Commons" @ The FAA

tramm writes "The FAA, working with the EAA have put together a proposal to release old type certificates and blueprints once the copyright holders no longer exist. Sort of like Abandonware for airplanes. This very closely resembles Lawrence Lessig's idea of a creative commons, into which source code would be escrowed. Once the copyright expired or became abandonded, the sources would be released. "This set of legal guidelines will help the FAA develop a set of procedures to legally release what had previously been unnecessarily protected as proprietary data.". Hopefully the Copyright office will take note of the success here, as well as the Supreme Court's hearing of Eldred v Reno."

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  9. What about Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    So... does this mean that Windows source code will be available to the general public by, say, January 2542?

    1. Re:What about Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Linux is so much "better," why do care about Windows' source code?

      Do you fools need to learn how to program by looking at Microsoft's code? Or just to steal their ideas and implement it into some POS open source version?

      Oh, yeah, you do.

    2. Re:What about Windows? by lowtekneq · · Score: 1

      Just because Microsoft is secretive with their code. So far all that I have seen is a small snipit of memory-related code. And we have to face it, Windows is what most people use, if it were open source it could be made much stabler then it is now.

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    3. Re:What about Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      And we have to face it, Windows is what most people use, if it were open source it could be made much stabler then it is
      now


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  10. What about the Bono act? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2

    Doesn't the Bono act make this a moot point? Exactly when are these copyrights ever going to expire?

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    1. Re:What about the Bono act? by gartogg · · Score: 1

      What part of antique do you not understand?

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    2. Re:What about the Bono act? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 3, Informative
      From THE MOUSE THAT ATE THE PUBLIC DOMAIN (reported here):
      The CTEA extended the term of protection by 20 years for works copyrighted after January 1, 1923. Works copyrighted by individuals since 1978 got "life plus 70" rather than the existing "life plus 50". Works made by or for corporations (referred to as "works made for hire") got 95 years. Works copyrighted before 1978 were shielded for 95 years, regardless of how they were produced.
      I don't think very many airplanes were designed prior to January 1, 1923; I suspect the bulk of the aircraft the EAA is talking about were designed between then and 1978.

      I don't doubt that the FAA is going to do this, but I also don't doubt that they'll get their butts sued over it. Somebody owns the assets of those defunct aircraft companies, even if they're no longer supporting the airplanes, and Bono gives them the right to sue. Not that they will, but they could. I doubt the FAA has the authority to violate copyright law, even if the copyright holders don't care -- the RIAA and MPAA might just care enough to sue to enforce copyright law in general (although IANAL and don't know if a 3rd party can bring suit in a copyright case).

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    3. Re:What about the Bono act? by Mahonrimoriancumer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would really doubt that a 3rd party could bring suit in a copyright case. After all, how were they damaged by the violation/infringement? Also, if the party being sued was found guilty, who would recieve the money from the judgement?

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    4. Re:What about the Bono act? by Mayor+McPenisman · · Score: -1

      Don't try and debate the boner act with me!

      I know that thing like the back of my hand.

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    5. Re:What about the Bono act? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2

      The lawsuit might not seek damages. It might just seek an injuction barring the FAA from further copyright infringement, effectively ending this program. A 3rd party might sue simply to prevent the government from violating copyright laws. Indeed, the suit could be brought by anyone seeking to force the government to enforce it's own laws, such as a Congressman who voted for the Bono act, or the company that paid for it. Hell, they might sue the Justice Department for failing to sue the FAA. In this litigous country, anything's possible.

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    6. Re:What about the Bono act? by Mahonrimoriancumer · · Score: 1

      You probably are right, but to me it doesn't seem logical that a 3rd party can sue for copyright violation. After all, what if the copyright owner doesn't care? Then what?

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    7. Re:What about the Bono act? by cybermage · · Score: 2

      You probably are right, but to me it doesn't seem logical that a 3rd party can sue for copyright violation.

      IANAL, but...

      When it comes to suing the government like he's suggesting, I don't think it's a matter of parties. The only way the Judicial Branch can check the Executive Branch's abuse/ignorance of the law is for someone to bring suit against the Executive Branch. Then the court can rule on whether the Executive Branch actually understands the law it's charged with carrying out.

      If the FAA does this, anyone can ask the court if it's legal by bringing suit. You don't have to be a damaged party.

      As I understand it, the Legislative Branch has sued the Executive many times just for the purpose of getting the Judiciary to weigh in on what a law they wrote really means and to explain it to the Executive.

      Aren't checks and balances fun.

    8. Re:What about the Bono act? by McFly777 · · Score: 1

      It has been awhile since my civics class, but as I recall you need to get permission from the government to sue the government.

      To your point, this may not apply to the government suing itself, as would be the case in one branch suing another.

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  11. Similar to code escrow by gentlewizard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds like a good idea to me, sorta like software companies that put their source code into escrow so that if they go under, their customers can legally obtain it.

    1. Re:Similar to code escrow by bob_clippy · · Score: 1
      Software companies that go under (like Be) sell their assets, so they're not really "orphaned".

      Besides, I don't think I'd have much use for the source code for a defunct company's 1992 ASCII-based word processor, let's say, where I need Win 3.1 and Borland's 16-bit C++ IDE and some other defunct companies' C utility libraries just to (attempt to) compile it, more long lost third party DLLs just to run it, and after all that it would crash or deplete system resources every two hours same as it did 10 years ago.

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    2. Re:Similar to code escrow by zero2k · · Score: 1

      Software companies that go under (like Be) sell their assets, so they're not really "orphaned".

      Uhh... Compaq ring any bells?

  12. A good solution for copyright law too? by RulesLawyer · · Score: 1
    FAA legal counsel has agreed that "posting a public notice for 60 days would serve as constructive notice to anyone with an interest in the data, and if we receive no response, we can release the prints to the requesters."

    Too bad there's not already a way to show that intellectual property has been abandoned. This would be a great method to be able to re-publish old books, movies, and Atari 2600 games.

    1. Re:A good solution for copyright law too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Speaking of atari games
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  13. Start with NASA by owlmeat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd love to see acutual engineering documents and code for stuff like the Saturn V, the lunar module and the ground control computers

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    1. Re:Start with NASA by smannell · · Score: 1

      While that would be cool, I don't think it will happen. Military aircraft do not have to undergo FAA certification. I doubt the FAA have blueprints of most military craft. I think the same thing probably applies to NASA craft. Was a Saturn V ever certified by the FAA? Doubtful.

    2. Re:Start with NASA by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      You might find this interesting, then.

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    3. Re:Start with NASA by Metrollica · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see acutual engineering documents and code for stuff like the Saturn V, the lunar module and the ground control computers

      So would China, Iraq, and many other dangerous rouge states. The US spyplane that crashed in China gave the Chinese an important look at our technology. What would entire engineering documents do?

      Think about national security and protecting our way of life right now. We are in a war if you haven't noticed.

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    4. Re:Start with NASA by NiceGeek · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Our way of life is pretty much shot to hell right now if YOU hadn't noticed. Spare me your concerns about someone getting ahold of some ancient NASA docs.
      Yep mods it's a flame...go for it.

    5. Re:Start with NASA by Razor+Sex · · Score: 1

      Well, you just *might* be able to retrofit a Saturn V with a payload that is, well, just a little bit on the large side. They aren't exactly small rockets, nor would I call them short range. So printing the blueprints for one of those might be called "risky."

    6. Re:Start with NASA by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Hardly. You also need some hefty manufacturing capacity. Can we even build a Saturn V anymore?

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    7. Re:Start with NASA by Versa · · Score: 1

      Our way of life? Are you for real? A day in the life of your typical american is EXACTLY the same today as it was 5 years ago. Grow up and stop being spoon fed by Bush and his cronies (the media).

    8. Re:Start with NASA by Dreamweaver · · Score: 2

      This topic was hit-upon in Stephen Baxter's novel Manifold Time (or was it Manifold Space? The first one to come out). One of the main characters was starting an asteroid mining company in a near-future setting against heavy government opposition. I may have the details slightly incorrect due to lossy memory compression, but as I recall the FAA got onto him because the launch vehicle was going to be manned, so should have to pass FAA regulations. However, there Are no FAA regulations for extra-atmospheric vehicles, so it was a race to see if he could get off the ground before they could draw up requirements that he wouldn't be able to pass under the extremely tight budget of his operation.

      Absolutely nothing to do with copyrights, but what's life without amusing little side-forays?

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    9. Re:Start with NASA by WinPimp2K · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, the designs for the rockets were PATENTED. The patents on the J5 (I think, it's been a long time - the engine used in the second and third stages of the Saturn V anyways) expired in the late 70's so those engine designs are fully in the public domain. Of course, given how the gubmint is getting about anything that might have "security" implications, it is entirely likely that Dan Goldin has had them retroactively classified before anyone going for the 'X' prize uses them in a manned ICBM.

      Other than that, remember that we are talking about experimental aircraft - the FAA doesn't do a lot with them anyways.

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    10. Re:Start with NASA by Caraig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, you won't be able to. At least for the Saturn V.

      Y'see, the blueprints and engineering docs for the Saturn V were stored on microfilm. Time passed and, unfortunately, the ability to build the Saturn V was lost -- financial reasons, mostly. The aerospace industry had been given the financial equivalent of 100cc's of adrenaline with JFK's "space race." By the time the Apollo program ended, we were already unable to build the Saturn V. (This is why NASA moved on to cheaper, unmanned launches and the Space Shuttle.)

      If you really want them, though, I think we can work something out. Supposedly I live a few miles from the Saturn V's plans' final resting place. Legend has it that they are located somewhere in the Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island, New York City. This is probably incorrect, though. More likely, they were incinerated.

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    11. Re:Start with NASA by eclectro · · Score: 1

      I was wondering that myself. I had heard that the plans for the Saturn V were lost. But that seems to be mostly an urban legend. You can get the full story on the Saturn V plans here (warning: pop ups).

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    12. Re:Start with NASA by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny
      The patents on the J5 (I think, it's been a long time - the engine used in the second and third stages of the Saturn V anyways) expired in the late 70's so those engine designs are fully in the public domain.

      That's right, if you've been craving more power for your vehicle, you can now strap a genuine moon rocket motor to it with no restrictions or license fees.

      However, being a practical-minded guy, I'd use the Saturn-V's first stage F5 instead. It's a whole lot more powerful, and it uses kerosene so you won't have to wait around for the "hydrogen economy" to refuel it.

      Bring your credit card along, though, because it burns something like 3 tons of fuel per second.

    13. Re:Start with NASA by AJWM · · Score: 2

      That's a lot of data. There were something like 10,000 engineering drawings for the LM alone, at the peak Grumman's design group was cranking them out at 400 a week. (I just finished Tom Kelly's semi-autobiographical book on the project, "Moon Lander"). And that's just the drawings. The documentation overall probably took warehouses to store -- and because of the cost of that storage, a lot of it is probably long gone.

      However, a surprising amount is starting to turn up on the web, as the personal collections of old retired (and in too many cases, dead) Apollo-era engineers become available and enthusiasts put them on line. The NASA sites have some stuff too, but it's mostly the watered-down stuff they release to the general public.

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    14. Re:Start with NASA by AJWM · · Score: 1

      That would be the J-2. LOX-hydrogen engine. Mind, there's a lot more to building a rocket engine (and getting it to work) than just looking at the patent drawings and description. If you're not "versed in the art", there are a lot of subtleties that will lead to a few blown up or burnt through engines before you get it right.

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    15. Re:Start with NASA by AJWM · · Score: 1

      F5

      That would be the F-1. Yes, 1.5 million pounds thrust is a bit of a kick, although RP-1 isn't exactly just kerosene.

      And my comments above for the J2 go several times for the F1 -- starting that thing was a bit of a black art, the ignition sequencing had to be done just right -- it wasn't a matter of just opening valves in the 17-inch oxidizer and fuel lines and lighting a match underneath!

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    16. Re:Start with NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rogue states, at war, your brain has been rinsed clean hasn't it.

    17. Re:Start with NASA by thogard · · Score: 1

      They say they have 2900 cu ft of documents. If thats all microfiche density it could be about 4 billion letter sized documents.

    18. Re:Start with NASA by radarvectors · · Score: 1

      I'll bet North Korea would love to get a gander at that Saturn V data. Sure, it might be a little overkill, but scaled down it would make a bitchin' ICBM.

    19. Re:Start with NASA by owlmeat · · Score: 1

      An absolute waste of their time. For the amount it would cost to build one Saturn V they could build thousands of cruise missiles.

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    20. Re:Start with NASA by Caraig · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I'm very glad to hear that, actually. Even if we can't build the Saturn V anymore, there's significant historical interest in those documents.

      And, yes. Copious popups. My screen was half red courtesy of SpyBlocker. =6 An interesting article, though. =)

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    21. Re:Start with NASA by castlan · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see actual engineering documents and code for 'Vger' Voyager 6, so that I could build a living machine. This would allow me the option of sex0ring it... I mean, "interfacing" with it, or else removing the infestation of carbon lifeforms from the surface of the 3rd planet. You earthlings had better hope I'm in good mood, or hard up, lest yee shall all perish before me.

      Sure, that is lots of power to wield. That's probably why NASA denys the existence of any probes beyond Voyager 2. Don't believe it!

  14. How soon does the GPL Copyleft expire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The GPL is based on Copyleft, which is just an construct on top of copyright law. When the copyright on GPL'd software expires, does the software fall into the public domain?

    If copyrights are to be shortened to, say, 7 years, does GPL'd code then become public domain after those seven years?

    It's a point worth pondering.

    1. Re:How soon does the GPL Copyleft expire? by SquadBoy · · Score: 2

      Yes yes it would. many overlook that point but all in all I think it is a good thing.

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    2. Re:How soon does the GPL Copyleft expire? by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The GPL is based on Copyleft, which is just an construct on top of copyright law. When the copyright on GPL'd software expires, does the software fall into the public domain?

      If copyrights are to be shortened to, say, 7 years, does GPL'd code then become public domain after those seven years?


      Copyleft is a made-up word, not a legal concept. GPL'd software is copyrighted, with a license that grants permission to use the code in certain ways (which you normally wouldn't be able to with a copyrighted work). If the copyright expires, the software falls into the public domain, and you can now do those things with the software without using the GPL to do it, and thus not being restricted by the terms of the GPL.

      However, since a GPL'd app can be copyrighted by many people (each contributor is a copyright holder), you'd need to wait until all the copyrights expired, or all the copyrights that pertain to the section you want to use. If copyrights have been assigned to the FSF or some other group, that would simplify things.

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    3. Re:How soon does the GPL Copyleft expire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All legal words are made up concepts.

    4. Re:How soon does the GPL Copyleft expire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would not be a bad thing. Yes, it would become public domain, The problem is in proprietary software which "claims" the privilege of copyright for binary works. It is much less useful when (under current considitions, perhaps never) something like that becomes public domain. I fully do not believe binary source secret applications deserve the consideration, protection, or meets the intent of copyright since they do not meet the definition of a "published" work and should instead use trade secret law alone. Anything else is a pure misuse of copyright and the holders should be stripped of their privilege as the law allows for,

  15. I wonder ... by The+MoMo+King · · Score: 0

    if something like this has any benefit for the tech sector. Or does tech move so fast that by the time the stuff is in Public Domain ... it is so obsolete?

    1. Re:I wonder ... by PM4RK5 · · Score: 2


      As a programmer, I've written for the z80 before, and I'd have to say no. Actually, I would argue the other way - when computer hardware becomes obsolete, it has become outdated and 'hard to program for.' But the advantage in this is learning how programmers did things in such a limited environment (such as the 8-bit z80 with only 64k of mem).
      You can learn a lot from old programs, such as how you can use bitwise commands to your advantage (which is priceless, IMO). Anyway, my point is that you can learn good and/or efficient programming techniques from old/obsolete hardware, which might otherwise go unlearned if you only program in languages that hide these things (like the use of bitmasks and toying with flags, and self-modifying code) from the programmer.

  16. Right on! by peacefinder · · Score: 1

    I've always wanted to know how to build my own
    P-47! Woo-hoo! Now all I need is a couple hundred thousand dollars. Hmmm...

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    1. Re:Right on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It might be easier to check with Fairchild Industries (or is it Aviation)?

      Republic Aircraft + Fairchild = Fairchild Republic = Fairchild (A-10).

      North American Aviation (P-51, X-15 and Apollo command and service modules) + Rockwell = North American Rockwell = Rockwell International (B-1) + Boeing = Boeing.

      Consolidated Aircraft (B-24) + Vultee (Vengance dive bomber) = Convair (B-58) = General Dynamics (F-16 and submarines).

      Martin Aviation (B-26 Marauder) + Lockheed (P-38 Lightning) = Lockheed Martin (btw, the orignal spelling of Lockheed was Loughead).

      McDonnell + Douglas = McDonnell-Douglas (F-4 Phantom II) + Boeing = Boeing.

      Sikorsky Helicopter is (or was) part of United Technologies.

      Beechcraft (Grizzly attack plane) is still in business. The Grizzly was never put into production, for various reasons, but may have been comparable to the Mosquito.

      I'm not sure who own Northrup (B-2) and Grumman (all planes that end in "cat"). They may have merged, and then merged with another company.

  17. Lessig? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What a totally gay last name. Is he a lesbian? Or a fag?

  18. Sounds Great by sasha328 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just so people don't get confused about what this will achieve: It will only help vintage aircraft oweners. Most of the old vintage aircraft have no manuals (IPCs etc); and the repairs would generally be applied through FAA approved engineers. Most, if not all newer aircraft will not be affected by this. I do not think that the FAA will let any one build an aircraft using these blueprints because the certification nw is totally different than earlier last century. They may however be built as experimental aircraft. That is where I think te EAA comes in.

    1. Re:Sounds Great by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 2

      Actualy there is an airplane the Waco Classic that is being manufactured in just this way. The original Waco Aircraft company built about 8 of the big bi-planes in the 30's and went under. The plans ended up in the Smithsonian, and a company is now makeing an up to date version of it. If I had a spare $350,000 that I didn't know what to do with I might buy one. (OK probably not) Its very nice looking plane but not what you call in any way practical.

      Also remember that the Cessna Skyhawk introduced in 1956 is still buing built. (And the Beach Bonanza which first was built in '47 is still being built as well in some form)

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  19. not quite the same thing.. by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While it may be perfectly sensible in this case (hey, aircraft and software are very different), I think a LOT of people would be nervous if their source code was automatically made available once their 'copyright' was over, this is a MUCH more serious step than just loosing your copyright.

    if you loose a copyright, people can copy the program, but still need to reverse-engineer the source if they want to know your implementation.

    of course, I'm totally supportive of fully open source, but we should remember that copyright is peoples right if they decide to go that way, and we should not assume that when this lapses we have the right to ALL of their work, they just loose that particular bit of protection.

    there is a world of difference between copyright on a particular implementation, and the massivly 'general' patents currently being handed out in the US over quite obvious software techniques, the second are much more... stuipd, dangerous, ridiculous, etc, etc.... however copright is a MUCH simpler concent, so long as it's length is kept reasonable, and it's extent is limited.

    of course, in the case of the copyright holder 'ceasing to exist' the case becomes much more hazy.. since ther is noone to defent the copyright, I guess all bets are off, but should their 'source code' (or exact plans/designs) be automatically made public? and who do we trust to hold these? hmmm... I personally think that would be excessive.

    1. Re:not quite the same thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Who taught you that 'lose' was spelled L-O-O-S-E?

      Wrong wrong WRONG!

    2. Re:not quite the same thing.. by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      LOOSE!? The word is LOSE, you LOSER. THIS is LOOSE.

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    3. Re:not quite the same thing.. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      if you loose a copyright, people can copy the program, but still need to reverse-engineer the source if they want to know your implementation.

      Here's a question - don't you need to publish in order to get copyright protection? If so, then how is the source protected when it isn't actually published?

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    4. Re:not quite the same thing.. by thesupraman · · Score: 2


      I doubt the companies involved here copyrighted the blueprints to the aircraft either, just (I would imaging) the actual parts making it up, in a lot of way source code is just 'blueprints' to a program.

      The FAA obviously required the blueprints to be given to it, and are not releasing them (a great thing, in a number of ways), I would be quite concerned if this kind of thing happened to source code (due to the ease of recreating software, much easier than building an aircraft).

      I can see a 'risk' of goverments making a power grab to have source code 'registered' within some goverment organisation for similar reasons to why the FAA has the aircraft blueprints, and I think this would be a VERY BAD THING for the freedom of developers, partially due to the verhanded generalisation that seems to prevade software legislation these days.

    5. Re:not quite the same thing.. by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 2
      Paragraph by paragraph:

      Copyright is implicit the moment something is created, you aren't required to register for it (although it is recommended, and stands up much better in court), so the blueprints are likely covered by copyright.

      And why are you concerned about source code to abandoned programs being released? I can't think of a single reason, so please share. (Okay, one: if id folded and the Quake 3 source code were abandoned, you would see a lot more cheats, but Quake doesn't have much in the way of security and safety.)

      Finally... what 'risks'? The FAA requires aircraft blueprints (I assume) to check them for safety. Unsafe software can be almost as dangerous as an unsafe airplane, so it may not be a bad idea to have a Federal Software Security Association. What "freedom" would this take away from developers? The freedom to make insecure software?

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    6. Re:not quite the same thing.. by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 2
      "I think a LOT of people would be nervous if their source code was automatically made available once their 'copyright' was over, this is a MUCH more serious step than just loosing your copyright."

      I can see arguments both ways: one, since source-code for many projects is never published, it isn't copyrighted (I guess it's a trade secret... not sure.) On the other hand, if it IS published, then when the copyright is over, it rises to public domain, and everyone does have the right to do whatever they want with it.

      In the hypothetical case of a federal software association requiring that all source code be regitered with it... does that count as publishing? It probably would have to. So it would have to, eventually, become public domain. But what's so wrong with that?

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  20. Great idea, but what about security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a great idea, but what about security? This information could easily be used by a terrorist in a hijacking or something similar to what happened on September 11th. Can we afford to allow this info into the public domain?

    Perhaps this issue has already been dealt with, but I hope they are considering it, or there may be another September 11th as a result.

    1. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Ryu2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      September 11 happened because of poor airport and airline security, not because the terrorists had knowledge of the design of the aircraft itself.

      Besides, we are talking about old aircraft that are no longer being flown by airlines.

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    2. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEWS FLASH: Crazed terrorist steals antique P38 Lightning fighter; crashes on takeoff. Are you one of the paraniod ones? No, no, wait. You are right. We need to outlaw all the gun magazines and hardware supply catalogs. Don't want anyone getting any sinful ideas. Hey, we better just go ahead and ban everything except television, just to be on the safe side.

    3. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They certainly seemed to have enough technical knowledge to fly airliners. Could you fly one of those rigs? Not by just taking a wild guess. The terrorists bought the training and technical knowledge they needed right here in the US. I don't know where they got the box cutters.

    4. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by stubear · · Score: 2

      Actually, there's a report out now which discusses in detail the amount of information bin Laden had concerning the architectural structure of the WTC. After the original attack in '93(?) failed Al Qaeda studied the plans for the WTC. They did a thorough analysis of the best point to crash a large airplane into the building to start a chain reaction collapse. Had the planes hit the towers a few too many floors too high or low or a bit more to one corner and the towers would still be standing today.

      While I do not agree that blueprints and plans should be locked away, I feel there should be a check-in/out process for sensitive information. This way should something like this happen, law enforcement has a starting point to begin their investigation.

    5. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Wouldn't it be a lot easier if someone, say Jesus H. Ashcroft and company, printed a list of acceptible behavior (CONSUME, WATCH TV, BE SILENT) and made it a law that everyone had to turn in anyone they saw not following the rules?

    6. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by cybrthng · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You actually believe your post?

      Excuse me, but in order to fly a 767, you have to understand the principles of flight, navigation and controls.

      It isn't like driving a car, and it most certainly wasn't simply "because of poor airport and airline security". Who was to know box cutters would be use to hijack and are we supposed to know a terrorist from a non terrorist by the way people look?

      More people die every month because of drunk drivers then airplane accidents year round.

      Its ignorance of people who never fly that give aviation and General/Private aviation a bad name.

      Yes, to fly a 747 and 140mph over VNE takes some skill

      Yes aiming an aircraft going over "terminal velocity" into a toothpick in all reality is HARD TO DO.

      You don't just pull the yoke and fly'thabitch, you have to understand pitch, yaw, roll control as well as attitude and flight characteristics of the airplane to do what they did. Knowing how to use the GPS, knowing how to disable your transponder, knowing how to comminicate with other hijacked craft and having the skill to know your going to die and be able to control the aircraft is a death defying feat in itself.. i'm just glad the f***ers are dead and not able to do it again.

      It was the lack of many factors that caused this, none simply the fault of airlines/aviation.

    7. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Mayor+McPenisman · · Score: -1

      Shut up you dummy dummy dumb dumb. Go stick plungers up your ass. You are super-mega dumb.

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    8. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Eccles · · Score: 1

      Actually, there's a report out now which discusses in detail the amount of information bin Laden had concerning the architectural structure of the WTC.

      From http://www.designbuildmag.com/dec2001/wtc1201.asp:

      Even Osama bin Laden, himself, was shocked by the towers' total collapse, according to the chilling video released Dec. 13 by the Pentagon. Citing his own industry pedigree as the estranged heir to Saudi Arabia's largest family-owned contractor, a pleased bin Laden can be heard telling fawning colleagues, "Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This was all that we hoped for."

      So that report is (reasonably provably) false.

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    9. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      While I do not agree that blueprints and plans should be locked away, I feel there should be a check-in/out process for sensitive information. This way should something like this happen, law enforcement has a starting point to begin their investigation.
      Security through obscurity?

      It never works.

    10. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by Ryu2 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Yes all that is true, but I don't think you can really learn to fly by looking at the airplane blueprints alone, which is what the FAA is proposing to release! This has nothing to do with 9/11!

      The flying and the designing of the plane are two DIFFERENT things.

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    11. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by pdeweese · · Score: 1

      I agree, and besides, technology has as much potential for good as for evil. It also gives control to smaller units, which is what the USA was originally about. Considering that guns have been around long enough that we have the knowledge to manufacture them in our basements, the same will be true of many technologies, and this is not a bad thing. Maybe someday we will have the technology to be able to replicate custom processors in the back shed!

    12. Re:Great idea, but what about security? by BarefootClown · · Score: 2

      Excuse me, but in order to fly a 767, you have to understand the principles of flight, navigation and controls.

      Yes, this is true. But aircraft blueprints won't help you with this--you need flight maunals for learning the basics (i.e. the textbooks published by Jeppesen Sandersen, ASA, etc.) and the Pilot's Operating Handbook, Airplane Flight Manual, etc. for aircraft-specific info. The blueprinte will tell you how to build the airplane, not how to fly it. You might also recall that the hijackers took flight instruction; Zacarias Moussaoui (spelling?), the "20th Hijacker" trained just down the street from where I work, at Airman Flight School, in Norman, OK (I work for OU Aviation).

      Yes, to fly a 747 and 140mph over VNE takes some skill

      Agreed, but not as much as you'd think. If you understand the principles of flight, and have sufficient time (distance) to line up, you could hit a building. I have flown Level D (full-motion) simulators for the T-1, E-3 (B707), and MD11. Both of the larger airplanes are a little sensitive on the roll axis, but with a little practice (~15 minutes), I was shooting instrument approaches. The WTC attack would be relatively easy; the attack on the Pentagon was the impressive one, from a piloting perspective. Also, the airplanes were 757's and 767's, not 747's. VNE on the '5 is 513KIAS, the '6 is 516KIAS; I don't recall hearing that the planes were flying at 650KIAS when they hit, but I might have missed it. That just sounds a bit high to me; the stresses would be tremendous.

      Yes aiming an aircraft going over "terminal velocity" into a toothpick in all reality is HARD TO DO.

      Yes, it is. Matter of fact, it's impossible.

      Terminal Velocity:

      (a) The velocity acquired at the end of a body's motion. (b) The limit toward which the velocity of a body approaches, as of a body falling through the air.

      Source: Webster's, as provided by www.dictionary.com

      Short answer: terminal velocity is the maximum speed you can attain--it is the speed at which the force of drag (roughly proportional to the square of airspeed, without getting into induced and parasite drag) is equal to the force of thrust. At that point, with the forces in equilibrium, acceleration will be zero, and you won't go any faster. To go faster requires more power; when you add power, terminal velocity increases. Terminal velocity is subject to change based on configuration; when you are in stable cruise flight, you are at terminal velocity for that power setting and attitude. Push the throttle forward, or put the nose down, and you are changing configuration, changing your terminal velocity.

      Knowing how to use the GPS, knowing how to disable your transponder, knowing how to comminicate with other hijacked craft...

      1. We don't know that they used the GPS. The VOR would have worked just as well, and it's pretty easy to use, if you know what to look for. As these people had flight training, they would have known what to look for. Failing that, they could have used a handheld GPS, or even pilotage ("fly east until you hit the coast, then follow the coast to New York") to find New York. The weather was beautiful that day, so they didn't need to shoot an approach into the towers--"point the nose at the tall buildings" would have been sufficient.
      2. The transponder is in plain sight on the front panel. Again, they would have known what they were looking for. Pressing about three buttons would have taken care of the problem.
      3. I don't recall hearing any evidence that they communicated with other after takeoff. I thought it was just well planned and well executed. But even if not, A) the radios are easy enough to use, just have to coordinate a frequency, and B) I trust you've heard of cell phones.

        Anyhow, in short, yes, you do need some knowledge of the aircraft systems, but you really don't need any knowledge of the aircraft design to fly. Blueprints aren't going to make one whit of difference in this sort of attack.

        By the way, by way of credentials, I'm a Certificated Flight Instructor (soon to be Instrument Instructor as well) with commercial single- and multi-engine ratings, and instrument priviliges in both. (Anybody in the Oklahoma City area looking for flight training, drop me a note :-) )

        NOTE: I am employed by the University of Oklahoma, Aviation Department, and by AirOne, Inc These comments are my own, and do not reflect the views of my employers.

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  21. Current Troll/Serious Ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Current "serious" (i.e., whore) posts: 10
    Current trolls: 14

    Go speed racer, go!

    1. Re:Current Troll/Serious Ratio by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      What the BLOODY HELL are you talking about?! You take that back!! I'VE NEVER POSTED A SERIOUS POST IN MY LIFE!

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    2. Re:Current Troll/Serious Ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not YOU, you stupid fuck. All the postings for this article "Lessig's Creative Commons"

      Yeesh.

    3. Re:Current Troll/Serious Ratio by MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM · · Score: -1

      Don't mind him, brits are not the brightest bulb in the pack.

    4. Re:Current Troll/Serious Ratio by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      I'm British? Hmm, OK.

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    5. Re:Current Troll/Serious Ratio by King+of+the+World · · Score: 0

      You can buy packs of bulbs with varying wattage? This I gotta see!

    6. Re:Current Troll/Serious Ratio by Commienst · · Score: -1

      If MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, says you are a Brit, it must be true! Got it?

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    7. Re:Current Troll/Serious Ratio by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      Jolly good. On with it, then!
      Cheerio!

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  22. Fuck all Libertarians (ESR especially) by Commienst · · Score: -1

    Ayn Rand and the perversion of libertarianism

    The political controversy of the late 19th century was: whether
    socialists (all those who believed in the individual's right to
    possess what he or she produced) should engage in the political
    process, seize control of the state, and use the state apparatus
    to achieve liberation; or, whether a worker's state was inher-
    ently contradictory, counter revolutionary, and would only lead
    to the creation of a new ruling class whose interests would still
    clash with those of the ruled that the state should be abolished
    allowing for no transitional stage of any kind during which power
    may have the chance to reconsolidate itself.
    The situation has recreated itself with amazing similarity
    almost exactly a century later.
    Non-libertarian parties the world over (those who see authori-
    tarian centralization the bulwark of civilization) are bankrupt,
    economically and intellectually. The only viable intellectual
    current today falls under that ambiguous term~ `libertarian'.
    Today there exist beneath this umbrella as many splinter groups
    as there were a hundred years ago under the umbrella of social-
    ism. Two distinct trends, a right and a left if you will, are
    clearly discernible.
    One group, clearly the largest with a hierarchical organization
    modeled on the other political parties, believes, like most
    Marxists, in constitutional parliamentary republican democracy.
    They believe that the state is a necessary guarantor of indi-
    vidual safety and the product of the individual's labor, and in
    gradual progress toward a free society through participation in
    the political process.
    The other group, much smaller and far more splintered, reject
    the state as necessarily a tool of class domination and exploita-
    tion.
    This group believes that what Bakunin said a hundred years ago
    is as true today, ``If you took the most ardent revolutionary,
    vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse
    than the Czar himself.''
    The first group is in all fairness a direct inheritor of the
    ideals of the American Revolution. In modern times, however, it
    has only two roots: (1) the Austrian school of economics repre-
    sented by Ludwig Von Mises; (2) the philosophy of Ayn Rand.
    Von Mises never considered the libertarians. He answered the
    Marxists and the Keynesians and defended laissez-faire capitalism
    at a time when no one else would. His justification for capital-
    ism was empirical~the greatest good for the greatest number.
    Ayn Rand, however, attempted to offer a moral justification of
    capitalism by substituting the word `capitalism' for the liber-
    tarian meaning of the word `socialism'. She then attributed all
    of the ills of capitalism to government interference with the
    market and all of the world's wealth to the minds of the men whom
    the world considered the robber barons.
    The contrast between Ayn Rand's `Objectivism' and libertarian-
    ism is deeper than mere substitution of terminology, however.
    Several of her propositions or axioms place her clearly outside
    of the libertarian tradition.
    Her justification of the state is derived from a Hobbesian
    state of nature theory:
    ``...a society without an organized government would be at the
    mercy of the first criminal who came along and who would precipi-
    tate it into chaos and gang warfare....'' [The Virtue of Selfish-
    ness, 152; pb 112]
    ``If a society provided no organized protection against force,
    it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home
    into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door~or
    to join a protective gang of citizens who would fight other
    gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the
    degeneration of society into the chaos of gang rule, i.e., rule
    by brute force, into perpetual warfare of prehistoric savages.''
    [Ibid., 146; pb 108]
    Ayn Rand's belief in the inherent depravity of human nature
    which renders us forever incapable of living without rulers and
    not descending to the level of `savages', clearly places her out-
    side of the libertarian tradition which views human nature as es-
    sentially good, capable of indefinite improvement through the
    experience of freedom and the exercise of reason.
    Her knowledge of anthropology is as embarrassing as her under-
    standing of history. For example, in regards to her conception of
    who are the savages, she describes America as, ``...a superlative
    material achievement in the midst of an untouched wilderness,
    against the resistance of savage tribes.'' [For The New Intellec-
    tual, 58; pb 50]
    To Rand, the essential characteristic of the state is that it
    possesses a monopoly on the use of retaliatory force. How does
    she justify this monopoly or national sovereignty? She accepts it
    as a given, something not requiring a justification, and demands
    that an-archy, the negation of the proposition, justify itself.
    Her concept of national sovereignty is then something tran-
    scendental, existing separate and apart from individuals. and
    beyond the right of the individual to accept or reject according
    to his or her own reason.
    These propositions clearly place Ayn Rand's philosophy closer
    to Hobbes, Hegel, and Marx, than to libertarianism.
    The state, according to Miss Rand, must hold a monopoly on the
    enforcement of contracts and the settling of disputes between
    individuals, at least whenever this arbitration is not accepted
    by both sides voluntarily. She fails to consider that the en-
    forcement of contracts by the state fundamentally alters the
    nature of free agreements. Agreements are made on terms which
    otherwise might not be, because they are justiciable.
    The terms of ``free agreements'' under law are titled in favor
    of lenders over debtors, landlords over tenants, employers over
    employees, in a way which would not exist in a ``free market.''
    This leveraging of power is not `objective' at all. Depending
    purely on legal convention, creditors may have debtors impris-
    oned, tenants may be evicted without notice and their effects
    confiscated, one human being may own another or the land on which
    another lives and works, all to varying degrees.
    To understand Ayn Rand's psychology it is helpful to know her
    background. She was born to a wealthy St. Petersburg family in
    1905. The position of her family in Czarist society must have
    been considerable. At a time when the lives of most Russians had
    changed little since feudalism, her family was wealthy enough to
    afford a French Governess and take regular vacations to the Cri-
    mea.
    It should be noted that wealth in Czarist society was almost
    wholly a measure of one's favor with the government. There were
    few if any Horatio Alger stories about individuals who lifted
    themselves out of serfdom without the patronage of the Czar.
    At the age of twelve, she must have been very upset when those
    nasty workers took over her father's business. Her family fled
    St. Petersburg for the Crimea and the protection of the White
    Army.
    This experience rendered her forever incapable of seeing land
    reform or any struggle of oppressed and exploited people as
    anything more than hatred for the good and lust for the unearned.
    She shared with Marx the bourgeois ideology that only a few
    people were capable of running things. The masses ought to be
    happy to have a job working for bosses. Any suggestion that an
    enterprise could be run by the employees without having someone
    in charge was to her absurd.
    She shared with Godwin and Kropotkin the belief that the indi-
    vidual is born tabula rasa~a blank slate, and all human knowledge
    is derived from sense experience. She then proceeded, however, to
    completely dismiss environment and socialization as the determin-
    ing factor in the development of character.
    People were to her good or evil, brilliant or indolent, depend-
    ing solely on their volition. People should be judged by their
    actions with equal severity regardless of their condition. Though
    she insisted that the United States was not and never had been a
    completely free country, she granted no such thing as extenuating
    circumstances when judging an individual and had no qualms up-
    holding the power of the state to inflict capital punishment.
    A far more sinister legacy of Ayn Rand to libertarianism is
    that of a moralizing autocrat who gathered about her an inner
    circle which she ironically called, ``The collective.''
    Outwardly, this collective professed egoism and individuality.
    They were to be the vanguard of an intellectual renaissance. The
    price of admission to this group, however, was slavish conformity
    of one's life and professed philosophy to Ayn Rand's whims and
    eccentricities. For example, she did not like men who wore facial
    hair or listened to Mozart, and if you didn't give them up you
    were unfit for Rand's inner circle.
    This is particularly sinister if one considers that Karl Marx,
    believed by millions to be the very symbol of liberation, was
    also an autocrat who, though professed to be the ultimate champi-
    on of democracy, resorted to extraordinary means to maintain
    control of the International Workingmen's Association. He even
    moved its headquarters to New York to exclude the libertarian
    influence.
    Today Ayn Rand is gone, but like Marx a century ago, hers is
    the primary influence on the largest libertarian organization
    existing. Even the pledge which all Libertarian Party members
    must sign is taken directly from her admonition, ``I hereby
    certify that I do not believe in or advocate the initiation of
    force as a means of achieving political or social goals.''
    In spite of their pledge to non-violence, many libertarians are
    frustrated with election laws and media censorship. An argument
    which circulates among libertarians of the right is that, if they
    were more threatening, the government may take steps to accommo-
    date them as it did the black civil rights movement.
    Ayn Rand's writings are not entirely consistent on the point of
    non-violence either. In The Fountainhead, Howard Roark resorts to
    the use of dynamite. In Atlas Shrugged, Ragnar Danneskjold
    engages in piracy on the high seas and even shells a factory
    which has been nationalized. In a clandestine rescue mission,
    Dagny Taggart shoots a guard who stood in the way of her desired
    end.
    In the event of economic upheaval, ruined by unemployment and
    inflation, tenants and home owners may refuse to make rent and
    mortgage payments. The unemployed may seize vacant land and begin
    to farm, and factory workers may realize they can run things
    without stock holders.
    It would not be at all surprising if there were to emerge
    within the libertarian right, groups committed to direct action
    and counter revolutionary violence, even a coup d'etat.
    Imagine a charismatic and autocratic personality at the center
    of such a group and you have the Objectivist Lenin.
    Like the Marxists and right libertarians, Lenin and the Objec-
    tivists are professed republican democrats. Lenin and the Bolshe-
    viks promised that if given power, they would immediately convoke
    a constituent assembly. When they realized, however, they would
    not hold a majority in such an assembly they turned against the
    idea of such an assembly.
    Can anyone doubt that the cultist mentality which characterizes
    most of Miss Rand's followers could lead to the creation of a
    group of self appointed avengers of the capitalist class? That
    they would suppress strikes, demonstrations, and factory take
    overs? That they would not execute people for crimes against the
    libertarian state?
    Ayn Rand believed in a republican form of government with a
    cleverly constructed constitution which would deny the majority
    of the power to infringe on the rights of a minority as she
    conceived them. If the majority supported a general strike
    against rents and mortgages and supported the factory takeovers,
    would not the clandestinely organized Objectivist libertarian
    party be tempted to dispense with democracy in order to enforce
    what they conceived of as the rights of the dispossessed bour-
    geoisie?
    In all fairness it must be admitted that Ayn Rand herself would
    never sanction such actions, but the same argument is made
    everyday by western Marxists that Marx would probably not have
    sanctioned many of Lenin's actions and would certainly not take
    credit for the Soviet Union.
    Lenin and the Bolsheviks won power by promising, ``Land to the
    peasants!'' ``Factories to the workers!'' When they took power,
    however, they immediately set about liquidating the factory com-
    mittees and nationalizing the land. They crushed work place
    democracy by installing armed guards in the factories, and even
    returned former owners to their positions as employees of the
    worker's state.
    Leon Trotsky stopped the practice of soldiers electing their
    officers from their ranks and even restored former Czarist
    officers to their ranks in the Red Army.
    When the Russian Revolution began few people clearly understood
    the gulf which separated the state socialists from the libertari-
    ans. Many dedicated libertarians like Alexander Berkman, rallied
    to the Bolshevik cause, willing to give them the benefit of the
    doubt in hopes that seizing state power would only be a transi-
    tional stage toward the development of the stateless/classless
    society.
    Many sincere lovers of liberty now flock to the standard of the
    Libertarian Party, as they did the Bolsheviks, completely igno-
    rant of the history of the last century. As Santayanna said:
    ``Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat
    them.''
    What should be done? It should be obvious that government
    enforcement of private contracts is not libertarian any more than
    is taking state power to set people free. Libertarianism is and
    always will mean socialism~the self emancipation of working
    people.
    Libertarians must stop courting the Republican right and return
    to their intellectual roots. By standing outside of the political
    process we deny the state legitimacy, and like the state tortur-
    ers in Atlas Shrugged, they will come and beg for libertarians to
    take over.
    Remembering the experience of the Spanish libertarians, and
    heeding the advice of John Galt, libertarians must refuse state
    power even when begged. The state can never be a tool of libera-
    tion. Only its complete and utter collapse will allow for the
    emergence of non-statist institutions, libertarian coops, com-
    munes, and free markets, to flourish and displace the political
    state once and for all.

    --

    I am into the copy and paste.
    1. Re:Fuck all Libertarians (ESR especially) by Mayor+McPenisman · · Score: -1

      Everyone knows Ayn Rand was a cult leader anyway. Expecting a FICTION WRITER to contribute in a real way to philosophy is like expecting Barney the dinosaur to create the apex of quality television.

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      [[Ay fukkand lyke ane furious Fornicatour]]
    2. Re:Fuck all Libertarians (ESR especially) by Commienst · · Score: -1

      I was at Barnes and Nobles one day protesting with a picket sign that Ayn Rand be removed from the Philosophy section of the store. The thugs in blue removed me from the premises.

      What I hate is how she stole the term Libertarian from my fellow libertarian socialists. She had to know that anarchists had been using the term for a hundred years before her ilk raped the word.

      >>"Everyone knows Ayn Rand was a cult leader anyway."

      I agree, but alot of those ultra right idiot Libertarians on slashdot do not seem to know this.

      --

      I am into the copy and paste.
  23. Then check THIS out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    it's not quite engineering blueprints, but Nasa's Mission Reports are pretty close for a single book. Detailed overview of the operation of the vehicles with lots of nice drawings detailing the nuts and bolts. So if you're curious about turbopumps or how you ignite a Saturn V rocket engine you'll like these books. They also generally include the crew debriefing where they talk about most of the interesting glitches in the mission...

  24. Re:Sounds Great??? For whom?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is related to the tech sector how? I can optimize my server cluster by using plans for a Grumman fighter? There is plenty of real news out there form the tech sector, how about some of that for a change?

  25. Some NASA code IS available! :) by PaulBu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    check out http://www.openchannelsoftware.com/
    (it was mentioned on /. some time ago). As far as I remember, it started when NASA decided to give some of its code to Open Source community.

    Stuff like "An Advanced Engineering Model for the Prediction of Airframe Integrated Scramjet Cycle Performance". It's a pity I do not have too much time anymore to study all the programs available there... :)

    And, of course, we all know that Beowulf started in NASA/JPL when Don worked there...

    Paul B.

    1. Re:Some NASA code IS available! :) by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      IIRC some of the linux kernel modules supporting 3com ethernet cards were written by nasa as well...

      --

      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

  26. He should have said 'you are' by Commienst · · Score: -1

    He should have said 'you are' when addresssing the keeper of the Troll Library, the honorable RoboTroll. 'You're' is informal and not appropriate for a coward to address others with. That disrespectful asshole!

    --

    I am into the copy and paste.
  27. Speaking of Lessig... by securitas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ... will one of the moderators PLEASE look into the story queue and make a decision on the Lessig feature I submitted on 2002-01-08 15:54:26?

    I'm sure this will get an off-topic but its driving me crazy whenever I log in to see that
    'pending (1)' still there.

    1. Re:Speaking of Lessig... by doctorjohn · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Calm down. Can't you see that the moderators can't be bothered with news from the tech sector, especially news that has any bearing at all on anything current and tech. Now, if you find a story about cloning chickens, they might run that...

    2. Re:Speaking of Lessig... by securitas · · Score: 2

      Actually I've found the moderators to be very helpful when I've bothered to e-mail them about something -- Tim and I had a fun and informative exchange of several e-mails a few months back.

      I'd rather not e-mail them directly about this since it sort of falls into the category of 'Why haven't you accepted my post yet?' which I'm sure they get way too many of. Then again, I suppose inflicting my request on the readership at large isn't too smart a move either!

    3. Re:Speaking of Lessig... by Mayor+McPenisman · · Score: -1

      Just fucking post the story as a reply to someone's FPd00d comment at the top of the comment page. Do it AC if you care so much about karma. The only people worth reaching read /. at -1 anyway.

      --
      [[Ay fukkand lyke ane furious Fornicatour]]
  28. Great idea, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm afraid it'll be hopelessly illegal unless they amend the copyright law.

  29. Copyright by JimPooley · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a damn good idea. Lots of planes are flying long after their original designer and manufacturer are defunct, and anything that helps that is a good thing. People may even take this occasion to bring well loved classic aircraft back into production.

    However, I would like to take this occasion to point out one very worthwhile extension of copyright. J.M.Barrie, creator of "Peter Pan" bequeathed his royalties to the Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital. When the copyright was due to expire in 1989, a special case was made in UK courts that the copyright be held in perpetuity by the hospital.
    Now that's a good copyright extension. It helps people.

    --

    "Information wants to be paid"
  30. HOW TO POOP AT WORK by Commienst · · Score: -1

    HOW TO POOP AT WORK

    We've all been there but don't like to admit it. We've all kicked back in our cubicles and suddenly felt something brew down below. As much as we try to convince ourselves otherwise, the WORK POOP is inevitable. For those who hate pooping at work, following is the 2001 Survival Guide for taking a dump at work. Memorize these definitions and pooping at work will become a pure pleasure.

    ESCAPEE.
    Definition: a fart that slips out while taking a leak at the urinal or forcing a poop in a stall. This is usually accompanied by a sudden wave of panic embarrassment. This is similar to the hot flash you receive when passing an unseen police car and speeding. If you release an escapee, do not acknowledge it. Pretend it did not happen. If you are standing next to the farter in the urinal, pretend you did not hear it. No one likes an escapee, it is uncomfortable for all involved. Making a joke or laughing makes both parties feel uneasy.

    JAILBREAK (Used in conjunction with ESCAPEE).
    Definition: When forcing poop, several farts slip out at a machine gun pace. This is usually a side effect of diarrhea or a hangover. If this should happen, do not panic. Remain in the stall until everyone has left the bathroom so to spare everyone the awkwardness of what just occurred.

    COURTESY FLUSH.
    Definition: The act of flushing the toilet the instant the nose cone of the poop log hits the water and the poop is whisked away to an undisclosed location. This reduces the amount of air time the poop has to stink up the bathroom. This can help you avoid being caught doing the WALK OF SHAME.

    WALK OF SHAME.
    Definition: Walking from the stall, to the sink, to the door after you have just stunk up the bathroom. This can be a very uncomfortable moment if someone walks in and busts you. As with all farts, it is best to pretend that the smell does not exist. Can be avoided with the use of the COURTESY FLUSH.

    OUT OF THE CLOSET POOPER.
    Definition: A colleague who poops at work and damn proud of it. You will often see an Out Of The Closet Pooper enter the bathroom with a newspaper or magazine under their arm. Always look around the office for the Out Of The Closet Pooper before entering the bathroom.

    THE POOPING FRIENDS NETWORK (PFN).
    Definition: A group of coworkers who band together to ensure emergency pooping goes off without incident. This group can help you to monitor the whereabouts of Out Of The Closet Poopers, and identify SAFE HAVENS.

    SAFE HAVENS.
    Definition: A seldom used bathroom somewhere in the building where you can least expect visitors. Try floors that are predominantly of the opposite sex. This will reduce the odds of a pooper of your sex entering the bathroom.

    TURD BURGLAR:
    Definition: A pooper who does not realize that you are in the stall and tries to force the door open. This is one of the most shocking and vulnerable moments that can occur when taking a dump at work. If this occurs, remain in the stall until the Turd Burglar leaves. This way you will avoid all uncomfortable eye contact.

    CAMO-COUGH.
    Definition: A phony cough that alerts all new entrants into the bathroom that you are in a stall. This can be used to cover-up a WATERMELON, or to alert potential Turd Burglars. Very effective when used in conjunction with an ASTAIRE.

    ASTAIRE.
    Definition: A subtle toe-tap that is used to alert potential Turd Burglars that you are occupying a stall. This will remove all doubt that the stall is occupied. If you hear an Astaire, leave the bathroom immediately so the pooper can poop in peace.

    WATERMELON.
    Definition: A turd that creates a loud splash when hitting the toilet water. This is also an embarrassing incident. If you feel a Watermelon coming on, create a diversion. See CAMO-COUGH.

    HAVANA OMELET.
    Definition: A load of diarrhea that creates a series of loud splashes in the toilet water. Often accompanied by an Escapee. Try using a Camo-Cough with an Astaire.

    UNCLE TED.
    Definition: A bathroom user who seems to linger around forever. Could spend extended lengths of time in front of the mirror or sitting on the pot. An Uncle Ted makes it difficult to relax while on the crapper, as you should always wait to drop your load when the bathroom is empty. This benefits you as well as the other bathroom attendees.

    FLY BY.
    Definition: The act of scouting out a bathroom before pooping. Walk in and check for other poopers. If there are others in the bathroom, leave and come back again. Be careful not to become a FREQUENT FLYER. People may become suspicious if they catch you constantly going into the bathroom.

    --

    I am into the copy and paste.
    1. Re:HOW TO POOP AT WORK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      +5 Informative!

  31. Why copyright in the first place? by EricEldred · · Score: 2

    This information (the plane plans) is apparently considered under copyright as unpublished material.

    But copyright was intended, I assert, to allow limited protection for material to be published and thus accessible to all readers who wish to buy the work.

    Since these plans serve as a sort of public law document (they must be recorded with the FAA by the plane manufacturer and need to be accessible to them in order to check plane maintenance) then the question arises: Why copyright the plans in the first place? What public interest is being served by locking them up?

    Yes, recent U.S. law allows airplane plans just as boat hulls to be protected as "intellectual property." But at least they could be published and thus available for a fee, instead of being locked up as trade secrets. Citizens ought to have a right to know (which is why the involvement of the Freedom of Information Office is interesting here).

    1. Re:Why copyright in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Giving protection to intellectual property while forcing public disclosure of the information is the basis of patents. Are you saying that companies should be forced to patent instead of holding material as trade secrets? That's absurd. If you thought the patent system was a mess now, it would be unimaginably worse in that case.

      As to: "Why copyright the plans in the first place?" Copyright is something that automatically happens upon creation of a work. It's not something you actively have to go out and do unless you want extra legal protection by registering. Copyright was not at all intended to make a work widely accessible during the copyright. It allows the copyright holder to be as unreasonable as they want in distributing the work. What it was intended for is to make works that would not have been otherwise created widely accessible after the copyright has expired.

    2. Re:Why copyright in the first place? by EricEldred · · Score: 2

      Are you saying that companies should be forced to patent instead of holding material as trade secrets?

      Probably some of the material is patented. In which case they would have entered the public domain 17 or 20 years after the patent was received. The public interest would be served better by patenting the works rather than by trade secrets. If they were not sufficiently original to merit patent then why protect them at all?

      But instead what I am talking about is copyright. Clearly the copyright term is much too long on these plans--it has exceeded the life of the companies that produced them. But I doubt that copyright was registered on the plans.

      Copyright is something that automatically happens upon creation of a work

      No, that is U.S. copyright law since 1978, but we are talking about plans made long before then, when copyright did not exist until the work was registered.

      Unpublished works can be covered by copyright if registered as such with the Registrar of Copyrights. If they haven't been published before next year, they go into the public domain.

      Federal government documents generally cannot be copyrighted. I suggest these plans be treated as such and that treating them as unpublished copyrighted material is unnecessary.

  32. Ayn Rand and the perversion of libertarianism by Commienst · · Score: -1

    Ayn Rand and the perversion of libertarianism

    The political controversy of the late 19th century was:

    whether socialists (all those who believed in the individual's right to possess what he or she produced) should engage in the political process, seize control of the state, and use the state apparatus to achieve liberation;
    or, whether a worker's state was inherently contradictory, counter revolutionary, and would only lead to the creation of a new ruling class whose interests would still clash with those of the ruled - that the state should be abolished allowing for no transitional stage of any kind during which power may have the chance to reconsolidate itself.

    The situation has recreated itself with amazing similarity almost exactly a century later. Non-libertarian parties the world over (those who see authoritarian centralization as the bulwark of civilization) are bankrupt, economically and intellectually. The only viable intellectual current today falls under that ambiguous term - "libertarian."

    Today there exist beneath this umbrella as many splinter groups as there were a hundred years ago under the umbrella of socialism. Two distinct trends, a right and a left if you will, are clearly discernible. One group, clearly the largest with a hierarchical organization modeled on the other political parties, believes, like most Marxists, in constitutional parliamentary republican democracy. They believe that the state is a necessary guarantor of individual safety and the product of the individual's labor, and in gradual progress toward a free society through participation in the political process. The other group, much smaller and far more splintered, rejects the state as necessarily a tool of class domination and exploitation. This group believes that what Bakunin said a hundred years ago is as true today, "If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Czar himself."

    The first group is in all fairness a direct inheritor of the ideals of the American Revolution. In modern times, however, it has only two roots: (1) the Austrian school of economics represented by Ludwig Von Mises; (2) the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Von Mises never considered the libertarians. He answered the Marxists and the Keynesians and defended laissez-faire capitalism at a time when no one else would. His justification for capitalism was empirical - the greatest good for the greatest number. Ayn Rand, however, attempted to offer a moral justification of capitalism by substituting the word `capitalism' for the libertarian meaning of the word "socialism." She then attributed all of the ills of capitalism to government interference with the market and all of the world's wealth to the minds of the men whom the world considered the robber barons.

    The contrast between Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" and libertarianism is deeper than mere substitution of terminology, however. Several of her propositions or axioms place her clearly outside of the libertarian tradition. Her justification of the state is derived from a Hobbesian state of nature theory:

    ... a society without an organized government would be at the mercy of the first criminal who came along and who would precipitate it into chaos and gang warfare.... [The Virtue of Selfishness, 152; pb 112]

    If a society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door - or to join a protective gang of citizens who would fight other gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the degeneration of society into the chaos of gang rule, i.e., rule by brute force, into perpetual warfare of prehistoric savages. [Ibid., 146; pb 108]

    Ayn Rand's belief in the inherent depravity of human nature which renders us forever incapable of living without rulers and not descending to the level of `savages', clearly places her outside of the libertarian tradition which views human nature as essentially good, capable of indefinite improvement through the experience of freedom and the exercise of reason. Her knowledge of anthropology is as embarrassing as her understanding of history. For example, in regards to her conception of who are the savages, she describes America as, "...a superlative material achievement in the midst of an untouched wilderness, against the resistance of savage tribes." [For The New Intellectual, 58; pb 50]

    To Rand, the essential characteristic of the state is that it possesses a monopoly on the use of retaliatory force. How does she justify this monopoly or national sovereignty? She accepts it as a given, something not requiring a justification, and demands that an-archy, the negation of the proposition, justify itself. Her concept of national sovereignty is then something transcendental, existing separate and apart from individuals, and beyond the right of the individual to accept or reject according to his or her own reason. These propositions clearly place Ayn Rand's philosophy closer to Hobbes, Hegel, and Marx, than to libertarianism.

    The state, according to Miss Rand, must hold a monopoly on the enforcement of contracts and the settling of disputes between individuals, at least whenever this arbitration is not accepted by both sides voluntarily. She fails to consider that the enforcement of contracts by the state fundamentally alters the nature of free agreements. Agreements are made on terms which otherwise might not be, because they are justiciable.

    The terms of "free agreements" under law are titled in favor of lenders over debtors, landlords over tenants, employers over employees, in a way which would not exist in a "free market." This leveraging of power is not `objective' at all. Depending purely on legal convention, creditors may have debtors imprisoned, tenants may be evicted without notice and their effects confiscated, one human being may own another or the land on which another lives and works, all to varying degrees.

    To understand Ayn Rand's psychology it is helpful to know her background. She was born to a wealthy St. Petersburg family in 1905. The position of her family in Czarist society must have been considerable. At a time when the lives of most Russians had changed little since feudalism, her family was wealthy enough to afford a French Governess and take regular vacations to the Crimea.

    It should be noted that wealth in Czarist society was almost wholly a measure of one's favor with the government. There were few if any Horatio Alger stories about individuals who lifted themselves out of serfdom without the patronage of the Czar.

    At the age of twelve, she must have been very upset when those nasty workers took over her father's business. Her family fled St. Petersburg for the Crimea and the protection of the White Army. This experience rendered her forever incapable of seeing land reform or any struggle of oppressed and exploited people as anything more than hatred for the good and lust for the unearned.

    She shared with Marx the bourgeois ideology that only a few people were capable of running things. The masses ought to be happy to have a job working for bosses. Any suggestion that an enterprise could be run by the employees without having someone in charge was to her absurd.

    She shared with Godwin and Kropotkin the belief that the individual is born tabula rasa - a blank slate, and all human knowledge is derived from sense experience. She then proceeded, however, to completely dismiss environment and socialization as the determining factor in the development of character.

    People were to her good or evil, brilliant or indolent, depending solely on their volition. People should be judged by their actions with equal severity regardless of their condition. Though she insisted that the United States was not and never had been a completely free country, she granted no such thing as extenuating circumstances when judging an individual and had no qualms upholding the power of the state to inflict capital punishment.

    A far more sinister legacy of Ayn Rand to libertarianism is that of a moralizing autocrat who gathered about her an inner circle which she ironically called, "The collective." Outwardly, this collective professed egoism and individuality. They were to be the vanguard of an intellectual renaissance. The price of admission to this group, however, was slavish conformity of one's life and professed philosophy to Ayn Rand's whims and eccentricities. For example, she did not like men who wore facial hair or listened to Mozart, and if you didn't give them up you were unfit for Rand's inner circle. This is particularly sinister if one considers that Karl Marx, believed by millions to be the very symbol of liberation, was also an autocrat who, though professed to be the ultimate champion of democracy, resorted to extraordinary means to maintain control of the International Workingmen's Association. He even moved its headquarters to New York to exclude the libertarian influence.

    Today Ayn Rand is gone, but like Marx a century ago, hers is the primary influence on the largest libertarian organization existing. Even the pledge which all Libertarian Party members must sign is taken directly from her admonition, "I hereby certify that I do not believe in or advocate the initiation of force as a means of achieving political or social goals." In spite of their pledge to non-violence, many libertarians are frustrated with election laws and media censorship. An argument which circulates among libertarians of the right is that, if they were more threatening, the government may take steps to accommodate them as it did the black civil rights movement.

    Ayn Rand's writings are not entirely consistent on the point of non-violence either. In The Fountainhead, Howard Roark resorts to the use of dynamite. In Atlas Shrugged, Ragnar Danneskjold engages in piracy on the high seas and even shells a factory which has been nationalized. In a clandestine rescue mission, Dagny Taggart shoots a guard who stood in the way of her desired end.

    In the event of economic upheaval, ruined by unemployment and inflation, tenants and home owners may refuse to make rent and mortgage payments. The unemployed may seize vacant land and begin to farm, and factory workers may realize they can run things without stock holders. It would not be at all surprising if there were to emerge within the libertarian right, groups committed to direct action and counter revolutionary violence, even a coup d'etat.

    Imagine a charismatic and autocratic personality at the center of such a group and you have the Objectivist Lenin. Like the Marxists and right libertarians, Lenin and the Objectivists are professed republican democrats. Lenin and the Bolsheviks promised that if given power, they would immediately convoke a constituent assembly. When they realized, however, they would not hold a majority in such an assembly they turned against the idea of such an assembly.

    Can anyone doubt that the cultist mentality which characterizes most of Miss Rand's followers could lead to the creation of a group of self-appointed avengers of the capitalist class? That they would suppress strikes, demonstrations, and factory take overs? That they would not execute people for crimes against the libertarian state?

    Ayn Rand believed in a republican form of government with a cleverly constructed constitution which would deny the majority of the power to infringe on the rights of a minority as she conceived them. If the majority supported a general strike against rents and mortgages and supported the factory takeovers, would not the clandestinely organized Objectivist libertarian party be tempted to dispense with democracy in order to enforce what they conceived of as the rights of the dispossessed bourgeoisie?

    In all fairness it must be admitted that Ayn Rand herself would never sanction such actions, but the same argument is made everyday by western Marxists that Marx would probably not have sanctioned many of Lenin's actions and would certainly not take credit for the Soviet Union.

    Lenin and the Bolsheviks won power by promising, "Land to the peasants!" "Factories to the workers!" When they took power, however, they immediately set about liquidating the factory committees and nationalizing the land. They crushed work place democracy by installing armed guards in the factories, and even returned former owners to their positions as employees of the worker's state. Leon Trotsky stopped the practice of soldiers electing their officers from their ranks and even restored former Czarist officers to their ranks in the Red Army.

    When the Russian Revolution began few people clearly understood the gulf which separated the state socialists from the libertarians. Many dedicated libertarians like Alexander Berkman, rallied to the Bolshevik cause, willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in hopes that seizing state power would only be a transitional stage toward the development of the stateless/classless society.

    Many sincere lovers of liberty now flock to the standard of the Libertarian Party, as they did the Bolsheviks, completely ignorant of the history of the last century. As Santayana said: "Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them."

    What should be done? It should be obvious that government enforcement of private contracts is not libertarian any more than is taking state power to set people free. Libertarianism is and always will mean socialism - the self-emancipation of working people.

    Libertarians must stop courting the Republican right and return to their intellectual roots. By standing outside of the political process we deny the state legitimacy, and like the state torturers in Atlas Shrugged, they will come and beg for libertarians to take over.

    Remembering the experience of the Spanish libertarians, and heeding the advice of John Galt, libertarians must refuse state power even when begged. The state can never be a tool of liberation. Only its complete and utter collapse will allow for the emergence of non-statist institutions, libertarian co-ops, communes, and free markets, to flourish and displace the political state once and for all.

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    I am into the copy and paste.
  33. hold off on Creative Commons.... by EricEldred · · Score: 3, Interesting

    tramm is right in proposing that this abandonware project is similar to what has been discussed about the Creative Commons. But as one of the directors of the Commons, may I suggest we hold off much public discussion until the Commons is ready--maybe within a few weeks...

  34. There's a big difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With the blueprints to software, you just run them through a compiler and a few minutes later, presto, you have the completed program. Want to manufacture another identical program? A few clicks, a few keypresses, and it's done. Not only that, but no bureaucrat is going to look over your shoulder or ask you to justify yourself as to why your assembled it that way instead of this way. Generally no one is going to tell you what you can or can't do with your precious program. No licenses, no training. Almost complete and total freedom.

    Now let's move from the make-believe world of software and Slashdot to the real world of airplane building. You have the blueprints? Great. How about the BOM? You do know what a BOM is, don't you? Go make a BOM, once you've figured it out. Go assemble everything together by yourself, or pay someone to do it for you. Keep in mind that it will require ~1000+ hours for assembly. Keep in mind that a 40hr workweek is about 2000hrs a year. Some assembly operations may require special jigs, or tools. Go buy or build those.

    Now you have a plane. Guess what? You can't do squat with it, until some bureaucrats say you can. They're not too evil, but they will require you prove the plane is safe, and they will restrict what you can do with it and where you can go.

    It's not the same. Slashdot, stick to the kiddie stuff and leave the real world to the big boys.

    1. Re:There's a big difference by King+of+the+World · · Score: 0

      Well, I know what a UTF-BOM is, does that count?

  35. Recent Lessig Article in the American Spectator by jamesmartinluther · · Score: 1
    "The issue for us will not be which system of exclusive control--the government or the market--should govern a given resource, but whether that resource should be controlled or free."

    http://www.spectator.org/AmericanSpectatorArticles /Lessig/Control.htm

  36. Faith and Credit: The World Bank's Secular Empire by Commienst · · Score: -1

    [pp. 6-8] There are no societies without religion, even, or especially, those which believe themselves to be entirely secular. In our century, in our society, the concept of development has acquired religious and doctrinal status. The [World] Bank is commonly accepted as the Vatican, the Mecca or the Kremlin of this twentieth- century religion. A doctrine need not be true to move mountains or to provoke manifold material and human disasters. Religious doctrines (in which we would include secular ones like Leninism) have, through the ages, done and continue to do precisely that, whereas, logically speaking, not all of them can be true insofar as they all define Truth as singular and uniquely their own.

    Religion cannot, by definition, be validated or invalidated, declared true or false - only believed or rejected. Facts are irrelevant to belief: they belong to another sphere of reality. True believers, the genuinely pure of heart, exist in every faith, but the majority generally just goes along lukewarmly out of cultural habit or material advantage. When, however, the faith achieves political hegemony as well, like the medieval Church (or the Bolsheviks, or the Ayatollahs), it is in a position to make people offers they can't refuse, or to make their lives extremely uncomfortable if they do.

    The religion of development cannot be validated or invalidated either. It doesn't matter whether it works or not, nor how many ordinary people's lives are damaged or destroyed, nor how much nature may be abused because of it.

    Development theory and practice cannot be validated because they are not scientific. They have not established reliable and recognized criteria for determining whether development has in fact occurred, except for internal economic indicators like the rate of return of an individual project or the growth of Gross National Product - themselves artificial constructions and articles of faith. This being so, there is no established way to identify, correct or avoid error either. When Susan George wrote the Afterword to A Fate Worse than Debt, she put it this way:

    "Scientists are trained to avoid error by testing their hypotheses systematically. Normally, development theorists and practitioners should also be trained to test their hypotheses by observing what they do to people, since human welfare is presumably the goal of development. 'People' here does not mean well-off, well-fed elites but poor and hungry majorities whose fundamental needs are presently not being met. If decades of application of the reigning development paradigm have failed to alleviate their suffering and oppression or, worse still, have intensified them.., the paradigm ought to be ripe for revolution."

    She then asked, naively, "In short, how many people have to die before the ruling paradigm is beaten back and we are rid of it once and for all?" thereby largely missing the point. The point is that priesthoods are not elected and they need not answer to the faithful; they are specially invested with the truth and with sacramental functions from which, by definition, the common herd is excluded. The faith they serve is itself a greater good in whose name present suffering is mysteriously transformed into future salvation. Or to borrow an old favourite from secular religion, eggs must and will be broken. One's children, or theirs, or theirs, will eventually sit down to enjoy the omelette.

    This, for us, is the final and most compelling reason not to concentrate on pointing out yet again how multifarious are the World Bank's ill-conceived projects, how unresponsive its leaders, how impervious to criticism its doctrine. Such things may be entirely or partially true, but are at bottom expressions of a world-view. It is the foundations of that world-view we shall try to dig for.

    The Bank resembles the Church and this will be a guiding analogy in these pages. Both believe themselves invested with a mission, both (the Church historically, the Bank at present) have set themselves against the state. Both celebrate the poor rhetorically while refraining from actually improving their capacity to change their earthly lot.

    The Church, more than the Bank, is like God himself "a mighty fortress, a bulwark never failing" in the words of the splendid hymn. The Bank has lost many of its fortress aspects - particularly compared to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) - and is more open to exchanges with outsiders. The overall vision that guides its practice cannot, however, seem to transcend the narrowest of economic orthodoxies serving a smaller and smaller fraction of transnational elite interests worldwide. The Bank's declared new, or at least renewed, "poverty focus" shows that it is groping for a mission but in practice it has no grand design beyond the casting of all economies in the neo-classical mould and the refashioning of all men and women as Homo economicus.

    [pp. 245-251] "The Thing"

    In the late 1980s the Italian Communist Party was undergoing a full-blown identity crisis. Italian Communists had no idea what to call whatever future Party might emerge from the ruins of the post-Gorbachev world. In all the documents, in all the discussions of the time, this as-yet undefined Party was referred to as la Cosa -- the Thing -- an institution in search of a new personality. Since The Godfather, Cosa Nostra -- Our Thing -- has entered all our vocabularies, whatever our language. Calling the Mafia Cosa Nostra is one way of not having to say what it really is.

    At Bretton Woods, the founding fathers didn't know what to call the Bank either -- it got its name more or less by default and "Bank" it has remained. Throughout these pages we have tried to determine what the Bank is and at the end of the enterprise we, too, are tempted to call it the Thing because, although we think we have made progress, to some degree it remains fascinating and mysterious. One of the chief attributes of power is not having to say what it is, not having to reveal its true identity, not having to give up its secrets to even the most diligent search.

    Thus the question "Why is the Thing so powerful?" is crucial. One thing about the Thing is certain: it is not powerful because it is a bank; that is, in ordinary language, a purely economic entity. Nor is it powerful because it has some of the characteristics one would expect of an international public service organization. It is a political and cultural enterprise, even a modern version of what the pioneer sociologist Marcel Mauss called the "total social phenomenon" (le fait social total). The obvious, financial and economic side of the Bank is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. The multiple roles it plays and the many functions of power it assumes, like the difficulty of defining it, make the Bank a total social phenomenon, a Thing. This is why throughout the book we have spoken of beliefs, faith, doctrine, prophecy, and fundamentalism; of ancestors, initiation, esprit de corps, intellectual leadership and rule. This is also why, in addition to the facts and the documentary evidence, to the economic and political analysis we have tried to provide, we have made a few unorthodox sorties we called "Interludes" into the world of the imagination. If the Bank were just a bank we would have had no reason to call on fiction. We hope the reader will have found in each chapter and interlude partial answers to the question "Why is the Thing so powerful?" This is the thread we have tried to follow, the one that should bind the book together.

    Borrowing from French sociologist Pierre Bourdieu, we can say that the Bank is powerful because of its capacity constantly to exchange economic capital for symbolic capital and vice versa. Its economic activities generate money -- well over a billion dollars a year in profits -- but also immense prestige. Its prestige in turn generates more financial and economic power. The Bank has dug passageways and built bridges that allow it continually to shuttle between material and non-material wealth, to transform one kind of capital investment into another and to reap all the rewards of both.

    The Bank is thus in a position to assume functions which are at once economic and symbolic: integration, guidance and, most important, maintenance of a programme of truth. The Bank is the visible hand of the programme of unrestrained, free market capitalism. The Bank's first function is to be an instrument of integration through the market. This market is (or should be) co-extensive with the world; like that of the Church, its vocation is universal. All nations and all people must become ever more tightly bound to it. In this setting, the doctrine of export-orientation finds its natural home. All countries must trade as much as they can and rely for their subsistence first on the world market, last on their own resources.

    Until quite recently, even in wealthy countries, communities provided for most of their wants from their domestic, local economies. What they could not find close at hand, they sought at the regional or national level. Only rarely, usually for luxury items, would they have recourse to the world market. This historical pattern has been turned on its head: we are now exhorted to satisfy our needs first from the international, global market, then the national or regional one and so on, down the ladder to the domestic economy, lowliest of all. The Bank's second function is to act as a guide. Those who believe that its own doctrine is that of laisser-faire are mistaken. The Bank is, in fact, far more interventionist than the interventionist governments whose policies it seeks to transform. If the Bank were to leave people and societies alone, anything could happen -- they might operate not on the basis of the marketplace but on principles of reciprocity, redistribution or solidarity. In modern societies, the state has attempted, with greater or lesser success, to organize redistribution and solidarity. Thus the state, like the traditional society based on reciprocity, is under threat from the Bank.

    Here we face a contradiction. The marketplace cannot be the natural habitat of humankind. If it were, the Bank's interventions would be unnecessary. Everywhere the market would already be the sole guiding principle of society and, if it were, in the Bank's own view, there would be no underdevelopment, no South, no need for modernization or for structural adjustment -- and no need for the Bank.

    Why do we think we need the Bank? For the same reasons we think we need the Church. Frail, imperfect humanity needs constraints, guardrails, continual instruction in, and interpretation of, the doctrine. Those who have not yet reached the full expression of market capitalism and consequent development, those who fall by the wayside, must be goaded along the path to salvation.

    To change society one must also change individual men and women. Man must be ontologically reconstructed and redeemed as homo economicus. What is redemption if not the passage from one state to another, from darkness to light? The virtues of the New Economic Man, whose dwelling place is the market, are the will and the capacity to accumulate, to follow self-interest and to maximize profit in all things. His wants are unlimited; to satisfy them, he must learn to struggle against his fellows. Scarcity is a fact of life. There is not enough to satisfy the unlimited desires of all nor to provide a place in the sun for everyone. If unemployment in their country is twenty per cent or more, the New Men and Women will pit themselves against each other to find work at any price, at all costs.

    The Bank's third function is to be the standard-bearer of a programme of truth. If the world market is the Bank's fundamental organizing principle, price is its instrument. One of the Bank's major articles of faith is "getting the prices right", which it translates in French as la verite des prix, the truth of prices. A price has a metaphysical quality because it is supposed to be the invisible point at the intersection between hundreds, thousands, millions of individual transactions. Price, if governments do not meddle by providing subsidies and otherwise distort the natural balance of things, will regulate human activity and necessarily bring order out of apparent chaos.

    Those who deny a programme of truth defy the law, in the case of the Bank the laws of economics, structural adjustment and the market. With the International Monetary Fund, the Bank is the keeper of laws which, like the Ten Commandments, are immutable. Once revealed, they must be followed.

    Defiant countries that refuse them outright are blacklisted, literally excommunicated from the international community. Governments which receive the law halfheartedly must be exhorted to better performance. The Bank will reward or punish them by the granting or withholding of loans and credits. Thus it helps return them to the straight and narrow path or, in its own words, puts them back on-track.

    If the New Man finds his life in the market, what of his death? All great truths must in one way or another speak of last things; the Bank's is no exception. The Bank's nominal mission is to promote development. Development in its biological sense means an organism's attainment of its inherent potential, inexorably followed by decay and death. In the Bank's vocabulary, however, this biological meaning is replaced by a concept of never-ending growth. The Bank's priesthood specifically denies limits to growth and promises an ersatz eternity in the here-and-now. If such endless growth is supposed to lead to an American or European middle-class standard of living for over five billion people today and who knows how many tomorrow, we already know this to be an ecological and biospheric impossibility, even assuming tremendous and rapid changes in technology. The Bank refuses to confront this last of all last things -- not merely individual or societal death but the possibility of species extinction, including that of the human species. Incantations like "sustainable development" stave off the moment when the finite must at last be faced.

    The Church's traditional imagery of heaven and of hell is graphic and explicit. Although it cannot prove that anyone has ever gone there, it still issues the visas to the promised land. The Bank paints no pictures with saints, angels and demons but it does put up signposts pointing towards paradise, exhorting the faithful to imitate the blessed -- the now-developed rich market-economy countries or at least those who are well on their way, like the Asian tigers.

    The very vagueness of the concept of development and the great number of candidates who hope to attain it legitimize the Bank's functions, justify its existence and explain its power. As long as the fragile planet's heavenward journey lasts, as long as the poor are with us, as long as salvation is sought where it cannot be found, the World Bank will find for itself a role and a mission.

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    I am into the copy and paste.
  37. Religion of the free market by Commienst · · Score: -1

    Lately, there have been a lot of relatively unopposed claims that liberalism has failed.

    We seem to universally accept that the only valid economic system is free market capitalism, and we also have an extreme faith in the doctrines of this system: competition is always good and niche marketers are somehow inferior.

    Some people even blame the recent crisis in Russia on its failure to accept free market capitalism quickly enough. However, as many probably realize but are afraid to admit, the emperor of the unfettered market has no clothes. As the estimable Robert Sheer pointed out in his Sept 1, 1998 column in the Los Angeles Times, we insist the "Russians pay homage to a free market theology that we don't practice in our country."

    When one compares Russia and Sweden (a nation which is more akin to Russia than one might think), one immediately notes that "socialistic" Sweden has a far superior standard of living - superior in many ways to our own. Yet, while the liberal programs of FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society brought unprecedented prosperity to a wide variety of people in this nation, until the recent stock market crash, left of center politics were considered hopelessly passé.

    The irony is that the ascendant "conservative" economic theories are actually the theories from which the original "liberalism" was composed.

    A true conservative would not take the view that "growth," change or even competition are always good things, yet the economic conservatism of modern times is based on a philosophy in which mutation is most central and competition is celebrated.

    Since the days of Huxley and Spencer, capitalists have tried to make the religion of the free market sound like science by using analogies with evolution.

    However, as a biological sciences major, I am not fooled. In the real world, most species will establish niches, territorial systems or collusive relations to minimize the amount of direct competition that is occurring. Species generally cannot coexist in direct competition.

    Continuing the analogy, economy does mirror ecology. Every market is divided by corporations into niches or territories where there is a risk of direct competition. Yet, explicit niche marketing is not generally accepted.

    For example, Apple Computer is always under pressure to gain market share beyond its niche of academic and artistic users but has actually suffered greatly from its attempts to expand beyond its core consumer base.

    Moreover, while corporations always seem to form natural monopolies, we are consistently trying to break up such monopolies, both abroad and at home, in the name of increased competition.

    I am aware of the dangers of monopolies; however, I realize that sometimes monopolies provide the most efficient means of delivering goods and services.

    Take utilities, for instance. Even if we are saving money from the demonopolizing and deregulation of the phone industry, what is the cost in sheer annoyance from this free market harassing us during our family mealtimes? And this harassment is abetted by the Republicans who claim to support family values!

    More seriously, phone deregulation has opened up the flood gates for fraud, and I expect further deregulation in other utility sectors to do the same.

    I am not arguing in favor of Communism and against all competition. Considering that people do not behave so rationally as economists would like, the free market functions awfully well.

    Moreover, I have seen what collective ownership (or at least collective maintenance) can do to a place - have you ever seen a clean kitchen in Arroyo Vista? Even though the custodial staff cleans the kitchens every weekday, a kitchen must be cleaned more often than once a day to be properly maintained. However, since no one person "owns" the kitchens in Arroyo Vista, nobody takes the responsibility to make sure the kitchen is kept clean.

    Ownership is no guarantee of stewardship either. In this age of increasingly large corporations with cubical imprisoned employees, how much individual ownership exists to motivate our economy anyway?

    I am only arguing that, in light of all the evidence of shortcomings in the so- called conservative economic philosophy that currently enjoys almost universal acceptance, we should not write off liberalism as irrelevant or dead.

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    I am into the copy and paste.
  38. Make it like music copyright by ToasterTester · · Score: 1

    I was in the music biz earlier in my life and a copyright lasted for 25 years. Then could be renewed for another 25 years. After that it became pubic domain. Now the 25 years twice IMO is a little long and 25 years total makes more sense, but I believe is fair. I think patients should work the same way 25 years and then public. That gives the indivisual or company who invested time and money creating the idea time to reap the rewards of there investment, then the public gets it to use freely.

  39. NASA Code for Lunar Module by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 1

    10 If something breaks, then 20
    20 Print "We're fucked"

    1. Re:NASA Code for Lunar Module by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

      Following the flow of this code, you're F$cked either way...
      Might want to add
      15 Goto 10

      or just do it the right way...
      main(){
      while(!broken(something));
      retur n (Fucked);
      }

  40. Mod up parent, this is some cool stuff by John+Miles · · Score: 1

    Also, one link in the article led to this much-more-detailed Apollo Guidance Computer page: http://66.137.204.220/plethorama/apollogc.htm

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  41. News for Lawyers.. by reflective+recursion · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Anyone else feel as if Slashdot is a little too oriented towards lawyers now? Whenever I visit /. the majority of the "news" is about copyright, trademark, or various other legal issues. I read this article and am scratching my head trying to find the cool or nerd aspect of it.

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  42. huh?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what does the Federal Aviation Administration have to do with copyrights?

  43. What this will bring to aviation. by drink85cent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Many of you have this all wrong.

    This only really applies to homebuilders. The Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) is out there to promote building of homebuilt aircraft. They want these documents out there in the open to promote homebuilding, not lets build such and such WWII aircraft and know how to build this jet.

    Most of these aircraft, most likely are little single-engined aircraft that most people dont understand one from another. This is really only applicable to you if you want to BUILD it and you want the plans or want to do some sort of coversion and you need the FAA approved STC.

    These plans and STCs are very expensive to get so people like to hold on to them and charge for their usage. SO when you cant find the person anymore, you're SOL.

    1. Re:What this will bring to aviation. by farnham · · Score: 1

      keep in mind that many members of the EAA are Warbird collectors, Restorers, and pilots. One of the central draws of the major EAA events is their B-17 that flies daily "Aluminum Overcast" you can hitch a ride on it for a nice donation.
      Or check out the Superfortress, FiFi, owned by the Confederate Air Force.

      I had the pleasure to attend Sun N Fun in Lakeland, FL a few years ago. The warbird flightline is impressive and has hundreds of WWII heavy iron including several bombers and many fighters.
      The antiques are beautiful and lovingly restored. The competiton for awards is on par with Concours De Elegance but you can't trailer in the plane. Very cool.

      This information is great for these kinds of enthusiasts. And yes, there are many projects that include jets. I've seen F-104 starfighters, F-86, several different migs, There are projects for F-4s and others.

      All it takes is money. This is a great program for all of general aviation.

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      pending committee review
  44. Until Disney buys the hospital by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    Dr Disney I suppose :-)

  45. "Somebody" doesn't own them by phliar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Somebody owns the assets of those defunct aircraft companies, even if they're no longer supporting the airplanes
    No - no one can be found. There are many airplanes from "The Golden Age" (the 20s and 30s) which are orphans. If you happen to own one of them (perhaps the only one still flying) you need FAA-certified parts. (Unless you want to fly the airplane in the "experimental" category which means you can't carry passengers or offer instruction except in a few limited cases.) For example, the "New Standard D-25" of the late 20s.

    Then there are STCs - Supplemental Type Certificates. These are authorized post-production modifications. Getting an STC accepted by the FAA is expensive. For example, an STC might allow you to run an OX-5 in a JN-4 Jenny on "blue" 100LL fuel instead of "green" 135 (hypothetical example, I have no idea what an OX-5 likes to drink). If it's not a popular STC, it's possible that the company went defunct and no one bought the STC. If you now want to use blue gas in your Jenny, you can't use the data that's already been given to the FAA proving that it's safe (that was the basis the original STC was issued on) -- you have to start from scratch.

    The important things about this: i) no owner can be found (and it provides for a 60 day search period) and ii) the data will be released under FOIA.

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    Unlimited growth == Cancer.
    1. Re:"Somebody" doesn't own them by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      (Unless you want to fly the airplane in the "experimental" category which means you can't carry passengers or offer instruction except in a few limited cases.)

      Just a small point. But you can definitely carry passengers in an Experimental. In fact, I'm building a 4-seater right now. The regulation is that you have to inform all passengers that it is an experimental, and you have to have placards that state the fact. You can also offer instruction in one. In fact, several people have gotten their Private Pilot's Liscense in planes they built themselves (though, the cases of this are rare).

      There are many things an experimental can't do (mostly revolving around not making money off the craft), but these two are not amoung the forboden.

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      Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
      Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
  46. Re: bin Laden and WTC (Security through obscurity) by phliar · · Score: 2
    Actually, there's a report out now which discusses in detail the amount of information bin Laden had concerning the architectural structure of the WTC. After the original attack in '93(?) failed Al Qaeda studied the plans for the WTC. They did a thorough analysis of the best point to crash a large airplane into the building to start a chain reaction collapse.
    Reference, please.

    "I heard" that bin Laden was surprised at the total collapse of the towers.

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    Unlimited growth == Cancer.
  47. Am I the only one... by agallagh42 · · Score: 1

    ... who doesn't know what EAA stands for? It's not mentioned anywhere on their website what their acronym means. The closest I could find by searching http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/acronym is "Experimental Aircraft Association". Is that right?

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    Carpe Cerevisi - Seize the Beer
    1. Re:Am I the only one... by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

      That's right - Experimental Aircraft Association. The EAA is to small aircraft what the open source movement is to computers. Basically they're all about design & built it yourself aircraft. There's a lot of political opposition trying to take away the freedom to build and fly your own machines, and the EAA is a strong voice to help us preserve that freedom.

  48. Copyrights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't anyone actually read the article? There was nothing at all mentioned about copyrights, and I don't think they are involved. This is proprietary information which, if the owner were still around would not be released. But if they can't find the current owner, then release is possible.

  49. What is it then? by megaduck · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure I understand you. The whole point of having a copyright period is that it ends at some point and then whatever was copyrighted goes into the public domain. The public domain belongs to the public (duh) so therefore I have full rights to anything that has an elapsed copyright. That's the way it works.

    Of course, if someone 'ceases to exist' before their copyright is up, why shouldn't the same thing happen? We're not depriving the copyright holder of their rights because they don't exist anymore. If there was a sale or transfer of intellectual property then the copyright went to whoever the new owner is and this scenario doesn't apply. All this FAA/EAA move does is ensure that things pass into the public domain as they should.

    What, exactly, are you proposing? Keeping things in the public domain a secret? Banning all copying of information? Leaving orphaned information out there to die? I'm not sure what you're arguing for.

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    This .sig for rent.
  50. To a certain extent... yes. by rarose · · Score: 2

    But also the EAA has a large membership percentage that are very talented aerospace professionals by day, who are also aerospace fanatics for fun by night.

    There are also a small number of planes that probably would attract a large enough following that stand a chance at being kitted if the blueprints suddenly came available... a couple of legendary WWII warbirds immediately pop into my mind: F-4U Corsair, P-38 Lightning and the P-51 Mustang.

    I have no idea about the legal status of the current owners of the F-4U or P-38. Sadly I don't think the P-51 will be among those up for release since as of the late-80s Piper owned the assets of the former North American Aviation and had been revamping the P-51 design as a South American counter-insurgency ground attack plane.

    And based upon the flyers I know, I can tell you that the coolness factor of flying into Oshkosh in a shiny new P-38 would attract a lot of manpower.

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    --Rob
    1. Re:To a certain extent... yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P-38 is a lockheed design, so they probably still
      own the copyright.

      P-51 was a North American design, NA was owned by
      Rockwell, when did Piper buy them? (When did Piper
      have the money?)

      I think with the consolidation in the defense
      industry, I think you'll find most of the warbirds
      are owned by someone (Lock-Mart, Boing, GenD, TRW,
      Raytheon, etc).

      A Curtis Jenny might be open to the pulic, maybe
      some other obscure WWII airplanes too, but
      mostly this will be for things like travelair's
      or some of the abandoned civil designs.

    2. Re:To a certain extent... yes. by rarose · · Score: 2

      The quickest link I could find:
      http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/an2.ht m

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      --Rob
  51. Well it was Lord Callaghan who did it by elfuq · · Score: 1

    Former UK Prime Minister prior to Mrs. Thatcher. He pushed this one through as a special Bill in the House of Lords. Questionable precedent for a very good cause.

    1. Re:Well it was Lord Callaghan who did it by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      Questionable precedent for a very good cause.

      They almost always are, aren't they? Hell, this time it really was "for the kids".
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      This next song is very sad. Please clap along. -- Robin Zander

  52. Yes by elfuq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are a fine organization that helps homebuilders of various unusual aircraft.

    Ya see, if you want to get a new aircraft FAA approved, it costs millions of dollars and a couple of years of expensive testing. Until Cirrus Aviation got the SR200 certified in 2000, no one had got a new light General Aviation aircraft certified in years, everyone was just building them off the old type certificates.

    But, if you build it yourself. (More than 50% of the effort) you can fly any weird-assed kind of airplane, with a very minimal level of certification.

    Most homebuilders use kits, though theres still a lot of work to do to complete the aircraft, and qualify under the 50% rule.

    The EAA exists to help these people.

  53. Small planes pose very little risk. by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    Case in point: That stupid moron kid who stole the Cessna 172 and crashed it into a bank in Florida. All he accomplished was broke out a few windows, destroyed a beautiful little airplane, caused a media circus.... and raised the overall IQ of the human race slightly when he removed himself from the gene pool.

    Small airplanes pose less risk to the public than cars and motorcycles do. They can't carry much more weight that the pilot and passenegers or can do much damage to anything.. a car can inflict much greater collision damage due to its weight, and Timothy McVeigh proved to the world that a rental truck can be turned into a weapon of mass destruction. A small airplane (an aluminum one anyway) is basically made of thick "Reynolds Wrap" aluminum foil. It crumples to bits when it hits anything. Large airliners are a genuine risk because of their massive weight and the enormous amount of fuel they carry. We all know about that now :-(

    1. Re:Small planes pose very little risk. by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      Please, someone mod Nick's comment up!

      My exact reaction when I learned of that stupid kid who crashed into the Bank of America was this:-

      "What a tragedy. What a waste. That was a practically new aeroplane that could have given pleasure to hundreds of people!"

      (The planes at my flying school are relics from the 70s!)

      Although I'm from the UK, I read some of the American flying mags and have been following the stupid restrictions on general aviation including the arseholes who wanted to ban it outright. Then there are stupid media reports which say that because a particular plane is of composite construction it's invisible to radar and evil drug smugglers will use them - which has already been thoroughly debunked by the FAA, but stupid people will still believe it and turn against general aviation.

      Being at the yoke or stick of a light aircraft is a wonderfully liberating experience, and it pisses me off when people try to spoil it!

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      "Information wants to be paid"
  54. Copyright laws changed since then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lessig's figures for who long copyrights last is based on current law, after the changes that Disney pushed for in the late 90's.

  55. Antique aircraft = wood and fabric by McFly777 · · Score: 1

    For those who aren't into antique aircraft, think of the construction of the Kites your flew as a kid.

    Many of these old aircraft are made of 1/4 to 1/2 inch wood sticks creating a framework for a fabric covering, which is sewn on and shrunk in place to make it tight and stiff. Add a motorcycle sized engine and you have the right idea.

    In fact, many recent small aircraft designs are little more. Substitute small steel rods in the fusilage -- wood is still used in the wings -- and better engines. Another common modern construction tecnique involves fiberglass over foam. But of course this is much too recent to be affected by this article's subject rulings.

    The point is that driving a car into whatever you wanted to destroy would probably be more effective.

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  56. This is not about copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not about copyright and freedom of information. This is about the ability to create a part that can be legally used on a certified airplane. The FAA requires that airplane parts be documented, and that they be built according to approved plans. For Experimental planes, the person building the plane is the person approved to build the parts. You become certified to fix anything on that one plane, since you built it. But you can't build a part for an identical kit that your friend built in the next hangar.
    For regular planes, certified as a manufactured aircraft, the manufacturer is the only one allowed to build replacement parts. They have the Type Certificate allowing this. Someone else wanting to build replacement parts can, but only after going through a lot of money and time to prove that their part is identical to the manufactured part. This gets you a Supplemental Type Certificate. The key is that if you have the paper saying you can build the plane (or part), then you don't have to go through all that hassle. You just build the part according to the specs. The FAA does spot checks on your quality control, and all is well.
    In short, even though Boeing knows how to build modern jets, they can't build parts for McDonnell Douglas planes without buying the Type Certificate for those planes, or spending a bunch to prove to the FAA that their part is just as safe, and performs the same, with 200 paying customer lives on the line.
    The trouble is that for some small planes, the original company went bankrupt and the file cabinet with the type certificates got thrown out in 1947. So if the FAA will allow, say, Cessna to ask about building hinges for that old Meyers biplane, then this rule would allow them to get a copy of the type certificate. Then Cessna can afford to bother building them.
    The FAA agrees to keep the plans submtted as a trade secret, so that Lockheed won't have to worry about Boeing creating SR-71's. They are actually doing the right thing by guarding those secrets, but it is nice to see that they might create a method to open up old lost plans and certificates to let collectors have planes that can still be fully used.

  57. Awww... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon now, this is Slashdot. We know that things don't work right the first time. We always have to refine our procedures.
    Of course, if we are talking about hardware that costs more than a Cue-Cat then an elite hacker will make it work right the first time - and post Photoshop /Gimp "documentation" on their website to prove it. Shortly thereafter they will have pictures of Natalie Portman sunbathing on olympus Mons as additional proof.

  58. This is good, BUT... by 71thumper · · Score: 1

    There are a few things I'd like to point out. I hold this particular subject near and dear, as both an aviation enthusiast (for example, http://xb70.interceptor.com/), a computer geek, and a commercially rated pilot who has owned several aircraft.

    IANAL, but:

    1) it concerns me that all the EAA article mentions is the availablilty of the documents. There's no protection should a copyright holder appear post-fact to sue you for building his STC'd widget without license.

    2) A difference between most abandonware and this is that certainly the intent here is to only deal with entities that no longer exist. That's entirely different from entities that don't care. most "abandonware" it seems, is indeed owned by someone and is copyrighted; it's just that they don't care to support, sell, or do anything but sit on it. This example won't change that a bit.

    3) The reason that type certificates (TC) and Supplemental Type Certificates (STC) are zealously protected is because a lot of expense goes into them. Due to the nature of aircraft, even fairly small changes (such as replacing an engine with an almost identical model that 'bolts in' without physical changes) have to be documented and tested extensively. The only way for people to recoup those costs is to charge users of the STC a fee for a 'license.'

    4) as others have pointed out, virtually everything the EAA is talking about is very old and has been abandoned for decades.

    Steve