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ParisTG sent us: "Tiqit Computers unveiled the eightythree, basically a handheld PC (as in IBM compatible). It will even boot Linux. Comes with 128-256MB RAM, 266-300MHz, 640x480 18bit screen, and a 10GB hard drive. The brochure with images (pdf) is online."
now if only I could see the site... (argle! /. effect)
First Handheld Computer to Run Windows, Linux or Unix OS to Be Unveiled at CeBIT
March 8, 2002. eightythree, said to be the first computer that combines the portability of a handheld with the functionality and software compatibility of a Windows/Linux/UNIX PC, will be unveiled at the opening of CeBIT next week by Tiqit Computers.
According to Tiqit, although this feature was previously considered impossible to engineer, the eightythree is not a concept product. Instead, Tiqit says it has built - a mass produced -- a fully functioning x86 handheld device out of cutting-edge but available parts, designed specifically for enterprise use and immediate production. The computer will be introduced at CeBIT, the world's largest telecommunications and IT conference, scheduled for next week, March 13-20, in Hannover, Germany.
According to the company, eightythree offers clear benefits to the enterprise community. Workers reportedly gain increased mobility and function with a device that allows them to depend on a single operating system, and companies can reduce their total cost of ownership. Possessing the storage capacity and processing power to enable the extension of many software services to areas formerly unreachable, the eightythree also has the flexibility of using all of the software and hardware extensions currently available in the mainstream PC market, Tiqit maintains.
"This product will greatly accelerate adoption and use of handhelds in the enterprise," said Ian Blasch, CEO, Tiqit Computers. "It uses standard operating systems -- Windows XP, Linux or UNIX -- and is compatible with all associated applications, including legacy software. Almost anything you can do on a laptop or PC, you can do on eightythree -- only it is smaller and more mobile."
The eightythree form factor is 5.4-in long, 4-in wide, 1.1-in thin and weighs 20 oz. It is the size of a large PDA, has laptop-quality screen resolution, SMS keyboard, thumb-operated micro joystick with mouse buttons, touchscreen, a cardbus PC card slot to support all standard wireless modems, a USB port, a Secure Digital (SD) slot and internal speaker. Therefore, says Tiqit, it connects with other standard devices, from digital cameras to bar code scanners to docking stations. On the software end, it incorporates all the applications you would find on a laptop or PDA, including voice communication, e-mail, web access, PIM, enterprise applications and the ability to download attachments.
In terms of components, eightythree's CPU is the National Semiconductor Geode, 266-300 MHz, RAM is 128 MB or 256 MB, and there is a 10 GB hard drive. The screen is a 4-in 640X480 TFT (18-bit color) with touchscreen and backlight. The external monitor displays up to 1280 x 1024 at 75 Hz, 1024 x 768 at 85 Hz. eightythree is powered by an internal lithium ion rechargeable battery.
does it cost? the text posted from the article doesn't say.. i can't get the to the site, it says it has a lithium ion battery as well, how long does it power the handheld? how long does it take to charge? 10 gb sounds good, i could take half my mp3's and half my porn *anywhere*, i've just become a roach pirate propagating wherever i may roam (metallica pun intended) ;)
Tiqit Computers unveiled the eightythree, basically a handheld PC
During high school, I used a device called a "TI-83" in math class. It was an 8-bit computer that came preloaded with graphing calculator software. Would selling this "eightythree" handheld PC with pre-loaded graphing calculator software constitute trademark infringement?
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...a wireless Beowulf cluster of these!
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Actually, you can still buy Librettos, now based on the Crusoe (and with expected long battery lives). Take a look at http://www.transmetazone.com for reviews or http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/index.shtml to buy one (for shipping to the states).
Looking through the specs, one sees that the unit only has a four-inch screen. That's just slightly larger than a Palm's display area, without the silkscreen.
As someone who owns (and uses) an old stylus-based x86 touchpad with an 8-inch screen, it's hard enough on that screen to accurately select things like forms or manipulate windows. Shrink the screen size to half of that, and certain Windows or X controls will be downright lilliputian. It looks like the Tiqit includes a joystick to supplement the touchscreen, but that'd be problematic as well at that kind of screen size. I'd also be very concerned about readability.
With a custom interface, would using the device be viable? Oh sure, probably -- but that's what the other handhelds do already. Using Explorer or E or most existing apps, I can't imagine it being particularly functional.
Eschatfische.
This thing must set a new low for battery lifetime. I'm wondering if Tiqit isn't actually a loss-leader for Energizer batteries!
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
That is the ugliest handheld computer I've ever seen. Yes, very good: I can write complex queries to my local postgresql db with the 83 using just one hand and its corresponding thumb, but in doing so I'd basically be squeezing the surface of a small brick!
CMNDRTACO:
If you want to add value to a slashdot subscription,
Give members a link to a mirror.
(yeah I know the cpu is a Geode Semiconductor or something (thanks to someone who mirrored the text), but I am just picking nits here)
A 266-300Mhz WHAT? A toaster? A camel? An inflatable Linus Torvalds mockup? A Larry Wall action figure? Or just some type of CPU?
Right... move along, nothing to see here :)
http://www.stormcloudtech.com/~gabe/TiqitBrochure. pdf
It's so small, no matter where you go, you can tiqit with you.
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Looking through the specs, one sees that the unit only has a four-inch screen
Displays are typically measured diagonally. By Pythagoras's right triangle theorem, the diagonal measure of the display is equivalent to 800 pixels, and on a four-inch display, that's 200 dpi.
certain Windows or X controls will be downright lilliputian
Typically, Windows and X controls are drawn to look good between 72 dpi and 96 dpi, but that's configurable in most theme engines. Set up large fonts (in Windows, do Control Panel > Display > Settings tab > Advanced... > General tab > 192 dpi), and you have a very readable display. Throw in ClearType, and you pretty much have print equivalent resolution.
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im so used to reading "1337" at "leet" that reading it as 'thirteen hundred and thirty seven' has become difficult.
Don't use one as your webserver, it doesn't work very well :)
yeah I know the cpu is a Geode Semiconductor or something
A quick Google search reveals some more information about this device's National Semiconductor Geode (an x86 clone):
Or just some type of CPU?
When MHz is used to describe an otherwise unnamed aspect of a computing device, it is generally assumed that the frequency values denote the frequency of either the CPU clock or the device's radio band.
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Anyone know if I can get a 1280x1024 color (or even mono) HUD monitor yet? Haven't heard a lot out of the HUD market lately...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Can someone tell me what the significance of 83 is?
Malike Bamiyi wanted my assistance.
Mirror site up here.
That url is
http://www.netmar.com/~will/TiquitBrochure.pdf
Notes on mirror: ONE. Brochure is property of Tiquit designs, or whoever that company is. It's not mine.
TWO: If you're gonna hammer my server, sign up for webhosting with my company - www.netmar.com. Linux web hosting for $8/month, w/ 100 MB of space, unlimited bandwidth, unlimited email aliases, PHP, Perl, C Cgi's, MySQL, etc.
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sig?
Is that a Beowulf Cluster in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
83 + 3 =86!
x86 is the best so don't forget it.
Has anyone else noticed the similarity between the pictures of this thing and the Hitchikers' Huide to the Galaxy that was in the TV episodes?
Rich
Here is information on their earlier machine with some mention of pricing.
Applications
1. Factors and Considerations
The MPC is intended for situations calling for a small, light, low-powered, respectably
performing, silent commodity PC. The MPC meets these requirements as follows.
Size 5 cubic inches (84 cc)
Weight 3.3 oz (93 g)
Power 3 to 7.5 watts
Performance Positioned midway between a laptop and a PDA, the MPC is a 32-bit 66 MHz
computer, while its hard drive spins at 4500 RPM and transfers data at approximately 1
MB/s.
Noise The MPC has no fan, and the hard drive has in common with a Swiss watch not only its
precision but its near-silent operation.
Platform The MPC is based on the ubiquitous x86 architecture and can therefore run the
user's choice of Windows, DOS, Linux, OS/2, Solaris, QNX, and other x86 operating
systems.
This hard-to-meet combination is realized with the help of two key components.
The AMD Elan SC410, an x86-based microprocessor designed for low-power embedded applications.
The IBM Microdrive, a 1 gigabyte conventional rotating magnetic hard drive occupying less than half a cubic inch (7.8 cc) and weighing half an ounce (16 g). The Matchbox PC is also available with the smaller 340 MB Microdrive, or with no Microdrive in which case the operating system resides on the 16 MB flash.
No other system available today comes close to equalling the MPC's combination of features.
PDAs such as the Palm Pilot while small and light lack the computing power and storage capacity needed to run the full-scale operating systems used on desktops and laptops. So-called pocket-size Pentium-based platforms such as the Saintsong Espresso are more powerful, but their power is achieved with a much larger package (Espresso: 31 cu.in/508 cc
and 1 lb/460 g), drawing much more power (10-20 W), and making more noise with their fan
and physically larger hard drive.
2. Representative Applications
The following applications are a good match to the MPC's design parameters.
Wearable Computing The MPC was originally designed as a wearable computer. Suitable components complementing it in this application are a VGA headmounted display such as the TekGear M1 or M2 or the Virtual Research V6 or V8, the Handykey
Twiddler chording keyboard and mouse or the WristPC QWERTY keyboard, and a serial wireless modem such as a cellular phone with serial cable or the Novatel Sage CDPD modem.
Transportable Desktop The MPC together with its battery may be unplugged from one port expander and carried to another site where it is plugged into another port expander. The peripherals (monitor, keyboard, mouse, ethernet, printer, floppy) may be left connected at each end, greatly simplifying departure and arrival.
While in transit the MPC can continue to operate, solving preassigned computational problems or beingused as a wearable computer.
Mobile Datalogging Equipped with such mobile accessories as GPS and AD converters connected to its two serial ports, the MPC can log hundreds of megabytes of data unattended. It is ideal when weight is a major concern.
Space Missions Size, weight, and power dissipation are all of concern in the cramped quarters of a space vehicle. Every ounce of payload requires another pound of fuel to launch it. And the absence of gravity inhibits the usual upward flow of heat by convection, leaving Brownian motion of the air molecules as the primary mechanism for carrying heat away (a fan adds size and weight while consuming additional power).
At least as important in space is robustness of the software; an operating system such as Linux that has been closely scrutinized by literally thousands of programmers for eight years stands a much better chance of surviving the surprises of space than one written for a special-purpose platform by a small team of dedicated but fallible programmers.
3. Non-Applications
The MPC is not suited to all applications that one might at first think of.
MP3 Player Although the MPC is ideally sized for a personal MP3 player it lacks support both for audio output and for decoding MP3 without skipping.
Beowulf Node Although a cluster of MPCs would take up little space and draw little power, the performance available per cubic foot is less than that achievable using a smaller number of physically larger and more powerful nodes.
Desktop Replacement Although the MPC has all the functionality of a desktop, with all the capacity of a 1995 desktop, the intervening five years have witnessed dramatic growth in the size and quantity of both software and databases.
A modern desktop outperforms the MPC by easily an order of magnitude in both speed and storage capacity.
The march of progress notwithstanding, many users may be placing the same demands on their desktops today that they did five years ago. Those users at least should find the MPC meets their needs perfectly adequately. For such users the main drawback of the MPC will then be one of economics: the manufacturing costs of a tiny but powerful computer put it out of practical reach when one considers that a new desktop PC can be had for less than half the price of the MPC.
Please consider that this ``handheld'' has dimensions of 5.4" x 4" x 1.1" and a weight of 20oz (567g). This is neither something like a palmtop (except for very large palms) nor one of these slim notebooks. While it is without question quite some achievement to squeeze all this stuff into this format, you might still wonder if it is practical.
As long as they are attempting to re-invent the PC, they should loose the floppy drive. It takes up a lot of space and isn't even used most of the time. They need to have a built-in 802.11b and net-booting. That would be cool.
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Realize that this thing is pretty far from fitting in your palm; it's four times as heavy as normal handhelds. You'll see why if you turn to the second page of the PDF; the picture on the first page makes it look nice and tiny, but the other pictures reveal its true thickness.
-- If no truths are spoken then no lies can hide --
or take PCMCIA (or whataver that acronym is) cards?
The page we're looking for isn't in their cache, but a lot of other ones are; surely Google didn't get permission for the entire contents of their cache.
Putting moderation advice in your
I don't see where using an operating system designed for large screen use is going to be very efficient on that tiny thing. Neither do I see where you're going to get more than 4 seconds of battery life out of that thing just judging by the hardware components and the size/weight remaining for actual battery.
:P
I think it's neat, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it's practical. Not by a longshot.
I must also sieze this opportunity to point out something that nags me about slashdot. I've said it before and I'll say it again - this site and it's readers are looking through Linux-colored glasses at the world. This gets annoying to the readers who don't actually use it. Case in point - the submitter doesn't say what OS the device uses, but he does say that it can run Linux. Frankly I rather doubt we'd even be discussing it here if it didn't. "Slashdot: We like Linux. Not much else" would be a more accurate tag-line to appear at the top of each page.
And yet I love you guys anyhow.
You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
I might be living under a rock...but won't this be a hindrance for X/whatever? i mean, won't we need a special X server for this? Or is this just a standard bpp value, albeit a little rare?
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x86 is the last architecture that I want in my hand. It's cool, but a bad choice for that kind of device.
It doesn't strike me as much smaller than the good old Libretto 110CT, and the specs are only slightly more impressive; the Libretto was something like 233 mhz (vs 266), 64M RAM (vs 128; this is probably the most significant item), 7G HD (vs 10), 800x480 display (vs 640x480), dual PCMCIA, serial, parallel, video out, and a more usable keyboard than the Tiqit.
(Oh yeah, and the Libretto suffers from being discontinued; very sad how this amazing machine was never marketed well in North America at all. Everyone who saw mine, immediately assumed it was a CE machine due to it's size, and was blown away to see it running Win98 and Linux; several people I showed ended up buying one right away. But Libretto only targeted the Japenese market that well. And their new Librettos are bigger and less appealing to me; they're kinda turning to Viao Picturebooks, rather than keeping their own charm.)
The big issue with the Tiqit will be price. The Libretto was something like $1K when I bought it. I'm guessing the Tiqit will be several times that, judging by their historical pricing on their Matchbox computer (which was cool, but *way* too pricey). Here's hoping they'll prove me wrong by pricing it $1K (and then I'll end up buying one, dammit!)
-me
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
My current machine - P2-300 w 256MB SRDAM is enough to run
Quake 2 (in software mode) - 16bpp 800x600
and
Quake 3 Arena (Matrox G400) 32bpp 800 x600
Conclusion - give it a decent (TNT?) 3D-card in 0.13um and you will have an even more obvious hit!
...firewire the latest version of MS Office?
Yes IBM made a machine about the same weight with a 5" or so 640x480 DSTN colour display, a 486 CPU and 8-20Mb of RAM. Oh and its also a phone handset, modem, fax and has 2 PCMCIA slots and a CF slot.
Its sad its taken from 1994-now for anyone to do anything with the concept mass market, even sadder that IBM killed the original rather than following the line further.
As regards image quality - the PC110 runs XFCE acceptably and X is quite usable.
For the DIY crowd, you could probably build a similar device yourself. It would not look as pretty or have quite as small dimensions -but might be close.
I fit the core of a 300MHz/128MB/15GB computer into a 6" x 4" x 1 1/2" enclosure (without battery). That core plus a 4inch LCD and some USB peripherals would meet or exceed the eightythree's specs.
The key is power consumption. The board I use only draws 5W (depending on amount of RAM). A couple of regulated camcorder batteries could power it for 10+ hrs.
Here are some of the components I used:
-Nagasaki PC104-586V ($415)
-128MB SODIMM
-15GB HDD (but note, you can get up to 60GB these days!)
-small USB ethernet
-small USB audio (better quality than on-board anyway)
-wires, leds etc
I use Sony infolithium camcorder batteries as a power source. I'm going to use a head-mounted display, so I haven't hooked up a small screen (they cost hundreds of dollars).
I hope that some of you will become interested in embedded hardware so we can improve the web's knowledgebase.
But...
Can it compile the Linux kernel in 23 seconds?
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
NT
Hmm.... Maybe someone should hack the BOIS to say "Don't Panic" on botup
...are field techs who don't want to have to lug a huge notebook everywhere with 'em. A ruggedized version could easily replace 2-3 seperate specialized instruments that a phone company tech carries on him right now (have you seen the teeny vt100 terminals those guys carry as an interface to their dialup order/status tracking database?)
Something like this is also much easier to 'embed' as a frontend/interface to complex manufacturing or testing equipment...
Their main hurdle will likely be price, as something so integrated can't possibly be cheap.
Let me see... all these years I wanted a larger sceen and faster machine. NOW, for a higher price, I can get a SLOWER machine and a SMALLER screen... This is progress?!?!
IANAL, but I've seen actors play them on TV
I'm pretty sure this thing can run any decent emulator up to the 16-bit generation. So, stick SNES9x on it, and it's a really advanced handheld. Yeah, I know a WinCE machine can do that too, but this will have higher-quality graphics (640x480 vs. 240x320) and, you can use the keyboard as a controller!
From the top it looked neat until you see if from the side, its about as wide as a brick.
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Problem is, the software will treat it like a VGA screen, it will be trying to do things like put up a full page on the screen.
Properly written applications will specify fonts and GUI widgets in terms of point size (a point is defined as 1/72 of an inch), and then the operating system's graphics layer will scale those to a pixel size based on the display resolution. That's why I explained how to set the display resolution in grandparent. The biggest littleness problem may lie in the icons, and recent Windows can scale those too.
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WOW
you are sooooooo funny!!!!!
I AM STILL LAUGHING.......
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One of the things that I love about the handheld trend is that they generally don't employ an x86 architecture. Not only that, but until recently, the Pocket PC platform was using a variety of incompatible processors, encouraging the development of portable code.
It's long past time for the x86 to die, die, die.
Instead of going for a massively small system why doesn't anyone embrase the PADD style of an A4 sized unit of approx Palm thickness. Am I alone in wondering why if the 'communicator' did influence modert mobile phone design, why they can't allow for some design influence in portable computing devices?
That way you can have a reasonable screen and a larger interface area?
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