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Tracking Possible Earth-impacting Asteroids

EccentricAnomaly writes "NASA's Near-Earth Object program has announced the Sentry automatic impact monitoring program. Check out this impact risks page showing current asteroids that might impact the Earth. The current highest risk object is 2002 CU11 which has a 0.001% impact probability in 2049... an impact that would be 58,000 megatons."

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  1. The more of this the better... by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 1

    This is what government is for. If we spent half the money on this that we spend on those two horrible asteroid movies, we wouldn't have a thing to worry about.

  2. Somehow i seems so much larger... by itwerx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...to say "58,000 Megatons" vs "58 Gigatons".
    I mean hey, a Gigaton is big, but a 1000 Megatons? Whoa, you're talking some serious tonnage there!
    Personally I'd go for the max fear-factor and say 58,000,000 tons...

    1. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by the+phantom · · Score: 2

      No, I think that a mega ton sounds much more impresive than a ton, and after you get above three or four zeros, it is all the same: "really big number." 58 Gigatons sounds smaller than either 58,000 Megatons or 58,000,000 tons. However, 58,000 Megatons seems bigger than 58,000,000 tons, because they are both "really big numbers," but megaton has the prefix "mega-", making it seem large. People just can't handle "really big numbers."

    2. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      58,000,000,000

    3. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      As the AC points out, 58,000,000,000.
      My bad.

    4. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most people are used to measuring atomic explosives in terms of kilotons and megatons. Gigatons just don't register the same way mentally even though the number come out the same. It's the same reason that we continue to talk in microns instead of nanometers for microchip wire sizes and in cubic feet instead of cubic yards when dealing with the size of large tanks of liquid. You use a frame of reference people are familiar with.

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    5. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by aminorex · · Score: 2

      58,000 megatons seems bigger than 58,000,000 tons
      because it is 1000 times bigger than 58,000,000 tons.

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    6. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by Lars+T. · · Score: 2

      No, 58,000,000 Kilotons, or 58,000,000,000 tons. Or just 0.058 Teratons. Totaly harmless ;-)

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    7. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are quite right. And for that reason, the use of the term Billion to mean a thousand million is misleading. All government expenditures should be described in millions of dollars, or if you prefer, all in billions. The taxpayer can see clearly the difference between 0.1 Billion dollars for a science program, and 20 Billion for a military one. But if it's announced as 100 million versus 20 billion, they think no more than "sounds like a lot of money".
      Speaking of probabilities, has anybody worked out the probability of any given US citizen being killed by spectacular terrorist attack, as compared with death on the roads?

    8. Re:Somehow i seems so much larger... by Sprunkys · · Score: 1

      Well, actually, we talk in cubic metres since "metre" or "meter" is pretty much an SI-unit...

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  3. I wouldn't worry too much... by Daniel+Wood · · Score: 1

    The best candidate is half a mile wide, it should be a fairly quick and painless death.

  4. Better Keep that Bomb Shelter Ready :) by the+phantom · · Score: 2

    Alright! For the last two years, I have been looking for a reason to keep the bomb shelter in good repair. Before I was born, it was there in case of nuclear war. Then, the cold war ended, and there was a time when the shelter served no purpose. Thank the gods for y2k, there was once again a reason to keep it clean. But the computers continued to work, damn it! I damn well want to us my bomb shelter! Now, I have 47 years of anticipation. Well, its better than nothing, I suppose.

  5. Impending Doom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Now if someone could just warn us of bad movies about asteroids hitting the Earth!

  6. Article Inaccuracy by taion · · Score: 1

    The article claims that the probability of impact is 0.001

    The site, however, gives an impact probability of 1.0e-5, which is 0.00001.

    I take it someone failed to read the article carefully before submitting.

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  7. Post Inaccuracy by Catskul · · Score: 1

    a probability of 0.00001 is 0.001 percent
    a probability of 1 is 100 percent

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  8. Story poster didnt read the entire article by Catskul · · Score: 1

    The probability of impact for CU11 object is actually 0.0021% which is twice as scary. The 0.0021% figure comes from adding the probablities of all of the guessed trajectories.

    For those of you scratching your heads about it being 0.0021% instead of 0.000021 (2.1e-5) its because you have to multiply by 100 when converting a raw probablity to a percetage chance.

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    1. Re:Story poster didnt read the entire article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The probability of impact for CU11 object is actually 0.0021% which is twice as scary. The 0.0021% figure comes from adding the probablities of all of the guessed trajectories.

      Oh come on. The 0.001% impact probability is for the year range 2002-2049, your 0.0021% probability is for the range 2002-2096 (twice as long). Since typically, searches are conducted 100 years into the future. there's no data beyond 2102, but you'd expect a proportionally higher cumulative probability for the next 200 years, 500 years, etc. There's nothing to nitpick about.

      Gee, do you always try so hard to attack other's people statements? You really found nothing this time. Try to find something positive to say about the submitter write-up next time.

    2. Re:Story poster didnt read the entire article by Catskul · · Score: 1

      My bad. Looks like I didnt look carefully enough to see the dates went all the way to 2088.

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  9. trinitrotoluol!!! by Perdo · · Score: 2

    Sentry automatic impact monitoring system... Damn thing better monitor the impacts automaticly. It's not like there will me any people to care after an impact with an energy equil to the detonation of 52,727,272,727,272,727 grams of trinitrotoluol!!!

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  10. Kirk could stop it. by Perdo · · Score: 2

    But it would take much less TNT to wound a Gorn.

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  11. 47 by isorox · · Score: 2

    So in 47 years we might die.

    Tahts scary. Not the dying bit, the fact its 47 years - by far the most common number in the universe.

    1. Re:47 by Perdo · · Score: 2

      Don't feel bad, next year it will be 46 years and you can lay your numerology on the 4/7/2047 earthquake or the 47 straight razor causing your demise.

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    2. Re:47 by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, did you or anyone you know ever go to Pomona College in Claremont, California?

    3. Re:47 by isorox · · Score: 1

      nope, but I remember reading about pomona from the abundance of 47 in trek

    4. Re:47 by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      yeah. while i no longer go there, i did for a couple years. several years ago, one of the stats profs "proved" that all numbers were equal to 47. it caught on. it is now seen as a sacred number there, and as several pomona grads went on to write for star trek: the next generation. in another bit of trivia, the borg are named after oldenborg dorm, a dorm into which people go in, but do not come out.

    5. Re:47 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the borg are named after oldenborg dorm



      That's funny I would have thought that the borg were named after cyborg.

  12. Meteoric Death by Perdo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure these guys have the metric/standard thing fixed for these trajectory calculations. I mean it is NASA and they would never make a silly mistake like that right? um.. right?

    How many times has your computer spit out the wrong answer but you accept it as true, just to find out later that you fed it the wrong data? I would sort of like to see them put at least as much effort into tracking earth crossing asteroids as say... modeling nuclear explosions.

    I mean the JPL's computer is number 374 on the top 500 list not number 1, with number 5 acting as a glorified graphics card.

    ASCI Blue, a 32,524,800,000-transistor graphics card: 50 million dollars
    GeForce 4, 63,000,000-transistor graphics card: 450 dollars.
    Time for ASCI blue's power to be available at retail following Moore's law: 14 years

    Amateur computer enthusiasts and astronomers saving the world: priceless.

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  13. 0.000021 is 147 times better than WA lotto odds :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least they advertise the lotto chances as 1 in 7 million.
    0.000021 is 1 in 47,619

    Does that make you feel better?

  14. Re:0.000021 is 147 times better than WA lotto odds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better is not good here, you realize.
    I just realized some might not see the gallows humor.

    Bottom line: The Earth is 147 times more likely
    to be hit by the asteroid than you are likely
    to win the WA lotto jackpot with a single ticket.

    That should not make you feel better. OTOH, it's
    as good an excuse as any to start doing what you
    know is right ;-)

  15. Re:0.000021 is 147 times better than WA lotto odds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Bottom line: The Earth is 147 times more likely
    > to be hit by the asteroid than you are likely
    > to win the WA lotto jackpot with a single ticket.


    So buy 147 lotto tickets. That'll make the odds equal.

  16. What will we do!??! by leviramsey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bruce Willis will be 94 in 2049! How will we get someone that old into space to blow up the asteroid?

    1. Re:What will we do!??! by breon.halling · · Score: 2, Funny

      You obviously haven't seen Space Cowboys. ;)

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    2. Re:What will we do!??! by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > Bruce Willis will be 94 in 2049! How will we get someone that old into space to blow up the asteroid?

      Make him a Senator, then let him rant about how space tourism is wrong after his flight.

    3. Re:What will we do!??! by chrissam · · Score: 1

      Haley Joel Osment
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  17. Rocks by olman · · Score: 1

    Woo, there's one with 1.8% probability of hitting us! But it's only 40 meters.. I wonder if they compensate for atmospheric burn on those "small" rocks.

    With the annoying inverse square law for radars, you're be pretty much reduced to optics. Plenty of space to eyeball this side of pluto orbit.. Anyone actually looking to the right direction with a high-power telescope is pretty low, isn't it?

    So what's the probability of the "Big Mama" showing up on the threat list with any kind of meaningful lead time?

    1. Re:Rocks by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      I doubt a 40-meter meteor would burn much, relative to its size, on the way down.

      I hate to say it, but an impact from one of these "small" rocks might be a good thing. Get a nuke-size detonation (I'm guessing a 40-meter rock would be a Hiroshima-equivalent?), preferably but not necessarily in an unpopulated area, and the world's governments might wake the fuck up to how serious the danger is, and the fact that an active space program that doesn't have to plan its launches months in advance is our best defense.

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    2. Re:Rocks by trixillion · · Score: 1

      I assume you are referring to 2000 SG344, in which case the cummulative probability of impact is .18% for a hit. You missed a decimal in there. Further inspection will show that it has a 7.4e-04 or .074% chance of a hit in 2071 which would yield a 1 mega ton explossion.

    3. Re:Rocks by markbark · · Score: 2

      With the annoying inverse square law for radars, you're be pretty much reduced to optics

      ... and the major problem with "eyballing it" (well.... CCD'ing it anyway) is that a lot of Kuiper belt objects have an albedo of ~0.03-0.05. That's about the same as printer toner. Hmmm.... let's look for the black rock 10km across that's 2x10^9 km away.
      Asteroids are a little brighter, but it still takes a LOT of patience, comparing multiple shots of the same piece of sky to look for the movers and THEN try to calculate a trajectory

      MAB

    4. Re:Rocks by olman · · Score: 1

      ... and the major problem with "eyballing it" (well.... CCD'ing it anyway) is that a lot of Kuiper belt objects have an albedo of ~0.03-0.05. That's about the same as printer toner.

      That bad? I always kind of visualized asteroids as being gray-ish tone. Got suckered by SF TV, no doubt. In any case.. How exactly *do* they detect/track those objects if the albedo's so laughable? you'd have to crank the magnification way up to be able to "see" them, no? Something like Hubble's cool, but how much of the sky globe does it "see"? 1*10^-6 ? Even if we actually start building probes to go and look for the damn things, you'd need way way too many of them!

      I don't really know about the spectrum of radiation from Sun, but I expect visible light's not necessarily the most optimal wavelenght to look for, correct? Reflection from black rocks-wise. At least those rocks should be warmer than the background radiation?

  18. There's a better chance of a nuclear war than this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the words of wisdom that went flying out of
    President Bush's mouth, we are more likely to be
    involved with a nuclear war than an asteroid strike. I want all to know here that I am not
    for preprogramming the nuclear arsenal for China,
    Syria, etc. Gee... what was he low on blood sugar? I think the best way to promote peace is
    free trade!

    .001 percent? Why bother?

  19. Asteroid odds vs (let's say) the lottery by Arkhan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Assuming the submitter did his/her math correctly...

    I know 0.001% isn't *that* great a probability (1 in 100,000), but it's a little daunting to think that the probability of Earth being smacked by a huge asteroid during my lifetime is about 1000 times better than my chances of winning the lottery.

    (And yeah, that's just that one asteroid, so the real chance would be even a bit higher.)

    Gives new meaning to "live for today", eh?

  20. 0.001% is the probability in 2049 by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 2

    The probability for an impact in 2049 is 1e-5 which is 0.001%. If you take range of years you can get a higher probabilty, but I thought the probabilty of impact in a given year was more interesting than over an arbitrary range of years.

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  21. Percentages by Chayce · · Score: 1

    If I remember there was an article a few years back that said we only are able to track a small percentages of asteroids in orbits that come near the earth. Now perhaps technology has improved quite a bit in the past couple of years, but it only takes 1 big one to kill most of the earths population. What I'd really like to hear is not the percentage chance of those we know about hitting us, but instead the percentage that we dont know about.

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    1. Re:Percentages by KeatonMill · · Score: 1

      From what I've read, the large majority of the asteroids we don't track are too small to be picked up with the current technology. Now whether or not this means that they would still destroy civilization as we know it if they hit the Earth I don't know, but I think that the smaller they are, the better.

  22. Surviving the End of the World by Varragon · · Score: 1

    There are probably two choices if a large comet or meteor is on a collision course with earth: * Bend over and kiss your a** goodbye or * http://personals.galaxyinternet.net/tunga/

  23. The probability of impact is 1.4% by Varragon · · Score: 1

    The cummulative probability cited for 2002CU11 is states as 2.1e-05. The expression "e" is not the same thing as base "ten". This works out to 1.4% probability of impact.

    1. Re:The probability of impact is 1.4% by Catskul · · Score: 1

      The expression "e" is scientific notation. You could just as well replace e with 10^. So 2.1e-5 is 0.000021.

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    2. Re:The probability of impact is 1.4% by Varragon · · Score: 1

      You're right. It's just because I come from the ancient days when sliderules were in vogue. In those days "e" was a logarithmic constant and "E" was used for scientific notation. By the way did you see that the probability of the asteroid hitting earth has just doubled. It is now 5.4e-05

  24. Detail of physics by KeatonMill · · Score: 1

    What I want to know is how they take into account the smaller asteroids that they cannot track. Every once in a while they must collide with tracked ones, so how do they provide for that in their tracking program? Or do they not worry about it at all, and just revise their courses when a visible deviation is seen...? Hmmm...