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Testing Kids' IT Skills
Dee Arsmith writes "Computer literate kids entering our local high school (form 4 = grade 8) are bored out of their trees by the introductory IT classes they are given. Can Slashdot readers point us to a computer based programme that would allow us to evaluate student skills at the beginning of the year so that the experienced users can be identified and channeled into more advanced courses? Currently the school uses old P100 boxes with W95. (Cybermoles are currently fighting the Forces of Darkness to introduce Linux into the school - but that is another story!) Grateful for any guidance"
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just to start out with, try giving students that think they skip the intro course the equivalent a final exam for that course. if they're good enough to skip over it, they should be able to handle it with a breeze.
Or, try offering up an accellerated version of the course to keep the kids bored at first, but challenged later.
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The generation of highschoolers skipping college and going directly into IT has come and gone, and lets see where its left us.. I, for one, am unemployed. By the time these kids graduate high school, it seems 9 out of every 10 kids is going to be some kind of systems admin/analyst/etc. Howsabout we concentrate on improving teh quality of our education instead of the quantity? I mean, its not like the USA is exactly at the forefront of education..
If they are a just a little bit bored, get them to write a webserver in Perl.
If they are really bored, get them to write it in Java.
If they are exceptionally bored, get them to write a Linux VM - there should be plenty of work for everyone incorporating the 'advice' that everyone seems to have on the subject.
In order to be a little bit useful - write a list of topics and get the students to rate themselves. They may not be as bright as they thought, or brighter than they thought, but you will get a good idea to start with.
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What is "Computer Literate"? How do you determine if someone is "Computer Literate"?
I'm seriously asking you seriously, not with any sarcasm. Does Computer Literate and Computer skills mean that they can make word documents? Does it mean they can use MS Outlook? (If it does, then I'm not computer literate because I've never used MS Outlook and never bothered learning MS Word. But, I can use Star Office and Netscape) I did find this paper which may be helpful and does address this question for you. I would seriously stress the idea of truly evaluating what using a computer really means. I think when you folks boil stuff down you'll end up teaching searching and researching techniques as well as basic e-mail concepts... really... the thought process behind forming a good search isn't intuitive to everyone it involves a very basic understanding of set theory and many poorly educated kids will have no clue what that means but it could be valuable to teach them.
Think "Library Science" and you might be heading in the right direction for "Computer Literacy". Offer the course in an "at your own pace" format if you can. Make it so the smart kids can finish in a week and the not-so-smart can take a whole semester if they need to.
As for more advanced IT topics, are you going to teach System Administration? Web Development? Programming? PC Repair and troubleshooting?
As for programming I reccommend taht you consider Pre-Calc as a prerequisite. I've taught programming to students who hadn't been introduced to the concept of a "function" without the mental tool of the "function" in the student's head your programming instructor will have a hell of a time. Some of my student's didn't know what a variable was and it was very hard to progress past "Hello World" with those students... and this was a COLLEGE class... albiet the Adult Education section.
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Well, IT literacy does range quite a bit.
I'd say any fourth form student that already has an MCSE is qualified to take some IT courses.
OTOH, if they already have their CCNA you might let them skip the first couple of weeks of the course.
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I'd have to say that more often then not, high school computer courses are a joke...i took all of the ones that were available at my high school...the first 2 were called "computer applications" which basically consisted of doing spreadsheets, or making microsoft word documents....both a total waste of time...but they were still prereqs for the only worthwile computer course we had...
the only worthwile one was called "computer programming" or something...in any case, i took the AP version of it, and it was well worth it...basically it was my first introduction to programming....they taught Turbo Pascal at that time (that was the AP standard)...i'm sure it's not any more...if anyone is wondering, i got a 5 on the AP test....
in any case, the post brings up a good point...with kids getting more and more experience and exposure to computers at home, most high school level courses are a joke to them... i can't seriously see high schools being able to satisfy the different levels of students by offering a computer science curiculum with enough breadth for all the different students...perhaps high schools could continue offering the introductory courses for beginner students, and work out some sort of program where if more advanced students want to take higher level classes they work out something with the local community college, or local tech training center...a friend of mine in high school did something similiar to this...he had completed all the possible math courses in the high school, so for junior and senior year, he took class at the local community college instead...this could probably work well for computer courses too...
well, just a thought...
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Heh. In highschool we were asked to write a poker program using Quick Basic. Most people did ascii art, a few just printed numbers. Then, 4 of us teamed up and wrote a poker application with full mouse control, 640 x 480 bitmapped graphics, and it had the ability to play music (wav files) in the background (via timeslicing). To top it off we added a pretty good AI -- then multiplayer AI support which would talk to eachother about sports, news events, etc. You as the human could start conversations with them.
Needless to say, it was no longer really a poker program, and had more creature feeping than nearly anything else around.
The point of the story? If your bored, do what they ask plus some stuff to make it a challenge.
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I'm not sure of any software in specific to test computer skills, but I found this link to a North Carolina State Board of Education page about what they put in thier computer skills tests. It gives an explanation of content with some of their sample questions. Not sure if this is what you had in mind though. I found it to be quite interesting.
My own ideas on the subject are that I know how to use Word and other Office applications for what I need them for and that's it. I'm sure that's the same boat the kids are in. But I don't know all the little nuances and specifics that a class might teach them. For instance, in a class I learned to use mail merge. I'd never use that in my day to day life, but that skill turned out to be somewhat helpful in an office setting where I could help the admin assistants with their duties.
Sure, it might be a bit boring, but everyone now and then they'd pick up on a new concept. If they know everything that you're teaching already, I'd say let them work ahead and finish all the projects for the term and then start to work on a project of their choice in something a little more interesting, such as programming, web site design, etc. Do make sure they do the work that everybody else has to do. That makes it seem fair to the other kids.
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It may be that the lower level high school programming courses were a joke to you, but that certainly would not be the case for everyone. My high school offered 4 levels of CS courses. The bottom 3 were not really worthwhile for anyone who had any experience with computers, but there were no prerequisites for entering any level. I'm sure that the lower computer courses were helpful for some students who hadn't had access to technology before, though....
Btw, I also took AP CS in my junior year of high school, 4 years ago. It really wasn't a bad course (it was taught in C++ at the time). I had had some exposure to programming previously in BASIC and C so it wasn't that big a leap for me, but the curriculum did include some really useful stuff like some of the basic STL containers and rudimentary algorithm analysis. The teacher sucked, but self paced students could still learn by taking some initiative to read books (I read the first book on data structures I ever read in that class, and the teacher let me work on my own projects when I finished projects that took most students a week in 30 minutes.)
I think that most CS classes in high school will display a very wide range in the abilities of the individual students. The best solution, in my opinion, is to be flexible in the curriculum so that students can pace themselves. Those who really are advanced will be able to engage in self-learning.
I went to a school where I had to take TWO introductory courses before I could take the computer course - first a typing course (on typewriters - not computers) - and then an introductory course on 8086 machines that didn't have hard drives where we learned MS Works in DOS. Keep in mind that this was when 486-66 was the average machine, and some people had Pentiums. After taking the first two, I gave up. I was SO far above the level of the first two courses that I figured that I was ready for the fifth or sixth course in the series (which wasn't offered by this school).
I graduated from high school in 1997 - just five years ago. I know the teachers that I had, and knowing what I know now I have to say that I don't think there's any way they could do the job. I also know a lot of new tech teachers haven't been hired at my old school. I doubt that they would get a competent teacher, either, as anyone who understands the subject won't be teaching it there. If they have to teach, there are many venues that have higher benefits for the teachers.
If I wanted to teach high schoolers, I'd hire a bunch, show them the ropes and get them to work for me, and leave the education system out of it completely. I might make less with all the training I'd do, but it'd still be worth it more than the other way. Then I wouldn't have to deal with all of the red tape, the low pay, and those who don't want to learn - the things you find in the public school system.
So what should the public schools do? Let the private sector handle it. Make sure that students know about their chances to do that. Then maybe everything they learn won't be on their own, like they were for me.
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