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Are You Being Served? Don't Open That Email!

An unnamed reader writes: "A federal appeals court has ruled that legal documents can be served by email. Since the party had no physical address, the court ruled that email was a viable option. So, before you open that next email, you might want to consider if it's something you might want to avoid! And it wouldn't be spam..."

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  1. Prove I opened it by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use hotmail for a reason :)

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    1. Re:Prove I opened it by bmongar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you use html views of a message they can prove you opened it by embeding a web-bug in the address. That is an image that loads remotely, if the image is loaded from that location you opened the mail.

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    2. Re:Prove I opened it by linuxrunner · · Score: 3, Informative

      I download all my "home" e-mails at night and read them on my laptop.. not online.

      Come get me now!

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    3. Re:Prove I opened it by Ooblek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter if you opened it or not really. After a while, they assume you are avoiding being served and just call it done. Too bad if you never knew about it. I believe there was a lawsuit that Art Bell had going against some dork that was accusing him of being a child molester. The guy was avoiding being served, so the deputy eventually concluded that he was illegally avoiding service.

    4. Re:Prove I opened it by Zeekamotay · · Score: 3, Funny

      All the Pine, Elm, and Mutt users are chuckling right now...

    5. Re:Prove I opened it by AJWM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Heck, I just "vi /var/spool/mail/$USER".

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    6. Re:Prove I opened it by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Informative
      I remember that.

      What happened was that his son. artbell jr (or whatever) had been molested by a teacher, who was sent away to jail for a very long time.

      The idiot had his own small time talk show on shortwave (I think) Someone had sent the idiot a rumor that had it all backwards, accusing the talk show host father Art Bell of peodophilia. Art Bell had been trying to keep it quiet to protect his son, and eventually came forward with the information on the air, when the rumors got to heavy, and he had to file a law suit. Needless to say, the father was not pleased, hired the best of lean and hungry lawyers, and had at the jerk.

      Now there are programs like Mailwasher that let you erase and bounce email before you download it. Of course, Unix admins have been able to do this since the dawn of time.

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  2. Enlarge your penis - GUARANTEED! by mossmann · · Score: 4, Funny

    You've been served.

    1. Re:Enlarge your penis - GUARANTEED! by darkonc · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This actually raises the point of the interaction between spam and service via email.

      I can actually understand it in this case, where there wasn't an obvious alternative to email service -- and it actually makes sense in the context of the BC rules of court (which I've read) which allows a judge to OK non-standard methods of service, in a specific case where traditional methods have been proven non-fruitful.

      This decision does not appear to approve email service as a general method. It does, however, mean that if you're playing electronic hide-and-seek with someone who is trying to sue you, you may get 'tagged' by email.

      Where I worry about it as a general solution is where someone serves me by email with something that looks like spam (or where spammers catch on to email service, and start to use 'service' envelopes to force people to read their stuff (on pain of default judgement if it was a real notice)).
      I would then be stuck between the rock of having to read every piece of spam that comes through my mailbox, and the hard place of missing a notice of lawsuit that the RIAA is suing me for $1,000,000 because I had a DECSS link on my web page.

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  3. Yucky by 68030 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Guess it's time to get an email address on a non-US server. They can't send a US court jury duty
    request to a non-us email address, can they?

    1. Re:Yucky by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can the U.S. serve someone outside the U.S.? Usually - it has treaties with most other nations exchanging that privilege. Granted, if you had a server in, say, Iraq, you'd probably be out of their jurisdiction.

      When did US courts start taking much notice of the concept of "out of jurisdiction?

      Then again, try finding a mail server in Iraq where locals won't dig up the cable and sell it for the copper.

      Any Iraqi embassy is considered to be "in Iraq". Embassys are typically in urban areas where paved surfaces and police tend to discourage digging up telephone cables.

  4. um ... whois ? by legLess · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sheesh - how hard can it be? They're both registered in bloody Las Vegas already ...

    Harrah's Entertainment, Inc (RIOSPORTS3-DOM)
    1023 Cherry Road
    Memphis, TN 38117
    US

    Domain Name: RIOSPORTS.COM

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
    Wilkins, Bobby (BW1169) hwilkins@HARRAHS.COM
    Harrah's Entertainment, Inc.
    1023 Cherry Rd
    Memphis, TN 38117-5423
    (901) 537-3785 (FAX) (901) 820-2570
    Billing Contact:
    Howard, Anika (AHU21) anhoward@HARRAHS.COM
    Harrah's Entertainment, Inc.
    One Harrah's Court
    Las Vegas, NV 89193-8905
    702-407-6456 (FAX) 702-407-6500

    Record last updated on 14-Jan-2002.
    Record expires on 23-Feb-2004.
    Record created on 23-Feb-2001.
    Database last updated on 21-Mar-2002 02:57:00 EST.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS1.HARRAHS.COM 12.104.204.36
    NS2.HARRAHS.COM 12.104.204.38

    Registrant:
    Harrah's Entertainment, Inc (BETRIO2-DOM)
    1023 Cherry Road
    Memphis, TN 38117
    US

    Domain Name: BETRIO.COM

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
    Wilkins, Bobby (BW1169) hwilkins@HARRAHS.COM
    Harrah's Entertainment, Inc.
    1023 Cherry Rd
    Memphis, TN 38117-5423
    (901) 537-3785 (FAX) (901) 820-2570
    Billing Contact:
    Howard, Anika (AHU21) anhoward@HARRAHS.COM
    Harrah's Entertainment, Inc.
    One Harrah's Court
    Las Vegas, NV 89193-8905
    702-407-6456 (FAX) 702-407-6500

    Record last updated on 14-Jan-2002.
    Record expires on 23-Feb-2004.
    Record created on 23-Feb-2001.
    Database last updated on 21-Mar-2002 02:57:00 EST.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS1.HARRAHS.COM 12.104.204.36
    NS2.HARRAHS.COM 12.104.204.38

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    1. Re:um ... whois ? by cybermage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, nice try. I'd bet (pun intended) that the information from whois, before Harrah's took the domains, was probably more obtuse.

      Harrah's operates the Rio; they probably took over the domains as part of the story.

      My first thought was the same as yours, but the information seems to reflect the results of Harrah's legal actions.

      Of course, even if the whois information isn't accurate, the money going to the sites had to go somewhere. Follow the money.

  5. Registerred Email by ksw2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until you can confirm the receipt beyond a reasonable doubt, I don't think this will become a widespread practice. How hard is it to forge a bounced message?

    Anyway, undoubtedly if you do have a physical address, it will be used instead. The case mentioned in the article seems to be an isolated one.

  6. Read carefully - "hide-and-seek" comment by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "When faced with an international e-business scofflaw playing hide-and-seek with the federal court, e-mail may be the only means of effecting service of process," the court said. "We acknowledge that we tread upon untrodden ground."
    I think the court is NOT saying that it will allow service by e-mail as a routine matter. But in cases where the party is trying to claim to be both available (by e-mail) and NOT available (physically), the court will allow the party's obvious prefered method of being reached :-)

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  7. Cool!!! by Romancer · · Score: 3, Insightful


    So I can legally send a notice to a spamming company that serves as legal notification if they do not list a phone number or physical address, and it will be backed by this precident.

    I love it when a ruling can affect something intelligent, especially when the ruling itself isn't that smart.

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  8. I can see the fakes flying already. by IPFreely · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So someone starts sending fake summons via email with faked return addresses. How do you know what's real in E-mail.

    Now hundreds of people are hiring lawyers and showing up in court on dates they were never expected for summons that were never issues.

    There are reasons why papers must be served in person; so everyone on both sides knows it happened for real. Summons by regular mail is bad enough.

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  9. What format? by treat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An important aspect that has been as of yet unmentioned, is what format were these documents sent in? If they were sent in a proprietary format, is the recipient required by law to purchase software to decode the document?

  10. Auto responders? by mjh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm... I wonder what the implications of something like this are on auto responders. I use TMDA to autmotically respond to any emails that I get from people that I don't know. I wonder if an auto response constitutes being served.

    Hmmm...

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  11. Not all "papers" served are "bad" by Glove+d'OJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not everything for which you may be summoned to court is a bad thing. My brother serves papers for various lawyers in NY, and every so often while visiting, I would go with him if he had a tricky paper to serve. On several occasions, the papers were "come to court and collect your inheiritance" type papers, where the people actually welcomed him in and offered food+drink.

    Were the legal system to start contemplating e-Service of paperwork, these "warmfuzzy" services could be first served electronically, as their degree of repudiation ("I never got served") would be extremely low.

  12. Isnt' this a Good Thing? by lysurgon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm curious why so many posters seem to think this is a Really Bad Thing, or a Really Stupid Thing. Are we all just eager to stay one step ahead of the law?

    I for one think this is a Very Good Thing.

    1) It's a big step toward legitimizing legal transactions online.This is something that needs to occur for the internet revolution to relaly take hold. The ability for people to make binding agreements virtually would usher in the next generation of e-business. Got an e-summons? Get an e-lawyer! If you can legally serve someone with an email, how long before you can represent someone online?

    2) Of course, there are a lot of security issues to work though, but that's good to. Why? Jobs for geeks.

    3) They're going to be able to serve a process against this scam artist. That's always nice.

    Truth is, if you're actually being served a process, either someone bad is after you or you've done something wrong, like skip out on child support. Making virtual process serving possible doesn't make it easier to file lawsuits, it just makes it easier to let people know about them.

  13. or worse... by theConstruct · · Score: 4, Funny

    Enlarge your subpoenas - GUARANTEED!

  14. Okay. by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Claimant has a valid trademark dispute
    Defendant is not reachable, most likely on purpose
    Defendant does have an email address

    So you send the mail as a last ditch effort
    and then hold a trial in absentia.

    How is that not fair?

  15. Here's why... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a bad/stupid thing (depending on your perspective) because this ruling is effective with TODAY'S technology. That means that there won't necessarily be any evidence that the notice was really served, that it was secure, etc. Do you really trust POP/IMAP/HTTP enough for this purpose? Do you really? This probably has implications for contracts too. I would be very careful about this, or you'll get what you wish for (example below).

    You: "Your honor, I am not bound by this contract because this email did not come from me. It was forged."

    The judge: "Prove it."

    You: [Blank stare.]

    It would be pretty easy to drum up a whole stack of lawsuits based on forged mail. Hell, you could fake contracts of all sorts and pretend people owe you something in the hopes that they'll pay you something just to go away and not have to show up in court.

    I doubt any self-respecting law firm is going to use this as their primary means of serving papers anyway, despite the ruling.

    Also, think of this: if the party in question is so elusive that you are totally unable to serve them in person, then what real means of enforcement do you have in dragging them to court? So maybe you can get their site shut down? What if they're not the hosting company? What redress really occurred then?

    No sir, I don't like it. Between this and e-voting, I smell real trouble.

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  16. Not a Surprise - Read the Rules by davidebsmith · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not a surprise if you actually read the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. FRCP 4 (f) says (in relevant part) (italics added):

    Unless otherwise provided by federal law, service upon an individual from whom a waiver has not been obtained and filed ... may be effected in a place not within any judicial district of the United States:

    (1) by any internationally agreed means reasonably calculated to give notice, such as those means authorized by the Hague Convention on the Service Abroad of Judicial and Extrajudicial Documents; or

    (2) if there is no internationally agreed means of service or the applicable international agreement allows other means of service, provided that service is reasonably calculated to give notice:

    (A) in the manner prescribed by the law of the foreign country for service in that country ...
    ...
    (C) unless prohibited by the law of the foreign country, by

    (i) delivery to the individual personally of a copy of the summons and the complaint; or

    (ii) any form of mail requiring a signed receipt, to be addressed and dispatched by the clerk of the court to the party to be served; or

    (3) by other means not prohibited by international agreement as may be directed by the court.

    Plus, under FRCP 4 (d) (2) (b) the defendant has a duty to avoid costs of service if a waiver of service is requested "through first-class mail or other relaible means."

    The touchstone of whether service of process comports with due process is whether it is a method reasonably calculated to give notice under the circumstances. Our office regularly files cases requesting emergency authorization to demolish buildings that are in an imminently dangerous and hazardous condition and we provide notice by fax or by leaving messages on voice mail or by posting a notice on the door of the building. Under the circumstances that someone may be killed by a falling building if something is not done quickly, that is always sufficient notice under the circumstances.

    In this case, the defendants were in a foreign country, at a concealed address, and the only known method of providing notice was via e-mail. Under many state laws, service by publication (those little ads in the back of the newspaper) is effective and constitutional. Certainly service via e-mail to the address provided by the defendant is more reasonably calculated to give notice than publication in the Law Bulletin would be.

    This is yet another case of somebody seeing a high-tech buzzword and thinking it's hot news when it's really something that people have been doing for years.

  17. The return of MS BOB by prizzznecious · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It looks like you are frantically trying to erase the record of your having been electronically served papers. Would you like help with that?"

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  18. Re:Blocked by Score+Whore · · Score: 4, Informative

    They don't have to find you. If it appears that you are unavailable, intentionally or otherwise, and the plaintiff has made a serious effort to contact/locate you, you can be served by publication. Which means that if the court thinks you are in Los Angeles, CA, then all they have to do is put a small add in the classifieds (public notices) in a major LA paper, and then you've been served. Regardless of whether you've ever been in California or not. And yes you will by default if you don't show up for your court date.

  19. I can here it now... by leinerj · · Score: 4, Funny

    The new AOL email notification!
    "You have subpoena"

  20. Good point by mmol_6453 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A con artist (read telecom provider or spam mailer) could send you an email authorizing them to suspend your anit-slam rights, and then trigger the authentication themselves by just making the HTTP request from another computer.

    They'd have to prove that you, and only you, were capable of having knowledge or record of the authenticating URL. On the Internet, that means everything from certification that their software is bug-free and uncracked to certification that the packets weren't sniffed on the Internet to gaurantee that your employer doesn't archive your email as company policy. That reaches a point of impossibility after a while.

    This means there'll be more demand for public key encryption. They'll need my public key (and they can't give me a private key...it might be intercepted on the Internet) to prove that the request I send to them really comes from me. This would have to happen by me sending a response encoded with my private key.

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  21. You Don't Have to Read a Subpoena to be Served by MoNickels · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am not a lawyer, but my father delivers subpoenas for a living to men who have not paid child support. I asked him in the past about people refusing to accept subpoenas when he hands them to them. He explained that telling the party of the subpoena is sufficient for the subpoena to be served, and all that is required is that he a) notify them of the subpoena, and b) make it available to them. Refusing to accept the subpoena, not reading it, dropping it, ripping it up, or even claiming you aren't the person the subpoena is supposed to go to, do *nothing* to cancel the fact that the process server has, in fact, found you and given you sufficient notice of the legal document. In fact, a process server can simply used the scattershot method: deliver subpoenas to your home, your work, your gym, your parents' home, your girlfriend's house, your past addresses, everywhere, and in most cases it is sufficient to shove it in the mail slot, leave it in the mailbox, put it inside the screen door, hand it to another family member or household resident, put it under a windshield wiper, etc. Such a subpoena is considered served. You have been given sufficient notice. The court would prefer you pay attention to that notice, but it's your loss if you don't. So claiming you didn't get or didn't read an email message which you did indeed receive is likely an insufficient argument in the eyes of the court, particularly if there's strong evidence that you do, in fact, use the email address in question.

    I should add that contrary to what you might think, most of the people who are served subpoenas are apologetic and civil, even a little bashful about having to have someone official notify them of a legal matter related to their own mistakes.

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    1. Re:You Don't Have to Read a Subpoena to be Served by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Interesting

      $12 if done by the govmn't (but I suspect that this is for simpler cases)

      Otherwise, $50 to a couple hundred dollars depending on the difficulty of the case (at $50/hr surveillance!).

      A friend of mine helped out a guy who was getting screwed for child support payments. Basically, his ex-wife was living off of the child support payments (and I think remarried) and not giving a dime to her at-college kids. So, he paid the kids directly, too. To get his payments re-evaluated, he needed to serve his ex-wife with papers. He wasn't allowed to do it himself... he needed a third party to do it. He hired a firm to do it, and they did... but she kept lying under oath that she never received the papers and the judge kept letting her delay. Why the judge didn't witness the supoena right there in court, I don't know. Anyway, after many attempts, the ex-husband was running out of money. My friend agreed to do the delivery. They knew where she went to church, dressed up in thier sunday best, and followed her. Aparently the rule they had to follow was that the documents had to touch her person -- leaving at her doorstep wasn't good enough. And this lady was smart (dumb?) enough to literally run away everytime she thought she was going to be subpoened. But, she didn't know my friend, and when they handed her the package in the middle of the church (a huge cathederal, and just after the service), her shriek echoed through the building. She tossed it up in the air and ran out. As paritioners filed out, they had to step around the package on the floor- with her full name in big red letters. Plenty of witnesses, hopefully. A videocamera would have been more effective, but this was back in the day when they were bigger. It's amazing what denial some people can get into thinking they can avoid subpoenas...

  22. But by Catbeller · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But the decision opened the door.

    Picture this: the church of Scientology decides to nail you, for whatever reason.

    They set up a court case, timing the service of process for some time you are not available, and would be unaware of the matter.

    After not finding you in person, they serve up an e-summons to an email account you don't use much. Stipulated in the summons: if you don't respond, you automatically lose your case.

    After a set period of time, you are informed that you have lost your house, your car, and maybe even your job, depending on many fake charges they managed to pile on you, because the judge automatically ruled you guilty of whatever BS they thought up.

    My family, long ago, lost a civil case because the bailiff mispronounced our last name so badly that we didn't approach the judge. The plaintiff, although he knew we were there, swifty told the judge we were absent, and we lost the case by default.

    Wonderful, ain't it?