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Wireless Networking Research at Berkeley

zootallure writes "An interesting article about a self-configuring, wireless networking project going on at Berkeley's Wireless Research Center. Apparently, these Berkeley guys are convinced that they're going to leave Bluetooth and 802.11 in the dust."

165 comments

  1. Security? by ChazeFroy · · Score: 2

    Although obviously a generic press release, but cute that they don't mention security concerns.

    1. Re:Security? by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      PicoRadio doesn't appear to be based on 802.11x at all so it doesn't have the same issues. Now it could have other issues, but I imagine that with all of the publicity that 802.11x garnered, that real security is being considered.

  2. Anyone can make a speedy network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But the trick is to make one that's useful across a broad spectrum of uses.

    If it weren't for all the TCP/IP crap, network transmissions would be pretty fast. The transmissions would also be pretty useless.

    1. Re:Anyone can make a speedy network by sketchy_gomez · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, if you read the article, high speed is not the purpose of this research project. Rather, a self-configuring, micropower distributed network which appears to be geared towards sensor applications. In fact, each sensor requires so little power that ambient radiation is sufficient to run the thing!

      It's likely that the true killer applications of this technology have not yet been proposed yet. For example, a network of biological implants might be possible that take measurements from several points and then perform some useful computations. The wireless communication and micropower features would be very attractive (provided that the body doesn't attenuate the operating frequency too much..)

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    2. Re:Anyone can make a speedy network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you read the article

      It's hard to read the article when I'm vying for a FP.

      As for your other scenario. Wouldn't it be cool if these biological implants allowed us to perform 'distributed thinking'? Perhaps allow society to move away from a competitive infrastructure to one of cooperation. If only we could convince others to join us... Imagine the possibilities!

    3. Re:Anyone can make a speedy network by szap · · Score: 1

      One small step towards Vernor Vinge's distributed sensors (IIRC) used in Deepness In the Sky. Remote, semi-powered networked sensors, capable of distributed computing, espionage, etc, etc.

      Bah. My description doesn't do it justice, anyone with a more recent memory of the book describe it for the rest of the world?

    4. Re:Anyone can make a speedy network by szap · · Score: 1

      Ah, got it! I meant to say Vernor Vinge's "Localizers", which is also similar to Neal Stephenson's Diamond Age's [geo|micro|aero]stats.

      As for power, his localizers used power from microwave transmissions.

    5. Re:Anyone can make a speedy network by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

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  3. just what we need more of... by benjamindees · · Score: 1

    a device "no bigger than a shirt button" capable of "tracking items or people" that "can harvest all the energy it needs from its environment."

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    1. Re:just what we need more of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They would think I ditched my bug in the basement.

    2. Re:just what we need more of... by ahde · · Score: 2

      can we get a +1, Ironic for the signature

    3. Re:just what we need more of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then everyone stopped smoking crack!

  4. Wanna know the future of wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just look at wired networks. That's where wireless is going (but it's not gonna reach it, read on). The enemy of wireless is the 1/r^2 law. One must try to reduce r by using multiple base stations and complex protocols so that the r in each "hop" is as small as possible (saves energy, reduces interference). When r is 0 then it's called a wired network, which is the most efficient design, but which is unfortunately *not* wireless. But the design will look the same. So keep reducing those r's, and look at wired design for inspiration.

    1. Re:Wanna know the future of wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or - Ricochet used a reduced power level and small cell sizes to great effect. Rather than the high power requirements of cell phone, and accordingly large cell sizes (aren't they like 5 miles diameter?), the Ricochet network used low power (less than 1 watt transmitted power) and a 1/4 mile radius cell (micro cell). The cell radio was a smallish box able to be installed lots of places, usually on light poles along the street (called "poletop" accordingly). Packets would hop along from poletop to poletop to a "Wired Access Point" (WAP) to which one or more leased data lines would run (e.g. T1 or better). Within each urban area the WAP's leased lines would congregate into a master unit for the metro area, a Network Interface Facility (NIF) for further routing of packets to the Internet at large.

      Back at the micro cells, the small cell size allowed for excellent bandwidth reuse. Because each cell covers such a small area, there are lots more cells, thus lots more bandwidth available in the total system. Also the ubiquity of microcells made for a more reliable mesh network, as packets could hop around dead poletops, etc.

      It's such a shame Ricocht died. It was purely due to bad management, along with outright lies made by management. The technology was excellent, and if managed well and marketed well had an excellent window of opportunity to make a big splash. Right now, though, with imminent neo-3G install's by the cell phone companies, it's unlikely that Aerie Networks will be able to make a go of it. Especially as they're refusing to hire the former Metricom tech's to help get the network running.

      - David

  5. Err... I think the artcle post is a bit off... by arivanov · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ultra low power and ultra low bit rate

    Either the pressdrone have misheard or this is a specific project. Something like the X10 but on the air. It is quite cool for controlling devices and collecting data and stuff but it is a different niche. It is not competing with 802.11b(a) as suggested in the post

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    1. Re:Err... I think the artcle post is a bit off... by quintessent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're exactly right. The post doesn't even mention power, which is the whole point of this technology. This actually sounds cool. Do Slashdot's editors do this on purpose, or are they just being sloppy?

      According to Rabaey, each node in the picoradio network will draw no more than 100 microwatts of power, three orders of magnitude less than 802.11b's 300 milliwatts. The benefits of such a low power network are obvious: no batteries are needed because each node can harvest all the energy it needs from its environment.

    2. Re:Err... I think the artcle post is a bit off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh heh.

      bingo, bob's yer uncle.

    3. Re:Err... I think the artcle post is a bit off... by Goody · · Score: 1

      This is typical of Slashdot. The editors don't have a clue about wireless, except that it's kewl and articles about it will get page hits for the new uber banners. To hell with research, journalism, or even proper spelling, we need page hits. Everyone thought this site was a pioneering journalistic community effort, but it was really someone's attempt to learn Perl and be r00t on a server.

      Getting back on topic so I don't get karma raped, hams have been experimenting for years with low power operation, which is called QRP. It's amazing what low power can do. There's hams that have communicated thousands of miles with just millwatts of power.

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    4. Re:Err... I think the artcle post is a bit off... by 56ker · · Score: 1

      Well we all need page hits! Why do you think I have a hyperlink in my signature block - but going back on topic - any robot that far away would have to have virtual autonomy over its control because of the time delay involved in controlling it from Earth. The reason HAM radio can communicate on such low power is because in that waveband there is hardly any background noise to overcome.

  6. Hmm by sulli · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    And I just got my AirPort to work, too. Oh well!

    (first post from it)

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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  7. XFM must be happy about this by red5 · · Score: 2

    They should try to get some funding from the XFM people.
    Since they are all paranoid about 802.11.

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    1. Re:XFM must be happy about this by digitalsushi · · Score: 2

      Do you have a link? I'd like to read more about what you say.

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      slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
    2. Re:XFM must be happy about this by Goody · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not actually paranoia, the satellite radio folks are trying to keep part 15 devices from interfering with their equipment. Right now they can shut down a part 15 (i.e. ISM / 802.11) system even if it is complying with out of band emmissions specifications. By tightening the out-of-band specifications, they put the responsiblity on the equipment manufacturer and not the end user.

      If anyone is paranoid, it's the 802.11 people. They're predicting the end of wireless ISPs and most don't have a clue what this is about.

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  8. Not really competing with 802.11b/Bluetooth? by Akardam · · Score: 2

    From the gist of the article, it looks like this application is targeted more towards autonomous control networks; i.e. the example they cited of having these notes talk to each other in a building to control the environmental settings. Basically, these units sound like they'd be ideal in environments where there was limited or no power available, to transmit very small amounts of data in an un-supervised, and really un-maintained fashion, situations where 802.11b/Bluetooth would be overkill. Can anyone else think of other possible uses?

    1. Re:Not really competing with 802.11b/Bluetooth? by splashSnot · · Score: 1

      How about exploring Mars? Allowing small drones / rovers to be dispatched over a landscape sending their data back some centralised position, would the power saving be large enough to justify it, who knows?

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    2. Re:Not really competing with 802.11b/Bluetooth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tracking inventory. Where is crate 1132? Ah, it's down row 12 on the third shelf, behind box 1080.

      Do you have Item X? Yes, we have 14 in the store, but 2 are already in shopping carts.

      Is my widget going to be shipped today? Yes, it's over on that airplane right now.

      UPS/Fedex/Sears/Anybody with a warehouse would love this. And since there's no power supply requirements, you can just stick this on a box and leave it for years. No more scanning barcodes! How much faster would Fedex be if they didn't have to stop to scan boxes before every stage? The boxes could just report in themselves!

  9. Military Applications by nurightshu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As I was reading the article, I was thinking that picoradio would make an excellent addition to a modern soldier's loadout. As low-power as they are, the transceivers could be used to share data within the small-unit level without radiating enough energy to alert an enemy.

    Combine these with the Army's Intervehicular Information System (IVIS), and commanders would have real-time, accurate information on the location of not just every tank, APC, and field artillery piece on the battlefield, but also each soldier. It would definitely work to reduce the number of friendly fire incidents that occur in a future conflict.

    Plus, you could connect them to biomonitor equipment that would allow medic teams to both locate and triage injured personnel much faster.

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    1. Re:Military Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And not letting Arabs near planes would reduce the wars where friendly fire occurs.

      Also, let's not let Iraqis near Kuwait, or Germans near the Saarland.

      And while we're at it, why don't we keep you away from computers? Just because you end your message with a cute little wink doesn't make it any less inflammatory.

    2. Re:Military Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eep! What an egregious violation of their
      constitutionally-protected rights!

    3. Re:Military Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do all constiutional rights even apply to soldiers? Or are some of them just a "civilian thing?"

    4. Re:Military Applications by roe1352 · · Score: 1

      note that the above was written by an Anonymous Coward. Im glad to see you stand up and be proud.

    5. Re:Military Applications by aluminumcube · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I might not know what I am talking about here, but isn't the idea of putting a bunch of wireless sensors on individual infantry soldiers sort of a bad idea?

      What is the possibility of a hostile force getting the very basic technology needed to pick up those transmissions and use them to locate said 'wireless enabled' soldier. Sure, the data itself would be encrypted, but with the location and movement vectors of a soldier who is using the system, you have all the information you need to make fairly dramatic changes in that soldier's biometric monitoring.

  10. Its already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its nit into you clothes. Check for yourself!

  11. Interesting research by soundsop · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw Jan Rabaey's talk at the International Solid-State Circuits Conference (ISSCC, the hardest of hardcore circuit conferences). The research is bold and fairly interesting. The slides from the presentation are worth the read. The research might not pan out, but it's definitely worth a shot.

    You can find more technical info about his research on the PicoRadio page.

  12. Possible Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be great to be able to sprinkle these devices around a building or campus (weather-proof them) and then have a low-speed communication network in place. You could transmit pages/notifications, GPS data, any data that has high value and low bytes.

    Quick question; why can't these devices harvest their energy from existing (FM) radio signals? I'm not sure if that's possible, in the same sense that a proximity card is activated by the radio waves from a reader?

  13. Re:What about Beowulf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hell yea

  14. Of course the real question is...... by prophase_j · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I build it into a pringles can?

    1. Re:Of course the real question is...... by rlowe69 · · Score: 2

      Can I build it into a pringles can?

      Which then naturally leads to ...

      Imagine a wireless Beowulf cluster of pringles cans!!

      Now where did I put my hot grits??

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      ----- rL
  15. Re:Me too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also hate my parents, but I love soft bed sheets.

  16. MP3 player included by villoks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Two friends of mine is working in that project. As some of the posters have already noted, it's aiming to be something different than current systems e.g. ultra-cheap transmitters, which uses as less energy as possible. They are not quite yet there (as the article metions), the first prototype is actually quite large and uses lot of energy, but on the other hand only it's aimed to be a "proof-of-concept"

    Their current prototype has also a built-in MP3-decoder chip (really!) so it's possible that RIAA & CO will try to shut down the project with DMCA :-)

    Here's the homepage of the project.

    V.

    1. Re:MP3 player included by mike_g · · Score: 1

      Those MP3's must sound great running at less than 10Kbit/sec.This is definitely too slow to stream, and much slower than 56K modems to transfer. Is the goal to be able to remotely control a MP3 player (that has its own local storage or fast network connection)? The MP3 decoder seems like a waste of space and power to me. These devices seem much better suited for text and sensor communications.

  17. Debugging og wireless-networking by alapalaya · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    One of the most relevant problem of wireless networking, at the moment, is the way you can debug it.
    I quote from 'Unix System Administration Handbook' (3rd edition):
    Debugging a wireless network is also something of a black art, since a wide range of variables come into play when there are problems. In short, wireless is currently a neat toy for homes, small offices, conferences, or the beach, but it's not going to replace wired corporate backbones anytime soon.
    I would like much to know about researchs in this issue of the wireless networking: if you propose a new wireless network model, it's ok, but: how can I debug it...
    I have a dream: wireless networks as easy to debug as RJ45-based Ethernet ones.

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    1. Re:Debugging og wireless-networking by Detritus · · Score: 1

      You just whip out your $60,000 spectrum analyzer. What's the problem?

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    2. Re:Debugging og wireless-networking by alapalaya · · Score: 1

      ....onion.... the problem is onion!
      whenever somebody around ate onion my spectrum analyzer goes mad! :)

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      667 The Neighbour of the Beast
  18. terminator by pyrim · · Score: 1

    The network could then configure itself--without any human intervention....sounds a bit like skynet only these things generate their own energy so we cant even try to pull the plug.

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  19. Re:Military Applications:Stealthy too! by t0qer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since these things are the size of a shirt button, millions of them could probably be dumped from a C130. They're light enough to not smash into a billion pieces when they hit the ground and their sheer numbers would make it impossible for enemies to effectively wipe them out.
    From the article:

    the nodes would monitor variables like temperature variation, light conditions, humidity factors and building occupancy.

    What would be neat is if they used natural packaging, such as faux rocks, or seeds. Even thistles that could stick to the enemy.

  20. The US Military already knows by jpmorgan · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're called ad-hoc wireless networks and the military is fully aware of their potential - both systems for maintaining reliable communications on a rapidly changing battlefield, and also the potential to drop thousands of small sensors from planes, etc... They first started looking into them in the early '70s, just after the development of the first wired packet-switching networks.

    In 1972 DARPA (the same people that brought you ARPANet, which later grew into the Internet as we know it) created a research project into a packet radio network, a.k.a. PRNet. They didn't get it working until around 1980, but in the end it did work, and was pretty fast too.

    The research was eventualy taken by the Army, Navy and Air Force who all started working on ad-hoc wireless networks tailored for their particular needs (for example, while the Army is mostly interested in fairly short-range applications, which this would be useful for, the Navy and Air Force are interested in algorithms to create reliable connectivity between ships, aircraft and ground stations that are below the horizon from each other through networks of satellites and aircraft).

    Current US military implementations of ad-hoc wireless networks that I'm aware of are the US Army TF XXI's Tactical Internet, the US Navy's ELB (Extending the Littoral Battlespace) ACTD (Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration) and DARPA's GloMo (Global Mobile) Information Systems program. These are all, for the most part, a bit more high-powered and high-speed than the system these guys are working on.

    In the public world, the IETF MANET working group are also trying to create a standard for ad-hoc wireless networking, but like the military implementations these are also a bit higher-end than picoradio. But if you're looking for something to wipe the floor with IEEE 802.11, IETF MANET is what to watch - but be prepared to wait a little while.

  21. Re:Smelly hippies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From a discussion forum at a respected university:
    ...

    This is the original version of the Nimda virus. It infects computers
    running Windows NT/2000 with IIS.

    http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,4826 2, 00.html

    dd99 is the account name for Delta Tau Delta. They must be running
    a server with IIS.

    ...
    As you can see, Windows with IIS is the server solution for drunken frat boys who get infected by viruses and hacked. We all know the jokes: DTD stands for Drunk, Too Drunk. Clearly they were drinking too much to realize that Linux is the superior server solution for security, reliability, and performance.

    As a result of their poor choice, the frat server was taken down by a virus-no porn for the boys tonight! The virus continued to send mass emails and attacks to various computers around campus, infuriating the administrators as well as other students, and humiliating the frat. Of course, they don't really care-they're all drunk. But if you care about your server, remember: IIS (I Is Sloshed) is for drunken frat boys.

  22. Some resources by jpmorgan · · Score: 2, Informative

    So this is just a very low-powered ad hoc wireless network, then. *yawn*

    They're talking about creating them to power themselves from their environment, and give examples of generating power from vibrations, or from small solar cells... which makes me wonder whether it would be possible to create picoreadio devices which power themselves from the ambient radiowaves. I know some British scientist built a radio which is entirely self-powered in this way, and it seems to me to be a great way of powering things like these (if their power requirement is low enough). Anyway...

    For those who don't know, an ad hoc wireless network is a wireless network like IEEE 802.11, but entirely self configurating, etc... etc... They're pretty neat things, but there aren't any real implementations outside of the US military, so these guys will really have a first if they get picoradio done soon. They're based on such great acronym^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprotocols such as ZRP (Zone Routing Procol) or DSDV (Destination Sequenced Distance Vector) and DSR (Dynamic Source Routing).

    There is currently an IETF working group (MANET) trying to develop some standards, but there's a lot of research to be done first, so it could be a while before you see anything. Once they do put something out in a few years time, it'll kick IEEE 802.11's ass. =)

    If you want more info on adhoc networks, you can look at MANET's 'official' webpage here. That page is pretty useless though, so you should look at their unofficial website here. It has links to a lot of great resources.

    Ad hoc wireless networks are cool.

    1. Re:Some resources by stevew · · Score: 2

      There IS a system outside the military. It was
      Richochet! Their radio-network was self-organizing!

      Metricom's ORIGINAL product plan called for building a
      system of radios that could be hooked up to Utility meters to
      get rid of meter readers. They needed the network to be self
      organizing so that the radios could be deployed randomly.
      It worked.

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  23. Could this mean!?.... by DarkProphet · · Score: 2

    Out of all the science-fiction in star trek, I would have never guessed that a COM badge would become science-fact.

    Our privacy-hating government would love that. Screw putting all of a person's personal data on a card, just require the use of a COM badge that records your every move, word, which opens doors you are allowed access to, and it also acts as your car key. Whatta world...

    Aside from possible applications, the technology itself is fascinating. Don't look at my pointy ears, buddy.

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    What could possibly hurt the security of the American people more than giving our own government the ability to hide its
  24. how come? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i've been checking slashdot on a regular basis (15 mins) for any updates
    and the moment that a post goes up, theres immediately more than 100 comments posted. Nice to know I'm not alone in what I'm doing.

  25. Darn Kids by ByteHog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Always think they know better. This is a much better protocol for transmiting wirelessly. CPIP (carrier pigeon internet protocol).

    Not only does each node cost a heck of a lot less, but they're self-replicating!

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    1. Re:Darn Kids by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      But the downside is sometimes you get some pretty shitty packets.

  26. Need a better name by soundman32 · · Score: 1

    One of the reasons BlueTooth caught on is the catchy name.
    Unfortunaltely I don't think 'picoradio' has the same buzz. I used to work on a wireless system called DECT (you yanks won't of heard of it, but it's big in Euroland), but even that's not catchy enough.
    Let's give these chaps a better name for their radio...how about GreenFace or RedSpot:-)

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  27. I claim this thread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the name of the troll of spain!

  28. It would seem that only trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Live on /.
    123 comments; only 26 are at 1 or above.

    Biotch!

    1. Re:It would seem that only trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get high on crack rock cocaine

  29. As a current student of Rabaey... by gimlix2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to Rabaey, each node in the picoradio network will draw no more than 100 microwatts of power, three orders of magnitude less than 802.11b's 300 milliwatts. The benefits of such a low power network are obvious: no batteries are needed because each node can harvest all the energy it needs from its environment.

    As a current student in Professor Rabaey's classes, I can say that his ideas are pretty damn cool when he explains it in his own way.

    Sure, it's neat that his nodes will need no energy because it "harvests" energy from it's environment.

    Development is actually going on so that the "harvesting" actually comes from the natural vibration of a wall! [site: dailycal.org]

    So what do you get, a bunch of folks each developing their own thing:
    nodes the size of a button that you just stick on the wall and it just works.

    Pin-and-Play anyone?

    (infomercial voice)Set it and forget it!

    1. Re:As a current student of Rabaey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Development is actually going on so that the "harvesting" actually comes from the natural vibration of a wall!

      Japan might be a good place for harvesting this, with all those earthquakes...

  30. You fail to take it to the logical conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are correct that wired designs are the inspiration, but the true lesson to be learned is that you need point to point connections.

    The obvious future for wireless is fully integrated cheap directional antenna's. On a hunch I looked for MEMS and directional antenna's, didnt really find much straight away. But I did stumble across this company :
    http://www.antenova.com/home.html

    As I said, the idea is obvious so Im sure there are plenty of companies working along the same lines.

  31. Links to other work on wireless adhoc networks by dtmos · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are many other research programs, both academic and industrial, on wireless ad hoc networks, going back at least to the 1978 DARPA-sponsored Distributed Sensor Nets Workshop at Carnegie-Mellon University. Most of the work has been funded by DARPA, by the low-power wireless integrated microsensors (LWIM) project of the mid-1990s and now by the SensIT project. (Their projects page lists more than 25 academic research programs on these networks, complete with links.)

    The University of California at Los Angeles, often working in collaboration with the Rockwell Science Center, has had a Wireless Integrated Network Sensors (WINS) project since 1993. UCLA also supports the similar-but-different "Smart Dust" program, which also employs ultra-low-power networking, but uses optical communication between network nodes.

    Professor Anantha Chandrakasan at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology is the Principal Investigator of the uAMPS (microAMPS) project.

    On the commercial side, these networks are being developed by Ember, graviton, Wherenet, and Motorola, just to name a few.

    The ZigBee industry consortium is the marketing and compliance arm of the IEEE 802.15.4 draft standard, in a relationship similar to that between WECA (with the "Wi-Fi" brand) and IEEE 802.11b. This draft standard for ultra-low-power, ultra-low-cost wireless networking, now under development, should be finished this winter.

  32. Why? by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

    Why should there be ANY security on wireless? There is no security on wired data. That is to say, 802.11 provides no less security than ethernet. Except for the fact that its more easily overheard.

    Security is provided by your application, not your hardware layer. Thats how it should be. Else, once your hardware layer is cracked, ALL your data will be open.

  33. Wake up by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

    Someone needs to tell this guy that wireless is not wired. Why should wireless provide what wired does? AT every stage of the internet there is a most successful transport medium. You dont see gigabit networks in local business or home networks do you? Does that mean the Gigibit networks are not successful?

  34. P2P meets wireless by Quixote · · Score: 2

    From the article:
    "It's almost like querying a database," says Rabaey. "If I send a request into the network saying, 'Give me the temperature in the kitchen,' it propagates through the network until it meets a node that says, 'I'm in the kitchen, and it's 70 degrees.'"

    Reminds you of a P2P network, doesn't it? (just to throw in another buzzword.... :-)

    1. Re:P2P meets wireless by rtaylor · · Score: 2

      Sure.. But I'm certainly not going to configure a few hundred P2P clients for this thing to do all the stuff I'd want it to around my home.

      Temperature, humidity, etc. in each corner of each room of the home. Should also monitor music and light levels adjusting accordingly to where I am.

      Ie. I walk closer to a point light, the light should dim slightly. Walk away and it gets brighter to ensure that I always have a consistent level :)

      Thats alot of configuration for an X10 style setup.

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    2. Re:P2P meets wireless by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Kinda reminds me of how ants communicate: One ant detects danger and sends a signal that is relayed. A2A network?

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  35. Sounds a bit like Vernor Vinge by huntdwumpus · · Score: 1

    Some of the descriptions of the button-sized nodes sound straight out of Vernor Vinge's novel A Deepness in the Sky". Of course, in the novel they were more like grains of dust.

    similar slash story: Nano sized chips
    another related story: Smart Dust

  36. The Human Repeater by randomErr · · Score: 1

    Using this Low Power network you could implant a chip into a person or a group and pass data between each other as passive repeaters. Heck it could possible be an active repeater by using the ambient power by your nervous system. The ultimate living P2P system.

    This could in 30-40 years grow into something between SE Lain and Ghost in the Shell.

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    1. Re:The Human Repeater by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Put these in cars. If your house is too far from the nearest "tower," a car between you and the tower could relay a couple of packets, and then the next car could relay a few more. . . .

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  37. 1/r^2 -- directional antennas? by zenyu · · Score: 1

    1/r^2 only applies to an access node. Once you
    are trying to go point to point you use antennas.
    If it's a dish your loss is entirely do to the media your passing through: Water vapor, tree's, etc.

    The real bottleneck is that in air you can only use limited bandwidth (in the EE sense.) On a wire you get a huge swath of the EM spectrum, and then you get another huge swath on the wire you put next to it. Or, you get a small portion of a really high frequency EM when you install fiber, and again on the fiber you lay next to it.

    Wireless is another LAN & MAN solution, not a backbone solution. Though I'm pretty sure there are microwave links being used to cross Nevada, and why not? Light travels 50% faster in air than in fiber... (EM in clean copper only travels at 2/3 speed too.)

    1. Re:1/r^2 -- directional antennas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1/r^2 matters in pretty much all wireless links. even a point to point link using directional antenna's has a 1/r^2 factor - there is just a constant multiplier for the "antenna gain" from directionality. diffraction theory shows that no antenna can be perfectly directional, so link range still matters.

      1/r^2 is the key for very low power radio networks. it tells us that it costs less total power to have ten 1 meter links doing multihop than it does to have a single 10 meter link. thus, the denser the network becomes the the lower total power and power per node become.

      the fact that light travels faster in air than fiber or cable is relatively unimportant - delays at routers are typically greater than time of flight through the channel. the real issue in backbones is troughput, and possibly also energy/bit if there are limits on transmit power.

      also, it is worth pointing out that in fiber you only get a small portion of spectrum compared to the frequency you are using. in actuality, the width of the available spectrum in fiber is greater than the entire EM spectrum used in radio communication.

  38. Re: i wonder... by NorthDude · · Score: 0

    I wonder if this will be moderated as redundant hehe

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  39. CAN (Car area Network) by mrnick · · Score: 1

    I always thought that cars could be used for wireless cells. Just think bandwidth would improve during rush hour! whhhoOOoHhoooo!

    Nick

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    1. Re:CAN (Car area Network) by Sleeper+Service · · Score: 1

      Actually, there has been a project called CarNet, a proposed improvement to the routing protocols of the MANET project, which looks at protocols for IP routing over mobile nodes.

  40. Synthetic directional antennas? by Doubting+Thomas · · Score: 1

    Wasn't NASA recently bragging how one of their satellites recently designed (launched?) had a directional high gain antenna that was made out of hundreds of tiny nondirectional antennas. To achieve a directional signal, each antenna broadcasts at a slight time skew to achieve constructive interference in the direction you wished to broadcast (and presumably, in the opposite direction as well).

    In theory, this should trickle down to consumer devices in 5 years or so. A portable device should be able to analyze the direction of incoming signals from the base station (by trangulation on its microantenna array) to figure out which way to broadcast the response.

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    1. Re:Synthetic directional antennas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds like a phased array approach, that was pioneered in radar actually.

      Anyway, there are already aimable solid state antenna's on a far smaller scale usable by mobile electronics so no need for any trickle down from Nasa.

      http://www.antenova.com/home.html

    2. Re:Synthetic directional antennas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They actually trash the phased array approach a bit in their FAQ, they say it cant be minituarized very well (ideally you want a system you can put on an IC).

  41. Another link to work on wireless adhoc networks by Sleeper+Service · · Score: 1

    Gupta seems to have missed PEN (formerly PicoNet), a low power network developed by AT&T Labs Cambridge (formerly Olivetti and Oracle Research Labs). They built some prototype hardware and designed power-saving radio protocols for it. Further work with PEN has been done at the Laboratory for Communications Engineering at Cambridge University.