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Microsoft/Unisys Unix-bashing Site Runs FreeBSD
Several people sent in variations on this: "Kind of ironic to see that the the site, dubbed WeHaveTheWayOut from Microsoft and Unisys runs on an Apache Web server powered by FreeBSD. This could have made a great April Fools joke, unfortunately for Microsoft, you can verify it by using Netcraft." This is a follow-up to the original story a few days ago. Other readers noted that there's already a WeHaveTheWayIn site up. Wehavethewayout.com was returning Apache headers yesterday; today it's returning "Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0", so it appears they've dumped FreeBSD in a hurry, or maybe just changed the headers.
Um, uploading a custom 404 page is hardly brain surgery. I thought microsoft did that to all their sites, people were bitching that lots of places were returning IIS-style http error pages even when running freebsd during the hotmail conversion project.
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Shall we?
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www.anna-nicole-smith-nude.com
www.ex-microsof
www.cannabis.com
www.dykesworld.de
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www.germanparts.com
Don't know about that last one... but I'm not going to visit it.
Plus, slashbots, get this: THE IP CHANGED from 198.63.57.204 to 130.94.214.143. They're both hosted by Verio. Maybe that's all they had available at the time, before they moved to a dedicated server. Ooh, here's another idea: who the fuck cares? It's like saying that since the Zone runs Linux on their stats page... Lynch them! Lynch them!
Has anyone noticed that if you click the "JOIN" button on that site that the functionality is implemented in JSP? So the anti-Unix site is using BSD/Apache and Java. Nice.
To respond to myself:
One way I think the site could be improved is to have a list of big companies that have converted to Linux/BSD recently. We could make a 'best of Linux users' listing from the following pages:
SUSE ccasestudies
Lufthansa
RedHat casestudies
Oracle, Amazon, Merrill Lynch
IBM case studies
Shell, NCSA
HP Case studies
Dreamworks, Boeing
I guess NASA should go on the list somewhere.
Any more?
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What about win2k's own remote administration application ? , not good enough for MS ?
Microsoft *is* bashing people to conform to their ways-- that's what the whole "wayout" site is about. They are being mocked now because they are bashing people to do things the MS way when even they aren't doing it themselves.
In any case, even if there were a mixed attitude, that should be no surprise. There are a lot of different people who post to
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For those too lazy to click the link, fear a hidden goatse or find netcraft slow at the moment:
The site homepages.msn.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 on Solaris.
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
news.com.COM? Is that different from news.com?
look at the other sites the hosting provider are hosting with netcraft.
top of their list:
ex-microsoft.com
Really, most people don't. I mean, I rarely hear someone make a comment like ``I'm not going to do business with them; look, their website runs on a machine from Bob's House of Discounted Server Software''. But, really, this is a lot to do with image. Techies drooling over Apache or chuckling at the guy using IIS aren't the people that are going to really take notice.
... uhh ... irony.''
It's the bosses, CxOs, and the like that are looking for a technology solution and see ``We can get you out of the trap of using Unix. Our stuff is just as good, and cheaper to boot, and will server your needs as well. Please ignore the fact that we're not using our own technology. We can still produce kickass stuff. We're just not using it outselves for
And those people are the ones that you don't want to pull a poorly handled shell game on, because, in the end, they're the ones that make the buying decisions.
-- My work here is done. If you need me again, just admit to yourself that you're screwed, and die.
Would you buy a Hyundai from a salesman who drives a Toyota? I wouldn't.
That's a bit of an understatement. Maybe a better statement would be "Would you buy a Hyundai from a salesman who bashes Toyotas as being unreliable, expensive and unsafe, but sends his kids to school in a Corrolla?"
You'd lose that wager. I look at source code all the time to solve problems. I haven't had a problem yet that I haven't been able to discover exactly why it happened. If necessary I patch the source code to fix the problem, otherwise I just use my new understanding of the problem to see that it doesn't happen again.
Which is why I made the statement about under-knowledgeable personnel. I can tell you exactly why my server is failing and create a fix for it. The smartest Windows NT/2000 experts still must rely on voodoo. I can fix just about any problem in NT/2000 but a percentage of the time I don't know why I fixed it. (Turning off a setting and then turning it back on fixes some things. Why? Rebooting fixes things. Why?)
I know that everything in Windows is completely scriptable. I heard all about the "I love you" virus/worm/whatever.
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ok this is it !!! you can download some unix binary files like the command 'ls' http://www.wehavethewayout.com/bin/ls there are some more, it looks like microsoft was to stupid to configure a freebsd server hahaha microsoft sucks bigtime !
I couldn't agree more. FreeBSD is absolutely Unix to the core. But with marketing types spreading FUD around, and The Open Group currently holding the Unix name hostage, there are differences. For example, on the freebsd.org webpage, up until a few months ago, the first paragraph read something like "FreeBSD is ... a BSD Unix," while now the page says "derived from BSD Unix" since The Open Group compained over trademark issues. Anyway, I just thought the distinction (however stupid it is) might be worth mentioning.
-- Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with a baseball bat.
"Hotmail's original failed NT conversion"
But Philly... That never happened. Why can't you Linux zealots come up with useful experiences and not rely upon myths and misinterpretations? Like that stupid Navy ship article that keeps getting misinterpreted.
The stories of hotmail switching over to NT came out only 2 months after the purchase of the website was announced. Anybody remotely familiar with corporate buyouts and software development knows that wasn't enough time. Furthermore, a search on deja.com reveals that there were no major outages of hotmail.com during that time frame, whereas nearly every other major outage of the service is easily found in the archives.
What we do know, from Microsoft articles, is that hotmail.com development switched over to Windows NT. In an effort to get higher performance, the CGI was rewritten in C++ and highly tuned on Windows NT development boxes. It was then recompiled for FreeBSD and deployed. They did this because NT offers better development/debug tools than what was available on FreeBSD.
We also know that hotmail.com eventually switched over to Windows 2000 on their web servers. I would have thought that conversion would have finally put an end to the myth, but apparently Linux zealots just can't get enough of revisiting the past.
BTW, I'm a GM employee who doesn't drive a GM car. There are actually quite a few of us, although I work in the GMAC financial side, not the auto manufacturing.
P.S. www.linux64.com runs on IIS5, so I guess that means Linux sucks, right?
They definitely are up to some weird, inconsistent shit, that is for sure. HTTP and POP both report Windows software; and someone else said the FTP server also did (read through the comments, here and there). But you can download /bin/ls and `strings` reports it is most definitely a FreeBSD ELF, complete with some rather obvious RCS $Id$ tags.
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>photographed with Coca Cola products
about 10 years ago, our vegas brewing club (snafu) attended a lot of chili cookoffs, which generally benefitted some charity or another. We'd take contributions, and only tended to share our beer with those that had donated at our booth.
At one of these, our president, who was, uhh, outgoing, even when sober (if that ever happened
Believe it or not, they did, though their bodyguard was a bit uneasy. And not a single one of us had a bloody camera!!!!!
*sigh*
hawk
Oh, so buying UNIX is still a good idea? Perhaps that ad campaign should have a footnote.
once they switched to MS it crashed. Here is an article about the whole thing again.
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-874132.html
Go Surf.
I like the fact that now they have the site switched to the new server and I'm getting the "Directory Listing Denied" proving that Windows may be easier to manage, but to manage it properly still takes effort. Apparently even for the Microsoft techs. I did the quick search for all the default/index pages and could not find the correct page, it appears to have been deleted/stopped or just flat out busted
Of course they were running on unix themselves! They were locked in, they were unable to stop paying for the expensive so called unix 'experts'. They were *hoping* we could ALL find a way out TOGETER.
:D
One of my colleague who is an UNIX guru, but has absolutely no knowledge in Microsoft, nothing really, but he decided to find a job in Microsoft. He even told the truth to the interviewer.
To our surprise he was hired at about US$75,000/year. A year later we found that he *still* has very little knowledge about Micosoft's products, and he was very holding back when we asked him what does he do in Microsoft.
So Microsoft pays US$75,000.00 a guy to do nothing? I guess not.