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New PlayStation 2 Chip

Iron Chef Japan writes "Sony has announced that they have fit the PlayStation 2 Emotion Engine, and the Graphics Synthesizer on to a single chip using a 0.13-micron process. This will allow Sony to make three times more PlayStation 2's annually, so it's all for the better."

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  1. Re:Performance boost? by CMiYC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. Since the console is a known hardware target, Sony can not alter its specifications on the fly. That would cause serioues problems to developers with writing uniform software. This is not to say it wouldn't be possible to increase performance, however. Developers rely on each console operating the same way. Very serious developers even rely on various operations to execute in a specific amount of time. If one spin of the board did certain operations faster, it would be a nightmare on developers. They have a hard enough time as it is.

  2. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The new model will have exactly the same specs as the old one. This is not a PC based architecture, speeding it up could very well effect the playability (to do with timing) of existing games. One of the disadvantages of a highly low-level environment

    This is purely to:

    a: reduce the number of chips that they have to have custom made, thereby allowing them to more efficiently use their existing production facilities and make more PS2's per year.

    b: reduce the cost of the PS2 to produce so that they can sell it at a lower price, to make people want to buy it when given the choice of the pretty(graphics, can you say easy, low cost anti-aliasing) X-Box at a similiar price point.

    There is a possibility they may update the case somewhat to distingish the new model (eg: playstation vs PS1)

    Samn that made me look pro X-Box. I have a PS2, but the blocky graphics gets on my nerves. Pity anti-aliasing has to be done on the CPU and is therfore rarely done :-(

  3. Re:Performance boost? by hattig · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Although the new chip could theoretically run a lot faster (say 500MHz), the advantage of consoles is the fixed hardware over their lifespan. This means that games can be designed for the one fixed hardware platform to run on, and it will run on all PS2s ever sold.

    The architecture may also not be designed to be clocked that much higher - think short pipelines, etc.

    This means that the new PS2 is liable to be a lot cooler than the old PS2... and cheaper to boot with one less chip on the motherboard, and the other major chip costing less to make.

    Lets just wait for the overclocks :)

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  4. Lame story... by RatOmeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How lame is this? Our wonderful "story" is merely a reference to a post on gamefu which, itself, points to no credible source.

    Slashdot: "Sony says... cause Gamefu says that Nikkei Microdevice says that Sony says..."

    Good, God. I don't really doubt it's happened, but where's the interview? Where's the real scoop? I'd rather know a bit more than this. I'd like to know what else might get integrated; I don't consider squeezing 2 chips into 1 is going redefine the marketplace, or even Sony's bottomline.

    Mod as you will, and let's hope someone on Slashdot can post a link with more info...

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  5. Re:Allowing for a drop in price perhaps? by tshak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    well, if you call all 2 good games for the Xbox compitition

    How does a Troll get modded as insightful? Oh, it's against an MS product!

    Besides the obvious fact that "good games" is a subjective topic, there are a lot of good exclusive games on the XBox (RalliSport, Halo, JSRF, DOA3, etc...). And the "PS2 Remakes" (Like MGS X) are really "Game remakes with better graphics" and hopefully gameplay improvements based on feedback from the PS2 version. Just because it was on PS2 first, doesn't mean the game won't be at least as good, if not better on the XBox. There's no doubt that PS2's game library is incredible, but that doesn't make the XBox's (temporarily) smaller library something to scoff at. I also find it funny that you don't diss on the GC, considering that they have a lot less games, and aside from a few really fun games (like Super Smash Brothers), there are complete genres missing from it's library.

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  6. Re:PS2 pricing and XBox... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Don't forget Sony's price move with the PS1. It was $250 for months but the DAY before the N64 was officially announced Sony dropped the price to $200. Nintendo was then forced announced the N64 at $200 rather than $250 when it shipped. Sony literally took AT LEAST $50Million (probably more like $150Million+) from Nintendo with that move. Wicked.
    Of course, if Microsoft were to do this to somebody, everybody would be screaming. But if Sony, or anybody else does it, then it's exactly what it is; good business practice.
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  7. Re:This is unnecessary. by 19Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "If you still pay $50 for a silly plastic disc and some paper, you're a sucker."

    It's because of this (very wrong) mindset that piracy is so rampant.

    You aren't paying that much for a "silly plastic disc and some paper", you are paying for the man hours and labor of some dozens of people, all working together for year long stints or more to create graphics, models, artwork, scripting, a storyline and then put it all together into a coherent package so that you can sit down, play and enjoy the game for some 10-50 hrs (depending on the game genere.)

    If you really think this, then you simply have NO freaking clue what is involved in the production of a modern video game, which today, rivals the scale and budgets of major motion pictures, of which "only" provide you with 2 or so hrs of non-interactive entertainment.

  8. Re:hrrm ... by Afrosheen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    True. Like I said earlier, they had to build a new plant and design new processes/manufacturing techniques just to produce their chip. They (sony and hitachi) were trailblazers at the time. The complexity cost them quality with early development because even though they had the tech, they didn't have many good or easy to use tools to take advantage of it. The ps1 was no different in this respect.

    In contrast the Xbox developers have it easy. Mature development tools, a well-known platform, etc. Despite this the Xbox just doesn't have any must-buy games and the controller sucks. There's just no compelling, console-specific software on Xbox yet.

  9. The X-box WILL take off... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... because if history is any indication, then the console with the most shovelware titles invariably wins. Atari 2600: shovelware. (Remember E.T.?) NES: shovelware. PlayStation: shovelware.

    True, a lot of great games are released for these systems but the idea is to get "a library of over a hojillion titles" because new game developers, if they want their game to sell well, will jump on board the biggest bandwagon.

    It may not be doing so hot now, but a few more quality titles and the X-box will be king.

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  10. I'll tell you by Mongoose · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Lack of Japanese style games on xbox

    2. Several faulty xbox consoles ruined MS' rep

    3. MS refused to admit (2) was true

    4. Till this day MS won't replace discs destoried by (2), just the console itself

    5. Two of Japan's largest retailers quit selling the console because of (2) and (4)

    ...so to answer no content for the market, and poor customer service.

  11. Re:PS2 pricing and XBox... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As opposed to Sony, which is, arguably, a monopoly in the game world these days (having crushed the Saturn, N64 AND Dreamcast) AND has a much wider base of markets and products from which to transfer funds?

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