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Bertelsman Seeks to Buy Napster

jbc writes: "SF Gate is one of several places carrying the story that Bertelsman, which already invested a significant amount of money in Napster, is now looking to buy Napster outright. This is based on an interview with Bertelsman CEO Thomas Middelhoff that was published last week in the German newspaper Die Welt."

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  1. Sure, go ahead... by Kid+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can have it, we're finished playing with it by now. :)

  2. Oooh, the Germans are mad at me, I'm soo scared! by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

    It'll probably end up like that Simpsons episode where Germans buy the Springfield nuclear plant from Mr. Burns, then when they realize it's completely broken down and profitless, they're forced to sell it back for a fraction of what they got it for...

  3. Easiest way to ensure Napster's legality by Dead+Penis+Bird · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By owning it, Bertlesmann can easily enforce the licenses on any BMG artist. With a label owning Napster, it lens it some legitimacy, and other labels may follow suit and sell licenses for their artists as well.

    An interesting experiment, indeed.

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  4. Perhaps? by tacokill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps Bertelsman is taking a different strategic view of what is going on? They see the "other 4" going down an increasingly miserable road and decide that they are going to differentiate themselves by trying a sort-of napster like model (where piracy becomes a cost of doing business - like software). That's my guess.

  5. Other things he's bought recently by btellier · · Score: 5, Funny

    - BETA-Max Videotapes, Inc.
    - Disco Ball factory
    - Menudo
    - 386 12mhz, 20mb HDD, 640k RAM and a copy of Commander Keen

    1. Re:Other things he's bought recently by xtheunknown · · Score: 3, Funny
      Back when I was a college student, the computer we had was so slow we could make coffee from scratch (including picking the beans) before it would boot up. It had a hand crank too. And to get to the computer center we had to walk 20 miles up hill (both directions) in the snow (even in summer). We would have killed for a 386 12mhz, 20mb HDD, 640k RAM!


      And what's wrong with Menudo?

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  6. Corporate media mergers by Artifice_Eternity · · Score: 4, Informative

    This comes on the heels of dozens of other mergers since the 1996 Telecom Deregulation Act. While I agree that Napster is not terribly relevant these days, it does look like the media titans are gradually getting more savvy about the Internet. Will they buy up the current crop of music-trading networks next?

    Michael Powell of the FCC is actually actively lobbying to tear down the rules against greater concentration of media mergers. And of course the RIAA and the companies that are buying up all the radio stations (Clear Channel, Infiniti, etc.) are helping to shut down webcasting. Pretty soon the media landscape could look something like this...

  7. Does it really matter? by hosebee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many adults like myself take a civil disobedience type approach to music sharing. I buy as many CDs (if not more) than I used to, but I unabashedly use these services to make sure those CDs I buy are going to be worth it. People that fall more or less in this category (I think) are waiting for a good digital music policy from the major labels(although there seems to be no light at the end of this tunnel).

    However, as I've seen with my little sister and her friends (and others of the pre-teen to teen age group), they have "grown up" on free music whenever they want it, so "why buy the CD?". At this young age, none of them had given any thought (nor had I at that age) to Intellectual Property and the other issues regularly discussed in the heyday of Napster.

    It is the difference between "The artist certainly has rights, but the industry is subverting the process to their substantial benefit, and this must be altered." and "Hey, we have a right to free music, how dare you take it away?"

    And obviously, this demographic is too large to ignore.

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    1. Re:Does it really matter? by Crag · · Score: 3, Insightful
      However, as I've seen with my little sister and her friends (and others of the pre-teen to teen age group), they have "grown up" on free music whenever they want it, so "why buy the CD?". At this young age, none of them had given any thought (nor had I at that age) to Intellectual Property and the other issues regularly discussed in the heyday of Napster.

      I hope anyone who buys anything from me does so because they feel what I offer has value and they wish to cooperate with me by exchanging some money for some goods or services. I'd be sickened if I thought I was only paid because people thought they had to pay me.

      I don't think trade is something we learn by experience, but rather it's something which springs up naturally from a feeling of respect.

      On the other hand, intellectual property is a very strange concept indeed, and I will probably release all of my intellectual or artistic creations as public domain. The amount of work I put into them doesn't change with their popularity. Their value to others may be greater, and I would accept any compensation offered, but once the information is released, it has a life of its own.

    2. Re:Does it really matter? by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not *JUST* music, or software, or movies or anything else for that matter. What you're seeing is the results of society wide elimination of any sort of honor system. Take a peek at this (cnn). A lack of honor is running through our whole society. Unfortunantly, most people just don't (or won't) recognize that. It's all related folks. Kids cheat on tests and steal music and software. The RIAA uses it's power to try and lock competitors out of the game. A certain software company releases substandard software in order to maintain their marketshare and gain an advantage in unrelated fields. Companies and stock brokerships lie and cheat to make a few bucks. Politicians say anything and do anything in order to get elected. You know..people complain about how our youth (and I'm one of them for the most part..) have a complete lack of morality when it comes to IP...the business and political (hell even the religious world) isn't exactly making such a good example of things. What's especially galling in this case is the actions of the RIAA. They lie, cheat and steal in order to lock up the marketplace from true competition, and abuse the artists. All of a sudden they complain when kids are lying and stealing from them. Bunch of hypocrites.

  8. Damn ... whoda thought by Blue+Neon+Head · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can have no business model, no immediate prospects for profit, be crippled by lawsuits, and have the little service you offer stifled by court order - yet still walk home with $15 million extra in your pocket.

    I bet Shawn Fanning has no regrets.

  9. Bertelsman bought and closed myplay by PhrackCreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bertelsman bought myplay on May 30th, 2001. Fast forward to early 2002, Bertelsman closed myplay's offices, laying off all but a couple of engineers in charge of wharehousing the software.

    Is this some new tactic to buy and close music software companies?

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  10. Filesharing clients... by fruey · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...are only as good as the number of users they have. Napster sucked, but everyone had it, so it sucked a little less.

    <state the obvious> Napster is not the phenomenon, filesharing is. </state the obvious>

    However, that they are ready to pay between $15 and $30 million USD makes me wish I had written a peer-to-peer with central DB software client. Yikes.

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  11. Divide and Conquer by thelizman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, first the music industry (BMG included) pummels Napster into oblivion with lawsuits, then once the company has had enough injunctions to keep it from operating at a profit, and once their stock is on the verge of being downgraded to junk status, they buy them up.

    Isn't there a law against that already?

  12. Could be a good thing... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first record company to properly embrace the internet may be the first to recieve money from me when I end my boycott of the RIAA.

    It's possible that they'll revamp Napster and turn it into something interesting. For example, what if they put up a server with tons of bandwidth and a ton of interesting songs available, complete with a reasonable per-song price. That'd be far better than any other record label is producing nowadays and would be a step in the right direction.

    I just hope they don't put stupid restrictions on it like 'you have to use .WMA format' or 'you cannot legally burn it to a CD.'

    Maybe I'm being over-imaginitive, but it'd be nice to see a music company show some interest in the new market created by the internet, instead of trying to shut it down.

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  13. HOW much? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny
    • Bertelsmann has already loaned Napster an estimated $80 million and has the option to acquire a large stake in the company. Buying Napster outright will reportedly cost Bertelsmann $15 million to $30 million.

    Oh yeah, .com economics. I'd almost forgotten. Actually, this looks a lot like a sort of weird poker game:

    • Bertelsman: We've already bet $80 million and still not seen a red cent back. What the hell did you do with it?
    • Napster: Haha, it'll cost you another $15 million to find out. You haven't got the balls.
    • Bertelsman: Here you go. Show your hand.
    • Napster: Ah. Fuck. [pitter patter pitter patter...]

    The one thing that I would bet on will be that the first thing Bertelsman does is to have a good hard look at Napster's accounts and figure out what the hell did happen to that $80 million. They can't have spend it all on lawyers and a crackpot crippleware scheme, surely? Surely!

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  14. How does it really matter... by HiThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem of the day is the decentralization of power. Groups like the RIAA, and individuals like Senator Hollings have caused this to be be problem of the day (for us, at least ... there are others with much more urgent problems, but we are us).

    I would be quite pleased if I saw a decent way to implement the decentralization of authority. Since I don't, I look at every social challenge to centralized authority as a possible good thing. The RIAA is going for maximal visciousness and to hell with the bystanders anyway, so there is no reason to consider how they feel about things. Therefore, the question to me becomes:

    How can the musicians be supported without simultaneously supporting the RIAA?

    This doesn't mean how can I as an individual support some particular musicians. I could clearly send them a check. It's how can we structure social interactions so that musicians are supported, and the RIAA is not. The clear and obvious answer "Support you local musicians .. buy direct!" works, but the number of such is quite limited. Direct purchase of music over the internet? Possible. CDs seems a more likely format than MP3s, if only for quality reasons.

    There exist problems here. Musicians are frequently coerced into signing exclusive agreements. Etc. So maximally popular groups will tend to be those that have the most advertising dollars spent on them. But this doesn't equate with the maximally talented groups. Perhaps groups that aren't picked as "STARS!!" could sell CDs directly on the web (from their home page) with the MP3s being used as cheap advertising? It might work.

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