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Slashback: Brilliance, Delay, Simputer

Slashback items of note tonight: One more report (the last word?) on the demise of Loki, a good move on the Brilliant/KaZaA front, and a little 12-month oopsie on the release schedule for the newest from Stephenson.

It's all fun and games until you end up in Bankruptcy. Born Game writes: "Loki was supposed to be declared dead today by the bankruptcy trustee. Dennis Powell has followed their story closely, and he has written a wrapup that will break your heart and make you mad."

I hope he's making it longer than Cryptonomicon. We reported that Neal Stephenson's new book Quicksilver was due last month. An anonymous reader pointed to this page at Amazon UK, writing "the book is due out March 6th next year, not this year. Meh."

Maybe calling it Brilliant wasn't such a bright idea. asv108 writes: "According to this article from MP3 Newswire, Cnet's Download.com has removed KaZaA media desktop due to concerns over Brilliant Digital Entertainment's hidden software."

It's still available elsewhere though; if you or someone you love wants to use such software regardless, TDScott writes: "In case anyone is having trouble convincing their friends that there's a problem with the b3d spyware installed with KaZaA, I've put together a quick summary page on what the problem is and how to remove it (use AdAware with caution) - pointing people to it might save you hours of explanation."

I hope these are available stateside, too. Pankaj writes "Simputer is All set to hit the market in India. The Open Source Computer (Both Hardware/Software) Has found its first makers in Encore Solutions who will start selling it within the next one month. {sources internal}. This will give the iPaq and Palms a run for their money, as the simputer is loaded with features like internal modem, smartcard reader and usb port. There are plans to add a gsm phone into it too -- watch out, Nokia! And one third the price; it's supposed to be 10,000 Indian Rupees. Thats around $210 try comparing it to the ipaq.

Did you ask what it is based on? It's Linux 2.4, man, with gtk and its developer kit it's as free as the hardware itself. This looks like hot stuff to go for.

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  1. Kazaa Lite, by nexex · · Score: 5, Informative
    Better yet, have your friends use Kazaa Lite. Same great taste without the fat

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    1. Re:Kazaa Lite, by Pope+Slackman · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about Gnutella?

      Umm...Because it sucks?

      C-X C-S

  2. Speaking of Loki... by graveyhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone know who (if anyone) is going to maintain OpenAL? This is a promising spatial audio api, and I would hate to see it go by the wayside. Already I see dead links on their site (e.g. CVS server), and have to find backup FTP servers to get access.

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  3. Loki by RatBastard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Loki was not killed by a market not willing to buy their goods, though that did have some small contribution. It was killed by the absolute criminal incompitence of it's president.

    I feel sorry for the people who Loki owes money to. I feel no pity at all for Loki.

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  4. Creative labs? by red5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you go to the member companies page on the openal site: Here
    It lists Creative Labs and Loki Entertainment Software.
    My guess is that Creative Labs will maintain this.
    They have been good with opensource in the past

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  5. The best line in the Draeker article by rw2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    """The deposition took on a surreal air at times, with Draeker refusing to say whether or not he is a lawyer and in one spectacular moment testifying that as president of Loki he could say how much had been paid to Scott Draeker and when, but as Scott Draeker he could not say whether he actually received the money."""

    1. Re:The best line in the Draeker article by colmore · · Score: 3, Funny

      and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Kurt Godel didn't become a CEO

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  6. Why Loki REALLY went under by OccSub · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody is going to wait for a company to port games over to Linux if they can boot up Windows on the same box. If Loki perhaps pursued licencing good games exclusively for Linux... then they would probably have had a better chance.

  7. Here's hoping we see it in 2003... by aberkvam · · Score: 3, Informative
    From Neal Stephenson's own web site:
    All of my time and attention are spoken for--several times over. Please do not ask for them.

    It's not that I'm a mean guy, just that I have this book I want to finish, and I'm a long way from finishing it.

    *wince* Still a long way from having it done? We will probably very lucky if we see it by March 6, 2003.
  8. on losing by drDugan · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Said one, "All we lost was money. Scott lost his friends."


    ... Scott should lose his right to be with us anymore. He should be in prison, based on that story.

    1. Re:on losing by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Informative

      >I don't think he ever deliberately acted
      >criminally; he just didn't have a clue what he
      >was doing.

      Certain types of failures when you're running
      a public corporation *are* crimes.

      There are plenty of situations where being in
      a position where you "should have known better"
      is enough to be charged with federal crimes.

      The tax issue is a big one to me. If you, the employee, have filed w-4 forms for withholding,
      and the company withholds the money from your checks but doesn't pay the taxes AND YOU HAVE
      NO WAY TO FIND THIS OUT or to correct it, how
      can you be held responsible?

      I think the person who did that needs to pony up
      the tax bill, then go to jail for 50 years.

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  9. Just one problem by screwballicus · · Score: 3, Funny

    My only concern with giFT is with the age of the current build, which, if the Download page is to be believed, was completed on January 1, 1900. Nostalgic computing is great and all, but...

  10. Re:Quicksilver by MaxVlast · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That sounds like how I write. I am miserable in a word processor. It's too easy to get sidetracked. When I write longhand, I have to organize my ideas. Also, I really like the aesthetic of pages and pages of my handwriting spread out in front of me. To each his own, eh?

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  11. Re:Thank you Loki programmers! by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 4, Informative

    And thanks for the code. SDL, OpenAL, and the Loki installer/uninstaller/updater are still with us. As is my stack of 8 Loki games (2 copies of tribes).

    -Paul Komarek

  12. Even if they didn't give them away for free... by sterno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's say they were charging $50/copy and they sold 5000 copies (which seemed to be a reasonable expectation given what the report said). At that price and volume, that's $250,000 per title.

    Now, figure that each title is going to take 3 or 4 developers. Let's say that each is paid $96K/year (for math simplicity) in salary and benefits, that would come down to approximately $8000/month per employee or roughly $32,000/month for each team. My numbers are totally coming out of thin air, but not unreasonable. At that burn rate you can afford to spend 7 months in development of each game with some room for some sort of profit.

    Of course that base price isn't accounting for a lot of the company infrastructure. You have to afford a place to work, computers, a network connection, marketing, packaging, etc. You'll need an office manager, somebody to run the website, and a couple other odds and ends. So probably, in the grand scheme of things, you're talking at least $50K/month burn rate. As you develop more games, the overhead is probably reduced somewhat but this is a reasonable baseline.

    So now, suddenly you are down to 5 months of development time. Ohhhh wait, you forgot to license that game, didn't you? Well that's going to shave a few bucks off each copy of the game, and now suddenly you are in the red assuming that you can get the game ported from start to finish in 5 months.

    My numbers aren't necessarily realistic, but I think they are close enough to reality to illustrate that this is, at best, a razor thin business to be in.

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  13. Re:Loki games by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 3, Informative

    I recently bought a second copy of Tribes II from Tux Games (which seems to load somewhat slowly right now). I think there are a few other places, too, but I'm not able to find them right now.

    There are several good linux gaming sites, such as linuxgames and icculus.org. icclus.org has a nice faq and lots of projects, and linuxgames is a cornucopia of helpful info for gaming on linux.

    -Paul Komarek

  14. Make me mad, yes, but by The+Pim · · Score: 5, Interesting
    break my heart? Frankly, it bolstered my belief that the world will punish crooks and fools. Sure, you say, hindsight, etc. Well, let's look closer, and you can decide whether my criticism is revisionist.

    The legal profession had not worked out for him.

    Ok, a failed lawyer, starting a Linux game company. Sounds suspiciously like an opportunist with no relevant experience and dollar signs in his eyes. Did he at least have some technical background? Experience in the (brutal) gaming industry? Familiarity with Linux? You'd think the article would have mentioned it (working at Apple does not imply a technical background).

    a possible -- no, sure -- winner.

    If anyone ever gives you this vibe, get out, quick. The best of plans, in the best of circumstances, executed by the best of people is a long way from a sure thing in the free market. Optimism and confidence are good, but counting on success--even just in your heart--before it's in the bank is always a mistake. This lesson, it seems, will be learned over and over until the end of time.

    Scott Draker continued to collect unemployment.

    You're only supposed to get unemployment benefits if you're looking for work. So Draker was dishonest from the start.

    During 1999, ... venture capital was beginning to dry up.

    My company was financed in 1999, so I recall distinctly that the boom was in full swing the whole year. (Hint: when did VA Linux IPO?) If they couldn't find funding in 1999, something was very wrong.

    I'm going to stop, because the later signs are too obvious, and because if the signs were all there at the height of the bubble--well that's just pathetic.

    Reading this, I couldn't help being reminded of the movie startup.com. Somehow, you were supposed to feel sorry for these losers, even though they aspired to nothing more noble than easy riches, and pursued them with laughably poor judgement. I can't fairly blame them for dipping into the overflowing VC pool, but I certainly didn't cry for their failure.

    Maybe my standards for entrepreneurs are too high. Maybe it's because I've been with a tech start-up that I was and am proud of (founded in 1998, and still going, thank you).

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  15. Shocked by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I had orignally read that article about the Brilliant Digital (BDE) Trojan being silently distributed in Kazaa, I laughed and became glad that I had never installed Kazaa.

    But what's this? There's a new Ad-Aware? I download it and run it. It finds 19 new components. Guess what, the BDE Trojan is installed on my machine. How? I have no idea. I never downloaded installed Kazaa and nobody else uses this machine. And I almost never browse with IE so ActiveX couldn't have let it in.

    The only conclusion I can come to is that BDE software is being distributed with applications besides Kazaa. The only newly downloaded (Windows) software I have installed recently are Ad-aware and WinAMP and honestly I think they are unlikely suspects. The date on the BDE files was JAN 12 2002!!! That was 3 months before the original slashdot article!

    How did the Brilliant Digital Trojan get onto my computer?

    Log:
    Started file scan

    Other file:D:\WINNT\bde\bdeclean.exe
    FileSize : 32 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:08:06
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:07
    Build : 3.0.7.0
    OS : Win32 executable
    Description:BDEClean
    Version:3, 0, 7, 0
    ProductName:Brilliant Digital uninstaller

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdedata2.dll
    FileSize : 36 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 1.0.1.9
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDEData (Release)
    Version:1, 0, 1, 9
    ProductName:BDEData Module

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdedownloader.dll
    FileSize : 88 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 3.0.38.0
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDEDownloader
    Version:3, 0, 38, 0
    ProductName:Brilliant Digital Entertainment Inc. BDEDownloader

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdefdi.dll
    FileSize : 40 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 1.0.0.7
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDEFdiTest
    Version:1, 0, 0, 7
    ProductName:Brilliant Digital Entertainment Inc. BDEFdiTest

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdeinsta2.dll
    FileSize : 97 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 1.2.3.9
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDESmartInstaller (Release)
    Version:1, 2, 3, 9
    ProductName:BDEInstallerComponent Module

    Removing selected components:

    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\bde\bdeclean.e xe , 4
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system32\bded ata 2.dll,44
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system 32\bdedown loader.dll,44
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\s ystem32\bdefdi. dll,44
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system32 \bdeinst a2.dll,44
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.b 3d,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.b3dini ,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.s3d,,
    D eleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,b3dini_auto_f ile,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,bdepla yer.bde playerctrl,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2 ,bdeplayer.bde playerctrl.1,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT ,2,bdesmartinsta ller.bdesmartinstaller,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CL ASSES_ROOT,2,bdesmartinsta ller.bdesmartinstaller.1,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_ CLASSES_ROOT,2,clsid\{519581 69-d5e3-11d1-aa42-0000e842e40a},,
    Deleting:Other, 1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,clsid\{679251 65-c4b6-11d2-b9c6-0000e84f59a6},,
    Deleting:Other, 1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,interface\{67 925164-c4b6-11d2-b9c6-0000e84f59a6},,
    Deleting:Ot her,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,s3d_auto_file ,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE,2,software\b ri lliant digital entertainment,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROO T,2,typelib\{82fc 7881-aacc-11d2-b9c6-0000e842e40a},,

  16. What Does KaZaA Consider Spyware? by peter_gzowski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Read what KaZaA has to say about your privacy:

    http://www.kazaa.com/en/privacy/index.htm

    and then answer my subject line. Their own website states that "spyware is any software (that) employs a user's Internet connection in the background (the so-called 'backchannel') without their knowledge or explicit permission." They also state that:

    "The service downloads a collection of banner ads from a web server while you are online. As you use the KMD, the service rotates ads and intermittently polls the server for new ad collections. Statistics are sent to the webserver recording which ads were displayed and how often. This information is used to bill advertisers. It may also be used to target ads for you. For example, if you often click CD store ads, you will be shown more of these than pet store ads."

    I don't remember giving them "explicit permission" to do all that. I know this is preaching to the choir, but I am stunned by the obvious contradictions on their website... Thank you to the above comment poster who pointed me to KaZaA Lite. I had not heard of it previous.

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  17. Re:Quicksilver by MaxVlast · · Score: 3, Funny

    I tried it with code, but I can't read my handwritten code worth beans. With English, it isn't hard to guess, but try fudging a regex!

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  18. Re:Dimensions od Simputer? by pamri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Simputer.org has more details than encore's site. Here are the specs, along with dimensions. BTW, even though the text to speech is available only in 2 languages (hindi & kannada), you can write your own text to speech engine, since it is completely open.

    You can help the organisation either financially or by developing applications. Follow for more details including a mailing list for developers.

    And do remember, it's target audience is farmers, small traders in developing countries. So, they require applications for these groups. For example, they are trying to developing financial applications that can give details about microcredit transactions of a villager in India, or one that gives details about land records, simple things else-where, but for which the bureaucracy has complicated procedures.