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It's all fun and games until you end up in Bankruptcy. Born Game writes: "Loki was supposed to be declared dead today by the bankruptcy trustee. Dennis Powell has followed their story closely, and he has written a wrapup that will break your heart and make you mad."
I hope he's making it longer than Cryptonomicon. We reported that Neal Stephenson's new book Quicksilver was due last month. An anonymous reader pointed to this page at Amazon UK, writing "the book is due out March 6th next year, not this year. Meh."
Maybe calling it Brilliant wasn't such a bright idea. asv108 writes: "According to this article from MP3 Newswire, Cnet's Download.com has removed KaZaA media desktop due to concerns over Brilliant Digital Entertainment's hidden software."
It's still available elsewhere though; if you or someone you love wants to use such software regardless, TDScott writes: "In case anyone is having trouble convincing their friends that there's a problem with the b3d spyware installed with KaZaA, I've put together a quick summary page on what the problem is and how to remove it (use AdAware with caution) - pointing people to it might save you hours of explanation."
I hope these are available stateside, too. Pankaj writes "Simputer is All set to hit the market in India. The Open Source Computer (Both Hardware/Software) Has found its first makers in Encore Solutions who will start selling it within the next one month. {sources internal}. This will give the iPaq and Palms a run for their money, as the simputer is loaded with features like internal modem, smartcard reader and usb port. There are plans to add a gsm phone into it too -- watch out, Nokia! And one third the price; it's supposed to be 10,000 Indian Rupees. Thats around $210 try comparing it to the ipaq.
Did you ask what it is based on? It's Linux 2.4, man, with gtk and its developer kit it's as free as the hardware itself. This looks like hot stuff to go for.
I hear that Neal Stephenson is writing it (Quicksilver, his upcoming book) with a pen in an effort to make it shorter.
Here's hoping he fails.
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Does anyone know who (if anyone) is going to maintain OpenAL? This is a promising spatial audio api, and I would hate to see it go by the wayside. Already I see dead links on their site (e.g. CVS server), and have to find backup FTP servers to get access.
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Direct Connect is particularly great for those of you trying to find DC games. There are tons of hubs dedicated to nothing but Dreamcast. Which reminds me...I really need to go find NHL2K2!
Yeah, people might want to see your post. And they might want to see goatse, MAKE.MONEY.FAST, or adds for the X10 camera. The fact remains that most users that click on the link to see commentary that is related to the article. Offtopic posts are generally as welcome as the items I just listed because we aren't expecting them and they are only wasting our time. If we wanted to read about a topic, we would search that topic out. Why not post your informations where people might be expecting it or perhaps submit it as a story? Thanks.
Loki was not killed by a market not willing to buy their goods, though that did have some small contribution. It was killed by the absolute criminal incompitence of it's president.
I feel sorry for the people who Loki owes money to. I feel no pity at all for Loki.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
If you go to the member companies page on the openal site: Here
It lists Creative Labs and Loki Entertainment Software.
My guess is that Creative Labs will maintain this.
They have been good with opensource in the past
I know I'm going to hell, I'm just trying to get good seats.
...is what the official Cnet policy will be. Does this mean that Cnet will remove all programs with known spyware? Does this represent a shift in large corporations towards the anti-spyware movement? I shall wait and see...
"""The deposition took on a surreal air at times, with Draeker refusing to say whether or not he is a lawyer and in one spectacular moment testifying that as president of Loki he could say how much had been paid to Scott Draeker and when, but as Scott Draeker he could not say whether he actually received the money."""
Barry Lewis kept promising checks, but never paid. I heard from one person, that he used stock to pay the rent for his apartment. When I told him, he would get the source code for what I worked on, he then tried extortion and harassment. Not only did his extortion and harassment fail, but he was convicted of two counts last month. The district attorney handling the case wanted the judge to include anger management to his sentence because he had threatened the district attorney.
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Nobody is going to wait for a company to port games over to Linux if they can boot up Windows on the same box. If Loki perhaps pursued licencing good games exclusively for Linux... then they would probably have had a better chance.
Said one, "All we lost was money. Scott lost his friends."
... Scott should lose his right to be with us anymore. He should be in prison, based on that story.
The whole Loki thing is really sad. I guess all I have to say now is thank you to the Loki programers, it was you who made the company run (financially too by the looks of it :). And I get alot of enjoyment out of playing the games you ported. Thanks.
My only concern with giFT is with the age of the current build, which, if the Download page is to be believed, was completed on January 1, 1900. Nostalgic computing is great and all, but...
Giving them away for free? That's strange, I paid for all the Loki-produced games I have..
- jon
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I picked up a copy of the Linux port for $5. Good times. It plays pretty smoothly on my celeron 400Mhz.
The Open Source page that you link to has the CVS access info and it seems they're hosting it for now. What's cool is that it seems they're working with the community to make full-function Audigy drivers for Linux.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Somewhat offtopic:
Does anyone know where to get some of the games that Loki ported? I've looked for them but can't seem to find them.
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perhaps another failing - other than scott - is that MOST linux users still think that free software means you don't have to pay money and would pirate loki games on the principle that everything should be free.
they would probably have doubled their sales if it wasn't for the users.
not that it would have helped loki, but I think that if someone else were to consider doing something similar to loki, they'd seriously have to think about it. their target audience don't like paying money, or are running their OS because they simply don't have the money.
linux users need to get out of that mentality for their own computing future to be fruitful.
The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
Let's say they were charging $50/copy and they sold 5000 copies (which seemed to be a reasonable expectation given what the report said). At that price and volume, that's $250,000 per title.
Now, figure that each title is going to take 3 or 4 developers. Let's say that each is paid $96K/year (for math simplicity) in salary and benefits, that would come down to approximately $8000/month per employee or roughly $32,000/month for each team. My numbers are totally coming out of thin air, but not unreasonable. At that burn rate you can afford to spend 7 months in development of each game with some room for some sort of profit.
Of course that base price isn't accounting for a lot of the company infrastructure. You have to afford a place to work, computers, a network connection, marketing, packaging, etc. You'll need an office manager, somebody to run the website, and a couple other odds and ends. So probably, in the grand scheme of things, you're talking at least $50K/month burn rate. As you develop more games, the overhead is probably reduced somewhat but this is a reasonable baseline.
So now, suddenly you are down to 5 months of development time. Ohhhh wait, you forgot to license that game, didn't you? Well that's going to shave a few bucks off each copy of the game, and now suddenly you are in the red assuming that you can get the game ported from start to finish in 5 months.
My numbers aren't necessarily realistic, but I think they are close enough to reality to illustrate that this is, at best, a razor thin business to be in.
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Its strikes me as kind of funny that his novel is wiated for with the same anticipation as gnome 2.0 and kde 3.0. It's not software guys. Its a hardback. Two different animals.
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My celeron 433 isn't affected one bit by my running Kazaa.. methinks you may have a deeper problem.
Having said that, I long ago switched to Kazaalite. It loads about a million times faster (no ads) and of course, has no spyware or hidden p2p network.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
The original rumor of the Quicksilver release date was entirely based on the amazon.co.uk site's date. When the initial slashdot story came out, I looked all over the net for some sort of corroborating evidence and found none -- everything traces back to amazon UK. Then, as March 7 2002 actually approached, suddenly the date jumped by a year -- kind of suspicious. I can still find no indication that this is anything but a placeholder. So don't hold your breath. (But on the other hand, perhaps it will actually come out sooner -- you never know!)
Ok, a failed lawyer, starting a Linux game company. Sounds suspiciously like an opportunist with no relevant experience and dollar signs in his eyes. Did he at least have some technical background? Experience in the (brutal) gaming industry? Familiarity with Linux? You'd think the article would have mentioned it (working at Apple does not imply a technical background).
If anyone ever gives you this vibe, get out, quick. The best of plans, in the best of circumstances, executed by the best of people is a long way from a sure thing in the free market. Optimism and confidence are good, but counting on success--even just in your heart--before it's in the bank is always a mistake. This lesson, it seems, will be learned over and over until the end of time.
You're only supposed to get unemployment benefits if you're looking for work. So Draker was dishonest from the start.
My company was financed in 1999, so I recall distinctly that the boom was in full swing the whole year. (Hint: when did VA Linux IPO?) If they couldn't find funding in 1999, something was very wrong.
I'm going to stop, because the later signs are too obvious, and because if the signs were all there at the height of the bubble--well that's just pathetic.
Reading this, I couldn't help being reminded of the movie startup.com. Somehow, you were supposed to feel sorry for these losers, even though they aspired to nothing more noble than easy riches, and pursued them with laughably poor judgement. I can't fairly blame them for dipping into the overflowing VC pool, but I certainly didn't cry for their failure.
Maybe my standards for entrepreneurs are too high. Maybe it's because I've been with a tech start-up that I was and am proud of (founded in 1998, and still going, thank you).
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
When I had orignally read that article about the Brilliant Digital (BDE) Trojan being silently distributed in Kazaa, I laughed and became glad that I had never installed Kazaa.
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D eleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,b3dini_auto_f ile,,a yer.bde playerctrl,,2 ,bdeplayer.bde playerctrl.1,,T ,2,bdesmartinsta ller.bdesmartinstaller,,L ASSES_ROOT,2,bdesmartinsta ller.bdesmartinstaller.1,,_ CLASSES_ROOT,2,clsid\{519581 69-d5e3-11d1-aa42-0000e842e40a},,, 1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,clsid\{679251 65-c4b6-11d2-b9c6-0000e84f59a6},,, 1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,interface\{67 925164-c4b6-11d2-b9c6-0000e84f59a6},,t her,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,s3d_auto_file , b ri lliant digital entertainment,,O T,2,typelib\{82fc 7881-aacc-11d2-b9c6-0000e842e40a},,
But what's this? There's a new Ad-Aware? I download it and run it. It finds 19 new components. Guess what, the BDE Trojan is installed on my machine. How? I have no idea. I never downloaded installed Kazaa and nobody else uses this machine. And I almost never browse with IE so ActiveX couldn't have let it in.
The only conclusion I can come to is that BDE software is being distributed with applications besides Kazaa. The only newly downloaded (Windows) software I have installed recently are Ad-aware and WinAMP and honestly I think they are unlikely suspects. The date on the BDE files was JAN 12 2002!!! That was 3 months before the original slashdot article!
How did the Brilliant Digital Trojan get onto my computer?
Log:
Started file scan
Other file:D:\WINNT\bde\bdeclean.exe
FileSize : 32 kb
FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:08:06
Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:07
Build : 3.0.7.0
OS : Win32 executable
Description:BDEClean
Version:3, 0, 7, 0
ProductName:Brilliant Digital uninstaller
Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdedata2.dll
FileSize : 36 kb
FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
Build : 1.0.1.9
OS : No executable
Description:BDEData (Release)
Version:1, 0, 1, 9
ProductName:BDEData Module
Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdedownloader.dll
FileSize : 88 kb
FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
Build : 3.0.38.0
OS : No executable
Description:BDEDownloader
Version:3, 0, 38, 0
ProductName:Brilliant Digital Entertainment Inc. BDEDownloader
Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdefdi.dll
FileSize : 40 kb
FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
Build : 1.0.0.7
OS : No executable
Description:BDEFdiTest
Version:1, 0, 0, 7
ProductName:Brilliant Digital Entertainment Inc. BDEFdiTest
Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdeinsta2.dll
FileSize : 97 kb
FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
Build : 1.2.3.9
OS : No executable
Description:BDESmartInstaller (Release)
Version:1, 2, 3, 9
ProductName:BDEInstallerComponent Module
Removing selected components:
Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\bde\bdeclean.
Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system32\bde
Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\syste
Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\
Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system3
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.b3din
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.s3d,,
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,bdepl
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROO
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_C
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY
Deleting:Other
Deleting:Other
Deleting:O
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE,2,software\
Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_RO
If it's got text-to-speech in India's native languages it's got it for English too. People in India often speak English better than we Yanks do.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Read what KaZaA has to say about your privacy:
http://www.kazaa.com/en/privacy/index.htm
and then answer my subject line. Their own website states that "spyware is any software (that) employs a user's Internet connection in the background (the so-called 'backchannel') without their knowledge or explicit permission." They also state that:
"The service downloads a collection of banner ads from a web server while you are online. As you use the KMD, the service rotates ads and intermittently polls the server for new ad collections. Statistics are sent to the webserver recording which ads were displayed and how often. This information is used to bill advertisers. It may also be used to target ads for you. For example, if you often click CD store ads, you will be shown more of these than pet store ads."
I don't remember giving them "explicit permission" to do all that. I know this is preaching to the choir, but I am stunned by the obvious contradictions on their website... Thank you to the above comment poster who pointed me to KaZaA Lite. I had not heard of it previous.
"Now gluttony and exploitation serves eight!" - TV's Frank
You can help the organisation either financially or by developing applications. Follow for more details including a mailing list for developers.
And do remember, it's target audience is farmers, small traders in developing countries. So, they require applications for these groups. For example, they are trying to developing financial applications that can give details about microcredit transactions of a villager in India, or one that gives details about land records, simple things else-where, but for which the bureaucracy has complicated procedures.
Is it possible that the Kazaa/Fasttrack folk slipped it in via Morpheus before they made it incompatible?
Because, now that you mention it, I have it on my box too...and I've only used Morpheus.
-Jayde
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C|Net may have removed Kazaa downloads, but their subsidiary ZDNet still has it available.
They include a link to the C|Net story which discusses the B3D spyware, so this is not just an oversight.
I was all ready to applaud C|Net's decision to pull Kazaa, but this makes me wonder.
I can't stand to write on paper. And if I did try to write something like that I'd have to spend more time trying to figure out what I wrote then the time it would take to write it :P
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
It seems that the biggest problem Loki has was mismanagement. No good manager would be paying themselves $125k a year when noone else is getting paid. It should have been his responsibility to go with as little pay as possible to please employees, and hopefully get themselves out of the hole. Large salaries could come later. It seems to me he had no idea what he was doing or what he was getting into, and the fault lies largely in him.
The next largest problem is probably the confusion between open source and free software. It seems that a large number of Linux users do not know the difference. That, and why would you pay extra for a port of a game you allready owned? If that were the case, most people would install the linux version for free just because they had allready paid the original price. A better plan would have been to sell the ports to the companies, and let them sell, resell, or distribute them to existing costumers for a small fee. How about letting all the customers that 'register' their games know that if they want to use their product on linux, $5 is all it would cost them? Much better plan then trying to sell the games independantly.
A better business plan, and better management would have almost surely led this idea to success.
From hard-earned experience, I can tell you that you should get out while the getting is good. Any time a company misses payroll, (or worse, issues rubber payroll checks), it's a bad sign--because making payroll is the very first priority and responsibility of any legitimate employer. Your company is going under.
Get out while they still have the funds to pay you severance. Also, if you jobhunt while still employed, you don't have that desperation that makes one jump at bad deals just to have a paycheck coming in.
---dragoness
Sorry, you gave "explicit permission" for all of the above, including the BDE client as well when you clicked "agree" on the Kazaa Installer. Read it sometime, despite that it's several pages long and in a small scroller box.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Actually one of the concepts that a lot of entrepeneurs have been into is the notion of avoiding competition. Basically, you try to start businesses that are in new technologies, or provide services nobody else is providing. This way you don't have to compete in any real sense.
Also, competition doesn't necessarily force prices to the lowest that they can be. Many times companies compete using marketing and branding which allow them to operate at prices well beyond what are the bare minimum for survival. I mean, are Nike shoe really worth that much money?
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