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eWeek: Apache 2.0 Trumps IIS

AK47 writes "eWeek has a very positive review of Apache 2.0, entitled "Apache 2.0 Beats IIS at Its Own Game." They recommend the native Apache version on Windows over IIS for production use, citing superior security with no loss in performance."

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  1. How well can it run ASP? by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And if it can run ASP, can it run it 'all the way' -- ie could you take any ASP page and run it from apache?

    If it can handle ASP, there could be a lot of changeover. If not, then most 'hard core' M$ shops won't change.

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    1. Re:How well can it run ASP? by mdemeny · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You can get a lot to run on Apache using Sun Chili!Soft ASP.

      We were able to port all of our web-based reporting code with only 1 line change (including COM objects). However if your ASP is truly hard-core then it might be more difficult.

    2. Re:How well can it run ASP? by FattMattP · · Score: 5, Informative
      Apache::ASP provides an Active Server Pages port to the Apache Web Server with Perl scripting only
      Then it's not very useful. Apache::ASP only implements the ASP framework. The majority of ASP scripts written are in VBScript. If Apache::ASP only supports Perl then you're going to have to port all of your legacy VBScript based ASP pages to Perl. You might as well rewrite them in PHP or C at that point.

      When people ask if it supports ASP, they usually mean, does it execute ASP pages that contain code in VBScript or Microsoft's JScript.

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  2. Every time by SkulkCU · · Score: 5, Informative


    "unfriendly administration interface"
    looks to be the only negative thing they could say about it.

    In fact, it seems to be the only bad thing I ever hear these days about most open source programs.
    What the hell is going on? Do we need to hire some UI consultants from Microsoft or something?

    Applefans: I'm kidding

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  3. So Lets See by Peridriga · · Score: 5, Funny
    The Upside
    • Free
    • Runs On
    • Windows
    • BeOS
    • OS/2
    • *Nix
    No Performance Difference Interchangeable Modules

    Downside
    • "All configuration and administration is done by editing .conf files


    HOLY DAMN... Edit A FILE!!!!
  4. Eh? by MisterBlister · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What a crappy 'comparison'. I'm no IIS fan (an understatement), but IIS's 'game' is ease of installation and administration....The headline claims that Apache 'beats IIS at its own game' and then goes on to say how Apache is harder to configure (though better than older versions) but that's ok because many experts believe GUI-based configurations are bad for security?

    Also, they don't even bother to publish any real results, all they say is "Apache kept pace with IIS during the entire test"..WTF does that mean in reality? Were they using dynamic pages or static? What were the software and hardware configs like? Numbers please?

    If this article were the other way around harping IIS over Apache 2.0, most Slashdotters would (rightly in that case too) be ripping it to shreds for being a flimsy piece of shit..Hopefully we can all see it for the garbage it is, even if in the end it supports our (well the majority of us, anyway) favorite web server.

    1. Re:Eh? by Sabalon · · Score: 5, Funny


      C:\Program Files\Apache> apt-get install apache
      'apt-get' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
      operable program or batch file.

      C:\Program Files\Apache> apt-get install php4
      'apt-get' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
      operable program or batch file.


      So I now have apache with php support? :)

      It really is a shame that tools like that don't just work on Winders. Then again

      apt-get install secureMSwebserver

      would probably crash the OS.

  5. Apache is consistently underrated by the media by graveyhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've always found it frustrating that the superior products produced by the Apache foundation are so sorely underrated by the mainstream media. Buzzwords like "BroadVision" and "WebSphere" are pounded into the heads of middle management by way of large advertising budgets. The truth is, however, that I can do anything a BroadVision developer can do *with no software cost whatsoever*

    Cocoon is a brilliant publishing system which combines many of the Apache projects: Xalan for XSLT transformations of all kinds, FOP for building dynamic PDFs (don't pay Adobe but use their format anyway :-) from XSL:FO, Batik for building dynamic SVGs, and a ton of library code that makes building dynamic websites very easy.

    Not to mention, Apache has provided us with solid implementations of *many* w3c and Java specifications, including SOAP for XML based RPC, and JServ and Tomcat Java servlet engines.

    My point is only this: appreciate The Apache Foundation because they totally rock!

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  6. IIS6 by banky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have read a number of things about IIS6: mostly that it is a from-scratch rewrite, with a particular eye on security. Also you can assume it'll perform pretty well.

    So, as much as I would like to see the world dump IIS in general, a lot of shops out there will probably just wait and move to IIS6 when .NET Server (or whatever it's called this week) comes out.

    They know how much is riding on this release. If IIS6 isn't tight, fast, and secure, then people will start jumping ship.

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  7. better title.... by bje2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    should've been Apache 2.0 scalps IIS...

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  8. .conf files by lothix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dealing with .conf files instead of a GUI interface is an _advantage_ not a disadvantage. If we really needed a GUI frontend for making changes to a conf file there would be a bunch of them floating around. It takes no time to slap one together. In fact, IBM HTTP Server which is a "cutified" apache comes with a web form interface for configuring .conf files. Of course I've never seen anyone use it because it is quicker and easier to edit a text file than dig around in interface panels.

  9. Re:Yeah but.. by rodgerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, when one of Microsoft's fine products is riddled with security holes, apologists blame the systems admins for not being competent.

    When deriding superior, free alternatives, they claim any baboon can administer Microsoft products.

    I'm failing to see the value proposition in a range of products which allow idiots to render a business vulnerable to serious damage.

  10. Re:This article is just reverse-FUD... by coupland · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For example, if this article had been about the superiority of IIS the /. crowd would have had a great hairy fit over the lack of objectivity. Similar critical thought should be given to articles praising OSS...

  11. You got it backwards... by alexhmit01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I figure this is a joke, but far too many slashdot posters seem to think they understand accounting.

    When you purchase software licenses, you are making a capital purchase, that will take at least 3 (and often 5) to depreciate. So the cash all flows out at once, but you have to write it out over 3 years.

    Money spent on consultants look great on the balancesheet because they are expenses (and therefore written off immediately), plus they are considered one-time costs for public companies, and don't count as operating expenses. By creating permenant one-time costs (each one one-time of course), they are able to make their financials look better than they are.

    With free software, your costs may be the same, but they are billed as consulting fees or maintenance agreements. All of those costs are easily considered either one-time costs or as regular costs. There are no capital expenses that need to be depreciated.

    Alex

  12. The only problem by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apache is eons ahead of IIS in terms of usability and reliability, but the big fat problem is that IIS natively runs VBScript/ASP, while Apache does not (and Chilisoft doesn't always cut the mustard). Lots of companies are somewhat locked-in to IIS because of their existing VBScript code which they're not willing to port to PHP or Perl, either because of ignorance or lack of resources (time, money, brains). If we could somehow create a 99.9% functional VBScript parser for Apache, then Apache could swallow up a very large bunch of IIS users in one quick bite.

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