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dsoltesz writes "This coming week is the Government's first Virtual IT Job Fair. A number of agencies are participating, including NASA, the Smithsonian, and the National Gallery of Art. While government jobs aren't exactly the highest paying in the nation, IT positions do rate in a special pay category (see tables 999A-F depending on where you want to work). The online job fair lasts from April 22 to 26, and hopes to fill 230 positions. Here's a quick list of IT Series 2210 specialties, or if you want a little light reading, try the 155 page, 1.7 MB detailed spec."
Wow, way to slashdot the poor saps who found the site on their own and were actually hoping for a shot at a job...
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No offense, but since when does a posting for 200-odd IT jobs qualify as a decent news item? Heck, most state govt's are looking for IT people every day.
What's next, McDonalds on 4th St needs 3 new fry cooks?
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Now, having to copy a number from the page into their own form is dumb enough. But worse, the number is rejected with "This vacancy is not currently open." Bozos.
230 jobs
230,000 applicants
Hooray!
A guy walks in to apply to a government job. Fills out the application, and then is taken to a room by an interviewer.
The interviewer says "hmm, so do you have any special needs or disabilities before we hire you?"
The guy says "Well, it's kinda embarassing, but I lost my testicles in a grenade explosion when I was in the military."
"Hmmmm..." says the interviewer, pausing a minute and flipping through papers. "Looks great. You start Monday, your hours are 11am to 5pm. Congratulations!"
"But I thought government workers start at 9am?" asks the guy, with a puzzled look on his face.
The interviewer replies "Well, normally I'd put you on normal work hours, but since you lost your testicles, you won't be sitting there scratching 'em for 2 or 3 hours a day bored and trying to figure out what to do."
Oh shut your mouth. Business does not exist for the sole purpose of keeping you employed. They exist to profit from selling products. Should they need you they will hire you. During times of slow sales all comapnies layoff and stop hiring. You want a job? Start buying some stuff.
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
You know, you really hit the nail on the head there: The reality is that there isn't a surplus of software development talent, but rather there is a surplus of unqualified/untalented people jockeying for whatever jobs they are (slashdotting, if you will, recruiters who end up making the choice a random draw). There are so many people out there who claim themselves to be SEs/SSEs, yet they don't have the slightest clue (I've had "n-tier" arguments with these clowns : Usually they're from the school of VB, and they only can parrot they've read without actually analyzing and applying intelligently). Note that the clueless come in all types and sizes: From Masters of Computer Science, to Super-IT-Institute, to MCSE -> There is no particular educational path that separates the flow, though I suppose there is a higher correlation with those who signed up for the type of educational institutes that advertise on late night TV.
Just meandering.
By 'First', I'm hoping they make this an annual thing, so when it's time for me to graduate I can apply for a job then.
Who cares about low pay? Benefits and stable job are all I need... And what're the odds the government will try to claim my hobby programming as their own IP?
[o]_O
Most (ca 95%) of the government tech jobs open are in defense-related areas and with the DoD being the biggest poster of jobs. If you are out in the boondocks (more than 100 miles from DC) with no big military base around, not much chance of a good local job with the feds for you.
Note that this job fair is for applicants around DC or for applicants who figure that they can relocate anywhere and often.
The Bush Administration is also trying to cut government employment by using a process called "competitive sourcing", because it is a good way of replacing unionized federal employees with non-union private sector wage earners. (Union employees seem to vote Democratic all the time, you know.) Competitive sourcing goes back over 40 years, but it is now being cranked up more aggressively. Competitive sourcing means that government employees have to write up their own jobs as if they were up for bids, because they are, and then bid on them in competition with private contractors. About half the time the private contractors win and the government employees lose their jobs or get offered a new job at a different "location nationwide". Currently, the entire Interior Department is scheduled to go through competive sourcing procedures over the next two years, so not all federal government jobs come with the job security that many people associate with joining a bureaucracy.
In addition, the old "double dip" benefits to those who spent part of their career in the government and part in private industry (being covered by and getting separate pensions from both Civil Service retirement and Social Security) have been eliminated by coordinating the benefits from the two plans. You might know some retirees who are very happily receiving the double dip, but it doesn't happen anymore.
I think its one of the coolest cities in the world. Not cheap, but you've got tons of free cultural activities every day, plus one of the largest museums on earth at your doorstep.
It's like NYC, you either love it or hate it. And I probably wouldn't want to raise kids there. But as a single person, how much fun is it to live in a major city?
Recursive: Adj. See Recursive.
You can find plenty of almost affordable housing in the 25-50 mile range from the city, & there is a decent subway system - Metro - once you get nearer to the city (ther are plans to extend it further out).
the pay scales on the site are a joke.
no wonder then that the feds are such a
bumbling batch of baby-burners!
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
Nice troll.
Plenty of people have jobs
Plenty of people are living hand-to-mouth, have no savings, own nothing and are two paychecks away from being broke.
Plenty of people are underemployed, have nothing to do most of the day, and are tormented by management on purpose to get them to quit.
Plenty of people try to work hard and do a good job and get fired anyway.
Plenty of people have to choose between child care and medical insurance.
Plenty of people have to spend their retirement account on food.
Plenty of people have no meaningful contribution to their jobs.
Plenty of people spend the majority of their work day in unproductive meetings.
Plenty of people have to allow the company to control every moment of their workday, and attempt to control every moment of their off-time.
Plenty of people lose those jobs when management decides to reorganize the paradigms.
Plenty of people can't afford a house, ever.
Plenty of people can't afford to raise a family.
Plenty of people have watched their unemployment run out and the phone never rings.
Plenty of people have to lie in order to get hired.
Plenty of people have given up on ever finding another job, anywhere.
Yes, of course. All those thousands of people. It's all them. It's NEVER the fault of the incompetent people doing the hiring. It's never the fault of the businesses. They can do no wrong. They are blameless in their pursuit of profits.
Always better to blame anyone who complains than to fix the problem.
Nothing wrong with getting your feet wet somehow.
You think government jobs aren't satisfying? Ask the guys who put men on the Moon and the rover on Mars. Ask the guys who designed some of the first software for processing satellite, spacecraft, and sonar imagery. Ask the guys who get to work in interesting environments with interesting people, like the guys managing electical and computer systems on ships involved in ocean exploration or on mountain tops and volcanos collecting climatological and earth processes data. Ask the guys working in the EPA, Forest Service, Park Service, and USGS who are part of protecting and maintaining the country's natural resources and natural beauty. There's a lot more to the government than just taxes, censuses, and human resources.
The national unemployment rate is still under 6%
I don't buy it for a second.
the tech sector unemployment rate is lower still
That goes against every single item of information I have heard, seen or read in 18 months. The tech sector is at ZERO opportunity right now. There are people with THOUSANDS of resumes out that have gotten nothing.
Stop expecting jobs to be handed to you simply because you are qualified.
Was that supposed to make sense? I must have missed it. What else am I supposed to be except qualified? Or did that question just define everything that's wrong with business today?
What part of "Should they need you they will hire you" did you not understand?
"They will hire you." Because it's not true. They WON'T.
that you are only taking this job to pay the bills and absolutely WILL jump ship when times get better.
Oh, so the employee has to be true blue but the employer can throw 5000 people out in the street whenever they feel like it. Sounds great.
Business are only in it to make money, right? Well, GUESS WHAT?? EMPLOYEES are in it to PAY THE BILLS.
just take a look over in Europe
No. That's not what I said. Nice red herring. I said RESPONSIBILITY. Companies should not pull the rug out from under a man providing for a family who is doing a good job. It's wrong, and they know it, but they do it anyway (by the hundreds of thousands), and then hide behind "we're just in it to make money" when someone calls them on it.
Either change your tactice, or change your profession/field/industry, whatever.
Yeah. Throw eight years into the trash and start over in an entry-level job and try to retire on time. Sure. Uh huh.
when you get lucky once again this time
People shouldn't have to "get lucky" in order to feed themselves.
I am betting that at one time you had a nice phat paying techie job yet handled the money in perhaps not the most responsible mannner.
...and you'd lose. Management handled the jobs in not the most responsible manner, and I wasn't the only one affected. I watched a man kneel down and wipe tears away from his four-year-old daughters face in the parking lot as she asked "are you sad, Daddy?" I can tell you that I thought some very ugly things about the person who fired him (and me, and two dozen other people) that day. 10 days later, they were advertising to fill our positions again, through an agency.
I haven't purchased a single luxury item in 15 years. I was making a few bucks here and there, and could barely afford about 3/4 of the basics.
I think it's time to stop stereotyping and start realizing there are some major problems here. There should never be this many highly educated and qualified people unemployed. Period.
Naw. Once you've seen the inside, you gain new understanding. You get to chuckle at the misconceptions expressed within this forum. And you get to ridicule the ineptitude of those around you in your daily work schedule. And unlike the unknowing critics, you actually speak from experience.
Whats scarry is when the ignorant make outlandish observations that are actually far too close to the truth.
I'm a work study for the VA and work in a VA Medical Center...We've got some nurses who have made mistakes that have nearly killed patients, yet they still work there. As one nurse put it, it takes an act of God AND an act of Congress to get fired from the government...And that whole seperation of church and state thing makes it a bit hard for the two to get together.
Anyways. Let's see here, what's my experience with the computer people at my work...I need computer access to do my job, so I walk down to the building the computer people are in, and say I need access. They tell me I absolutely have to make an appointment and that I have to call a certain person's extension to do so. So I call that extension, leave a message with my name and phone number. I wait two days, nada. I call again. I end up calling 10 times in two weeks. NOTHING. My supervisor is getting pretty annoyed by now at having to let me use the computer while it's her logged in, and calls over to that extension and FINALLY gets a real person. She says my full name and how I need computer access NOW. The computer person says that she gave me computer access a week and a half ago. I say that if she did, she certainly didn't tell ME about it. Turns out the clueless person had given another person who had the same first name computer access, and didn't bother to see if the person calling (after she had supposedly given access to that person) had the same last name as the person who she'd given access to. Ugh.
-Jenn
Demand, maybe ... good pay? no! ... respect? forget it!
Go look at the executive positions in the government jobs. These are the people that make all the goofball decisions about things like what technology to use. And they can get paid as much as $130,000 for such things, while techies get only half that. It's a fundamental problem of respect. With a few hundred thousand techies out of work or underemployed (e.g. "would you like fries with that?") in the US, you'd think they could fill these IT positions quickly, even for that low pay. The problem really is that in most of these jobs, the management just don't give due respect to the value techies bring in. And that's often a more important motivating factor than money (which confuses managers).
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics page and see what the unemployment rate is. As of March 2002 , it was 5.7%. From 1974 through 1988, the US unemployment rate did not fall below 5.6%. 14 years. That's the job market I came into when I got out of college. The 'recession' of the early 90's wasn't one; it was merely a pause in the boom times.
Depending on who you listen to, it may even get worse before it gets better. So my only advice would be to hang in there and keep printing those resumes, and be prepared to ride this recession out; don't be discouraged because nobody wants your previously marketable skills, all that gets thrown out the window when times are like this.
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
I didn't find very interesting technical jobs listed on that web site. All the internet jobs were web site development (as opposed to infrastructure management and security). Of course if application development is your thing, there are a few jobs there for you. In the areas I work (network/system/OS administration), the government clearly hasn't been getting results in many areas, considering all the security messes, router failures, DNS inconsistencies, etc, I see going on (especially at NASA). Either they don't have people doing those jobs, or they stifle them somehow, or they hired the incompetent. I know I could certainly run things a whole lot better than they are run now. But I don't know if the bureaucracy would let that even happen.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
One thing that I do not understand is -
Why _searching_ for a job while there are LOTS OF CHANCES that you can create YOUR OWN JOB ?
I mean, the slashdotters who are "unemployed" due to the "dot_com_bust" are people who have the SKILLS 99.999% of the human race don't have - in other words, they are TECHIES, right ?
Now, why waiting for someone to employ you, or even searching for a job, while THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS you can do now !
For instance - CREATING YOUR OWN JOB !
Please do not try to think like the rest of the human population - you are NOT those run-of-the-mill, garden-variety type - you are the one who possess the SKILLS to create.
Why don't you utilize your skill to CREATE your own job ?
If you are skilled in doing 3d animation, for example, instead of waiting for the movie industry or whoever to employ you as their animator, you can START creating VIBRANT ANIMATION, in EXCITING SEQUENCES, share the thing with the world, and you will see people flock to what you have to offer, and they WILL offer you lots of options - including, but not limited to, STARTING YOUR OWN ANIMATION FACTORY !
The above is just an example.
I am speaking from experience here. I'm in the field - the tech field - since early '80s. First I was involved with programming - it was hot then - and when uni started to churn out millions of programming wannabes, I branch into graphics, and when there's too much competitions, I then went into dot-com, and when that's busted, I went into consultation, and so on and so forth.
Don't just wait for others to employ you. EMPLOY YOUR OWN SKILL and CREATE YOUR OWN CAREER !
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
But jobs like that tend to be stuck in procedure (as in the bureaucratic type) hell and not real decision making roles. That pay may be decent, but when it's a third party job, you don't really get to run things.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
I even tried the same search in several salary categories, and the same one came up under three of them, but it was the same ONE job. Sure looks like the gubmint is a Microsoft shop.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Like your degree or experience entitles you to live a life of luxury.
No. But my degree AND experience entitles me to a fair evaluation for a job.
Businesses have a responsibility to hold up their end of the social contract.
Right now there are millions of kids in school who are being told "get good grades, work hard, get an education and when you graduate you'll get a good job." I know that because it's what *I* was told.
It is a lie.
Good jobs mean people are productive and happy.
Real good jobs become CAREERS.
They can put down roots in a community, send their kids to school, pay taxes and build a home. They have something they can DEPEND ON.
Many people together doing this creates neighborhoods where kids develop friendships with other kids, community programs start, and people work together to build a nice life for themselves and their neighbors.
Sounds great, right? I haven't seen a community like this since the early 1980s, over 20 years ago. The only communities like this today are extremely affluent ones where the residents are almost never affected by mass random layoffs.
Take that same community about two years in and lay off 20% of the people. Homes are sold. Friendships lost. The neighborhood is diminished. People move away, or lose their homes completely. Those who remain fear for their jobs.
New people move in. Then the second wave hits. 30% this time. Half the neighborhood is gone. Everyone is confused. Nobody knows anyone. People work harder, and longer hours, thinking they might be next. The kids don't get to spend much time with their parents any more. People become gloomy and depressed. Community events are cancelled for non-participation. People spend a lot of time at home. People complain of fatigue.
More new people move in. Half the first group has already moved away because they couldn't find work. 10% more are laid off. Wages are cut elsewhere. People start to complain. Businesses fail because people either have no money or won't spend it. More people leave. Pretty soon you have an entire group of houses (no longer a neighborhood) where nobody knows anyone else. Kids aren't allowed outside any more. The neighborhood has died.
Everywhere I've lived since 1987 has been this way. That's what's wrong, and it is 100% the fault of businesses that don't keep up their end of the bargain. People have no incentive to do right if they cannot depend on the rewards.
Pretty soon, people will realize that nothing they do matters, and stop trying. Then we are really going to have problems. Banks, for example, will soon realize that having a job is no guarantee that someone can pay a mortgage. (This is already a fact, but banks, like all corporate businesses, are sometimes a little slow)
All a person has is their education and experience, and businesses have made both worthless. It took the hundreds of businesses I applied to only a few months to make my eight years experience utterly worthless.
"Put your education last and lie about your experience" is the accepted way to get hired now. Matter of fact, it is not much of a stretch to say it is the only way to get hired in a lot of cases.
Well, hired until management decides to lay off another 4000.
Reading some of these posts is depressing. I'm currently finishing up my M.S. in Computer Science. I've got an Electrical Engineering degree and 2 years of work experience for a Fortune 50 company. Is it that bad out there? Are there people educated similarly to me who can't find a job? And to think I left a great job to go back to school....I'm starting to regret that decision after reading these posts! Someone tell me it isn't true!!
Precisely.
And it's not just that either. Government jobs are usually free of the corporate whore mindset of big business. That is, you don't have to be the 'company man'. You can just go to work, do your job and come home. You don't have to attend stupid 'bonding' weekends in the mountains or similar nonsense.
Morover, government has a better sense of respect for their employees wellbeing. I've generally observed more consideration given to workplace health and safety, and just generally valuing people. Whether you're working for the gov, or for the company, either way you're working for "the man". Just, in gov, the man is often nicer to you.
Sure, it generally doesn't pay as well. I'm slightly disturbed to think that this is what us geeks have sunk to though.
Has the IT "boom" of previous years got us so used to thinking of ourselves as the new elite. Sure, we all deserve to be paid well. But I think what we're talking about here is the difference between being paid well, and very well, or obscenely well.
I think it's time to stop trying to prove something and look at things realistically. There is more to life than work, and how much you earn. But we're all smart people right (trolls excluded)? We should know that already!
I don't know about the rest of you, but I've got no desire to end up an old man with acute RSI, no friends or family, a caffiene addiction and a lot of money/toys.
"How much truth can advertising buy?" - iNsuRge - AK47
Fine. I'll make a different argument.
Every IT/technical/engineering/science person I know is out of work, except for one, and they are miserable and under constant threat of imminent layoff. I have one other friend who has been working steadily for a few years, but making about 1/3 of what they need for basics.
I know one person who has sent out 2000 resumes, and gotten one interview since 12/00 which abruptly concluded (unsuccessfully, of course) after the answer to the question "how old are you?"
I know another person with an MA who was told they were unqualified to work part-time at a bookstore.
Of the two dozen people that were laid off with me at the last large company I worked at, only one is employed, and not in IT. The guy with the 4 year-old daughter is now raising his six year old daughter in another country. The layoff cost him about $40,000 including his kids' college fund.
30,000 tech jobs on Dice.
That enough evidence? See a problem here? As far as I'm concerned, with my unscientific sample, unemployment is about 80%. For me, it's 100%.
But Taco Cowboy has a good point. A software company costs about $75 to start (that's the corporate registration fee in VA), plus the costs of your hardware, food and drink. Shareware is a competitive market to be sure, but all you have to do is sell a relatively small amount in a given month.
If you have the skills, you should really consider this as an option.
Damn it's hard to not sound like a friggin commercial.
Care about electronic freedom? Consider donating to the EFF!
Really?
I work for the DOD in a division of one of the military services. Our main business is weather. I've been a federal civilian employee since 1988. My computation date goes back to 1985 to include my military service.
I've been in the IT field since 1993. I have a BS in Information Science, which I worked towards and completed while I was employed by DOD.
When I started by current position in 1998, as a promotion to a GS-11 position, my gross annual pay (which includes the locality pay, an additional amount added to one's basic pay for cost-of-living expenses) was $38,593.
I received to step increases over the next two years, along with the normal 2-4% annual increases most federal employees get annually. In '99, my salary rose to $41,291. In '00, it went to $44,623.
Last year, the government realized that they were losing IT employees at too rapid a rate to the private sector and knew the only way to keep people employed in the service was to raise their pay to something comparable to the private sector.
In '01, my salary jumped to $52,226, about a 15% increase. This year, it moved up to $54.104.
In addition to my pay, I receive pretty decent medical benefits for with I pay about 25% of the annual cost (the Fed picks up up the rest). Also, my medical benefits expense comes off the top of my pay pre-tax.
I get cheap life insurance, and a pretty good retirement package, and I can contribute to a 401K-type plan that's done pretty well, with a government match of a percentage of my contribution. I get a generous annual leave and sick leave benefit.
If I took cash for the benfits, I'd say my annual salary would be close to $100K per year.
My bosses are appreciative of my work, and the job itself is challenging and satisfying. I have the freedom to try new ideas, including the use of open source concepts. We've had budget problems, and I've had to put some pet projects on the back burner...but mostly because I'm a one-man show. There's plenty for me to do, and they never hesitate to listen when I find new ways to solve old problems.
So, it looks like I work for a "small-medium sized company" (part of a larger organization) where I see "tangible results." Oh, yeah, I really feel like I'm doing something with my life.
Joe Dougherty, Florida, USA
The words I thought I brought, I left behind. So, never mind.
A recession by definition is two consecutive quarters of negative growth. 6 months. Not two.
Infuriate left and right
Some people seem to be suffering from an illusion that government is actually growing right now - why else would they be hiring? The simple truth of the matter is that most government IT workers are OLD. And I'm not talking, old like 30. They're old like 50, 60, 70. Yes, I used to work with a guy that was 70. Used to because he was diagnosed with cancer and died about a month later. Add to that the fact that like 1/4 or 1/3 (I can't recall the exact number) of government IT workers are retirement eligible.
The other issue is that not a lot of people want to work for the government. The government is pretty much 180-degrees from any sort of hacker ethic. No reward for risk, HUGE levels of red tape and you're pretty much surrounded by frickin idiots. Case in point, another person I work with just got a promotion and raise of around $10,000/yr... why? not because she was qualified or an outstanding performer, but because the position was open.
If you're out of work, you have to take what you can get... but the mediocrity of government is killing me.
[anger]Thank you, i *NEEDED* one of those jobs. Now it's going to some lets-implement-an-unsupported-os-on-the-worlds-des ktops half-assed i-admined-my-friends-personal-websites joke of a sysadmin [/anger] sorry about that.. out of zoloft, lithium, and i chewed through the straps... [er, just kidding about the drugs and straps.. k]
y -pay-and-i-have-a-security-clearance type.
:)
More realistically, its going to a i-used-to-be-in-the-military-so-i'm-used-to-shitt
Yeah, but you hit a salary cap at GS-12. That's it, you've reached the top, nowhere else to go, no more promotions, no more next level left to work towards. The salary of a GS-12 is the entry level salary of some private sector jobs.
You said:
"Wow, based on your facts (99.999)
I am one on 100,000! I feel speacal!"
In a world of 6 Billion, you have 59,999 partners to choose from.
:)
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
You said:
"It would be nice to just create my own job, but when you're scraping by on temp
jobs and avoiding creditors, you can't."
You think I was borned with silver spoon in my mouth ?
You think I never suffer any financial setbacks ?!
I never let my creditors or my present income prevent me from doing what I want to do, especially, if that thing is what I _REALLY_ want to do.
Doing temp jobs is TRANSITIONAL thing, it's NOT permanent. Your sight should not stay within the limit of your nose, rather, you should look BEYOND THE HORIZON.
I mean, this is YOUR LIFE, you get to decide to do with YOUR LIFE. And if you think it's better to WASTE your life on satisfying your creditors' needs, then your life will be just that
And another thing, STARTING a business does NOT cost millions, if you know how to do it.
My advise to you and to all - PLEASE STOP BEHAVING LIKE THE REST (99.999%) OF THEM, because you just ain't them !
Use what you have - your skill, your talent, your will to success, and start doing whatever it is necessary to re-make your life.
Worst come the worst - and I am NOT recommending it, this is just for educational purpose - RUN AWAY FROM YOUR CREDITORS, RUN TO ANOTHER COUNTRY, AND START AFRESH !
After all, whichever country you re-start your life, IT IS STILL YOUR LIFE !
There are LOTS OF PLACES in this world - and there are places in the world where YOUR TALENT and what you know STILL MATTERS A LOT !
If you can't do it in the States, go to China or Bangladesh or Turkey or wherever, where the NEED for your skill is TREMENDOUS, and THEY WILL PAY for what you know !
Trust me - I am speaking from experience - NOT the run away thing, but go OUT of the States to FIND PARADISE elsewhere thing.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
second, it is hard to get fired, unless youre a complete dumbass,
Great for dumbasses, not so great if you've been promoted to be in charge of a department full of dumbasses.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
most it jobs start you out as at GS7, probably in mid 40s-51k
you have decent advancement options and good benefits. you won't get rich working for the government, but they will TRAIN you a lot which is good if you ever want to work elsewhere. the training oppertunites alone are probably worth it.
Bring back the old version of slashdot.
Wife and I laid off right before Christmas 2001...
Wife: Despite slowdown, she finds architecture job in one month from AIA web site.
Me: Finds Internet/broadcast engineering crossover job in three months from employer web site. Definately not my last job (which was Product Manager, streaming media), lots of new stuff to learn, is fun so far.
Four months later: Government job I applied for in January contacts me in mid April. Doh!
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You said:
"maybe so.. but some of us are entry level with no skills & experiences other than academic
Don't worry.
Experience don't come by if you just sit there and moan.
Go out there, knock on doors, hit the pavement - I know it sounds like cliche, but that's what you gotta do - and get someone to let you in.
Do whatever you already know, and ASK OTHERS for what you NOT YET KNOW !
You need to know one thing - that YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
If you keep this in mind, you will learn from others, and in the learning process, you GAIN EXPERIENCES.
Take care !
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
If what you said is true
"Should read:
... went into consultation, now in comercial email, and so on and so forth
Then where's the dinero, man ?
:)
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !