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Review of Hancom Linux 2.01 Standard

ELQ writes: "The Korean-based Hancom Linux announced that the professional version of Hancom Office Suite 2.0 is canned, but the standard version has just been released, four days ago. It seems to be a capable alternative to Star Office, for a very reasonable price. It includes a word processor, a spreadsheet, a presentation app and a rasterized painting app. OSNews has the review."

81 comments

  1. not a frst ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What's up - Isn't there a blackout today? Oh wait...it's troll day...

    1. Re:not a frst ports by DonkeyHote · · Score: -1

      This FP claimed for Logged In Trolls Worldwide!

      AC's FUCKING SUCK

    2. Re:not a frst ports by trollercoaster · · Score: -1

      You need a little more backbone, AC. When you get the FP, shout it from the roof tops. I GOT FP!!! Then you need to say something insulting about linux, motherhood, or /.er's manhood. Try that next time for a more rewarding first post experience.

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  2. NIce but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll stick with my AbiWord, Gnumeric, Evolution setup.

    But still... nice.

    1. Re:NIce but.... by Kaypro · · Score: 2

      oh and Gimp... I almost forgot!

    2. Re:NIce but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those of us that work in corporate America will stick with Office!

      Yay us!

  3. At least RMS won't be upset... by 00_NOP · · Score: 1

    ...about this one being called Linux and not GNU/Linux as it seems stuffed full of very unfree software.

  4. Dolphin Sex? by Rock+'N'+Troll · · Score: -1

    Fiwstwy, intwoductions aww wound. My name is [wemoved to pwotect dowphinwovews], musician, pwe-vet student and Dewphinic Zoophiwe. Peopwe awe often wondewing just what the heww zoophiwia is. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Zoophiwia is best descwibed as a wove of animaws so intimate that the pewson (and the animaw) invowved have no objections to expwessing theiw affection fow each othew in the sexuaw fashion, uh-hah-hah-hah. Dis is not to be confused wif bestiawity, whewe a pewson fowcefuwwy mates an animaw, without theiw consent, and wif no mutuaw feewings whatsoevew. Dis is something that I wouwd nevew do to a dowphin, since I wove them deawwy, and tweat them wif the same wespect that an honest husband wouwd have fow his wife and chiwdwen, uh-hah-hah-hah.

    Dowphins awe vewy intewwigent, highwy emotionaw and expwessive cweatuwes. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Dey enjoy the company of humans, and if a wewationship devewops between a human and a dowphin, as has happened wif me, they wiww, on occasion, wish to expwess theiw twust and affection fow you in the most diwect way; thwough mating, ow sex-pway. You see, dowphins do not use sex puwewy fow pwocweative weasons. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Dey use it as a way of stwengthening the bonds between pod mates (mothews and cawves incwuded), and awso fow fun, uh-hah-hah-hah. Dowphins and humans shawe this common twait wif vewy few othew animaws, so sometimes it makes me wondew when peopwe continue to ask me "How DO you mate wif a dowphin?". Easy. Wet the dowphin teww you!

    Weww, hewe is a sewection of qwestions peopwe have asked me, so I hope this sheds some wight on the subject...

    Q1) How do I teww a mawe dowphin fwom a femawe one?

    A1) Pwobabwy the most common qwestion I get asked. Dewe awe 2 ways of detewmining the sex of a dowphin, uh-hah-hah-hah. De most obvious way is to take a peek undew the peduncwe (the wong pawt of the body connected to the taiw fwukes). On the dowphin's bewwy, diwectwy opposite the dowsaw fin, wiww be the umbiwicus, ow the navew of the dowphin, uh-hah-hah-hah. Wooking fuwthew down towawds the taiw, you stawt to see the diffewences. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit!

    Mawe dowphins have two sepawate swits fow the penis (the uwogenitaw opening) and the anus. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Dese awe sepawated by a bwidge of skin, uh-hah-hah-hah. De mawe's uwogenitaw opening is genewawwy wocated fuwthew up the bewwy, towawds the navew.

    Femawes, on the othew fin, have one continuous wawgew swit, the anus wocated at the end of it. On eithew side of the genitaw swit, you wiww find two smawwew swits; these awe the mammawy swits, whewe the nippwes of the dowphin awe kept fow feeding the cawves. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! De swit is awso wocated cwosew to the taiw stock of the dowphin, uh-hah-hah-hah.

    De othew way to detewmine the sex of a dowphin, if you can't weach theiw bewwy, is to wook at theiw mewwon, ow head. De mawes tend to have a fattew, woundew mewwon, whiwe the femawes awe mowe sweek and stweamwined.

    Q2) How do I know if a dowphin wants to have sex?

    A2) Dewe awe vawious ways a dowphin has of showing that she ow he is intewested in sex.

    Mawes awe pwobabwy the easiest to detect. Dey wiww swim awound, spowting an ewection (anywhewe between 10 to 14 inches wong fow a Bottwe-nose), and wiww have no bones about swimming up to you and pwacing theiw membew within weach of youw hand. If you awe in the watew, they may wub it awong any pawt of youw body, ow wwap it awound youw wwist ow ankwe. (Dowphin mawes have a pwehensiwe penis. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Dey can wwap it awound objects, and cawwy them as such.) Deiw bewwy wiww awso be pinkish in cowouw, which awso denotes sexuaw excitement.

    Femawes can be a wittwe hawdew. De most obvious way a femawe dowphin has of dispwaying hew sexuaw intewest is the pink-bewwy effect. Deiw genitaws become vewy pink and swowwen, making the genitaw wegion vewy pwominent. Dey may be westwess, ow they may be acting as nowmaw. If you awe out of the watew, they may swim up to you and woww bewwy up, exposing themsewves to you, coupwed wif pewvic thwusts. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! If you awe in the watew, they may pwess theiw genitaws up against youws, nibbwe youw fingews, nuzzwe youw cwotch, ow do pewvic thwusts against you.

    Each dowphins way of expwessing sexuaw weadiness vawies, so the wongew you know the dowphin, the bettew you wiww detect when they awe sexuawwy active.

    Q3) What do I do if a dowphin wants to mate wif me?

    A3) Accept, if possibwe! I wiww go thwough the steps invowved wif mawes and femawes. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! ..

    De Mawe:

    When a mawe dowphin is intewested in you, about the onwy thing you can do, if you awe mawe, is to mastuwbate him. (Unfowtunatewy, I cannot speak fow the femawe of the human species. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! .. it seems women just don't wike dowphins enough... so I cannot say fow suwe if it is safe to mate wif them. I wouwd suspect not, due to a dowphins size, but then again, I cannot say fow a woman, uh-hah-hah-hah. )

    WAWNING! In the considewations of safety, you shouwd NEVEW wet a mawe dowphin attempt anaw sex wif you. De Bottwe-nose dowphin membew is awound 12 inches, vewy muscuwaw, and the thwusting and the fowce of ejacuwation (A mawe can come as faw as 14 feet) wouwd cause sewious intewnaw injuwies, wesuwting in pewitonitus and possibwe death. Unwess you awe the masochistic type, you wiww have a hawd time expwaining youw pwedicament to the doctows in the emewgency wawd....

    A mawe dowphin's membew is woughwy S-shaped, tapewed at the end. If you awe in the watew wif them, it is best to suppowt the dowphin on his side, just undew the watew, wif one hand, and handwe him wif the othew. Mawe dowphins, I find, tend to pwefew the base of the penis to be gentwy massaged and sqweezed, as weww as gentwy wubbed awong it's wength. It feews vewy much wike the west of the dowphin (ie. smoof and wubbewy to the touch, but fiwmew). It doesn't take wong fow the mawe to ejacuwate, awound 40 seconds to a minute, and this is usuawwy accompanied by eithew shuddewing just pwiow to ejacuwating, and thwusting and taiw-awching duwing ejacuwation, uh-hah-hah-hah. De fowce of ejacuwation can be powewfuw at times, so it is best to keep youw face out of the wine of fiwe, ow keep his membew undewwatew. You can attempt to wick and suck on the end of it whiwe mastuwbating as weww, but be wawned, do not twy to give fuww thwoat, and get the heww out of the way befowe he ejacuwates! A mawe dowphin couwd snap youw neck in a accidentaw thwust, and that wouwd be the end of that wewationship.

    De Femawe:

    Weww, the femawes awe again a wittwe twickiew. Dewe awe two couwses of action wif a femawe fin: Mastuwbation, ow mating.

    Mastuwbation: Femawe dowphins, once they show intewest in you, can be suppowted in much the same way as the mawe, one hand undew the fin, suppowting hew, the othew doing the stimuwating. De cwitowis of the femawe is wocated at the top of the genitaw swit, and is a pwominent wump when ewect. You can wub this wif youw fingew tips, ow wick and suck it, but wif the owaw aspect, you might end up wif a bwuised nose as they thwust up into you. You can swide youw hand gentwy into theiw genitaw opening, and feew awound inside, wubbing gentwy. Dey feew wawm and muscuwaw inside, theiw wabia wike tough, sqwishy sponge when they awe excited. Don't be suwpwised if they stawt to pway wif youw hand inside them. Dey have vewy manipuwative muscwes, and can use them to cawwy and manipuwate objects, incwuding youw hand. (Dey can do things that wouwd make a weguwaw human woman tuwn gween wif envy.) Deiw cwimax is coupwed wif stiffening, shuddewing, sometimes a wot of thwusting, cwinching of the vaginaw muscwes, and sometimes vocawization, uh-hah-hah-hah.

    Mating: Dis is hawdew. Obviouswy, being human, it is awkwawd, but not impossibwe to mate in open watew. It is easiew to have the dowphin in a shawwow awea (wike the shawwows just off the beach) awound 1 1/2 to 2 feet deep. Dis is usuawwy comfowtabwe enough fow bof the dowphin and you. Gentwy, you shouwd woww the dowphin on hew side, so she is wying bewwy-towawds you. You can pwop youwsewf up on an ewbow, and wie bewwy to bewwy against hew. You may want to use the othew awm to gentwy howd hew cwose, and pwace the tip of youw membew against hew genitaw swit. She wiww, if intewested, awch hew body up against you, taking you inside hew body. Dewe is usuawwy a faiw bit of wwiggwing and shifting, usuawwy to get comfowtabwe, bof outside and inside. Once comfowtabwe, though, femawes initiate a sewies of muscuwaw vaginaw contwactions that wub the entiwe wengf of youw membew. Dey may awso thwust whythmicawwy against you, so enjoy the expewience whiwe you can, since you wiww wawewy wast wongew that a minute ow two. Just pwiow to hew cwimaxing, she wiww up the speed of hew contwactions and thwusts. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! It is intewesting to note that the times I have mated wif femawes, they have timed theiw owgasm to mine. Whethew they do this consciouswy ow not, I do not know, but it is a gweat feewing to have two bodies shuddewing against each othew at the one time.

    One thing to note. Whethew you mastuwbate ow mate a fin, mawe ow femawe, awways spend time wif them aftewwawds. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Cuddwe them, wub them, tawk to them and most impowtantwy, show them you wove them. Dis is essentiaw, as it hewps to stwengthen the bond between you. Wike a way of saying that this wasn't just a one-night fwing. De dowphins appweciate it, and they wiww want youw company mowe the next time you visit them.

    Q4) What diseases can I get fwom dowphins? Can I give them any?

    A4) I have had no expewiences wif Sexuawwy Twansmitted Diseases (STD's) wif dowphins, so I couwdn't wightfuwwy say. I do know, howevew, that you can pass the Fwu between you, awong wif othew wespiwatowy pwobwems. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! (I got a cowd when a dowphin sneezed on me once. It cweawed up aftew a week ow so.) You can awso pass some skin iwwitations on to them, if you handwe them wif chaffed ow bwoken skin, uh-hah-hah-hah. Just wike wif a human, it is best to BE CWEAN when you handwe a dowphin, uh-hah-hah-hah. If you have cuts on youw hands, avoid touching them unwess you wash wif a Betadine suwgicaw scwub pwiow to handwing. Dis is avaiwabwe fwom most Vetewinawy and Suwgicaw suppwiews. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! If you have some disease of some sowt, avoid mating, fow the dowphins sake. Dis is a wittwe known awea, mowe so because Zoophiwia is considewed iwwegaw in many pwaces (which I think is a woad of cwud, but the waw's the waw....)

    Q5) Is theiw any way I can invite a dowphin to be mastuwbated?

    A5) Weww, yes. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! If they awe hanging awound, but not wooking pawticuwawwy excited, but you awe, you can invite them wif this way...

    Mawe and Femawe dowphins can be invited by wowwing them on theiw sides, again, but instead of going stwaight to the genitaw swit, wub awong theiw bewwies, between theiw pectowaw fins, awong the navew, and evewy once in a whiwe, ovew the genitaw swit. If they awe wesponsive, they wiww show the signs of excitement as descwibed eawwiew, and you can pwoceed as usuaw. If, howevew, they awe not wesponsive, they wiww swim away, ow tuwn back upwight. DO NOT fowce the issue wif a dowphin! Twying to westwain them wiww onwy bweak theiw twust in you, and couwd cause you sewious injuwy. Pat them, stwoke them and tawk to them wovingwy, but do not twy anything ewse. It is best, anyway, to wet the dowphin teww you when they awe weady. It is faw mowe pweasant, and mowe fuwfiwwing anyway. And mowe speciaw.

    Q6) Whewe can I find a dowphin to mate with?

    A6) Aqwawiums awe a bad choice, fow many weasons. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Too pubwic, the dowphins awe not in theiw natuwaw habitat, night visits awe impossibwe, etc etc... some may have extewnaw encwosuwes, which may be accessibwe, but that is no guawantee. Best thing sometimes is to find a beach ow a cove that the dowphins fweqwent. It takes time to devewop a wewationship wif a dowphin to the point whewe they wiww wet you mate wif them (awthough some have been as qwick as 3 days to accwimatize). Gaining theiw twust takes time, and you need to visit fweqwentwy. Dis is impossibwe fow some peopwe, I undewstand, but it is the best way. Sometimes you just need to be in the wight pwace at the wight time. I have been extwemewy wucky on two occasions wif wiwd dowphins, and my cuwwent mate is a dowphin who wives in the hawbow of my wesident city.

    Weww, I hope this is of use to whoevew is intewested. One finaw note. You shouwd wove a dowphin, not because of the sexuaw wewief they can pwovide, but because they awe a uniqwe animaw, one of the few wiwd animaws that seek the company of man by theiw own initiative. Dis is speciaw. Do not abuse it.

  5. Is it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from North or South Korea ?

    1. Re:Is it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Hancom is in South Korea.

  6. Hancom Linux is a tool of Scientology! by DonkeyHote · · Score: -1

    Fucking Koreans, I hate them all! smelly kim-chee eating cock monkeys, they smell like fish. We should nuke Korea and be done with them.

  7. Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Tom's Hardware ran a thorough review of the new Hand-com last week.

  8. that would be pronounced "rinux" by trollercoaster · · Score: -1

    Take that round eye!

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  9. Chapter 3: Exile; 4 out soon by Walmart+Security · · Score: -1

    It was late, nearly seven in the morning. The sun was rising; it crept through my window, seemingly in defiance of the darkness that was beginning to elude it. Its effluence of light had proven itself to be more beautiful every day. A mere twenty years of age, I'd not yet experienced a job in which people trusted you, especially with their well-being. Searching futily for the cable that connected the remote control to the new Zenith television that I'd purchased from my parents, I realized that my appointment was only an hour away. I hadn't any time to leisurely brew coffee and catch up on the country's events. As I stepped out of bed, I cringed slightly. The tile floor always seemed gelid to my bare feet during the winter, especially after one of those egregiously arctic nights when it seemed as though the season would never enter the transition to spring.

    According to popular rumor, William Robinson, the man who would later interview me, was facilely impressed by somebody who wore fashionable clothing. I had purchased a pink polo shirt and dress pants a week prior from the Sears catalog. Today I would exhibit them as I attempted to become a security assistant. I stepped into the five year old maroon, 1947 Plymouth that I'd inherited from my grandfather. It operated immaculately. The bleak, uneventful drive to Robinson's office seemed like an eternity; I was quite eager to commence my interview.

    "So you're Peter Geralds," a stocky man greeted me. He pointed at a chair. "Come, sit. May I offer you something to drink? Water? Coffee?"

    "No, thank you." I replied with all of the calmness that I could muster.

    He chuckled. "A martini?"

    I had anticipated that William would be a businesslike, humorless man. What a pleasant surprise it was to meet somebody in an executive position that was so laid-back. "So, you want to be a security..." He flipped through my application. "... assistant, do you?"

    "Why yes sir, I do." I hadn't been in a mood as pleasant as this for months, perhaps even years.

    Then his smile turned to a rather maniacal glare. "You won't live long enough to be one." He hastily produced a Smith and Wesson revolver from his desk drawer and fired twice. I screamed as the bullets penetrated my chest. The man then walked over to my chair and pushed me to the floor. After a moment, I was drowning in my own warm blood, unable to think of anything but the searing pain...

    ... "Yeah, yeah. No, patient two-four-seven isn't conscious. Yeah, I want a cheeseburger. With mayo. Go get them, Rhonda. Now!" A man said commandingly.

    "Fine, you anal-retentive... Ugh." The second voice was that of a woman; she seemed to be unwilling to comply.

    I opened my eyes attenuately. Unbearable pain indicated that I hadn't utilized them for days. My unfocused eyes created a vision of a white blur overhead. Perhaps I'd entered the afterlife. "Are you an angel?" I queried.

    Whoever was standing over me began laughing feverishly. "I'm Thomas, your doctor. You certainly have a good sense of humor for somebody who has been unconscious for two days." His voice increased in intensity. "Hey Rhonda, before you leave, mark two-four-seven as conscious!"

    "Where am I? Where's Robert? What happened?!" I was fretting. After all, he was my direct responsibility. If he had died, I promised myself that I would leave the security business permanently both in mourning and to prevent another tragedy occuring on my watch.

    "You're at Christus Jasper Memorial. I'm afraid to say that Robert Arishima..." I interrupted the doctor in mid-sentence. "No!" I screamed, on the edge of tears. "He can't be dead! Not Robert! Why not me?"

    Thomas placed his hand on my shoulder, comforting me. "I'm afraid to say that Mr. Arishima was released without injury two days ago, so you can't see him presently. Would you like me to call him?"

    I felt as though I was a simpleton. How humiliating. Hopefully the doctor would practice a lot of discretion with both his peers and other patients, as well as Robert. "Yes, if it isn't bothersome."

    "No, not at all," he replied. "Also, I have your incident report here, would you like to read it?"

    Predictably, I responded with one word: "yes." Maybe it would shed light on the accident that Robert and I were involved in. My eyes, fortunately, were now focused. I grasped the paper as Thomas handed it to me and began reading the hastily constructed, rather inaccurate report:

    "Incident report submitted by Harris on 3 April at 4 AM.

    Two security attendants at Jasper Walmart Supercenter (Robert Arishima, Peter Geralds; blue EZSECURE golf cart, 1992) involved in vehicular collision with Paul Cryer (silver Mercedes-Benz SUV, 2001). Cryer reports that an unprovoked altercation (Arishima and Geralds being the aggressors) between the three preceded the accident..."

    "Hey, Peter?" It was Robert! I ceased reading as he entered the room. "I've got bad news. You've um, been suspended as a security guard until EZSECURE investigates what happened. I'm sorry... Are you okay?"

  10. It's sad... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Hancom Office when I tried it 6 months ago.. sucked royally. They could have spent the time making a product that people would have bought up readily and fast...

    Import filters for Open Office that correctly import/export Microsoft file formats.

    I know I would pay $79.95 for such a beast.
    Open office feels and works well.. the only place it's lacking is the import/export... and Hancom could have made a TON of money making those tools.

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    1. Re:It's sad... by DonkeyHote · · Score: -1

      Thats about the only thing koreans are good for sucking royally, I really miss living there, nothing beats a two dollar blow job...

    2. Re:It's sad... by JPriest · · Score: 1

      That is a good point, there is a huge stack of "almost there" office products, it would be nice to see some of the organizations with the recourses to put them out combine efforts for a main stream product.

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  11. Alternative??? by plasticpixel · · Score: 1

    Ummm... isn't Star Office the 'alternative'
    to MS office, (and free)? So this is a non-cost
    effective alternative to an free-alternative? It truely is the end of the world. I'm going back to vi. :)

    1. Re:Alternative??? by The+Night+Watchman · · Score: 2

      Actually, Sun isn't releasing StarOffice v6.0 for free to the Linux or Windows crowds anymore. And my own experience with StarOffice was that it was rather slow, and left behind a lot of zombie processes that defied even the almighty "kill -9".

      What I'd like to see is Hancom Word compared against KOffice and AbiWord, which are still very free and fairly high-quality products. Of course, I'm still waiting for someone to port Bank Street Writer over to Linux. There have got to be a few loose cannons out there who are willing to give that a shot...

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    2. Re:Alternative??? by DonkeyHote · · Score: -1

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    3. Re:Alternative??? by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just for future reference, you can't kill a zombie process, no matter what application creates it. A zombie isn't actually running, or consuming any resource beyond the process table entry - its executable has been unmapped, its file descriptors closed, and its memory returned to the system. It's only purpose at that point is hold the exit status until its parent process examines it. And, a zombie will never be left behind when the parent process exits, as they will be inherited by init, which will reap them immediately.

      A programing keeping many zombies around is bad ettiquite for sure, but not really a problem.

    4. Re:Alternative??? by sydb · · Score: 2

      Perhaps he meant OpenOffice which is still Free in both senses of the word. StarOffice has extra bells and whistles but at core they're the same. For features OpenOffice blows away KWord and Abiword. For stability and speed, well, I'm told OO is much better nowadays.

      Anyway, LyX beats them all hands down. If only it didn't depend on XForms.

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    5. Re:Alternative??? by psamuels · · Score: 1
      A programing keeping many zombies around is bad ettiquite for sure, but not really a problem.

      Well, unless it's Solaris 2.2 which as I recall used to keep zombies around for no reason at all, eventually filling up your process table and forcing you to reboot, if something else didn't take the system down first. Which was also not exactly unheard-of. And to think, with that ... unillustrious ... introduction to Unix - I still turned out a Unix weenie.

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    6. Re:Alternative??? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      If you consider speed, stability and simplicity features, well Abiword wins hands down. If need frames or insert alot of pictures, well Kword works very well.

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    7. Re:Alternative??? by sydb · · Score: 2

      LyX has all those! You need to put the MS Word mindframe to one side, of course, but LyX can produce any kind of document under the sun with great efficiency.

      One thing I like is that LyX can do equations very, very well. Much better than Word, even, and I respected Equation Editor when I used Word 2.0. Show me formulas working properly in Abiword (not there yet) or KWord (severely broken).

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      Yours Sincerely, Michael.
    8. Re:Alternative??? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Lyx does not have simplicity. Trust me I know. I am using it to write my thesis. If you have not fully learned how to use Lyx, and yes I know about the tutorial, Abiword is a much better choice for small documents.

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      Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
  12. Girl Scouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The Girl Scouts announced today that they will start to sell Linux CD-ROMs in addition to the traditional cookies. A spokesman for the organization said, "Cookie sales are slumping and the cookie manufacturers are constantly nagging us for a larger share of the profits. Demand for Linux, on the other hand, is increasing. Plus, we can acquire Linux CDs for almost nothing. Fund raising will never be the same again."

    Starting next month, Girl Scouts will begin door-to-door sales, asking residents, "Would you like an operating system that doesn't crash? It's only $5, or $30 if you buy a book to go with it." With the increasing dissatisfaction with Windows and the increasing awareness of Linux and open source software, the Girl Scouts expect sales to be strong.

    Other organizations are eyeing Linux as a possible fundraising venture. One PBS station in California is giving away complementary Linux CDs to all viewers who send in donations. Donations to the station have tripled over the last month, prompting the station manager to announce, "Finally! We can now afford to show decent programming for a change! Thank you, Linus Torvalds."

    In a related story, one breakfast cereal maker is offering free Linux CDs in selected boxes. A spokesman said, "A few months ago we inked a deal with Microsoft to provide free Internet Explorer 6 CDs in our boxes. In short, consumer reaction to the IE offer was horrible. Sales actually dropped. We've cancelled that promotion and are now offering free Linux CDs in selected boxes (i.e. the ones that are more expensive). Initial reaction has been very strong. In the future we may offer a new cereal under the 'Tux the Penguin' brand."

  13. Sharp Zaurus by l810c · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Scaled down versions of the Hancom apps are on the new Sharp Zaurus. Played with on the other day and they seemed to work as well as the MS apps on Compaq etc.

  14. Can't save .doc? by ACK!! · · Score: 2

    Listen, I prefer to send my docs out as pdf files or rtf if I can get away with it.

    However, I have been asked more than once to send a document in the dreaded .doc format. I rely on OpenOffice at this point to do that job for me on documents without a great deal .doc style voodo and formatting going on inside. (I have only had one doc that refused to convert correctly with some very nasty embedded graphics by the way.)

    Unless a word processor can save in the dreaded doc format I am not about to chunk OpenOffice for all its speed issues anytime soon. It is a sad thing that corporate america has hinged most of its documentation onto this standard but they have.

    I don't mean this as a troll because anytime a commercial software company releases software for linux its nice in terms of having options. I just hope they get their filters straight for the next release.

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    1. Re:Can't save .doc? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      save as your .RTF and then rename it as a .doc

      Office will happily open the rtf file misnamed as a doc and the brain-dead user is none the wiser.

      anyone that asks for it in .doc format is an indication that they are pretty much clueless.... the .doc rename end-runs these dummies.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    2. Re:Can't save .doc? by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      That's basically how it works. But if you don't want to waste your 10 seconds renaming a file, Microsoft Word defaultly handles RTF and the icon is similar to the Word Document icon. Hopefully the same cluelessness would lead the individual to not pay attention to the RTF in place of DOC - Lord knows they don't pay attention to EXE, PIF, and COM ...

      ~LoudMusic

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    3. Re:Can't save .doc? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      you would be suprised... there are HR people out there that whine,cry and have fits if they dont see .doc

      They dont even TRY to open it... they just act like the big babies they are and throw a fit.... saying "NO, we only open .doc files."

      I find it humorus.. and fire back.."Our company doesnt allow .doc files as they carry and propagate viruses through email and other means." I usually dont get a complaint back and they actually open the rtf I sent after that.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    4. Re:Can't save .doc? by ACK!! · · Score: 2

      At the risk of my karma, I reply...

      This is fine and I have done this same move for simple docs.

      However, when the project manager sends complex doc based templates expecting you to edit these for the task and then send them back you are stuck. Why? Because the rtf format can't handle the formatting and embedded images and other noise they send in these documents.

      When the docs have tables, images and funky formatting that even Abiword sees as odd symbols then you are shot and have to use OpenOffice and save in a .doc format or even worse I go over to my NT compile box and open it there. God, I hate windows but simplistic solutions only work for the simple.

      There are a lot of people that live and die by the hand of MSOffice and do all kinds of unexpected overly complicated documents and spreadsheets with these tools probably to impress their bosses with their 'puter skills.

      In these cases the wonderous .rtf format won't cut it.

      But, I am still open to suggestions.

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    5. Re:Can't save .doc? by mobiGeek · · Score: 2
      However, when the project manager sends complex doc based templates expecting you to edit these for the task and then send them back you are stuck.

      No, you're not stuck...you're a MS-Word user.

      Other word processors makers hope to create a product that is compatible with MS-Word, not a product that is MS-Word. If your project manager is demanding that level of MS-Word-specific stuff done, then use MS-Word or tell him/her that you don't work that way.

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      ...Beware the IDEs of Microsoft...

  15. Just released? Ive had my 2.0 for over a month. by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Informative

    An UPDATE was just released.. 2.0.1
    Pro is still planned *someday* according
    to their last user emailing.. not 'canned' (yet)

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  16. Linux for the masses by Liora · · Score: 1

    If you want linux to be the OS of the elite it makes perfect sense to bash this product. User friendliness (or an OS being picky about its friends) is undesirable and annoying (who needs a mouse anyway...).

    If however, what you want is more OS variety worldwide (read open market with no barriers to entry) products like this will help a lot. I think that because I believe so strongly in open source OS's I have to support these kinds of suites. They will increase the likelihood of open source OS reaching the general public. I know, there are a lot of people here who feel a lot closer to that first paragraph.

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    Liora
  17. Wazzup Doc? by DonkeyHote · · Score: -1

    You'm all ought to know, us black folk ain'ta niggers, you need to see that as the representitive of the afro-american community, and a well established fund raising afro-american cause. Actually that is well hung dick to you'm white folk. I am the man.....yes er ree brother talkin.....

    You needs to see the winds of change. cuz i am the legend whom makes martin luther king and Malcom x taddpoles in the stream of urine. Hallylooya -amen brother....

    Libert-y was not founded on the back of oppression. it was founded on the back of many southern white bitches as we screwed there lilly white ass to death. This Snake in my trouser-s is bigger if not more poundage than your average white needle dick. Amen to that white boy...

    You ought not ask what we can do for you, but ask what you can do for my black ass. You neanderthall week minded muslim loving herd nerding european fag loving folks? If you whit liberal sexist butt fucking white boys could learn to get of the trailer park and into some white ass then you can see that....... Amen brother we have prevailed.... yeah we got it all.... you gave it to us you moronic white asses of a cum twat beer drinking fag loving white peach dick ass.

    Youm need to see that I the good reverend can not be held accountable for the trash talking bible to my use wielding instrument. That that book is mine and i change it daily to suit my needs. So take your charlie daniels ass back to hickville you bunch of crud sucking no color looking no beauty ever fools. Amen I say it so well.....

    You all are probably mild mannered funn loving donkey chasing bull dick licken Steelers fans too. Oh you should never say so much as me hanging from a tree as your women can see my dick hanging in her ass. Remember me when you eat the snatch tonight and remember that i was there........

    Good day you white no dick pecker lickers.....

    This has been the revrend and I have spoken............

  18. Lunix Bad for your Health! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    You may be surprised to learn that the software you use affects your health. A group of medical researchers in the Midwest have discovered proof that the effect of using quality, reliable software on human health is undeniable.

    An unbiased medical study was recently completed which included blood tests, double-blind placebo-controlled user tests, heart monitors and urine samples, among other techniques. The study was led by Dr. Robert Wilkes and his assistant Dr. Li Huang, both of whom have a strong background in computer software. The details have not yet been made available to the public, however Drs. Wilkes and Huang have asked that the public be provided with a summary of their findings as soon as possible.

    This study was conducted over a period of two years, and the results will be published shortly in a major medical journal. The subjects for the study were 235 computer users and programmers, of varying skill levels, selected at random from major cities in the U.S., and carefully monitored on a periodic basis for software-related stress, illness, injury and other ailments. They also performed psychological evaluations to determine the effect of various software brands on the users' mental health.

    Below is a brief summary of the results of their findings.

    Users of Microsoft Windows, Office and Internet Explorer have a significantly lower incidence of stomach ulcers, colonic gas, redness of the eyes, and stress-related high blood pressure than their Unix & Linux counterparts -- particularly the users of Solarus, Red Hat, NOME, KDE and Netscape, among others. It was believed that the ocular redness was related to the high percentage of marijuana abusers in the Linux community, and urinalysis confirmed this to be the case. Further study and psychoanalysis showed that the stress and ulceration (found in the Unix & Linux users) were primarily caused by the following factors:

    1. Uncertainty about the future of their operating system.
    2. The perceived need to "fight the system", or a sort of internal struggle against large corporations (such as Microsoft).
    3. The necessity of posturing oneself as "reet" in order to gain the respect of colleagues. (These users failed to inform Dr. Wilkes as to the meaning of this obscure term. If anyone here can provide a definition, that would be appreciated.)
    4. Feelings of fear or paranoia concerning illegal hacking, cracking and "where's" smuggling activities. (Such feelings were quite widespread among this group, and tend to also cause the flatus which was mentioned earlier.)

    The Unix & Linux users also had a greater incidence of carpal-tunnel syndrome, due to the greater necessity of typing at the command line. Examination of the wrist muscles in this group of users found numerous cases of inflammation and irreparable injury caused by their incessant command-line usage, whereas the majority of Microsoft users, who primarily use the mouse and seldom type, had healthy wrist muscles.

    The Microsoft users exhibited tranquility, good mental and physical health, and balanced emotional well-being. They tend to spend more time at the gym, visit family and friends more often, and are more outgoing and social. Dr. Huang found that this is due to the fact that their operating system doesn't require them to spend long hours studying Mann pages in order to perform simple maintenance tasks. Their primary reasons for feeling secure were as follows:

    1. Their choice of software is friendly and colorful, plays interesting sounds when they start up, shut down, or click on certain pictures, and Microsoft provides plenty of hotfixes such as Windows Update to keep their computer safe from hackers.
    2. They feel secure about the future of Microsoft, partly because its founder is the richest man on the planet. As one user noted, "Bill Gates is one smart cookie. He knows how to make computers easy for people like me. I trust him with the future of my computer, because he always comes up with nifty ways to make computers fun. Plus he's darn rich, so they won't be going bankrupt anytime soon! LOL!"
    3. User enjoyed the catchphrase "Where do you want to go today?" because it made them feel as though Microsoft were catering to their wishes and needs, which does in fact appear to be true.

    Among the focus groups examined were numerous programmers, of various software persuasions. The programmers using Visual Basic, ASP and .NET technologies were the healthiest overall, and Dr. Wilkes found that this was directly related to the security they felt in their careers. The .NET programmers were especially well-adjusted, partly due to their sense of pride and being on the cutting edge of technology. "Microsoft is the biggest game in town," one engineer raved, "and those who miss the .NET bandwagon are getting left by the wayside. Nobody in the industry has produced a virtual-machine-based, object-oriented language like Microsoft's C# until now."

    The Unix & Linux programmers using Java, J2EE, JSP and PHP were found to have the lowest health ratings. Upon further analysis, it was determined that this was due to the following primary factors:

    1. Lack of drag-and-drop interfaces which automatically generate source code. In comparison to the Microsoft-based developers, this group spent a lot of extra time writing code from scratch. This led to less time spent with family and friends, which led to ulcers, gastrointestinal disorders and high levels of stress.
    2. A feeling of being "left behind" or "out of the loop" with regard to Microsoft's revolutionary new technologies in the .NET family of products. These users have an unwritten "anarchic" rule that they will not install Microsoft's products on their PCs, thus they often wonder what new, exciting features they are missing. Some develop psychological complexes based on their high levels of curiosity.
    3. Uneasiness about being involved in illegal hacking activities, or in many cases, the need to be perceived as "reet" among peers.

    Keep in mind that this study was performed without prejudice, and with the strictest adherence to the guidelines set forth by the profession for clinical trials of this nature. Dr. Wilkes and his colleagues are educated professionals of the highest degree, and their vast research in medicine and the field of computer software allows them to speak with authority on these issues.

    Please take this opportunity to reevaluate your choice of software, and be aware that it can drastically affect your physical and mental health.

  19. More news from Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Karl Marx and Frederick Engels

    MANIFESTO
    OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY

    1848

    A spectre is haunting Europe -- the spectre of communism. All the
    powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this
    spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and
    German police-spies.

    Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as
    communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has
    not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more
    advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary
    adversaries?

    Two things result from this fact:

    I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be
    itself a power.

    II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the
    whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies,
    and meet this nursery tale of the spectre of communism with a
    manifesto of the party itself.

    To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in
    London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the
    English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

    I -- BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS [1]

    The history of all hitherto existing society [2] is the history of class
    struggles.

    Freeman and slave, patrician and plebian, lord and serf, guild-master
    [3] and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in
    constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now
    hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a
    revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin
    of the contending classes.

    In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a
    complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold
    gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights,
    plebians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals,
    guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these
    classes, again, subordinate gradations.

    The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal
    society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but
    established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of
    struggle in place of the old ones.

    Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this
    distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a
    whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into
    two great classes directly facing each other -- bourgeoisie and
    proletariat.

    From the serfs of the Middle Ages sprang the chartered burghers of the
    earliest towns. From these burgesses the first elements of the
    bourgeoisie were developed.

    The discovery of America, the rounding of the Cape, opened up fresh
    ground for the rising bourgeoisie. The East-Indian and Chinese markets,
    the colonisation of America, trade with the colonies, the increase in
    the means of exchange and in commodities generally, gave to commerce, to
    navigation, to industry, an impulse never before known, and thereby, to
    the revolutionary element in the tottering feudal society, a rapid
    development.

    The feudal system of industry, in which industrial production was
    monopolized by closed guilds, now no longer suffices for the growing
    wants of the new markets. The manufacturing system took its place. The
    guild-masters were pushed aside by the manufacturing middle class;
    division of labor between the different corporate guilds vanished in the
    face of division of labor in each single workshop.

    Meantime, the markets kept ever growing, the demand ever rising. Even
    manufacturers no longer sufficed. Thereupon, steam and machinery
    revolutionized industrial production. The place of manufacture was
    taken by the giant, MODERN INDUSTRY; the place of the industrial middle
    class by industrial millionaires, the leaders of the whole industrial
    armies, the modern bourgeois.

    Modern industry has established the world market, for which the
    discovery of America paved the way. This market has given an immense
    development to commerce, to navigation, to communication by land. This
    development has, in turn, reacted on the extension of industry; and in
    proportion as industry, commerce, navigation, railways extended, in the
    same proportion the bourgeoisie developed, increased its capital, and
    pushed into the background every class handed down from the Middle Ages.

    We see, therefore, how the modern bourgeoisie is itself the product of a
    long course of development, of a series of revolutions in the modes of
    production and of exchange.

  20. I've got a sweet cookie for you! by DonkeyHote · · Score: -1

    You'm all nught to know, us black folk ain'ta niggers, you need to see that as the representitive of the afro-american community, and a well established fund raising afro-american cause. Actually that is well hung dick to you'm white folk. I am the man.....yes er ree brother talkin.....

    You needs to see the winds of change. cuz i am the legend whom makes martin luther king and Malcom x taddpoles in the stream of urine. Hallylooya -amen brother....

    Libert-y was not founded on the back of oppression. it was founded on the back of many southern white bitches as we screwed there lilly white ass to death. This Snake in my trouser-s is bigger if not more poundage than your average white needle dick. Amen to that white boy...

    You ought not ask what we can do for you, but ask what you can do for my black ass. You neanderthall week minded muslim loving herd nerding european fag loving folks? If you whit liberal sexist butt fucking white boys could learn to get of the trailer park and into some white ass then you can see that....... Amen brother we have prevailed.... yeah we got it all.... you gave it to us you moronic white asses of a cum twat beer drinking fag loving white peach dick ass.

    Youm need to see that I the good reverend can not be held accountable for the trash talking bible to my use wielding instrument. That that book is mine and i change it daily to suit my needs. So take your charlie daniels ass back to hickville you bunch of crud sucking no color looking no beauty ever fools. Amen I say it so well.....

    You all are probably mild mannered funn loving donkey chasing bull dick licken Steelers fans too. Oh you should never say so much as me hanging from a tree as your women can see my dick hanging in her ass. Remember me when you eat the snatch tonight and remember that i was there........

    Good day you white no dick pecker lickers.....

    This has been the revrend and I have spoken............

  21. The painting app is rasterized? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    Not a raster painting app?

  22. Spam! by ArchieBunker · · Score: -1

    Great more spam from those gooks who can't configure sendmail properly. I'll stop calling them gooks when the spam stops.

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    Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
  23. Another review by alewando · · Score: 3, Informative

    Applelinks had a preview a few months ago, and it's worth noting the differences between that review's projected features and the ones revealed in today's review.

    But even more important than that is to remember that this Office suite isn't only aimed at Linux. It's also aimed squarely at the MacOSX crowd, which could help expand its market penetration. (Businesses that are slow to adopt Linux on the desktop are often less tentative about permitting MacOSX installations.)

    1. Re:Another review by 56ker · · Score: 2

      With MS Office, Star Office & Open Office all going after the same customers I don't rate their chances of making an impact very high!

  24. Hancom Painter? by Wolfier · · Score: 1

    Serious competition to The GIMP, no?

    1. Re:Hancom Painter? by WinterSolstice · · Score: 2
      Sure looks better than Gimp for the paintbrush type things. It is probably pretty quick for doing little tiny simple stuff, and Gimp can be overwhelming.

      I prefer Gimp anyhow, but it is nice to see something that can compete with pbrush and "photo editor".

      -WS

      --
      An operating system should be like a light switch... simple, effective, easy to use, and designed for everyone.
  25. FreeBSD version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will they come out with a FreeBSD version? We need to demand applications for this popular operating system to counter the inordinate amount of *linux hype out there which is causing businesses to go out of business in droves.

  26. just what we need... by bytes256 · · Score: 0

    more flame fuel...forget vi vs. Emacs and Gnome vs. KDE...now we've got Hancom vs. Star/OpenOffice vs. KOffice vs...

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  27. Gobe Productive by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 1

    does all this stuff, saves files to .doc, .xls, and .pdf and is due out for linux Real Soon Now(TM). oh yeah, it also costs the same right now. and also the license that comes with Gobe Productive is much more user friendly. apart from the fact that this is out for linux now, it doesn't seem all that impressive.

    FYI: Gobe's website.

    1. Re:Gobe Productive by christfokkar · · Score: 0

      apart from the fact that this is out for linux now, it doesn't seem all that impressive.

      I think you're missing the point, which is that products like Hanscom Office indicate that east asia is finally 'getting' software. This is significant, because open source ideally would tap the resources of the world programming community, not just the english-language speakers and Eastern Europeans. I'm surprised that asian language keyboarding has come far enough to allow this kind of cross-collaboration. Just a few years ago, multi-language support was still a huge problem.

      Did you expect front-line productivity apps from Korea in 2002 any more than people expected Korean cars in 1990? Now they are virtually dominating. This is the inevitable progression of any industry. Products that are considered mundane are picked up by developing third-world industries, and the rest of us push the envelope.

      Hanscom has authored a full-featured application suite, even though this is in a part of the world where piracy is taken almost for granted. I think they deserve a little bit of credit. Maybe you think that just because it doesn't Go or Be that it's not worth its salt? Just because it is Korean doesn't mean you should be putting it down.

  28. Where's the bloody API by fm6 · · Score: 2

    I went out and bouth Hancom Office when I read that the Visio clone had scripting. But it's just like KOffice -- some APIs exposed to Python, and undocumented APIs at that. I gather you can at least figure out the KOffice API if you know Python, but Hancom doesn't even provide that much info.

    1. Re:Where's the bloody API by christfokkar · · Score: 0

      I gather you can at least figure out the KOffice API if you know Python, but Hancom doesn't even provide that much info.

      You are nitpicking a bit don't you think? This is the first major productivity app from Korea and all you want to know is where is the 300 page manual. Wake up, this is the 21st century, software doesn't come with a huge manual anymore. Like it would be easy for a new company like Hanscom to put together this kind of documentation either. Where are the APIs for Windows and Linux? Meanwhile, these are american, it should be easy for them.

    2. Re:Where's the bloody API by fm6 · · Score: 2
      ...all you want to know is where is the 300 page manual.
      No, I want announced features to be actually useable, at least in theory. "Scripting" is part of the official feature list, but doesn't rate a single word in the manual. Nor has Hancom responded to my inquires on the subject. I can't even find anything to support their claim that they've actually implemented this feature.
  29. Does it worth it's price? by HeUnique · · Score: 2, Flamebait
    Hmm.. lets see

    Hancom Office costs $59.95, cannot export to Word .doc format, cannot do fonts anti aliasing, and works only with standard (RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake) Linux distributions.

    On the other side - CrossOver Office costs $54.95, and it's running your own copy of Office 97 & 2000 (Word, Excel, Powerpoint, even Outlook and Explorer!), does fonts anti-aliasing, runs on all Linux distributions, reads/writes .doc formats perfectly, and your money supports the biggest code contributions to WineHQ tree.

    Now - could someone explain to me why would I need to buy Hancom Office?

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    Hetz (Heunique)
    1. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >cannot do fonts anti aliasing

      It can do AA, but it is extremely slow, so they have turned it off. The slowness is because of the Freetype AA rendering code, not because of Hancom. Read the review.

      >works only with standard (RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake) Linux distributions.

      This is wrong. It worked with Gentoo just fine. You just *might* need to copy the libqt.so.3 found on the Hancom CD-rom, to your /usr/lib/. If you already have QT 3 installed (not the multithreaded version), it will work out of the box.

      And do not forget that in order to run the CrossOver Office plugin you have to have Microsoft Office ANYWAY. And Ms Office is WAY more expensive than Hancom.

    2. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because MS Office costs in the hundreds of dollars in addition to the crossover application that allows you to run it?

      If you don't have office installed already on a windows partition, this could be a useful application.

      Of course, if you don't have an office suite installed, then you most likely don't need an office suite, or OpenOffice will suit you fine anyway!

    3. Re:Does it worth it's price? by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2

      On the other side - CrossOver Office costs $54.95, and it's running your own copy of Office 97 & 2000. Now - could someone explain to me why would I need to buy Hancom Office?

      Errr, ummm... maybe because I don't own a copy of MS Office 97 or 2000???

    4. Re:Does it worth it's price? by joestar · · Score: 2

      Also you can now get the Mandrake 8.2 Powerpack CDs with full StarOffice 6.0 here for $65 (shipping included). StarOffice 6.0 is really *great* for import/export of MS files and font rendering. And it's a bit lighter than StarOffice 5.2.

    5. Re:Does it worth it's price? by HeUnique · · Score: 1, Troll

      Come on...

      Lets face it - check almost any Windows user - and you'll find the 2nd most installed application on his/her windows after windows itself - is office. Whether he/she buys it or warez it, or copied from work, or loaned from a friend. Lets be real here - I know it, you know it, MS knows it pretty well...

      Also - when you buy a Dell, HP, Gateway, Compaq - 90% chances is that if you bought it with Windows installed - then you got office also in a special pricing deal with the machines - go check some OEM deals how Microsoft "encourage" OEMs to sell Windows+office aggressively.

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      Hetz (Heunique)
    6. Re:Does it worth it's price? by HeUnique · · Score: 2

      Want to read Office EULA (End User License Agreement) again?

      You can install office on 2 machines - AS LONG as only one of the copies is running at the same time.

      Which means in simple language - you can have your office installation on your windows partition AND on your linux partition - since only 1 of them is running at any given time - you're clear.

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      Hetz (Heunique)
    7. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >2 copies of office..

      This does not apply for Office XP.

    8. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      A.D. 2002
      Hancom was beginning

      HeUnique: Does it worth it's price ?
      AC: What you say ??

      You know the rest...

    9. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which doesn't run inside of cxoffice anyway.

    10. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Want to read Office EULA (End User License Agreement) again?


      Again? You mean that come people actually read these things??

      Weird...
    11. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, Most brand name computers intended for home use come with Microsoft Works (an even more pathetic word processor than ed).

      When you pay the many extra $$$ for the equivalent business machine its almost all going towards the software.

    12. Re:Does it worth it's price? by mjgday · · Score: 2, Funny

      > FYI, Most brand name computers intended for home use come with Microsoft Works (an even more pathetic word processor than ed).

      I agree that works is pathetic... but ed!

      no ed is a very good wordprocessor... I prefer using the visual interface to it, but...

      Hand hack .ps files in ed, you know it makes sense

      M

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    13. Re:Does it worth it's price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God dammit, that about made me crap my pants. I appreciate the mod to 1, but that's gotta be upped to a 2.

  30. Fuck the gooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    yeah

  31. No! by autechre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "...almost any Windows user...a Dell, HP, Gateway, Compaq...90% chance..."

    To mangle a metaphor, what does this have to do with the price of dried plums in Korea?

    I am not "almost any Windows user"; in fact, I'm not a Windows user at all, except for a few rare instances where I have to use one of the university machines to get around truly horrible Windows-isms in some important (for 2 seconds) Web sites.

    I didn't buy my computer, unless you count the fact that the floppy drive came with the 486 SX-22 that my parents bought years and years ago. I guess I still have a valid license for Windows 3.1 and Microsoft Works.

    I'm not "90%", I'm a Linux user. I don't steal commercial software, and I don't want to buy Microsoft Office...not even from UMBC for $20. I don't want to run emulated software; I want a Linux office program that does what I need.

    The ironic bit is that I agree with you; this doesn't look to be worth the price. OpenOffice does everything I need, apparently better than this, and it's free (in both ways). Why would I buy this?

    That said, it's good to see people trying, though it would also be nice to see them work to improve existing implementations (this is all mentioned above by other people). Someone else above mentioned the Korean car industry, and this ties in with what I've been saying about Asia: this is where the "revolution" will occur. People who can't afford Micrsoft prices, or don't want to give that much money to (or trust) a shady United States company. There are LOTS of people in Asian countries, and most of them aren't nearly as firmly stuck in the land of Microsoft and consumer culture as the majority in the U.S.

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  32. I like it by stanley_caiww · · Score: 1

    It seems good from the screenshot. If the import/export is as good as hancom described. I don't care the price.

  33. WAFFLES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Hi there. Today, I want to talk about a subject near and dear to all of our hearts.

    WAFFLES.

    There are many types of waffles. Some are belgian, some are fruity, some come from Waffle House and taste like baked shit. Some have sugar in them, but it's rumored that this is a European Communist Plot to make everybody fat. Some are "Eggos", which you are supposed to "Leggo". Some are cheap and generic, others cost upwards of a thousand dollars for a single helping. There are those you eat plain, and others go better with toppings, such as powdered sugar and Maple Syrup.

    My favorite type of waffle is Belgian with fruit and stuff on top. Now that's a fucking good waffle. But there are other options... in fact, there's something for everyone!

    Yes, waffles. A timeless American tradition.

    WA-WA-WA-WAFFLES, EAT ONE TODAY!

    This has been a presentation of the National Waffle Council.

  34. Asian WP for OS X by saihung · · Score: 1

    Hopefully this will offer better results with Asian language word processing in OS X. Appleworks looks fine on screen, but refuses to print Chinese properly and has problems understanding cut and paste in Chinese. Office X allows you to write and print in Chinese just fine, but ONLY after running a conversion app that causes many of your menus to mutate into Japanese.

    1. Re:Asian WP for OS X by christfokkar · · Score: 1

      Appleworks looks fine on screen, but refuses to print Chinese properly and has problems understanding cut and paste in Chinese.

      I have trouble understanding Appleworks, what makes you think the Chinese are any better at it?

  35. And the obvious question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does it have a spell checker? The previous version of Word did not, and it's silly to expect people to pay $$$$ for such a thing.

  36. WARNING, ABOVE IS LINK TO PICS OF GUY GETTING KILL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They blow his brains out all over the concrete

  37. DEATH to all racists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, I'm one of that fu*king Korean and really hate such boneheaded racists like you. If we could bring all of them to some isolated island and nuke it to the ground, it'll be the most beneficial contribution to the world peace.

  38. Must include... by macdaddy · · Score: 2

    ...spamming software too. How else will the propogate the good will of people like Alan Ralsky and Empire Towers?

  39. Wine? by bluetoad · · Score: 1

    Does this thing run under Wine? I think it was demo'd at Linux World as a Wine application.

  40. not quite there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    afaik it doesn't even have interoperability between it's own apps, so embeding a table from the spreadsheet into a text is a no go.

    guess i'll stick to openoffice

  41. zaurus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, i didn't read the review yet, but my Zaurus came with a version of Hancom including word, the spreadsheet, and the powerpoint presenter. I can't say anything about the desktop version, but the handheld one is the best solution i have ever seen for a pda.