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Charmed Announces Crusoe-based Linux Wearable

isdale writes: "Charmed Technology, founded by MIT Media Lab graduates, announced what it claims is the fastest available wearable computer -- 800Mhz Crusoe TM5800 processor. The CharmedIT comes standard with a 266 Mhz Pentium MMX for about $2k. The Crusoe upgrade costs another $500. The OS is extra ($250 for RedHat or Debian), as is the display, input device, carrying case, battery, charger, usable application ... if that isn't enough options, you can also get a DIY kit."

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  1. Prices please? by Rampant+Atrocity · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Crusoe upgrade costs another $500. The OS is extra ($250 for RedHat or Debian)

    *cough* *sputter*

    1. Re:Prices please? by 56ker · · Score: 2

      I wonder how (thinking of the market this is aimed at) they think they can get away with prices like that!

    2. Re:Prices please? by 56ker · · Score: 2

      The only thing similar I remember was when I bought a harddrive by credit card over the phone they wanted me to pay an extra £6 for the OS to be installed on it.

    3. Re:Prices please? by tenman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Note: I reply here because I looked down the threads, and there are no real answers to the "who would buy this" questions

      Before you go any further, realize that this device is built for commercial applications. This is for a nurse that needs to know who and where all of her critical care beds are. This is for the contruction worker that is out on side, and can look at the land and see a 3D outline of the building and can punch the earth in the right spots. Devices like this could even be good for museums who want to give ppl an interactive tour.

      The only people who would buy a box like this are the people who can use these boxes to make (or save) money with them.

      Also note, that in the 70's few really saw the use of having a whole floor of your building dedicated to bulky computer, and almost nobody could afford one.

      Think about this as you read all the I337 H4z0r'z post about "who would buy..."

    4. Re:Prices please? by pb · · Score: 2

      So? Install it yourself, then.

      People are willing to pay for convenience, but maybe not that much. :)

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    5. Re:Prices please? by tftp · · Score: 3, Informative
      Adding to tenman's comment above. They are competing with Xybernaut - who charges even more obscene prices for the very similar hardware. Indeed, this is a wearable commercial market, not geek's market. Any geek can make very similar wearable from any PDA, like Zaurus.

      Strength of this offering is in industrial grade ruggedness, modularity and completeness - businesses are not likely to buy a one-of-a-kind wearable from a geek next door; they want volume, reliability, FCC, CE and UL approvals, repairs and support, and much more - something that only a stable business can offer.

    6. Re:Prices please? by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      I wonder how (thinking of the market this is aimed at) they think they can get away with prices like that!

      The market they're aimed at (research groups, expensive production facilities in corporations, potentially military and healthcare) are all used to paying this kind of money.

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    7. Re:Prices please? by john82 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope.

      For every use you propose, there are already better and much cheaper solutions.
      ex 1: PocketPC with wireless
      ex 2: It's called a blueprint
      ex 3: tape, MD, DVD, wireless-enabled PDA. Take your pick.

      This is an interesting idea, but at this price schedule it's going nowhere. In the same field, do you really expect this to compete with Xybernaut? They've got a head start and still aren't doing that great.

    8. Re:Prices please? by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2
      Well, I highly doubt Charmed's mods are in any distro, especially Redhat and Debian.

      Ah, but if they are selling an OS licensed under GPL, wouldn't they be REQUIRED to provide the source, whether they made modifications or not? Do I misunderstand?

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  2. Hey kids.... by Ooblek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Be the first kid on your block to blow $2500 on this ultra cool wearable PC! Not only will you really look like a geek, but everyone will know who to talk to for some extra gas and grocery money! For an additional $15k, you can get the Honda walking robot docking station and play Ultraman with your friends in your front yard. (Turbo Jet and wing kit for robot sold seperately.)

    1. Re:Hey kids.... by l810c · · Score: 2, Funny
      Who knows what fourth-graders will do to the modern-nerd.

      Hold him down and upload a virus?

  3. Reminder of Osbourne by standards · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For some reason, this very much reminds me of the old Osborne "portable" computer.

    At the time, it was pretty darn cool. But soon we laughed hard at the people who bought one.

    See Osborne History

  4. Finally. by Soko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's an OEM that shows the true cost of Windows 2000. Directly beneath the RedHat price is the price of Windows 2000 pre-loaded - $450, which means it's $200 more.

    This is likely an off-the-shelf, non OEM price (since our Redmond frinds aren't too kind to PC makers who don't feature thier OS exclusively)

    Nice to see.

    Soko

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  5. Charmed? by Nathdot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Charmed Announces Crusoe-based Linux Wearable???

    I liked the episode last season better, where the three sisters fought the Gnu Debian C# compiler.

    :)

  6. Why not.... by pennsol · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Put one of these http://www.theregus.com/content/54/24709.html in your pocket i'm sure it will run your favorite flavor of *nix and it's half the price..with the docking station...

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  7. Why do this..? by zeno_2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From what I can see this is a company that is just starting up. This thing that they are selling, in my opinion, is pretty overpriced. With the money that it took to buy all the accessories, you could probably make yourself for cheaper. I hope they do well, but I don't see the masses of people buying any of those, let along a single person.

    I would do something like this:

    Make a wearable computer for lets say.. people that stock large amounts of stuff in warehouses. Would be pretty handy to have the full inventory at the press of a button, without having to look away. Make a few of these units, approach some large company who have a lot of these workers, and see if you can get a few of them to use it for a few days to see if its useful. It probably will, or they didn't make it right. Do this to a few different companies/different markets, and you have quite a base of users out there, and you then market it to the public, using the above examples of how good it works.

    I read thru their website a bit, didn't really see much of any of that going on. Like I said, I hope they do well, but I don't think they are doing it right if they want it to take off..

  8. Re:mit gets it right by notsoanonymouscoward · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't characterize them as idiots... just perhaps a bit un innovative. Yes I know thats a horrible thing for lil old me to say about a bunch of seemingly amazing MIT grads. But ya know, they're still using some backwards ass stuff. Wheres the new gear? Wheres the new applications?! Show me the killer apps that these wearables would use. Show me something thats changed in the last few years other than adding a new cpu option. And what about this nanix stuff? Where is it? I couldn't find any place to download it. Everyone seems to know about the blurb... so where is it? So often it seems like people start drifting off into their own little world, and fail to see where things are going and fail to remember that innovation is the key. Especially when it comes to technology, if you stop, you're a market has been.

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  9. Re:$6,870?!?!?! No way in hell... by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2

    $875 for the TM5800 (I'm not going back to a 266 mhz processor and I'd like to be able to listen to my MP3s with this thing)

    266 mhz is more than adequate for MP3s. I used to have a Libretto 50 with a P75 that did a perfectly good job using mpg123.

  10. This is open hardware! by jpatokal · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm seeing a lot of griping here about how they dare to charge $250 for installing Linux and how the entire system is overpriced -- well hey, build your own then. The hardware design is open source and available right here, and the full list of commercial components used to build the kit is available here.

    Also, the $6000 price tag is not particularly unreasonable for a commercial wearable computer, eg. Xybernaut's stuff isn't much cheaper. Last year I had the job of purchasing a wearable for our lab -- we almost went with the earlier model of CharmIT, but in the end decided that we needed a bit more power and expandability, so we rolled our own. Had the Crusoe version existed then, we quite probably would have chosen it.

    Cheers,
    -j.

    1. Re:This is open hardware! by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

      I wonder how much more useful a 266mhz Pentium wearable would be than a Sharp Zaurus hacked to use a head-mounted display, like a Sony glasstron. I played with a Zaurus the other day, and noted that it had both SD and CF slots. Sandisk 512 MB CF is $329.99 direct, and I know of few linux apps that won't run in 128MB RAM and 512MB disk.

      Given the power of today's handhelds, I think the wearables makers might just have to lower their prices.

    2. Re:This is open hardware! by jpatokal · · Score: 2
      I wonder how much more useful a 266mhz Pentium wearable would be than a Sharp Zaurus hacked to use a head-mounted display, like a Sony glasstron. I played with a Zaurus the other day, and noted that it had both SD and CF slots. Sandisk 512 MB CF is $329.99 direct, and I know of few linux apps that won't run in 128MB RAM and 512MB disk.

      A good question, but just how are you going to "hack" a Zaurus to use a head-mounted display, or any kind of wearable-friendly input? The sort of miniaturization used in the Zaurus needs big factory runs to be profitable, and the market for wearables remains tiny. In addition, VGA-quality head-mounted displays are expensive, the basic Glasstron is next to useless because of its poor resolution and NTSC-only input. (Yes, there was a PC Glasstron as well, but it was terribly bulky and expensive, and it's been discontinued anyway.)

      Also, instead of forking out big bucks for huge chunks of solid memory, IBM's CompactFlash Microdrives are a much more affordable solution -- you can get as much as an gig's storage with one.

      Cheers,
      -j.

    3. Re:This is open hardware! by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

      I spent some more time thinking this through, and I believe I'll argue both points.

      For a wearable application one would want as few moving parts as possible, low power consumption, and low heat output. I believe solid state CF wins on all counts. In fact, the Sandisk product was actually so tempting to me that I bought a 512 MB CF card this afternoon, albeit for a camera and not for a PDA.

      As for the display, the Zaurus does quite well with 240*320, which should work with Sony's cheap ($500) Video Glasstron. (resolution of 800x255) Other head mounted displays at the exact resolution of 320*240 exist. Information is available from Steve Mann. (the Canadian cyborg guy in the news lately.)

      I think I'll start playing with this at work. It's not too far off my remit. All I have to do is find a problem to solve that needs a wearable solution. :-)

  11. remembrance agent; augmented reality by esnible · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I saw Thad Starner demonstrate a Charmed prototype last year.

    I really want one. When the color display becomes affordable I'll buy one.

    What makes a wearable computer different from a palm or laptop computer is that you don't have to look away from the real world to see the display. The display appears to float within the real world. Wearable computers have long battery life and keyboards that allow you to type at near full speed while walking.

    If you only use your wearable computer to run regular programs or play music it isn't worth the extra money. The only benefit is an extra half hour to do email as you walk to your office.

    The target audience for the Charmed kit is people working on wearable-only applications, like the "remembrance agent" or "augmented reality."

  12. Re:mit gets it right by TheSync · · Score: 2

    Wearable Rememberance Agent may be the "killer app".

  13. Favorite Line of Copy by Computer! · · Score: 2

    Plano eyeglasses (for use if you do not wear eyeglasses),

    Now that's knowing your audience.

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