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Linux "is not piracy" Says Microsoft Lawyer

dipfan writes "Further to this Slashdot piece on the activities of the Business Software Alliance, the BBC reports on a European conference on piracy organised by the BSA. The good news is even Microsoft distinguishes between open source software and piracy; it quotes Microsoft's top in-house lawyer Brad Smith as saying: 'Linux is a way of developing software whereas piracy is copying.' The rest of the article is the usual panic-attack about the size of software piracy in general, and how this is holding back the software industry in Eastern Europe, according to Brad. Although the article notes the irony that despite all the piracy, software sales are forecast to grow from $50 billion in 2000 to about $90 billion by 2005."

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  1. First Post? by SqueakRu · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    esp

  2. First post... by OgdEnigmaX · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    First post? I revel in the possible primacy of this post. Wheee!

  3. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    first post

  4. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why does this have a score of 2? The trolls must be moderating today.

  5. What happened to real news? by Mulletproof · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What is it with all the "duh" articals involving MS and why are they even being posted? Yes, it's no surprise Gates lied and we know Linux isn't Piracy. Would any more Slash editors like to post the obvious? "MS admits to using point and click interface!" Mod me down, bay-bee!

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  6. Well... by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    It may not be piracy, but it sure stole my heart.

    aawwwwww...

  7. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I was going to say...

    the sky is blue

    water is wet

    bill gates is satan

    but you beat me to it

  8. eh? by Danse · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    The Jews and Christians don't because their god is the biggest, not the only.

    Show me one place where Christians or Jews acknowledge the possible existance of any god but their own.

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  9. Gotta Love It by 4of12 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    That backhanded clarification is just what I needed!

    "There is no truth to the rumours that Slashdot editors were denying that they were visited by authorities during a recent crackdown on child pornography on the internet."

    Probably we can expect further helpful educational tidbits that properly conform to Political Advertisement 101 Guidelines for drive by association with bad company.

    [Watch me go!]

    "The misguided expenditure of taxpayer money to persecute an American success story has nothing whatsoever to do with the purchasing power of special interests such as Sun Microsystems, Oracle and AOL/TW that are envious of Microsoft's leadership position."
    I think I left out Terrorism® and Working Families®, but otherwise it's pretty easy to write crap like this.
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  10. Re:Linux ok. MS-OS free machines not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Jews, Christians, Muslims, and members of Baha'i Faith all worship the same god--the god of Abraham.

    Also, Muslims have historically been much more peaceful than Christians: who took the Jews into their homes during the inquisitions and Crusades?

  11. stick after stick shoved right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It was an official Looking email alright, It said I could win a home entertainment system! I minimized the Email and went to I won and sure enough they ahd a contest for the exact same entertainment system, But Why.. Why, I thought, Would they send me this email stateing If I register I could win, I mean, I was already a member and they knew that! I went back to The Origonal Email, It had a Link, " Click here to enter" I held My Cursor over it and The string Had a Bunch of Nubers in it, / Iwon/ Contest and Other varoius symbols, It had no where in it, My Id, I went ahead and clicked it to see what would happen, To see If Norton Would pick it up, It was'nt a Virus, It was'nt a link to a virus either, It was a sign On screen, Had a place for my I won Name and password, Check this Out, My name Is Not My Screen name, Or any part, But, In the Name Box It said My screen name for aol.

    I Typed In a false Name, I typed in a fals password, Guess what happened? YUP! It went straight to an I won Looking page and Told Me
    congratulations I was entered!

    Do You see where this is sooooo Freaking easy? See How they do it? If I had typed in my Id Name and password, and It was the ONE, And I stress
    ONE, That I used for everything, well, They could Just try'em all. They Might Take a few hours But They would eventually get a hit and then what?

    Yup! They would max It out immeadiatly and get all they could. I would veture to say that about 50% Of AOL and Other Internet account holders use The ONE Password for everything Deal to make it simple for them to rememeber, I bet ya It's More than 50% But If It were 50%, The hackers
    would have it easy for a very long time, They could make thousands Daily.

    This Is soooo Messed up It's Unbelieveable, It's hard To believe that this kind of fraud is going on unpunished. The Traceability Is there But Nobody is folowing through with it, You can turn people in all day long, It does'nt help. They are getting Rich and we are Getting Stick after Stick Shoved right in our ass.

    I am Just About To give up myself, I want to get out and go back to the way Life used to be Before I ever knew how to turn one of these damn things on. Make one last Deal on Ebay and sell off my system, Yup! Money Orders Only! Bajajjaaaaaa LOL

    Take Care And watch your back cause those bad Guys are'nt just gaining on you dude, They are Right there in you stuff just waiting to get another nickle out of your pocket.

  12. Dear sir, by Thud457 · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I would like to make the following clarifications:
    1. The fact that September 11 maps to "911" illustrates the superiority of the US date scheme in comparison to all other schemes used worldwide, particularly those involving pebbles and knotted cords.
    2. Trolling is so September 10th. Can't we all just get along?


    Thank you for your attention.
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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  13. Oh relax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Next time you're in town, I'll take you out for a burger. That will make you feel better.

  14. Re:Your Mother by spectecjr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    *grins* exactly - it's all about respect of other people.

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  15. Re:Linux ok. MS-OS free machines not by mpe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    (since nobody ever understands what I'm referring to, this thing would have been over years ago if the Israelis knew how to manipulate world opinion like the other countries in the Middle East.

    Israel concentrates on manipulating the opinion of one country, the USA.

    And Muslims have a long history of destroying everyone else's holy places when they occupy a new land, because their god is the ONLY god. The Jews and Christians don't because their god is the biggest, not the only.)

    Rather ignoring the point that the god worshiped by Jewdeism, Christianity and Islam is the same god.
    Which is part of the problem with the city of Jerusalum.

  16. Re:Your Mother by ogar572 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now thats one way to look at it.

  17. Re:New Acronym? by ocie · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Or Woesome.

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  18. Re:One History flaw by jlt116 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    > Americans are descended from us "Euro trash" Um... there are *some* americans who have no european ancestry. Try thinking before you type.

  19. Re:History of the World Part I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    No and No

    You're thinking Monty Python, not mel brooks.

  20. Re:Your Mother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Since you have AIDS from too many homosexual unions your analogy fails for two reasons:

    1) You probably could not get aroused by a woman
    2) You might give the poor woman aids

  21. It depends on what you mean by "god" by CustomDesigned · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Christians and Jews believe in only one self-existent God. However, there are many created gods - both good and evil.

    Evil gods include creations of human imagination (idols) - or creations of God who have rebelled (Satan "the god of this world", demons).

    Good gods are subordinate to God. They include morally good creations of human imagination, Angels, and even Human Beings ("Ye are gods"). The difference with respect to New Age, is that New Age denies the existence of one Sovereign self-existent God.

    As gods made in the image of God, Human beings have the power to create - Tolkein's world, computer simulated worlds. Our creations are not on the same level as the created universe we live in, but they inherit the moral qualities of their creators - for good or evil.

  22. Re:News To Me - LETS EAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    STANLEY DEAN BAKER
    "And who the fuck takes a human finger along to chew on?"
    At three o'clock on the afternoon of Saturday, 11 july 1970, a man out fishing on the banks of the Yellowstone River in Montana snagged a human body at the end of his line. He drove in shock to the nearest ranch to telephone the police, and Deputy Bigelow, who was, stationed at the entrance to Yellowstone National Park responded to the call.

    With the aid of some local men, the deputy waded into the turbulent river and dragged the body to shore. Although accustomed to routine drowning cases, Bigelow knew immediately that this was murder. The head was missing.

    Bigelow called Sheriff Don Guitoni, who drove Coroner Davis to the scene. All three men crouched over the body, which was clad only in shorts. It was that of a male. Apart from the missing head, the arms had also been severed at the shoulders and the legs chopped off at the knees. The abdomen and chest were covered with stab wounds, with a particularly large ugly hole in the chest.

    The coroner looked shocked when he concluded his examination. 'I never saw anything like it,' he said grimly. 'The poor fellow's been stabbed about twenty-five times and I figure he's been in the water about a day ... He was a young fellow, probably in his early twenties.' He paused. 'There's one other thing,' he said. 'The heart is missing!' The chest had been cut open and the heart removed.

    For the sheriff it was a major headache. All normal means of identifying the body - the head and hands had been deliberately removed. But why the gratuitous butchery of the rest of the body? Why cut off the legs? Why remove the heart?

    The only thing it suggested was that it was some form of cult murder. There had been a rash of them recently, all connected with secret groups of devil-worshippers. The Sharon Tate case had grabbed the headlines, but similar bizarre killings were going on all over the USA.

    The torso was taken by ambulance to the morgue in Livingston for a proper autopsy to be carried out, while police teletyped details of the victim to Wyoming and other neighbouring states. It was impossible to tell where the body had been dumped in the river, and the Yellow stone passed through Wyoming before entering Montana and the National Park. Although police searched the river and its banks for many miles, no traces of the missing limbs were found.

    The results of the autopsy indicated that the victim had been stabbed twenty-seven times with a sharp-pointed blade of at least five inches in length. The removal of the head and limbs had been crudely performed, possibly with the knife used to inflict the stab wounds. The victim was in his early twenties and had been dead for twenty-four hours when found. Police had to wait until someone was reported missing.

    On the Monday morning a teletype message came chattering into the sheriff's office in Livingston, concerning a missing person who resembled the description of the torso. James Michael Schlosser, aged twenty-two, had been reported missing from the town of Roundup, a hundred miles away, that same morning.

    He had set out on the Friday to drive to Yellowstone Park in his Opel Kadett sports car, but had not turned up for work on the Monday. When his office colleagues got in touch with his landlady, they discovered that the popular young social worker had not returned home.

    Schlosser was described as being six feet tall and weighing two hundred pounds. The age, height and weight fitted the torso. Sheriff Guitoni put out an alert for sightings of his Opel Kadett car, which might have been dumped in the area. It was a 1969 vehicle, yellow, with black racing stripes.

    An hour later that same car was, in a collision with a pick-up truck on a dirt road in Monterey County, California, just a few miles from the Pacific Ocean. The car had been travelling at speed on the wrong side of the road. The truck suffered only a dented bumper, but the car was a write-off. The driver of the truck was a businessman from Detroit on holiday. He got out of his truck and approached the car, from which two large young men were emerging. Both men were typical Californian hippies, with long hair and beards.

    One was blond, the other dark. The blond man was about six feet tall and very powerfully built, with shoulder-length golden hair. He wore a leather waistcoat and bell-bottom trousers, topped with an Army fatigue jacket. His companion wore cowboy boots and a green Army field jacket. The businessman might have expected trouble, but the hippies were friendly.

    The businessman wanted to exchange driver's licences, but neither happy had one, so he took the registration number of their vehicle and suggested he should drive them both to the nearest telephone so the police could be notified of the accident. Both hippies shrugged and got into his truck. But when he drove into a service station in the town of Lucia, both men got out and ran away into nearby woods.

    The businessman phoned the police and told them about the incident, giving the registration number of the other vehicle. It was that of the car belonging to the missing Schlosser, and the California Highway Patrol were alerted to keep an eye out for two hippies, wanted in connection with a homicide.

    Patrolman Randy Newton was out cruising the Pacific Coast Highway when he got the call over his radio, and he turned off into a dirt side-road, figuring that the two fugitives could not have got far.

    He came upon the suspects walking along the road just two miles out of Lucia, trying to hitch a lift. The two men had no identification, but readily admitted having been the two men in the Opel Kadett involved in the accident. Newton arrested both men and radioed for assistance. When fellow officers arrived, the two suspects were handcuffed and advised of their rights.

    But the blond man seemed anxious to talk, positively eager, even. Identifying himself as Stanley Dean Baker, aged twenty-three, and his companion as Harry Allen Stroup, aged twenty, Baker said they were both from Sheridan, Wyoming, and had been travelling together since 5 June, hitching lifts when they could.

    The prisoners were searched, and in Baker's pockets police found small lengths of bone. Officer Newton studied them curiously and asked Baker what they were.

    Baker blurted out: 'They ain't chicken bones. They're human fingers.' Then he added, memorably and in typically American phraseology: 'I have a problem. I'm a cannibal.

    Both men were taken to the police station in Monterey, Baker continuing to talk in the patrol car about his compulsion to eat human flesh. He claimed to have developed a taste for it after having electric shock treatment for a nervous disorder when he was seventeen, and referred to himself as 'Jesus'.

    At the police station Detective Dempsey Biley took over the questioning. Baker almost boasted of how he had killed the owner of the Opel Kadett, saying Stroup had not been with him at the time. He and Stroup had split up when they reached Big Timber, a few miles from Livingston, because Baker had managed to hitch a ride with James Schlosser.

    When Schlosser had said he was going to the Yellowstone Park for the weekend, Baker had asked to go along, and the two men had set up camp for the night close to the Yellowstone River.

    In the middle of the night Baker had crept over to his sleeping companion and shot him twice in the head with a .22 pistol he habitually carried. Then he had cut up the body into six parts, removing the head, arms and legs. When asked what he had done with the dead man's heart, Baker replied: 'I ate it. Raw.'

    He explained that he had cut off the dead man's fingers to have something to chew on, and dumped the remainder of the body in the river, along with the pistol, before driving off in his victim's car.

    Later he had met up with Harry Stroup along the road and offered him a lift. He insisted that Stroup had not been involved in the murder.

    Both men were searched thoroughly and among Baker's possessions was a recipe for LSD and a paperback book called The Satanic Bible, which was a handbook of devil-worship with instructions on how to conduct a black mass.

    Baker described the location of the camp where he had killed Schlosser, and when police officers located it and searched it, they found evidence that murder had indeed taken place at that spot. The earth was splattered with dried blood and a bloodstained hunting knife was found. There was also the usual debris which accompanies any such murder: human bone fragments, teeth, skin and a severed human ear.

    The pair were taken before a judge in California and waived extradition. Subsequently they were flown back to Montana, where they were arraigned before District Judge Jack Shamstrom on 27 July. The pair were remanded in Park County jail, but on 4 August Judge Shamstrom approved a motion that Baker be sent to Warm Springs State Hospital for psychiatric evaluation. Harry Stroup had remained silent throughout, apparently guilty of nothing more than having befriended a homicidal maniac and devil-worshipper. Those short lengths of bone found on Baker were sent to a pathologist for examination and proved to be bones from a human right index finger.

    No motive for the crime was claimed by the prosecution, apart from the cannibal aspect: the lust for human flesh. But as we have seen from an examination of man-eating tribes in New Guinea and elsewhere, the eating of a slain foe symbolizes total conquest and total contempt' for the victim, who is digested and then excreted.

    It may be that Baker, the non-conforming hippy with no job, viewed the young Schlosser, a college graduate with a sports car, horn-rimmed glasses and expensive camping equipment, as a respectable 'square' who had prospered within the system; a symbol of everything he could not be and a mirror to his own failure.

    In that case envy would be the motive, a 'have-not' who saw himself as a social reject, lashing out violently at a respectable member of society - with the same blind ferocity as a snake striking at a stick.

    This whole story is taken from Cannibalism: The Last Taboo, by Brian Marriner (Arrow Books, London, 1992)

    MY OPINION

    I just had to add Stanley Dean Baker to this site. He was one guy that really got me interested in Murder. I mean, how could you not get into this guys story?
    And who the fuck takes a finger along to chew on?Completely bizarre guy, and one that well and truly deserves a spot at The Wacky World of Murder.

  23. Re:"Free Beer" == "Theft"? by Methuseus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Even if I mainly use a windows box, I still think your sig is one of the more intelligent ones.

    Yes, yes, offtopic, but also deeply nested, so I'm not too worried.

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