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Nebula Award Winners

jbennetto writes: "The Nebulas are out! The winning novel is A Quantum Rose, a SF/Romance backwater-standalone in a series of six books about an interstellar conflict between human empires. The author, Catherine Asaro, is a physicist. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon won best script, and Jack Williamson, Kelly Link, and Severna Park won the short fiction catagories."

128 comments

  1. Little things by GraZZ · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was looking at a Nebula last night, unfortunatly the Quantum Roses were too small to see (and whenever I tried looking for them, this punk Heisenberg told me I wouldn't be able to find them....)

    I didn't even bother looking for the Hidden Dragon.

    Karma, karma, everywhere, so let's all have a drink!

    1. Re:Little things by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Perhaps you should create an observation report!

      Not my site, but pretty good reading, hit reload a couple times. 8)

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    2. Re:Little things by 56ker · · Score: 2

      What on earth is a "Quantum Rose" - or is it the title of a book?

    3. Re:Little things by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Silly me - just re-read things and its actually mentioned in the headline!

    4. Re:Little things by GraZZ · · Score: 1

      WACK!

      You have been hit with the CLUE STICK $$$

      Karma, karma, everywhere, so lets all have a drink!

  2. 6th novel in a series? by rks404 · · Score: 1

    A quick check on Amazon reveals that this book is the sixth in a series. Does this book stand on its own or does it require reading the earlier books?

    1. Re:6th novel in a series? by Schwamm · · Score: 1

      And I quote

      The winning novel is A Quantum Rose, a SF/Romance backwater-standalone in a series of six books about an interstellar conflict between human empires.

      emphasis mine.

    2. Re:6th novel in a series? by b0r0din · · Score: 1

      Is it just me or does the cover art look like a tacky romance novel? I'm not going to argue the quality of the book without reading it, but...ick, it looks worse than the cover art from Randland (except first book, TEOTW had pretty cool-looking cover art)

    3. Re:6th novel in a series? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a tacky picture....most of the cover art on Ms. Asaro's books are tacky. Fortunately the writing is first rate. She's a physicist who likes writing sci-fi romance. It's kind of weird....never read anything else quite like this series. At times it's like reading a Harlequin book and at others it is like reading Hammer's Slammers by David Drake. :)

  3. Re:hey now by pokeyburro · · Score: 2, Funny

    That award actually went to Bill Gates during his apologetic testimony in the anti-trust case.

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  4. Crouching Tiger? by martyn+s · · Score: 1, Troll

    Since when is crouching tiger, hidden dragon science fiction?

    1. Re:Crouching Tiger? by prizzznecious · · Score: 1

      Maybe when people started flying and walking on bamboo shoots?

      Etc?

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    2. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Carp+Flounderson · · Score: 0

      I guess that would make Winne the Pooh Science Fiction as well? There IS a difference between fiction and SCIENCE fiction.

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    3. Re:Crouching Tiger? by chegosaurus · · Score: 1

      It was hardly a documentary, was it?

    4. Re:Crouching Tiger? by ajrs · · Score: 1

      fantasy, not science fiction. You didn't read the article, did you? :)

    5. Re:Crouching Tiger? by prizzznecious · · Score: 1

      The distinction isn't between fiction and science fiction but science fiction and children's fantasy. The line is crossed when the material exits the scope of infantile whimsy and becomes .. well, unintentionally infantile whimsy.

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    6. Re:Crouching Tiger? by JesseL · · Score: 2

      Doesn't that depend on whether the extraordinary phenomena (flying and walking on bamboo shoots) are explained by supernatural or technological forces?

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    7. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Carp+Flounderson · · Score: 0

      Also... Bill Cosby's pudding pop commercials are science fiction too since no REAL human would enjoy pudding that much.

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    8. Re:Crouching Tiger? by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      Maybe that would be science fiction, if the use of technology allowed them to do that. Otherwise, it's fantasy.

    9. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when did Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon have a script?

    10. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a SFWAn (i.e., a member of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America) I'll answer this:

      SFWA, the organization which awards the Nebulas (and does lots of other stuff as well -- check out the Web site) is an organization for writers of both science fiction and fantasy, as the name implies. And yes, it was originally the Science Fiction Writers of America -- and then, briefly, SFFWA, the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, before we decided that changing a well-known acronym like SFWA (prounounced "sif-wa") was pointless, and held a vote to make the acronym SFWA regradless of what the actual name was -- and yes, the Nebulas have generally been dominated by science fiction at the expense of fantasy, but a) fantasy has gained a lot of ground over the last couple of decades, both critically and commercially, and it would be silly to ignore that, and b) the dramatic Nebulas (when we've awarded them -- we haven't always) have generally been a bit broader-based that the literary Nebulas, in recognition of the fact that Hollywood often turns out some really good SF/F while avoiding those labels for marketing reasons.

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    11. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Nehemiah+S. · · Score: 2

      Out of curiousity, why were there only 4 films nominated? There were at least a half dozen good SF films last year that didn't even make the preliminary ballot. Seems silly to have 18 novels on prelim, narrowed to 7 on the final ballot, and 10 novellas narrowed to 5, etc, and have 4 of 4 preliminary scripts make it to the final ballot (two of which require a very broad definition of SF).

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    12. Re:Crouching Tiger? by unitron · · Score: 2
      "...since no REAL human would enjoy pudding that much."

      The fiction part is that the reaction is what you would only get in real life to real, cooked slowly on the top of the stove, constantly stirring, made from scratch, using only the best of ingredients, pudding.

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    13. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Uncommon+Troll · · Score: 0

      I guess it can be considered science fiction. Hell, the scifi channel is running some late night conman who is fleecing the masses claiming he can talk to the dead. If that crap can be called scifi I guess anything can.

      *sigh* a fool and his money...

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    14. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      To make the preliminary ballot, any work (literary or dramatic) needs to be nominated by at least ten active members of SFWA within a year of its release date. A lot of very good stuff is nominated by fewer than ten members and thus doesn't make the prelims. (Most of what I've nominated over the last few years made it to eight or nine nominations and then missed the cut by a vote or two ... sigh.) Then what makes it from the prelim to the final ballot is determined by a vote of the membership, and of course the winner is determined from the final ballot by another organization-wide (active members only) vote. It's not a perfect system, but it works.

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    15. Re:Crouching Tiger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wow, great post -- and I think I overdosed on your hyphenated writing style -- and are you sure you're a writer -- I'm not so sure? :-)

      As my prof used to say, "don't use hyphens as an excuse for run-on sentences."

    16. Re:Crouching Tiger? by jstefanov · · Score: 1

      Let the fantasy writers have their own fscking award and leave the Nebulas alone. Any half-ass hack can write most of the fantasy crud out there today, but it takes some intelligence to write SF (no...not fsking SciFi...blech!). Let's face it. The proportion of fantasy titles that have any literary merit pales in comparison to SF. The only reason either of them are shoved togeather is that they are often a common interest of both authors and readers.

  5. No wonder I didn't read this. by Billy+Bo+Bob · · Score: 1

    Whoa, the cover of the Quantum Rose looks like some cheesy romance novel.

    http://www.sff.net/people/asaro/quantumrose.htp

    Note for romance lovers: Get some taste. Oops, no, I meant it looks like the bad romance novels, as opposed to the, er, good ones.

    1. Re:No wonder I didn't read this. by garyrich · · Score: 2

      Agree - that's a nasty looking cover and I would have walked right by it at the store. Actually looks enjoyable, perhaps a little like Lois Bujold's Vorkosigan books - which are also largely romances

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    2. Re:No wonder I didn't read this. by mvdwege · · Score: 2

      I read the three-part excerpt in Analog last year, and it is definitely worth looking into.

      Yes, it is mostly a romance story, but there's some interesting ideas in there as well, and Asaro has a very nice writing style. She publishes regularly in Analog, and she's fast becoming one of my favourites.

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  6. I'd just like to say.... by mblase · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...that in light of the current climate for authors, musicians, etc. trying to protect their copyrights online to unnecessary extremes, it's very nice to see that two of the five Nebula winners (Novella, "The Ultimate Earth", and Short Story, "The Cure for Everything") are freely available online, along with many of the non-winning nominees as well.

    It's nice to know that professional literature can still be free, even if professional music often can't.

    1. Re:I'd just like to say.... by foobar104 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have nothing personal against mblase. I don't even necessarily disagree with what he/she/whatever said here.

      But I have to just butt in and say that I long for the days before every single story that got posted to Slashdot had one or more highly moderated comments like this one.

      Some people prefer to download music rather than buying CDs. Some people prefer to download movies rather than attending them or buying DVDs. Some people prefer to download books rather than buying them or borrowing them from their local library. There are evidently people out there-- although I don't mean to imply that mblase is one of them-- who believe they're entitled to free music, movies, books, and software.

      I prefer to believe that these people are in the minority. I prefer to think that the vast majority of people out there believe in working for a living. I prefer to think that most people take pride in their hard work, and reject the ethics of entitlement.

      But you wouldn't know it from reading Slashdot. Every damn day we see comments like this one: "It's nice to know that professional literature can still be free."

      How about we rephrase this comment. Will all due respect to mblase, I think what you really meant to say was: It's nice to know that these authors have been so generous and cool to release their stories for free on the Internet. They did not have to do this, but they were cool enough to do it anyway. Everybody go download them, and if you like them, buy the author's book.

    2. Re:I'd just like to say.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ... it's very nice to see that two of the five Nebula winners (Novella, "The Ultimate Earth", and Short Story, "The Cure for Everything") are freely available online, ...

      First chapters only. Compare that to Baen Books, who make many of their books available online, along with some interesting stuff in the prime palaver links to the left of the page.

      There's a big difference between teasers and making the whole book freely available for download (but not redistribution ... a perfectly reasonable condition, I think).

    3. Re:I'd just like to say.... by mblase · · Score: 2

      They did not have to do this, but they were cool enough to do it anyway.

      Actually, I'm pretty sure they did have to -- when they allowed their work to be published in Asimov or the other magazines, they also allowed those magazines to publish their work online.

      It's the magazines that we have to thank for making these stories freely available, then -- not the authors, although they certainly knew it would follow publication.

    4. Re:I'd just like to say.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, some authors are making their books available because it's in their own self interest.

      Thanks are always appropriate, of course.

  7. science fiction? by tps12 · · Score: 3, Funny
    I think we are at the beginning of a great increase in the popularity of science fiction.

    Never before has technology (the lingua franca of sci-fi) played such a role as it currently does, IMO. Meanwhile, the Sci-Fi Channel (could Jules Verne even have imagined such a thing in his wildest fantasies?) is among the fastest-growing cable channels on television, according to ratings.

    I'm thinking, maybe this stuff isn't just for antisocial nerds any more. Perhaps science fiction finally matters.

    It won't be long now before the Nebula awards are as popular, as talked about, as the Emmies or the Clios!

    Any thoughts?

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    1. Re:science fiction? by prizzznecious · · Score: 1

      Lots of people like science fiction. What makes someone a nerd is when they like sci-fi/fantasy better than they like reality.

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    2. Re:science fiction? by Rupert · · Score: 2

      How much of SciFi's increased audience is due to shows like John Edwards? It's "Fi", but it's definitely not "Sci".

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    3. Re:science fiction? by Nehemiah+S. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never before has technology (the lingua franca of sci-fi) played such a role as it currently does, IMO.

      Robert Heinlein wrote an editorial to John Campbell@Astounding/Analog to this effect circa 1956. It's pretty much been the staple belief of SF fans and writers everywhere, for as long as SF has been published -- with the publication of this series/book/etc, SF will be taken seriously. Next year, people will notice us.

      Unfortunately, it hasn't happened, for reasons which probably say more about the people that DON'T take it seriously than it says about anything intrinsic to the genre. There is such an incredible canvas of ideas available to the SF writer, so many ways to interpret or define the human experience that simply are not available to the standard ho-hum fictioneer; I think the general publics ignorance of SF is one of the great tragedies of our age.

      Well, maybe next year.

      Then again, the fact that the SFWA gave tripe like "Crouching Tiger" a major award makes me a bit ashamed to think these things...

      Rev. Neh

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    4. Re:science fiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps science fiction finally matters.

      Hmm.. maybe when technology catches up with the writers'/human imagination. Then sci-fi writers could actually spend their time on creating believable characters and solid story lines.

      Just a random observation.

    5. Re:science fiction? by eyeball · · Score: 2

      I think we are at the beginning of a great increase in the popularity of science fiction.

      Yes, and don't forget to thank the sexy stars of sci-fi like Jeri Rian, Jessica Alba, and even Traci Lords to help promote the genre.

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    6. Re:science fiction? by WinPimp2K · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, that steaming pile of goo is a real "crossover" show. I wish John Edwards would cross back over to Oxygen or Lifetime where his target audience hangs out.

      Of course, the Sci-Fi channel nowadays has about as much to do with SF as MTV has to do with music now.

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    7. Re:science fiction? by kubrick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but I have always appreciated the 'speculative fiction' attitude that the best SF has. In that vein, once speculation becomes mainstream, SF is obliged to go further afield, looking at more outlandish possibilities or literary forms... SF defines itself by its difference from 'normal' work (as a field, anyway, even if individual authors write stuff that could be classed as, e.g., neo-noir detective fiction (much of cyberpunk)).

      Authors like Disch and Vonnegut managed to cross over quite successfully (and others tried and failed, e.g. PKD, although I quite like his 'mainstream' novels -- as if anything he wrote could ever be considered normal :)

      (It's too early and pre-coffee in the morning for me to take these ideas any further, or back up any of my assertions, but I would at least try to if I weren't feeling this misanthropic at the moment. Sorry. :)

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    8. Re:science fiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Pynchon? V, while not really about the effects of technology on society or anything, did feature an android of sorts. Gravity's Rainbow was certainly more sci-fi than most war novels. Is this part of what is meant by meta-fiction?

    9. Re:science fiction? by kubrick · · Score: 2

      I must confess here to an irrational dislike of some of Pynchon's work -- I'm fine with Joyce's literary games in 'Ulysses', but some of Pynchon's stuff just works at right angles to my brain :/ It's good, but not always for me.

      I think that's one of the common threads of the better literature of the last century; the ur-Novel, incorporating threads from many of the great traditions (and that's all that most literary genres are these days, conventions and traditions). The author takes any event, person, mode of writing, etc. as just another tool in the toolbox... might sound a bit pomo but it's produced some great works :) Pynchon definitely falls into that category, and although I haven't heard the term metafiction used for a while (it's been years since I studied this stuff) I think it fits pretty well into that. Pynchon's work, however, can't really be contained by any one genre description -- although if any one genre could be said to fit, SF would be it, but only because SF is so wide-ranging in its ambit :)

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  8. The Cure for Everything by CmdrSanity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How how how did this story win? I have a copy of it on my shelf and have read it three times. I think it's an average story but every time I read it, the plot flaws become more glaring. In fact, I once took a science-fiction writing course instructed by Joe Haldeman and we spent about 20 minutes just discussing inadequacies in this story's plot development. So what I want to know, sincerely, is if any of you Slashdotter's have read this short, then what were your impressions and what makes it an award winner? The reason I ask is that after spending time analyzing the techinical flaws of the story, it came as a shock to see it praised so highly. If this piece isn't highly successful on a technical level, what parts compensate and what makes it so enjoyable?

    1. Re:The Cure for Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I just read it and I thought it was pretty boring. It started out interestingly enough, but I dunno, the last third of it was just less and less interesting and it kind of fell apart entirely at the end.

    2. Re:The Cure for Everything by zmalone · · Score: 1

      I've read a novel by Severna Park, and I am also puzzled as to how anything written by that person could get an award. I suppose the Nebulas are really just political gesturing by now, so we shouldn't have expected anything else from them.

    3. Re:The Cure for Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can read it here.

    4. Re:The Cure for Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's so bad, why did you read it three times? Not to be snotty, just curious what drives someone to spend the time rereading something they didn't like.

    5. Re:The Cure for Everything by alphaseven · · Score: 1

      Just read it, can't say it impressed me at all. I didn't believe they were speaking in halting Portuguese at the end, no real payoff at the end with the story. In the final third she decides she's going to go get that guy and that's exactly what happens, no twists or surprises.

      Could you elaborate on the plot flaws, and what did Haldeman have to say about it?

    6. Re:The Cure for Everything by CmdrSanity · · Score: 1

      The book was part of the "Year's Best Sci-fi" anthology. In general I re-read everything in the "year's best" since those stories are considered the creme of the crop and I want to understand what the authors are doing right. A first read is good for understanding emotional impact while a second or third is needed to pick up the technical qualities of the work. (I think so anyway.)

    7. Re:The Cure for Everything by CmdrSanity · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm working from 4 month old memory but here are the major points of what we discussed over 20 minutes.

      1. Maria could not work in the Amazon as pure albinos are extremely sensitive to sunlight. Skin cancer is the number 1 cause of death for albinos and it affects a majority of them.
      2. (related to point 1) It is too convenient that Maria just happens run into the only man on the planet capable of having her child.
      3. Maria lets the tribe be taken away too easily. As a result, her sudden urge to chase them down is jarring. From one sentence to the next she seems to change her mind.
      4. Maria gets into the secret compund too easily. How did she know to bring wire cutters and there just happens to be an embankment that allows easy access to the building. Also there are no guards watching over the most valuable genetic stock ever encountered.
      5. Why do Maria and The Cure almost immediatly have sex? It is especially strange since he regards her as some kind of demi-goddess.
      6. Logistics of driving a jeep through the dense jungle for several hours without running out of fuel.
      7. The tribe, which has been isolated in the jungle for thousands of years, speaks near-perfect Portuguese.

      Overall the story suffered from too many instance of "it-just-so-happened-that" sydrome, in which the plot always supplies an easy path for the character to follow.

    8. Re:The Cure for Everything by mav[LAG] · · Score: 2
      Whaddya mean? It's got everything!
      • An anti-intellectual property undertone
      • An environmentally friendly message
      • Vague post-apocalyptic references
      • The threat of the heroine giving birth to mutants
      • pr0n in the last paragraph
      • endless stubbing out of cigarettes

      What more could a chain-smoking, Slashdot-reading, slightly left of Green, sex-starved geek monster movie fan need in a story?
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    9. Re:The Cure for Everything by technoCon · · Score: 1

      I read "May Be Some Time" and i think Brenda Clough was ripped off. She was amazing reproducing the "turn of the last century" voice of the protagonist. i really thought i was seeing through the eyes of a officer the British Empire. If she did anything inaccurately, she made him too PC. Voice, concept, plot, characterization were all first rate.

      (Poling's postulate of the Past: if you ever meet a person from the past, you'll think, "that barbarian" while s/he's thinking, "that flake.")

    10. Re:The Cure for Everything by i0lanthe · · Score: 2

      Speaking of rereading, maybe you just didn't fully absorb the post you're responding to? Seems pretty obvious to me: If someone is going to pick a story to shreds in a writing seminar, he/she has really gotta read it more than once, whether it's a matter of learning "what to do" or "what not to do". Well, assuming there's enough time, what with other classes.

      (but naturally one would make time for Haldeman's course, because it rocks. :-)

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  9. "E-Piracy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

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  10. read out of order by garyrich · · Score: 2

    more telling is this from one of the featured amazon reviews:

    "The Skolian novels can be read in any order and the Quantum Rose particularly can be read out of sequence with the planet-hopping novels."

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  11. Numbers do not correlate to sociability by Macrobat · · Score: 2
    I don't want to make any insinuations, but just because the Sci-Fi channel is growing in popularity, doesn't mean it's not still for nerds. Look at how popular soap operas are, and (true or not, I'm not qualified to say) there is an impression that their audience is mostly lonely old ladies and disaffected housewives. Sad to say, this *might* just mean there's a growing number of people who aren't able to connect socially with each other.

    That said, I enjoy science fiction, and I'm reasonably happy with my social life.

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  12. In other awards... by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 5, Funny
    the Microsoft legal team wins in this year's "best technical fiction" category for their work on the remedy phase of the monopoly trial...

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  13. Re:Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's barely fantasy

    I was under the impression it wasn't really fantasy, but a telling of a chinese folk tale.

    I suppose I could do a Paul Bunyan & Babe the Blue Ox with some nifty ninja moves as they descent upon Evil Harry Dread in his Shed of Doom and get at least a nomination...

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  14. judging a book by its cover by Lepruhkawn · · Score: 1

    Sometimes, when someone is recommending a book to me, I'll ask, "Does it have trees, grass and (egad) flowers on the cover?"

    Call it a stupid prejudice but if ever there was cover art that would turn me away, Quantum Rose has it.

    When I'm looking at it, I'm thinking Nora Roberts crossed Gone With the Wind and the Lord of the Rings?

    My eyes!!! My eyes!!!

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    1. Re:judging a book by its cover by jd142 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Sweet Jebus! That writing won an award?

  15. Re:Cast Steve Irwin In The Next Star Wars Prequel by unitron · · Score: 2

    Let me guess. You were so tired of hearing so many people saying that Jar-Jar was the most annoying character ever that you decided to prove them wrong?

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  16. Jack Williamson by Some+Pig! · · Score: 4, Informative

    Jack Williamson, one of the winners, is 94 years old today. Warmest congratulations!

    1. Re:Jack Williamson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he's probably the most prolific sci-fi author of all time. (Can anybody say for sure?) His career has spanned eight decades!! (Publishing something in each, i.e. no breaks)

      And still winning awards!

  17. Amazon ratings vs Nebula Award committee by magarity · · Score: 1

    Interesting that in Amazon's user ratings this novel winning the Nebula gets 4 of 5 stars while five of this same author's other books get 4.5 of 5. Does that mean one of those will be next year's winner? Or simply that, as usual, the critics and the public have different opinions?

  18. Drat... by belgin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was rather hoping that George R. R. Martin's _A Storm of Swords_ would win. However, I haven't read _A Quantum Rose_, so I can't compare it yet.

    Anybody here read both of these books? If so, could you tell me what aspects of _A Quantum Rose_ really distinguished themselves and how it would compare to Martin's character-driven "realism"?

    Thanks.

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    1. Re:Drat... by CounterZer0 · · Score: 1

      Martin will never win, because people don't like their main characters to die out all time ;)
      I love his Game of Thrones series ;)

    2. Re:Drat... by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      I was just about to comment on that! This guy kills more main characters than ANY author I have ever read!!!! EVERY fscking novel he kills of 3 or 4 and introduces a few more, those guys play a big role until the middle of the next novel, when he kills all of them off!! The story is told really well and all, but for crying out loud! How many damn people can DIE before it becomes hopeless to continue the novel because no one can relate to any of the characters?!

      Kintanon

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  19. Re:Cast Steve Irwin In The Next Star Wars Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Irwin is *never* annoying you ilbegotten titlet.

  20. Re: Fantasy? by RobotSlave · · Score: 1
    I wasn't aware of the fact that the Nebula awards accepted nominations for works of historical fantasy in addition to sci-fi, but Crouching Tiger is clearly an example of the former.

    Incidentally, I got a nice chuckle out of jbennetto making a snide comment about the "Romance" nature of the Best Novel winner, while ignoring the fact that Crouching Tiger is clearly a love story.

  21. Re:Cast Steve Irwin In The Next Star Wars Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it's because Steve Irwin kicks ass and would make a neat Jedi! Steve Irwin and Jar-Jar, when compared for annoyingness: Jar-Jar, by a long shot. Jar-Jar is more annoying than that rash on your ass that you just can't get to go away!

  22. SF better than mainstream? by olman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try reading some nice "mainstream" books once in a while. I don't mean bestseller/landfill category, but a genuinely good book. The thing you probably will notice that the characters have, well, character.

    When you compare this to the usual cut&paste stats in a genre book.. Ouch. Sometimes even genre/mainstream titles by the same writer show that. Try "The Crow road" by Iain M. Banks, you'd hardly believe it was written by the same person as those Culture books. I suppose you have to write a story around your people if you don't have utopia/dystopia/whatever to distract the reader.

    There are some very nice SF titles I have read. Usually, but not always, the story could be rewritten in contemporary setting without too much difficulty. Okay, so the 7 samurais was a samurai movie which was inspired by westerns.. And the few good men (or something like that!) was inspired by the 7 samurais.. So you can take the story and stick it into another setting, nothing new in that!

    In my opinion, SF setting is more likely to hurt a book rather than help it.

    1. Re:SF better than mainstream? by Darth · · Score: 1
      um....no.

      the magnificent seven (the western) was a remake of the seven samurai, not the other way around.


      Kurosawa did his share of retelling stories (he remade several shakespearean plays as stories about feudal japan), in this case it was his story that was the foundation of the westerns.

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    2. Re:SF better than mainstream? by ajs · · Score: 2
      Try reading some nice "mainstream" books once in a while. I don't mean bestseller/landfill category, but a genuinely good book. The thing you probably will notice that the characters have, well, character.
      "Try reading a real book" is the staple of most of the anti-science fiction crowd. It doesn't make any sense, but it makes for good sound-bites.

      The fact of the matter is that every genre has a mix of good and bad writing. The more popular the genre the lower that signal-to-noise ratio will be. This does not mean that a genre which is popular has fewer good authors, just that it will have more bad ones.

      Science fiction has produced some phenominal authors who stand out in a crowd of authors from any genre. It has also produced it's share of popular purveyors of trash.

      Try "The Crow road" by Iain M. Banks, you'd hardly believe it was written by the same person as those Culture books. I suppose you have to write a story around your people if you don't have utopia/dystopia/whatever to distract the reader.
      *snicker* you should try using someone else to gather your examples from. Try reading Ian Banks' "Feersum Endjinn" which is most assuredly science fiction, and IMHO, of the highest order (though some of the narative style is a little gimmicky, which you can get from the title itself).
      There are some very nice SF titles I have read. Usually, but not always, the story could be rewritten in contemporary setting without too much difficulty.
      You are correct to some degree. The question is: can the author get his/her point across easier if the example of a certain technology is used, or the reader can detach from the core idea because of an alien culture (e.g. The Left Hand of Darkness)?

      Also at question is this: could the author have come up with the story otherwise, or was speculation key in the process of creating the story? It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem.

    3. Re:SF better than mainstream? by Kuad · · Score: 1

      Try "The Crow road" by Iain M. Banks, you'd hardly believe it was written by the same person as those Culture books.

      While Crow Road is probably my favorite Banks novel, I'd like to poin out that Inversions is one of his SF works and the general characterization is of a very good quality. It's just not there in the Culture novels. Well, it is.. But it's the ships!!

  23. Plug for next year by sh00z · · Score: 1

    To any SFWA and/or WSFS members out there, when the next nominating cycle rolls around, please be sure to consider Lucuis Shepard's review of 'The Time Machine'. It's the best SF short story I've read in about five years!

  24. True, but... by Macrobat · · Score: 2

    True, Seven Samurai was not a remake of The Magnificent Seven, but Kurosawa did acknowledge the general influence of Hollywood westerns.

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    1. Re:True, but... by wildwood · · Score: 1

      Kurosawa did acknowledge the general influence of Hollywood westerns.

      It seems worth pointing out that Clint Eastwood's spaghetti westerns were inspired by Kurosawa's work. "A Fistful of Dollars" is a direct adaptation of "Yojimbo".

      So, yes, Kurosawa was definitely influenced by earlier Hollywood westerns. But, in turns of trading influence, one could argue that he gave more than he got.

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  25. Declare - It's a shame they DQ'd my favorite... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2
    One of the original nominees was Declare by Tim Powers. A fantastic book, combining Noah's Ark, the French Resistance, the British Secret Service, and ancient Arabian folklore in a breakneck action tale in Powers' trademark "Hard Fantasy" style.

    Unfortuntely, Tim had had a limited edition of the book published in 2000 and was thus ruled ineligible by the SFWA. I know for a fact from a class I took from Tim in September that he had high hopes for the Nebula. It shows how much class he has that he accepted the decision graciously and stated that the rules were completely fair.

    While all the nominees are great works, you really owe it to yourself to try to dig up a copy of Declare and read it for yourself.

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  26. "Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    Its like if somebody asked a committee "what would you title a mix between science fiction and romance?" Anyways could be agood book never read it. But its fun judging a book without even seeing its cover :)

    1. Re:"Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title by Broccolist · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you had seen the ghastly cover you would've liked it even less.

      And egads! That excerpt!

      Unease prickled Kamoj. She treaded water, her hair floating in swirls around her body, wrapping her slender waist and then letting go. Her reflection showed a young woman with black curls framing a heart-shaped face. She had dark eyes, as did most people in Argali, though hers were larger than usual, with long lashes that at the moment sparkled with drops of water.

      Ugh! Augh! This stuff won an award? It's so bad it makes me wince.

      I couldn't have done worse if I had made a special effort to be cliche. Describing someone with a reflection? "Heart-shaped face?" And that "at the moment," as though intentionally placed to break rhythm. I hadn't realized the Nebula people were so tasteless.

    2. Re:"Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title by kubrick · · Score: 2

      heart-shaped face

      A large, red, vaguely cone-shaped lump of flesh?

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    3. Re:"Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title by rjk191 · · Score: 1

      Cat Asaro is generally a pretty decent writer, but by the fourth one I was starting to get bored of the concepts involved (especially the "mandatory sadist" sub-race. I haven't read this one but it's nice to see her get something for once. (Don't knock SF-romance crossovers until you've tried one.)

  27. But isn't the Nebula normally for SF? by pm · · Score: 1

    I would have voted for Storm of Swords as well except that it's always been my impression that the Nebula favors science fiction and the Hugo favors fantasy. Not that this is always true but it seems like this break between the two awards is the norm.

    As far as the fact that the main characters have a shorter existence than those red-shirted Star Trek guys, I personally find it refreshing. Having said this, a friend were talking over lunch last week and were trying to figure out if anyone will still be left alive when Winter is supposed to arrive in later volumes.

  28. ROFL by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    sigh

    no wonder scifi has such bad rep in literature. What sucks is the good sci fi authors actually have to suffer for that.

  29. I winced too. by danny · · Score: 2
    Yeah, that excerpt made me wince too. Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I have not the remotest intention of inflicting any more of it on myself - "total crap" is the phrase that springs to mind.

    George R.R. Martin is way better.

    Danny.

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  30. Nebula Winner George Alec Effinger Dead by Nova+Express · · Score: 2
    Speaking of the Nebulas, science fiction writer George Alec Effinger, who won both the Hugo and Nebula Awards for "Schrodinger's Kitten, died Saturday, at age 55, way too young. Effinger was also known for a series of "Islamic cyberpunk" novels that started with When Gravity Fails (and which remained unfinished at the time of his death), and the humorous "Maureen Birnbaum" series of parodies. And my friend and fellow Turkey Citizen.



    Though Slashdot didn't feel a need to post the obituary, you can find my remembrance of him here: http://www.sfwa.org/news/effinger.htm.

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    1. Re:Nebula Winner George Alec Effinger Dead by beertopia · · Score: 1

      Man, that is so messed up, he was one of my favorites, ever since reading his early novels like Wolves of Memory when I was a kid. (We apparently had a really hip librarian in my small town, now that I think about it.)

      When Gravity Fails, and the other two from that series were some of my favorite s-f books, and I'd been looking forward to there eventually being more of them. Anyone here who's looking for literate, intelligent, often mordantly funny science fiction books to read would do well to look for his.

      I don't guess I have anything to say about it except thanks for mentioning it here, I wouldn't have known otherwise, and now... now I can feel appropriately sad about it. Damn.

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    2. Re:Nebula Winner George Alec Effinger Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sad to hear this. I met him briefly at RiverCon in Louisville and gushed about his books. He was very nice to all us fans who clustered around him.

      His books keep resonating for me, years after reading them. There's a sentence in "When Gravity Fails" that pops into my head at odd times: "Then I did the same to Okking." When you read it in context, it's electric. Seven words that when strung together at the end of a certain scene leave you gasping with shock.

      I think of "Wolves of Memory" a lot now that I'm helping take care of someone who has Alzheimer's. I think of those moddies from "When Gravity Fails" all the time when I'm at work, wishing I could jack something in that would speed me through a pile of drudgework.

      A while back I noticed he was selling off signed books on eBay to raise money for medical expenses. Wish I'd bid on something. Great writer.

  31. Re: Fantasy? by tps12 · · Score: 2
    Incidentally, I got a nice chuckle out of jbennetto making a snide comment about the "Romance" nature of the Best Novel winner, while ignoring the fact that Crouching Tiger is clearly a love story.

    I think there is a pretty glaring difference between writing about love, which is a human emotion (rather, the human emotion), and writing in the "Romance" genre, which is, well, a genre. The two are not necessarily coincident, and I would argue that they are almost completely disjoint. :)

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  32. Heisenberg by proverbialcow · · Score: 2, Funny
    I was looking at a Nebula last night, unfortunatly the Quantum Roses were too small to see (and whenever I tried looking for them, this punk Heisenberg told me I wouldn't be able to find them....)

    Heisenberg didn't say you couldn't find them. He said that you could either know their positions or their velocities (speed + direction), but not both.
    Let me guess: you went looking for them and for some reason chose a method that determined their velocities. :P

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  33. Re:The Cure for Everything... except poor writing. by Xiver · · Score: 1

    This is one of the worst short stories I've ever read.

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  34. Really disappointing by fxdirect · · Score: 1

    I spent the last few hours reading through most of the excerpts that are available for the finalists in the novel category. The only one I didn't read was for Storm of Swords. In general, I was very disappointed in the quality of the material that made it to the finals, which makes the selection of Quantum Rose semi-understandable. However, Eternity's End was much better at least by the excerpt. There seemed to be some inherent conflict in the the story. And beyond getting used to the description of flying the spaceship, the read was pretty good. In terms of sci-fi, I would have chosen this novel over anything else that I had read.

    In searching for the possible reason why Quantum Rose had done so well, I went back to the preliminary award ballot. On it was a book I very much enjoyed entitled Calculating God by Robert Sawyer. This book was better than anything that I read in the excerpts from the books in the finals.

    I admit that I am very picky when it comes to what I read and like, but the excerpts were very disappointing. For example, the Crossing Mars excerpt had nothing in it which would make me want to read the book. The sentence structure was plain and the plot just didn't interest me at all from what was available. I can only imagine that something happens which requires the crew of the spaceship to end up exploring more of Mars than they intended, but none of that was evident in what was available.

    I hope that next year's nominees give me a lot more to look forward to.

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  35. "Next year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...in Jerusalem" was (and remains) the Seder prayer among the Diaspora Jews (at least the Ashkenazim), and in less than 1900 years Israel is back. Maybe we SF fans should maintain the same attitude.

  36. Go, Professor Williamson, Go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best of all, every decade he published something still worth reading.

  37. Picky point and recommended reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The plural of nebula (Latin: "cloud") is Nebulae. If you want some really good stuff, try Gene Wolfe or the short stories of Charles Stross ("Antibodies", "A Colder War").