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Post-it Notes vs. Copy-Inhibited CDs

rjoseph writes "MacUser is running an article about how the new Celine Dion CD A New Day Has Come with copy protection mechanisms to prevent the CD from being played on a PC not only won't play on an iMac, but it will lock the CD tray (so it can't be removed) and fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac. Ouch." We mentioned this interesting experiment in consumer relations last month as well, but now it's getting noticed a lot more. However, emkman writes: "What was first thought to be an April Fool's joke, now appears to be true. Some Audio CD protection schemes such as Cactus DATA Shield 100/200, KeyAudio, and perhaps others may be defeated by invalidating the outer ring of the CD with a black marker or post-it sticky note. www.chip.de has their report in German, here is a translation."

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  1. How? by Gaccm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How could a CD screw up the player? All the CDROM does is read bits off of a CD. The data should not be able to alter the program (in this case firmware) at all. The only way i could see something happening is if the firmware was poorly writtian and the CD causes stack overflows.

    --

    Only dead fish swim with the stream...
    1. Re:How? by mpe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The point here is that these *aren't* CD's. It may look like a CD, smell like a CD, and quack like a CD, but these -things- don't conform to the Compact Disc standard. If they're still putting a Compact Disc logo on these things, I think consumers have a right to be torqued.

      Or, regardless of the logo, if retailers are selling them as regular CDs or even intermingled with CDs.

  2. This is a nasty principle... by AcidDan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was also reading on spymac.com that you can get around this with a nikko pen, but what I really want to say is what a precedent this sets for corporations:

    We will intentionally cause damage to your property because you did not try to play this in an authorised CD player

    I think all those affected now (and more probably in the future with CDs other than Celine) should send a nice happy bill to the corporations that produce these CDs...

    Not being a legal person, how can a disclaimer cover something designed to intentionally cripple hardware? Sure you can say in a disclaimer that "it *may* do blah blah blah" but that's a whole lot different to "If you have X this CD is designed to damage this hardware"

    ... And I also doubt that the disclaimer is in a very prominent position either...

    As someone who buys CDs and owns an iBook, I'm not looking forward to the day I pop in a decent CD I've just bought (sorry, Celine fans) I don't want to discover that I can't get the damn thing out of my lappy easily...

    -- Dan >:(

  3. Yup, permanent damage; nope, Apple won't cover it by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple Knowledge Base article #106882 confirms the problem with "certain copy-protected audio discs, which resemble Compact Discs (CD) but technically are not," and says Apple will not pay for repairs even if you have a service contract.

    http://kbase.info.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/k ba se.woa/116/wa/query?searchMode=Expert&type=id&val= KC.106882

    The note suggests a number of things you can "try" or "attempt" which "may" solve the problem.

    The telling part is the last paragraph:

    "If a disc with copyrighted protection technology remains inside the drive after following the procedures above, or if the computer does not start up normally, it is recommended that you contact an Apple Authorized Service Provider (AASP) or Apple Technical Support. CD audio discs that incorporate copyright protection technologies do not adhere to published Compact Disc standards. Apple designs its CD drives to support media that conforms to such standards. Apple computers are not designed to support copyright protected media that do not conform to such standards. Therefore, any attempt to use non standard discs with Apple CD drives will be considered a misapplication of the product. Under the terms of Apple's One-Year Limited Warranty, AppleCare Protection Plan, or other AppleCare agreement any misapplication of the product is excluded from Apple's repair coverage. Because the Apple product is functioning correctly according to its design specifications, any fee assessed by an Apple Authorized Service Provider or Apple for repair service will not be Apple's responsibility."

  4. Re:Insist on Genuine Compact Discs by thumbtack · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More Fast and Furious doesn't have the logo on the outside packaging, but does use the CD Audio Logo on the CD itself. I don't know about others, but this one does.

  5. A good way to kill DMCA? by Jester99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are we to understand that post-it notes and sharpie pens are now contraband circumvention devices? 3M is not going to like this, not one bit.

    You know, that just might be the ticket. Is there a way to tell a District Attourney that he should bring suit against somebody for illegal activity? Tip off the DA that 3M is marketting items which may be used as circumvention devices.

    3M will bring in their lawerly guns blazing, and will throw lots of corporate resources at smacking on DMCA; we get our precident by making big business do our fighting for us.

    Can something like this work this way?

    (As a manufacturer of floppy disks, e.g., media which would be forced to have circumvention protection systems built in if CDTBPA (Is that the right 'nym?), etc, are passed, I'm sure that 3M is interested in getting rid of these laws...)

  6. Re:Class Action Lawsuit! by Cramer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a huge difference between "not playable in" and "will destroy if played in". If their technology is specifically designed to do this or they release it knowing it will have this effect, then they are in a heap of trouble. Such intentional action is under the jurisdiction of the FBI computer crimes division as felony computer tresspass (the same as any "hacker" breaking into systems.) Every single person with so much as one molecule of their finger in this pie deserves prison time.

  7. Re:circumvention devices? by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the USA we have a legal right to make a backup copy. We just don't have a legal *way* to do it.

  8. Re:Apple Responds w/ KBA by markmoss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll say it again: it's a fucking Pioneer drive. Apple didn't design it. They didn't build it. And they didn't decide whether to put an "eject" button on it.

    When Apple picked this drive out of hundreds to put in their systems, they assumed responsibility for any obvious designed-in defects. And the lack of a manual eject is definitely a design defect...