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Ultra Efficient Chip Cooling Passes Boeing Tests

joelgrimes writes "A company called Cool Chips plc is showing off a cooling device that claims unbelievable efficiencies using what they call 'quantum mechanical electron tunneling'. A choice quote from their press release: "A panel of Cool Chips one inch square will provide enough cooling for a refrigerator; a panel about two inches square will have the capacity to provide the air conditioning for a living room". They also mention using them to cool microprocessors. I used to think this company was nuts, but Boeing is making me think twice. Oh, and by the way, they work in reverse to make electricity from heat. Should I sell my baseball cards and buy their stock now, or can an army of slashdotters poke holes in their claims?" Fascinating stuff. Makes peltier coolers look pretty old school. In the press release they claim up to 80% efficiency, compared to 5-8% for peltier coolers and 50% for conventional refrigeration. I will say the cool chips corporate logo is baffling, though.

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  1. Baffling logo by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    and really awful webdesign.

    Oh well, never judge a book by it's cover nor a company by the use of hard-to-comprehend buzzwords.

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  2. The chip.. by VacheRoi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ..seems to bear a striking visual resemblance to a cross-sectioned hard boiled egg. This has been under our noses the whole time!

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  3. Insufficently geeky by 00_NOP · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Shouldn't they be called Kewl Chips?

  4. .5 inch gives... by hummer357 · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    and half a square inch of the coolchip gives me a nice beercan cooler!!

  5. Automotive by Terminus0 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now, if we can figure out how to use this to keep my car from overheating... I guess until then I will have to stick to my toggle switch for the radiator cooling fan.

  6. Re:Chip cooling? by DarkHelmet · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Only in England does no mean yes, pissed means drunk, and a french fry is referred to as a "chip".

    Now stop driving on the wrong side of the road before I take away your tea time. :)

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  7. Re:Chip cooling? by G-funk · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Quiet yankie, us aussies get chips (unless we're at maccas), and i got half-pissed watching starwars in gold class this arvo.

    Oh yeah yoda is... hmmm... tough :-)

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  8. Re:Chip cooling? by Lars+T. · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Only in America pommes frites are called french fries.

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  9. Even more off topic by vrt3 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Even more off topic:

    $ wget http://www.madcow404.com
    --13:41:45-- http://www.madcow404.com/
    => `index.html'
    Resolving www.madcow404.com... done.
    Connecting to www.madcow404.com[130.104.18.126]:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 504 Gateway Time-out
    13:43:00 ERROR 504: Gateway Time-out.

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  10. Re:Chip cooling? by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Oh come on, everyone knows they were invented in Belgium. And what you call 'chips' were originally sold as Saratoga Crisps, so we're right there too.

  11. Re:Chip cooling? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Only in America pommes frites are called french fries.
    Indeed. "Frites" are not from France, but from Belgium.
  12. Re:Chip cooling? by alecbrown · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wrong, Chips are big and juicy, and you get them from a 'Chippie' - where you can also buy fish, (French) Fries are small, skinny, taste of nothing and come from McDonalds. French Fries here are also a type of Crisps that somewhat resemble McDonalds fries except they are crispier and taste of vinegar.

    I was told once that McDonalds used to use reconstituted chicken feathers for the starch in their Fries, mmm. And I don't know if any of you /.ers saw the program on McDonalds on the BBC a couple of weeks ago - it was a real eye-opener when they quoted the food poisoning outbreaks in the US and some food expert said that they were due to Faeces (that's poo to you) in the Big Macs, mmm tasty.

  13. Re:Either/or by danro · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Ehm, no... that would be the northern ice cap.

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  14. The moderation is becoming ridiculous!!!!!! by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    The moderation is becoming ridiculous!!!!!! How can you call the parent post to this one off topic!!! There are at least 10 posts above about french fries that are not marked off topic!!

    This is on topic! It sensibly points out that local cooling of semiconductors has difficulties, so don't expect an efficient cooler, like the one in the story, to make a huge difference!!!!!!!

  15. Re:Either/or by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Don't blame me, I think I voted for Buchanan.

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  16. Re:Chip cooling? by Mr+Reaney · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Vinegar and what?

    Oh, you mean red sauce....

  17. Re:Either/or by Erich · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    The theory is: If the ice caps recede, so will glaciers, releasing land for use. I've seen the figure that if all the ice caps and glacial areas melted, the ocean levels would rise only a few inches, not enough to be overly problematic. It is true that most ice is floating, and so wouldn't cause the sea levels to rise any (don't believe me? Fill up a glass of ice water so that the ice cube is sticking out the top and the water is at the brim... and let it melt. The water level will remain constant (minus evaporation). Another theory is that we're coming off of an ice age and so the warming is natural. Given the quality of information I think that probably saying the Truth of being at the end of an ice age or overdue for another one is probably more hype than science. My theory is: Polluting isn't a good idea, but on the other hand, there's no reason to go shoot myself immediately because Waterworld won't happen next year.

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  18. DC by swinginSwingler · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Well at least no American I know has ever put a "fag" in his mouth.

    1. Re:DC by cosmo7 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      >Well at least no American I know has ever put a "fag" in his mouth.

      i guess you're not in new york or san francisco.

  19. Re:Chip cooling? by chickenman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And in england you guys fed dead cows to cows
    and had kill most of them because they had madcow. Also who knows how many people in you country got human form which takes a while set in. well food posioning seems be very common in the uk due to
    the same beef digestive bacteria which kill several 100 people in you counrty from ordinary butcher shops.

  20. Re:Either/or by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1, Offtopic


    Also, yes the Kyoto agreement didn't make a lot of sense in the US, because it didn't take in to account how many
    forests the US plants (or other forms of conservation). In this respect, the Kyoto agreement was fundementally
    flawed.


    Planting forrests is a ZERO SUM game.

    The trees only consume the amount of CO2 they need to grow. When the trees die, rott or are made into paper wich is burned or rotts, they evapore the same amount of CO2 they ate before.

    So to get a positive gain while you still burn oil you would need to plant each year trees in an amount big enough to eat the amount of CO2 produced by the burned oil.

    Then next year the same ... and the same ... more forrests and more forrests untill all the US is covered with forrests.

    So: if you now continue to burn oil ... where do you plant the next forest?

    Remember: for each lbs oil you burn you need one lbs of wood(in fact more) to compensate that.

    Following the Kyoto suggestions, reducing energy usage, increasing efficiency of energy usage, is far the fastest way to reduce CO2 ... planting trees needs 10 years to even show up in the plots, and as I said above ... you have to continue with planting until you start reducing your CO2 exhaust.

    Interesting is that in some years the other countries in the world will have industries focusing on low energy technologies .... I asume the US think they simply can buy stuff in.

    angel'o'sphere

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  21. Re:Either/or by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    The "friends from the East" comment was sarcasm. And the United States has suggested on numerous occasions the withdrawal of significant forces from Europe, which is usually met with semi-panicked responses from the host countries.

    As for why we seem to get the focus, I'd ask you to open your eyes a bit. You ignore the neo-Nazi movement in Germany, the former KLA in Kosovo, the Basque ETA in Spain, the Chechens in Russia, the Aum Shinrikyo clan in Japan, the Muslim separatists in western China, and several rebel armies in Africa. We may get the most widely-reported focus, but we're certainly not alone.

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  22. Re:Either/or by karmawarrior · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    As far as I know, sea levels are rising in some areas and falling in others.

    I would assume you mean as in "They're rising on Earth, but they're falling on Mars."

    Or could this be an elaborate troll by a pro-GW advocate to try and ridicule the anti-GW lobby...
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  23. Re:Either/or by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    No, the ice melting part is correct. As you stated, the density of ice is different from liquid water. In fact, it's less dense, and therefore FLOATS on the liquid water. Because of this, the ice is only partially submerged in the water, and thus only displaces a fraction of the full volume of the ice. The parent post is correct in describing that when the ice melts, the volume that it occupies will end up being exactly the same as the amount of water that was displaced by the ice cube (minus evaporation). This, as previously stated, only applies to ice that is floating. Go ahead and try the experiment. Make sure you fill the glass completely full. When the ice melts, the glass won't overflow at all. I believe this is all dealt with by Archimedes' Law of Displacement.

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  24. Re:Chip cooling? by Fjord · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    or gravy and cheese curd, for the French Canadians out there.

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  25. Re:Either/or by spike+hay · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    We like having low poverty, high welfare for all

    America has a much higher per capita GDP than European countries. Just look at the almanac.

    There are not a lot of us who would like to see our governments crank up expenditure on defence to the 40% of GNP you Americans spend on it, just to catch up with you.

    I don't know where you got that figure! It is nowhere even close to that.

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  26. Re:(OT)In defense of Quayle by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    BUT notice that Pringles potato crisps are called "crisps" worldwide.

    ironic then, that they are both American and not actually made from deep fried slices of potato. The fact that Quayle merely followed the plan does not excuse him. Jesus, you'll be telling me how smart Dubya is next...

    BUSH QUOTES FROM HIS TONGUE TO YOUR BRAIN

    "And so, in my State of the -- my State of the Union -- or state -- my speech
    to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation
    -- I asked Americans to give 4,000 years -- 4,000 hours over the next -- the
    rest of your life -- of service to America." --Bush at Connecticut
    Fundraiser, April 9

    "Look, my job isn't to try to nuance, my job is to tell people what I
    think!" --April 2002 Texas Meeting With Tony Blair.

    Dear Jerry, I was watching MSNBC last week, when I had the surreal
    experience of hearing President Bush, interviewed in Crawford, Texas by a
    British
    journalist, say something to the effect that Clinton's failed peace effort
    led to the "INFITADA." [Not the "intifada."] I felt a wave of embarrassment
    for our
    country wash over me. For a moment, I wondered if I had heard correctly,
    but then I was subjected to another un-edifying moment when anchor Lester
    Holt asked a guest, "did Clinton's peace effort, in fact, cause the
    Infitada?" At least they didn't say "Infritata" or use the word "bodacious"
    in front of it...

    Gary Markowitz

    "It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of
    human cloning to come out of that
    chamber."--Washington, D.C., April 10, 2002

    "I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout
    the region."---George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

    "Here's a vignette we're dying to see on the ABC broadcast of Sunday's
    Ford's Theatre Presidential Gala: When Stevie Wonder sat
    down at the keyboard center stage, President Bush in the front row got
    very excited. He smiled and started waving at Wonder,
    who understandably did not respond. After a moment Bush realized his
    mistake and slowly dropped the errant hand back to his
    lap. "I know I shouldn't have," a witness told us yesterday, 'but I
    started laughing.'" --Lloyd Grove, Washington Post, 03.06.02.

    "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." --G. W.
    Bush, White House Press Release, 12.21.01

    Bush said..."In all those tasks, it is worth recalling the words from a
    beautiful Christmas hymn -- in the third verse of "Oh Holy
    Night" we sing, "His law is love, and His gospel is peace. Change ye shall
    break, for the slave is our brother. And in His name all
    oppression shall cease." --White House Press Release, 12/6/01

    "Truly He taught us to love one another
    His law is love and His gospel is peace.
    CHAINS SHALL HE BREAK for the slave is our brother
    And in His name all oppression shall cease.
    Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,
    Let all within us praise His holy name."

    --"Oh Holy Night," Words by Chappeau de Roquemaure. Translated by John S.
    Dwight

    "Bush promised during the presidential campaign to avoid tapping Social
    Security except in cases of war, recession or a national emergency. 'Lucky
    me. I
    hit the trifecta,' Bush told Daniels shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks,
    according to the budget director." --Miami Herald, 11.29.01

    ' I regularly check the Bushisms section of your site to see what new
    verbal blunder the Resident has made. The latest one is:
    "Still nettled by the criticism [about his failure to immediately return
    to the White House from Florida on Sept. 11, Bush recently]
    insisted: 'I wanted to go back to Washington. There is strong advice that
    I did not, primarily from the VicePresident.'" --TIMES,
    11/26/01

    Yesterday I bought a copy of the December 3, 2001 International issue of
    Newsweek; it has Tony Blair on the cover. I'm reading
    on article about Bush and his actions and reactions in the first hours
    after the attacks. On page 22 there is this quote: "I want to
    go back to Washington. There is strong advice that I not, primarily from
    the vice president."

    A small difference perhaps, "wanted" has been changed to "want" and "did"
    is omitted. Nevertheless, the difference is significant
    enough to change a nonsensical statement, with discrepancies in tense, to
    a relatively coherent statement.

    I hate the way the press protects his stupidity. --Bushwatcher, 12/03/01

    "Still nettled by the criticism [about his failure to immediately return
    to the White House from Florida on Sept. 11, Bush recently]
    insisted: 'I wanted to go back to Washington. There is strong advice that
    I did not, primarily from the VicePresident.'" --TIMES,
    11/26/01

    "Mr. Bush said yesterday that the war on terrorism had 'transformationed'
    the U.S.-Russia relationship." --New York Times, 11/14/01

    15 year-old Welsh singing sensation Charlotte "Church recently met George
    W. Bush but says she prefers Clinton. "[Bush] said,
    'So what state is Wales in?' I said, 'Erm, it's a separate country next to
    England, and he went, 'Oh, OK.' I didn't know what to
    say." --Jeannette Wells, 10/30/01.

    REPORTER: "You talk about the general threat toward Americans....And
    people ask us, what is it they're supposed to be on the lookout for?...What
    are
    Americans supposed to look for and report to the police or to the FBI?"

    BUSH: "You know, if you find a person that you've never seen before
    getting in a crop-duster that doesn't belong to you, report it...."Press
    Conference,
    10/11/01

    from the Washington Post, Oct 3: "I am here to make an announcement that
    this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly
    out of Ronald Reagan Airport." --Washington Post, Oct. 3, 2001

    "They misunderestimated the fact that we love a neighbor in need. They
    misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I think they
    misunderestimated the will and determination of the Commander-in-Chief,
    too" --Bush, 9/26/01, according to two readers' reports.

    "But even in the tension of war preparation, Bush gave a clear sign that
    things were returning to normal, as he employed his favorite malapropism,
    "misunderestimate," three times in as many sentences."The folks who
    conducted to act on our country on September 11th made a big mistake," he
    said.
    "They underestimated America. They underestimated our resolve, our
    determination, our love for freedom. They misunderestimated the fact that we
    love a
    neighbor in need. They misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I
    think they misunderestimated the will and determination of the commander
    in chief, too."" --Washington Post, 0/27/01 [but see Censored.]

    "To the book of "Bushisms," add a footnote on Fleischerisms. Announcing
    President Bush's schedule on Thursday, White House
    press secretary Ari Fleischer said the president was meeting with
    religious leaders "to talk about the importance of tolerism, er,
    tolerance." Later in his morning briefing, Fleischer repeated the nonword,
    "tolerism." Reporters more accustomed to hearing such
    malaprops from the president himself could barely stifle their laughter.
    Fleischer jokingly begged: 'Don't think what you all are
    thinking! That was MY word. Stop it!'" --Washington Post, 9/20/01

    "Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't. But I tell you we'll always
    answer his phone." --Speaking to a Labor Day crowd in
    Kaukauna, Wis., about Carpenters' Union President Doug McCarron, 9/3/01.
    AP

    "Bush, who has tweaked the press about his choice of Crawford -- a
    sunbaked crossroads where summer temperatures hover around the century mark
    --
    suspecting them of a preference for 'sucking in the salt air' on the East
    Coast, displayed similar disdain for those who would vacation on the West
    Coast. 'Brie and cheese,' he sniffed after learning one reporter had just
    returned from California." --Reuters, 8/23/01

    "An expert in Texas trees, described by Bush as 'an arbolist,' is coming
    soon to identify all the varieties at the ranch. 'Look up the
    word,' he said. 'I don't know, maybe I made it up. Anyway, it's an
    arbo-tree-ist, somebody who knows about trees.'" --Judy Keen,
    8/21/01

    "Bush at night hatches quizzical new phrases. In Denver and Albuquerque,
    he talked about the "so- called surplus," making it sound as if he
    doubted the existence of the very money he deemed so bountiful that a tax
    cut was necessary. And Bush at night latches onto adjectives and doesn't let
    go. Eight times in about one minute, he called Senator Pete V. Domenici,
    Republican of New Mexico, for whom he was raising money at the Albuquerque
    event, "passionate," and Mr. Domenici's passions knew no bounds. "Pete is
    passionate about the budget," the president said. He then erased more than
    two months of Congressional history, traveling back to a time before
    Democrats took control of the Senate, and put Mr. Domenici in charge of the
    Senate
    budget committee once again. "I can assure you, Mr. Chairman," Mr. Bush
    said to him, hurriedly adding: "Or I wish would be Mr. Chairman -- should be
    Mr. Chairman, and will be Mr. Chairman after next 2002." Not to be
    confused with last 2002." --Frank Bruni, 8/19/01

    "Well, sometimes we see the will on the other side, and sometimes that
    cycle overcomes the will. There's a lot of people in the
    Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process, but first
    things first. These terrorist acts and the responses have
    got to end in order for us to get the framework -- the groundwork, not
    framework -- the groundwork to discuss a framework, to lay
    the -- all right." --Bush Rmks To Travel Pool, 8/13/01

    "We will never get to Mitchell until the leadership works to reduce and
    stop violence. These terrorists acts, which are despicable, will prevent us
    from ever
    getting into the Mitchell process. My administration has been calling upon
    all the leaders in the -- in the Middle East to do everything
    they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that
    peace will never happen. And so long as terrorist activities
    continue, it will be impossible to get into Mitchell or any other
    discussion about peace under the threat of terrorism." --to reporters,
    8/13/01

    "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and
    what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right," he said, to
    the confusion of some of the listening journalists during an informal
    meeting near the steps of Rome in Italy where orators used
    to speak. --Reuters, 7/23/01

    "After the [Ellis Island citizenship] ceremony, Bush led the group in the
    Pledge of Allegiance, mistakenly urging them to hold up their right hands
    rather
    than place them on their hearts, as is customary. 'Right hand up, please,'
    Bush said, prompting most of the group to follow suit, before catching his
    mistake. 'Actually right hand on your heart.'" --Reuters, 7/11/01

    "Well, it's an unimaginable honor to be the president during the Fourth of
    July of this country. It means what these words say, for
    starters. The great inalienable rights of our country. We're blessed with
    such values in America. And I--it's--I'm a proud man to
    be the nation based upon such wonderful values."--Visiting the Jefferson
    Memorial, Washington, D.C., July 2, 2001

    "I'm sure you can imagine it's an unimaginable honor to live here." --June
    18, 2001 in a White House address to agriculture leaders. (thanks, Sari)

    "When George W. Bush announced from Sweden on June 14 that he planned to
    pull the US Navy out of the Puerto Rican island of
    Vieques by 2003, it struck some as odd when he referred to the people of
    Vieques, all US citizens, as "our friends and neighbors" who "don't want us
    there." It was as though he was saying Puerto Rico is a foreign country."
    --Falcon

    "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a
    nation that suffers from incredible disease."--After meeting with the
    leaders of the
    European Union, Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

    "President Bush reports that European leaders are warming up to his
    missile defense plan now that he has gone over and
    explained to them "the logic behind the rationale." Now, whatever you do,
    don't try to examine the phrase "the logic behind the
    rationale" logically. I tried, and the results weren't pretty:
    "A rationale, of course, is the logic behind some position or course of
    action. So the "logic behind the rationale" is the logic
    behind the logic behind some position or course of action--a concept I'm
    having trouble wrapping my mind around. Of course, if
    we adopt the more cynical sense of the word "rationale"--the purported but
    not actual logic behind a position--then Bush's
    phrase could have some actual meaning. For example: Maybe he explained to
    European leaders that behind the official rationale
    for missile defense--smacking down missiles launched by wacko leaders of
    rogue states--lie the actual goals of feeding the
    military industrial complex and keeping Donald Rumsfeld off the streets.
    But somehow I doubt it, even though one of those goals
    would indeed be laudable." --Robin Wright, 6/19/01

    "Anyway, I'm so thankful, and so gracious--I'm gracious that my brother
    Jeb is concerned about the hemisphere as well."--Miami,
    Fla., June 4, 2001

    "Russia is no longer our enemy, and therefore we shouldn't be locked into
    a Cold War mentality that says we keep the peace by
    blowing each other up. In my attitude, that's old, that's tired, that's
    stale."--Des Moines, Iowa, June 8, 2001

    "Bush, in a taped interview with Spanish TV 'mispronounced the prime
    minister's name.' Bush 'said he looked forward to meeting
    Aznar -- but the name came out as Anzar.' Bush also 'mangled Spanish
    grammar with gender disagreement and emphasis on the
    wrong syllables.' 'If I don't practice I am going to destroy this
    language' -- President Bush, on his Spanish." --AP, 6/12/01, as
    reported by Hotline.

    "Our nation must come together to unite." --Tampa, Fla., June 4, 2001

    "If a person doesn't have the capacity that we all want that person to
    have, I suspect hope is in the far distant future, if at
    all."--Remarks to the Hispanic Scholarship Fund Institute, Washington,
    D.C., May 22, 2001

    "Thirdly, the explorationists are willing to only move equipment during
    the winter, which means they'll be on ice roads, and
    remove the equipment as the ice begins to melt, so that the fragile tundra
    is protected." --Conestoga, Pa., May 18, 2001

    IS BUSH CLOSE ENOUGH FOR GOVERNMENT WORK? Ever since mainstream reporters
    filed their Bush First Hundred Days
    reports, they've gone easy on him about his verbal gaffes. He's still
    providing his Bushisms, but they're not being reported and the
    transcripts of his spur-of-the-moment informal press conferences are being
    cleaned up. During Friday's sneak attack by Bush on
    the English language, a Bush Watcher caught him saying de-ter-iate for
    "deteriorate," hay-ee-nous for "heinous," and vent-ed for
    "vetted." Please keep us informed of future Bush verbal transgressions
    while the media continues to be derelict in its duties.
    --Politex, 5/14/01

    "But I also made it clear to [Vladimir Putin] that it's important to think
    beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if
    we blew each other up, the world would be safe."--Washington, D.C., May 1,
    2001

    Here's what Bush said about how far he would have the U.S. go to defend
    Taiwan: "Whatever it took to help Taiwan defend
    theirself." --Good Morning America, April 25, 2001

    It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade,
    there's more commerce."--Quebec City, Canada, April 21,
    2001

    "This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an
    efficient way. We're making the right decisions to
    bring the solution to an end."--Washington, D.C., April 10, 2001

    "The Senate needs to leave enough money in the proposed budget to not only
    reduce all marginal rates, but to eliminate the
    death tax, so that people who build up assets are able to transfer them
    from one generation to the next, regardless of a person's
    race."--Washington, D.C., April 5, 2001

    "And we need a full affront on an energy crisis that is real in California
    and looms for other parts of our country if we don't move
    quickly."--Press conference, Washington, D.C., March 29, 2001

    "I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and
    Hispanically."--Radio-Television Correspondents Association dinner,
    Washington, D.C., March 29, 2001

    "But the true threats to stability and peace are these nations that are
    not very transparent, that hide behind the--that don't let
    people in to take a look and see what they're up to. They're very kind of
    authoritarian regimes. The true threat is whether or not
    one of these people decide, peak of anger, try to hold us hostage,
    ourselves; the Israelis, for example, to whom we'll defend, offer
    our defenses; the South Koreans."--Media roundtable, Washington, D.C.,
    3/13/01

    I think there is some methodology in my travels."--Washington, D.C., March
    5, 2001, NYT, 3/9/01

    State Department Spokesman Says "Bushisms" Caused More
    Diplomatic Blunders

    The State Department is playing down comments by Secretary of State Colin
    Powell, who officials say misspoke twice last week on
    key mainstays of U.S. international policy -- one relating to Jerusalem, the
    other to Taiwan. The controversial statements came
    during Powell's testimony to Congress about President Bush's international
    affairs budget and hot spots for U.S. policy. One
    comment involved U.S. policy on Jerusalem, which both the Israelis and the
    Palestinians claim as their capital. The United States
    has long maintained that the fate of Jerusalem is a "final status" issue to
    be negotiated between the parties. But last
    Wednesday, when asked by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about
    President Bush's plans to move the U.S. embassy out
    of Tel Aviv, Powell said the president was committed to moving "the embassy
    to the capital of Israel, which is Jerusalem." State
    Department spokesman Richard Boucher called the comment an inadvertent
    mistake and said U.S. policy on Jerusalem remained
    unchanged....

    Officials say Powell's other mistake came during testimony last Thursday
    before the House International Relations Committee
    when Powell, while talking about arms sales to Taiwan, twice referred to
    Taiwan as the Republic of China.... According to
    Boucher, the Chinese called the State Department to raise questions about
    Powell's comments. "We replied very clearly that U.S.
    policy has not changed regarding unofficial relations with Taiwan," he said.
    "We don't normally use the term and I don't think
    we'll be using it in the future." On the whole, Boucher chalked up the
    statements to Powell's speaking style. Boucher noted Powell
    often appears before Congress and the news media without the piles of
    briefing notes characteristic of his predecessor,
    Madeleine Albright. "If we want to praise the secretary for being open and
    speaking English and talking without following a
    specific script, one would also have to accept that," Boucher said. "The
    language might be a little looser at times." "So don't get
    too excited over one word here, one word there," he added." --CNN, 3/14/01

    White House Spokesman Says "Bushism" Caused Diplomatic Blunder

    "President Bush told President Kim Dae Jung of South Korea today that he
    would not resume missile talks with North Korea
    anytime soon, putting aside the Clinton administration's two-year campaign
    for a deal and the eventual normalization of
    relations with the reclusive Communist state. Mr. Bush's comments, while
    couched in reassuring statements about the American
    alliance with South Korea, came as a clear rebuff to President Kim. Awarded
    last year's Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to open
    dialogue across one of the most heavily armed borders on earth, the South
    Korean leader has told American officials that he
    believes there is only a narrow window of opportunity to seize on North
    Korea's recent willingness to emerge from its diplomatic
    seclusion.

    ....In a brief exchange with reporters after meeting Mr. Kim in the Oval
    Office, Mr. Bush said: "We're not certain as to whether or
    not they're keeping all terms of all agreements." But the United States has
    only one agreement with North Korea - the 1994
    accord that froze North Korea's plutonium processing at a suspected nuclear
    weapons plant. And at a briefing this afternoon two
    senior administration officials, asked about the president's statement, said
    there was no evidence that North Korea is violating
    its terms. Later, a White House spokesman said that Mr. Bush was referring
    to his concern about whether the North would comply
    with future accords, even though he did not use the future tense. "That's
    how the president speaks," the official said." --NYT,
    3/8/01

    "Of all states that understands local control of schools, Iowa is such a
    state." --Council Bluffs, Iowa, 2/28/01

    Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman "and I will carry out this equivocal
    message to the world: Markets must be open." --WP,
    3/3/O1

    BUSH TOP LANGUAGE GAFFES...THIS WEEK

    "Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the
    heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the
    death tax is. I don't want to get rid of the death penalty, just the death
    tax." --AP, 2/28

    "Education is not my top priority." (REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN APPLAUD)
    "Education is my top priority." --Budget Speech, 2/27

    "My pan plays down an unprecedented amount of our national debt." --Budget
    Speech, 2/27

    "[We can learn] from our conscience and from our fellow citizens, the
    highest PROSSIBLE praise: well done, good and faithful
    servants." --Budget Speech, 2/27

    Feb. 24, 2001..."Laura and I are looking forward to having a private
    dinner with he and Mrs. Blair Friday night." --Bush to
    reporters, Reuters

    Feb. 9, 2001...""One reason I like to highlight reading is, reading is the
    beginnings of the ability to be a good student. And if you
    can't read, it's going to be hard to realize dreams; it's going to be hard
    to go to college. So when your teachers say, read--you
    ought to listen to her."--Nalle Elementary School, Washington, D.C.

    Feb. 8, 2001..."It's good to see so many friends here in the Rose Garden.
    This is our first event in this beautiful spot, and it's
    appropriate we talk about policy that will affect people's lives in a
    positive way in such a beautiful, beautiful part of our
    national--really, our national park system, my guess is you would want to
    call it."--Washington, D.C.

    Feb. 7, 2001..."We're concerned about AIDS inside our White House--make no
    mistake about it."--Washington, D.C.

    Jan. 29, 2001...A president's right to grant...pardons is "inviolate, as
    far as I'm concerned," he said. "It's an important part of the
    office. I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but
    my predecessors as well." --NYT, 1/29/01

    Jan. 14, 2001..."Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to
    keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from
    peacekeepers is going to be an assignment." --NYT, 1/14/01

    Jan. 11, 2001...He said he wanted his administration to be remembered for
    making America "a more literate country and a
    hopefuller country." --Reuters, Bush Chooses Trade Rep

    BUSH COMES THROUGH WITH BUSHISMS

    What's a Bush debate without Bushisms, right? Here's what Time's James
    Posniewozik wrote. Bush "did manage a couple of
    Bushisms, including "There has to be a wholesale effort against racial
    profiling, which is illiterate children." Perhaps the most
    interesting line of the debate, in fact, came when Bush decried how the
    killers at Columbine could "have their hearts turned dark
    as a result of being on the Internet." One could say that ascribing a mass
    medium with the power literally to make people evil is a
    rather silly and disturbing argument to be put forth by a candidate for the
    leadership of a democracy. But I digress. Now, go
    forth, my readers, and kill! Kill! Kill! Rise up, my vast army, and do the
    sacred bidding of your dark master!" 10/12/00

    10/1... AUSTIN, Sept. 30 -- Texas Gov. George W. Bush declared this week
    that Vice President Gore would create "over 200,000
    new or expanded federal programs." He meant 200. Bush said that with
    education funds, "the federal government ought to have
    maximum flexibility." He meant that the flexibility should be with the
    states that receive the money. Bush said he has "ruled out
    no new Social Security taxes." Of course, he meant he has ruled out new
    Social Security taxes. In Beaverton, Ore., he said, "More
    and more of our imports come from overseas." In Redwood City, Calif., he
    promised "a foreign-handed policy," when he meant "an
    even-handed foreign policy." --Mike Allen, WASHINGTON POST

    9/27... At a town hall-style event in Redwood City, Calif., Tuesday
    morning, Republican presidential nominee George W. Bush was
    asked by an audience member if he would have an "even-handed" policy when
    dealing with the Middle East. Bush reassured the
    potential voter, "I will have a foreign-handed policy." --John Berman,
    ABCNEWS

    9/8...Republican officials anxious about his slippage in the polls are
    fair-weather friends, [Bush] said. "That's Washington," he
    said. "That's people getting ready to jump out of the foxhole before the
    first shell is fired." Detroit Free Press (thanks to Lois
    White)

    MAJOR LEAGUE BUSHISM
    "There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.'' An
    Aside to Dick Cheney as
    they stood together this morning on a Labor Day rally platform in
    Naperville, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago. Cheney responded,
    "Oh yeah, he is, big time." A Bush spinner said the Texas Governor is angry
    with reporter Clymer because he wrote about Bush's
    Texas record. More than once. During the rally, Bush told the crowd that it
    was "time to get some plain-spoken folks'' in
    Washington, D.C., but observers assume he didn't mean that plain-spoken.
    --Politex, 9/4/00 from a Reuters report.

    BUSH'S TEXAS CHAIN-SAW MASSACRE (OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE)

    "In the midst of a tour to promote his views on education, Texas Gov. George
    W. Bush may have set a personal record for bloopers
    in one speech. In 15 minutes, he mistook "terrors" (or was it "terriers"?)
    for "tariffs" and "hostile" for "hostage" (twice), and asserted
    that President Clinton has been in office for four -- not eight -- years."
    (WP 8/22)

    Here are the actual sentences from Monday's speech: ""When we carry Iowa
    in November, it'll mean the end of four years of
    Clinton-Gore.... We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation
    hostile or hold our allies hostile....."I will work to end
    terrors and tariffs and barriers everywhere across the world so that Iowa
    farmers can sell their product in countries heretofore
    where the doors have been closed."

    Bush also made sure that entrepreneurs would get a lion's share of
    whatever he was promising to give out: ''This campaign not
    only hears the voices of the entrepreneurs and the farmers and the
    entrepreneurs, we hear the voices of those struggling to get
    ahead,'' he said. Some observers understood this to mean that Bush no longer
    feels that the nation's farmers are in need of help
    from the government. Last Friday on the campaign trail the Texas Governor
    accused Gore of advocating "class warfore." --Politex,
    8/23/00

    8/13... "I wish I could turn to the soldiers on that ship," Mr. Bush said,
    erroneously referring to the sailors on an aircraft carrier in
    the backdrop, "and I wish they could hear me: stay in the military, there's
    a new commander in chief coming." --New York Times

    7/19... George W. Bush's new Web site, www.georgewbush.com, states that
    the No. 3 priority of the campaign is "Putting
    Education First." --Al Kamen, Washington Post

    7/1... "Unfairly but truthfully, our party has been tagged as being
    against things. Anti-immigrant, for example. And we're not a
    party of anti-immigrants. Quite the opposite. We're a party that welcomes
    people." --Cleveland, Ohio

    6/28..."The fundamental question is, 'Will I be a successful president
    when it comes to foreign policy?' I will be, but until I'm the
    president, it's going to be hard for me to verify that I think I'll be more
    effective." --Wayne, Michigan, reported by Katharine Q.
    Seelye, New York Times, June 28, 2000.

    6/10... "If you're asking me whether or not as to the innocence or guilt
    or if people have had adequate access to the courts in
    Texas, I believe they have." --Response to an AP Reporter

    5/18..."[Rudy Giuliani] has certainly earned a reputation as a fantastic
    mayor because the results speak for themselves. I mean,
    New York's a safer place for him to be." --The Edge With Paula Zahn

    5/14... "The fact that he relies on facts--says things that are not
    factual--are going to undermine his campaign." --New York
    Times

    5/10...""I think we agree, the past is over."---On his meeting with John
    McCain, Dallas Morning News.

    5/5..."It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--In answer
    to the charge that, as Texas governor, he did not make up a
    state budget, Reuters.

    4/26..."I hope we get to the bottom of the answer. It's what I'm
    interested to know." --On Elian negotiations, AP.

    3/2... "I've got a record, a record that is conservative and a record that
    is compassionated." --NYT Debate Transcript

    2/23..."It is not Reaganesque to support a tax plan that is Clinton in
    nature." (Los Angeles)--Slate, 2/29

    2/25... "After he had failed a reporter's pop quiz last fall about foreign
    leaders, including the name of the Indian prime minister,
    Mr. Bush winced today when a moderator mentioned the words "pop quiz."
    Jokingly, Mr. Bush dared the moderator to ask him the
    name of the Indian president. "Do you know who the president of India is?"
    the moderator asked obligingly. "Vajpayee," Mr. Bush
    said, grinning and looking pleased with himself. But Atal Behari Vajpayee is
    the prime minister of India; the president is K. R.
    Narayanan." --New York Times, 2/26

    2/23... "I don't have to accept their tenants. I was trying to convince
    those college students to accept my tenants. And I reject any
    labeling me because I happened to go to the university." --Today

    2/23...It is not Reaganesque to support a tax plan that is Clinton in
    nature." (Los Angeles)--Slate, 2/29

    2/20..."I don't want to win? If that were the case why the heck am I on
    the bus 16 hours a day, shaking thousands of hands,
    giving hundreds of speeches, getting pillared in the press and cartoons and
    still staying on message to win?" --Newsweek (Feb.
    28 edition)

    "I thought how proud I am to be standing up beside my dad. Never did it
    occur to me that he would become the gist for
    cartoonists." --ibid.

    2/20..."Really proud of it. A great campaign. And I'm really pleased with
    the organization and the thousands of South Carolinians
    that worked on my behalf. And I'm very gracious and humbled." --to Cokie
    Roberts (This Week)

    2/17..."The senator has got to understand if he's going to have--he can't
    have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and
    then claim the low road." --to reporters in Florence, S.C. (Slate)

    2/16/00... "If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls
    and principles, come and join this campaign." --Hilton
    Head, S.C. (Slate)

    2/15/00... "Bush mispronounced the words "tactical," "nuclear," and Lugar"
    (as in Sen. Dick) in the course of a single sentence. A
    few moments later, he mangled "admirably" beyond recognition, and left
    viewers wondering how many syllables the word
    "strategic" has. (Two, three or four, by Bush's count.) At another point, he
    declared that as Americans, "we ought to make the pie
    higher." Huh?"--Tucker Carlson

    2/14/00..."There is madmen in the world, and there are terror." (AP)
    For parents bothered by the amount of profanity and violence on TV, he
    recommended a simple solution: "Put the 'off' button on."
    (AP)

    2/7/00 (circa)...Bush recalled his time as a Texas oil man and how the
    experience shaped his views in support of entrepreneurs. "I
    understand small business growth.I was one." (AP)

    1/30/00..."This is preservation month. I appreciate preservation. It's
    what you do when you run for president. You've got to
    preserve." Presidential candidate George W. Bush, praising students at
    Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H., for their
    "theme of the month," which was actually perseverance. (Newsweek)

    1/19/00..."What I am against is quotas. I am against hard quotas, quotas
    they basically delineate based upon whatever. However
    they delineate, quotas, I think vulcanize society. So I don't know how that
    fits into what everybody else is saying, their relative
    positions, but that's my position." (Molly Ivins)

    --
    That was classic intercourse!
  27. Re:Either/or by spike+hay · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    America has saved the arses of the Europeans in WW1, WW2, the Cold War, and the Marshall Plan.

    If it wasn't for us, Hitler would have won the war. You would be living in a totalitarian fascist dictatorship. If you had won the war, which would be unlikely, your economy would have been screwed without the Marshall Plan. Also, the Soviets most likely would have had an invasion were you not backed by America during the Cold War.

    Don't bash America. We have done so much for Europe.

    --
    If you don't understand any of my sayings, come to me in private and I shall take you in my German mouth.
  28. Re:Either/or by pomakis · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    If some bright fellow invented a general CO2 collector that could be planted on floating platforms in the middle of the oceans and suck up more than all the manmade CO2 that was being pumped out, the Kyoto treaty would *still* require a CO2 emission restriction regimin even though it would be totally useless.

    I can't believe how many people have this attitude about environmental pollution! I don't understand how any reasonably intelligent person can fail to see that preventative maintenance (i.e., reducing emissions at the source) is a fundamentally safer way to insure that we don't continue down the spiralling path of the gradual destruction of our planet's ecosystem. In order for humankind to survive (comfortably) in the long run, we're going to have to treat our planet with respect.

    Do you piss on your living room carpet every day and then get a carpet cleaner in each weekend to clean up the mess? No, you install a toilet and a plumbing system!

  29. Re:"Global Warming" and other arcticles of faith.. by cosmo7 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Myth: CFCs cannot reach the stratosphere because they are heavier than air.

    Fact: Air in the lower atmosphere (which extends far above the stratosphere) moves in masses, not as individual molecules. A number of studies have found CFCs and the products of their breakdown in the stratosphere (Rowland, EPA).

    Myth: Volcanoes and other natural sources contribute much more chlorine than CFCs to the ozone layer.

    Fact: Chlorine compounds from natural sources are soluble, and so are washed out of the atmosphere. CFCs, by contrast, are not soluble and so are able to reach the stratosphere. A number of studies have shown that the majority of chlorine in the stratosphere comes from man-made chemicals (Rowland, Taubes, Russell et al, EPA).

  30. Re:Either/or by mpe · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I don't think that the southern ice cap melting would have much/any effect. Doesn't the vast majority of that ice already float on the water?

    More of the North ice cap is floating, the Southern ice cap has the continent of Antartica underneath, but plenty of floating ice around it's outside.

  31. Re:Either/or by mpe · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Yep, but even in the northern hemisphere you have ice that will cause sea level rises when it melts. Think only of Greenland.

    Greenland isn't actually that big. You really need to check on a globe, not a Mercator projection map.

  32. Re:Either/or by Squalish · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    The point is that the ice in the largest ice caps is 2+ miles thick. Ice is usually thicker on land than on the north pole, because snow falls much more at higher elevations, and since something like 93%(forget where I read this) of the ice stays below water when floating, the ice gets big, but not as big as similar ones do inland. In addition, tides, currents, and the seasonal change in temperature affect things covered by water much more than things coverred by insulating snow. Anyway, back to my point: Lets do a little experiment. Say a 50km by 50km chunk of ice, 3km thick, suddenly melts. This size ice cover is not very much, and many times this exists in a place the size of antartica, or even greenland(well, maybe just a couple over greenland, but you get the point). 50km x 50km x 3km = 750 km^3 of ice The earth has about 362,000,000 km^2 of water cover. Divide this up(assuming equal volume of ice/water and a bunch of other simplified timesavers) and you get aproximately 2 meters more of water over the entire ocean. This is enough to drown a large percentage of the human population of earth. Check your map. Every major city in the world was founded at the intersection of two bodies of water. The ocean forms a nice junction, so most of the cities on earth will either be underwater or have nice new beachfront property.

    --
    People in Soviet Russia, however, appear to be afflicted with amusing juxtapositions of the aforementioned situation