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Alphanumeric Phone Keypad - Fastap

seldo writes "The illustrious BBC has a story about a new mobile phone keypad, designed by a company called Digit Wireless, headed by one Mr David Levy, who "was head of ergonomic design at Apple for five years and was influential in the layout of its Powerbook laptops," according to the article. I don't know how it is to use, but it looks really funky. There's a demo on the site (javascript popup, so no link). The sooner I don't have to deal with the stupid 3-letters-per-button interface to send SMS, the better."

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  1. voice recognition by 56ker · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think they should just develop voice recognition for phones and do away with the keypad for SMS messages. Then again phones already work on a voice recognition basis - it's called calling someone!

    1. Re:voice recognition by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, there is voice recognition for calling people or doing specific commands (Motorola Timeport for example)...

      However, the chance the phone will actually understand what you said is low... usually it's faster to just type in the number instead of trying to say a name 30 times... also, it will make you look stupid if it doesn't work in the first time :)

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    2. Re:voice recognition by donnacha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to researchers at the University of Maryland's Human-Computer Interaction Lab, voice-recognition will never play an important part in our interaction with Information Technology because we construct our spoken communication in the "short-term" part of our memory.

      This recent /. thread, discusses a Washington Post article, "A Visual Rather Than a Verbal Future", which details their work.

    3. Re:voice recognition by egreB · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the parent was suggesting voice recognition for SMS-typing, not only dialing. I agree that typing a number of the first letters of a name usually is faster than saying the name over and over, but talking to you phone to write SMSes would be great!

      The sad thing is that SMS holds only 160 letters - there's really not much you can say in those 160 letters. So what people does, is to write ununderstandable stuff. I dunno how this is outside Norway, but here SMS-writings from 14 year olds are generally unreadable.. And that would be hard to implement in voice recognition.

    4. Re:voice recognition by Asprin · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's a great funny and subtle scene in the movie "L.A. Story" with Steve Martin where he's programming his new voice-activated telephone/answering machine....

      SM: "Dial Mom."

      Phone: ....

      SM: "Dial MOM."

      Phone: ....

      SM: "Dial... MOM!"

      Phone: bink.bonk.beep.beep.boop.beep.bonk.boop

      Phone: ring..... ring....

      Phone: "Hello, this is Domino's, would you like take out or delivery?"

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  2. Demo Link by TheCrunch · · Score: 4, Informative
    "There's a demo on the site (javascript popup, so no link)."

    Urm yah. The link. (Flash required)

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    1. Re:Demo Link by 56ker · · Score: 2

      What's the matter - haven't got a flash plugin for your browser?

    2. Re:Demo Link by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 2

      Their usage comparision is interesting...I don't know how they managed to pad out the number of strokes they say T9 uses as much as they did.

  3. Japan? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Digit Wireless has also developed a version for Japan that allows the keyboard to represent the 120 characters of the country's languages."

    So this first appeared on Japanese phones. That means on another 10 years it well be the new 'latest development cutting edge' in North America's cellphone technology.

    I live in North America and I still don't have WAP or SMS on my phone ... I have to settle for a proprietary browser and text system.

  4. NOKIA and dictionaries... by VEGx · · Score: 5, Funny
    The "three-letter-per-number" slows the typing, sure. Or better say it did.

    NOKIA, for example, has dictionaries in the newer mobile phones.

    Meaning, you just press each "number" just once, even if the "letter" is the last one under this "number." The dictionary does the guessing and writes the right word.

    Besides, it words as an automatic spellchecker!!! No need to be ashamed your messages now. No one's going to laugh at your bad grammar.

    1. Re:NOKIA and dictionaries... by jedrek · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not only in Nokia phones, most of the major european mobile phone players (those being: Sony/Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens and Alcatel) have this function. It's called T9, it's (like I said) available in a LOT of phones and it's pretty much a standard right now. Avalible in a couple dozen languages - including my native polish.

      I absolutely detest it, and it is switched off on my phone. On the other hand, my friend's wife uses it and he claims she's a speed demon when it comes to SMSes...

    2. Re:NOKIA and dictionaries... by rafelbev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The dictionaries you are mentioning use T9 technology, which is not all that new. I always keep my T9 on because yes it speeds up your typing.

      Yet the issue at hand here is to totally scrap the need of a dictionary. SMS Texting is mostly popular in Japan and in Europe although its already picking up in the States. Now the problem here is language. I am Maltese, and we usually tend to use Maltese and English interchangably. Yet you can't do this for texting, because the lack of a Maltese dictionary. Also, you tend to use bad gramemr because typing out certain words STILL requires a look up in the dictionary because there would be more common words with the same combination of letters. People who send loads of SMSes would understand me.

      I am totally in favour of encouraging this button layout, so that you don't get to teach your phone your common jargon words. You notice this most when you send messages from someone elses phone. Apart from having to re-learn his/her interface for using T9, you end up discovering that he/she doesn't have the same words. Grrrrrrrr

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    3. Re:NOKIA and dictionaries... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      T9 is good but takes a bit of getting used to. I hated it at first but kept playing with it until I got my head round it.

    4. Re:NOKIA and dictionaries... by irony+nazi · · Score: 2

      Don't forget that T9 technology has nothing to do with the layout of the keys. You can use T9 in addition to having a nicely laid out keypad and that would speed you up VERY much. The layout of a number pad is bad for entering letters. Enough said.

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  5. Good idea, only one problem... by donnacha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a great idea, I can really see it working BUT the method of entering numbers does sound a tad dodgy:

    "Numbers are typed by pressing the four letter keys surrounding each numeral."

    Surely sensing pressure centred on the actual number buttons themselves would make more sense?

    Otherwise, though, great idea, even beats the Treo.

    1. Re:Good idea, only one problem... by hackerhue · · Score: 2

      I have no idea where the author of the article got that idea. It's the stupidest thing I've heard for a long while. If you look around the Fastap site, you'll find that you do actually hit the recessed number, and it manages to ignore hits that may be generated by accidentally hitting one of the surrounding letters.

      Incidentally, it looks like they also have a credit-card sized QWERTY keyboard, with numbers and symbols in between the letters. That might be interesting to stick onto a PDA.

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  6. Amazing by digitect · · Score: 2

    Every now and then, somebody breaks through with an idea that really changes how we think about things. Fastap is certainly one.

    The best part about this design is that none of us will need to relearn anything. It's easily, almost automatically integratable into our daily lives without having to change our behavior. Certainly this doesn't mean we'll all have one soon. We should, but if we don't, I'll be forever disappointed knowing it existed.

    BTW, wouldn't this concept also work on a PDA virtual keyboard? Seems like somebody could program one for my Palm without too much trouble. Any takers?

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  7. MessagEase by twms2h · · Score: 2, Informative
    Just in case you have not seen it: Another system which I personally like better, is MessagEase. They have got a free (as in beer) software version for PalmOS and a hardware version for mobiles.

    I don't know whether there are actually any mobiles that use it, but that's just because I am one of the few backward people who don't have one. ;-)

    See EXideas' website for details.

  8. What market? by Observer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Interesting approach, though I wonder what market is being addressed. The biggest casual users of text messaging these days are young people and for them a few mispellings will be understood from the context, plus as another commenter has noted more recent phones have built-in dictionaries to speed up message composition (though I've found these more a hindrance than a help - my language style perhaps).

    If you're interested in using a mobile messagingto to actually do significant work, where a mistake can cost time, money, inconvenience, hurt feelings, etc, then I suspect you'd prefer to use something PDA-sized which either has room for a real keyboard or allows you to use a stylus & touchscreen to tap out a message.

  9. Getting used to... by VEGx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That is also true, you need to get used to it.

    But wouldn't it be the same for the new "keyboard"?

    Besides, the dictionary thingie is quite handy. I have to write in Spanish about half of the time. And I'm not exactly Spanish. So it helps me a lot. Although at times it messes up with the "accents." [The future (or first person) is sometimes unknowns for the dictionary.]

  10. Slow off the mark? by Just_Tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Geeks who are still using so-called "multi-tap" input should be ashamed of themselves. Dictionary based methods, T9 (from Tegic/AOL), and iTap (Motorola's equivalent) have been standard on phones for a couple of years now, even if they do have their short-comings.

    If you're not into the legacy layout* you could go with MessagEase or this new thing, but the smart money is on a company called Eatoni, since they have two products (LetterWise and WordWise) which they back up with a big stack of research. There's also Zi Corp. who make eZiText and eZiTap for SMS input.

    If you're interested in the HCI aspect of all this you could do worse than looking at the work of I Scott Mackenzie, Poika Isokoski or Mark Dunlop.

    * 1-800-GOFEDEX anyone? Probably explains why Europe is ahead of the US in this field. That and our ridiculous txt addctn...

  11. Small devices and text input, if you're interested by jatbrowne · · Score: 2, Informative
    There are a surprising amount of input technologies available for phones - or unsurprising if you consider the potential return on something like this: look at AOL's T9, which is available in something like 180 models of phone in 15 languages...

    Anyway, a summary, if you are interested, is that of the solutions proposed so far, most of them fall into a few categories:

    Chorded keyboards: Think microwriter here, or a court reporter's typewriter. The idea is that you get around the small space available for keys by having a group of keys select each character; The microwriter only had four keys for the whole alphabet. The speed of input achievable is quite fast, but the interface is far from easy to learn.

    Full key boards: Usually the complaint is that having all of the keys on one small device is no good for anyone with adult sized fingers.

    Soft, or stylus input: This is just a touchscreen solution. You can either use a stylus - which is probably not convenient for a phone, or your fingers, where you are back to the problem of dealing with small or not enough keys.

    Reduced keyboards: Where you use some method other than chording to input characters on a keyboard with fewer keys than letters in the alphabet(e.g. T9, multi-tap...)

    This new device seems to fit in somewhere between a full keyboard and a chorded keyboard. The novel solution here is that you can fit a full keyboard on by using easy-to-learn chording to signify numbers.

  12. Nokia 5510 by magi · · Score: 2

    See Nokia 5510, it has a largeish split keyboard. Haven't tried it, but I'd imagine it's at least some good.

    And of course, the Communicator has a normal QWERTY keyboard.

    Other Nokia (and most other makers too) have a predictive system. In my 6310i, it seems to work pretty well, although it's not very useful where you need it most often, inputting text in WAP pages. For example, it can't predict your usernames or passwords for wap sites very well...

    Not that I ever send SMSs. Well, maybe one or two per cell phone I've owned, just to see how it works.

    BTW, WAP version of /. would really be cool, you could read all new things on your cell phone (with GPRS of course). The WAP/HTTP gateways don't seem to convert large html pages to wml very well.

  13. TI Calculators by hyyx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I saw the layout, the first thing I thought about was the abcdef-type text input on TI calulators. I spent a lot of time in school putting _notes_ into my TI, and could never get used to the non-qwerty layout. I would not consider this as a time saver for myself.

  14. carrot top by cscx · · Score: 2

    Why, 1-800 CALL-ATT of course!

    Dial down the center; it's free for you and cheap for them!

    Also, then we'd never see any more Carrot Top commercials--wait, that might be a good thing.

  15. Great idea ... but by telstar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They should add a button to raise and lower the letter keys so you get the option of bringing them up for use, or recessing them when not needed.

    1. Re:Great idea ... but by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

      I don't think it works that way. There aren't extra buttons for the letters, the letters simply ride on the existing number buttons and the phone scans for the 'mashing' of number buttons to guess which letter you were aiming for. Like a diagnol on a digital d-pad, its UP plus LEFT, no extra button required.

      This is probably why the idea is going to fail, extra buttons can't cost *that* much more.

  16. Virtual Keyboards by serutan · · Score: 2

    Speaking of cool keyboards, how bout those virtual keyboards on zdnet and elsewhere. They project keyboards on any surface and use cameras to sense where your fingers are. Msn story with a photo. Different model at ananova. I know there's no tactile feedback, but think of the compactness.

  17. the QWERTY story by Mikoca · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For those who don't like the alphabetical layout here, think about where QWERTY came from and that this is supposed to replace cell phone keyboards which are already alphabetical, and not computer keyboards.

    1. Re:the QWERTY story by mughi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, that article is inaccurate.

      It states that their "salesmen used this slight bit of subterfuge to impress potential customers"... However it failed to get into the typewriter "shoot-outs" that went on during that period, where manufacturers would pit their machines against each other in speed trials. QUERTY came to domminance in those. They world's first and fastest touch-typist also came from the Remingtons' machine promotions. (Look up Frank McGurrin sometime if you care).

      It also cites Navy experiments on the Dvorak layout. However... they forgot to mention that it was only one study, compared 14 Dvorak typists to 18 QWERTY typists, and that the experiments were conducted by one Lieutenant-Commander August Dvorak, the navy's top time-and-motion man, and owner of the Dvorak layout patent.

      For more (but slightly slanted against Dvorak) see "The Fable of the Keys"

      (Note that I'm not saying here that Dvorak just the same as QUERTY, but just that QWERTY is much better than some give credit for, and that Dvorak isn't that vastly ahead).

  18. Re:Fatal design flaw! by athakur999 · · Score: 2

    How can they make a QWERTY keyboard when there's only five keys across? It'd just be a QWERT.

    Anyway, since there are only 5 keys across, I doubt the QWERTY arrangement will help any, as the keys will be in different places anyway.

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  19. Re:Diverge from QWERTY at your peril by mughi · · Score: 2
    Well, IANAE(I am not an Ergonomist {of whatever the term is})but I think it's because everybody already knows the order.

    Ahhhh. Same thing earlier designers (such as those on the early Sharp Wizards) thought. Then studies were done and it was found that due to the breaks in the sequence (not all on one line) people unfamiliar with either layout were slowed by the alphabetical layout just as much as for the QWERTY ones). Then also that the slowdown goes away once the layout was learned. So there are no real benefit from going alphabetical aside from some following incorrect intuition.

    It slowed down those who knew QWERTY, and made no difference to those who didn't

  20. Re:Fatal design flaw! by cybergibbons · · Score: 2

    Keyboards designed in the 80s? What are you on about. The QWERTY keyboard was developed in the 1860s not the 1980s, and it was a competing system to the Dvorak keyboard. Both were to slow down typists to stop the keys jamming on typewriters.

    Get a clue.

  21. Re:Fatal design flaw! by hackerhue · · Score: 2

    Whoa. If you're going to correct someone, at least get your facts straight. Dvorak wasn't created until the 1920s/1930s. The Dvorak was created to increase typing speed, rather than to decrease it, by putting the most commonly used letters on the home row. I forget the exact number, but It's something over 80% of the letters typed in a normal English text would be on the home row.

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  22. Re:Fatal design flaw! by cybergibbons · · Score: 2

    Dvorak was still required to slow the typist dow - but it was thought that QWERTY wasn't the best way of doing it. I didn't say anything about when Dvorak was developed. And QWERTY certainly wasn't developed in the 1980s.....

  23. Re:T9 + keypad != speed by joto · · Score: 2
    I will help speed up your typing, if you are using an alphabet with more than 26 characters, which most languages except english do.

    Typically, in european languages, the new letters would be accented and diacriticated (is that a word?) versions of the normal letters. So T9 technology would help finding the correct version of the letter with the help of a dictionary. I imagine this would help non-latin alphabets as well, such as hebrew, cyrillic, etc...

    Also, it will reduce the number of guesses T9 would have to do. For short words, there are often several candidates, where each letter can be one of three letters (or more). So you have to scroll through a list to find the correct one. If your input is more accurate to begin with, the list of candidate words will be shorter.

  24. Re:Are you on crack? by joto · · Score: 2

    DOVARK? I guess you mean dvorak? It was designed for typewriters as well. (although it is newer, and has been quite succesfull at creating a myth of it's superiority, despite the lack of any good scientific studies to back this claim).