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China Invents Solid Water

Drew N. Taylor writes: "The 'solid water', which is packed in degradable paper, is not pollutive and can be placed deep in the earth together with the root of plant. With the help of microbe, the 'solid water' is gradually dissolved to irrigate the root of plant."

83 comments

  1. Ripped off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Chinese didn't "invent" anything new. They ripped off this idea from here

    1. Re:Ripped off by mobydobius · · Score: 1

      Wow. If that is the case, we could have a good old fashioned international patent fight on our hands. The Chinese Intellectual Property Office gave a patent to theShenyang Senlu Solid Water Company, and I would imagine DriWater (or someone else here) has one, too.

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      "I like to wear big boy pants."
    2. Re:Ripped off by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Actually, I beleive the story mentions that the Chinese solid water is polymer based, while Driwater is not.

      So, I don't think that a patent issue will come up. Differnt techniques.

    3. Re:Ripped off by mobydobius · · Score: 1

      Got it. I always forget how specific a patent has to be, and how limited they end up being as a result. Its the one positive out there on patents, IMHO.

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      "I like to wear big boy pants."
    4. Re:Ripped off by K-Man · · Score: 2

      Polyacrylamide is a polymer.

      It looks like the Chinese might have a new compound, but it's not a revolution in any sense of the term. Diapers have been using these for years.

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      ---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
  2. Hmm... by Drakin · · Score: 1

    Now the ovious Joke...

    So they invented ice in china?

    1. Re:Hmm... by ptbrown · · Score: 2

      Industrial Colloidal Electrolyte

      --
      Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
    2. Re:Hmm... by terrymr · · Score: 1

      That was my first though too :-)

  3. is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

    or is there a significant anti-china attitude in the american (general slashdot? i hope not) populace?

    it is really sad... given that China is the next world superpower... and we can only bask in our ignorance, self-indulgence, arrogance, and naievete for so long....

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    1. Re:is it just me by Drakin · · Score: 1

      I think it's less anti china and more an anti communist thing.

      Normal reasoning is Communism = Bad.

    2. Re:is it just me by susehat · · Score: 1

      Yea, I think Many like the Chinese and respect them, but really dislike the commie government there. Were they socialist, or even more capitalist, we would like them more. This is all

    3. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

      I don't get the hatred of communism either... i can understand the dislike of the chinese gov't... but they're not communist. (read marx. trust me, they're not communist. neither was USSR. n. korea isn't either.)

      but i have to agree with them sometime. (i.e. one child policy... an open gov't couldn't handle 1.3 billion people.)

      and if they are anything they are a largely centralized socialist government. the provide social services... with a(sometimes too) strong arm.

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    4. Re:is it just me by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Hatred isn't a logical thing. I'm fully in agreement of what exists isn't communism (communism, the pure verion would work well, but there are too many flaws in human nature to accept it at this time.)

      But, it's a title they claimed, and the Americanpublic has been subject to Anti Communism propaganda for so long... it's a sort of brain washing...

    5. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      For me it's not Communism that I dislike, it's the fact that free speech is suppressed in China. If the gubment was Commy and people could speak freely, then I say no problem. But when a man or woman cannot speak and write in criticism of anything they wish, then that's wrong, and that government is wrong.

    6. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 2, Offtopic

      "But, it's a title they claimed, and the Americanpublic has been subject to Anti Communism propaganda for so long... it's a sort of brain washing..."

      which is funny.. because that is what we claim china does. (which they do.)

      the funny part is that the american's are better at it. we have free speech. we have freedom of the press. but we are still pack animals.

      individualism, in its true form, isn't popular here in america. we like to feign individualism a lot... but we are more content "going with the flow."

      which is why it is more effective brainwashing. we actually believe what we do is of our own volition... but it isn't. it is exactly what the media, gov't, popular celebrities tell us to think. it's pathetic.

      (disclaimer: there are the exceptions. but there are the exceptions in china too)

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      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    7. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      free speech. it is oppressed here as well.

      example:
      after sept. 11th i took every chance i could to say that i was against military action overseas. (and that we are partially responsible for the events on 9/11 and we have to change our foreign policy, not our military strategy, if we hope to stop future attachs)

      i recieved SO much hate (e)mail, bad looks, sneering comments, and questioning by my higher ups. like i was a terrorist or something. like i didn't feel sympathy for the people who died.

      but that's total crap. i don't want it to happen again. that's why i protest military action.

      but anyway. that's my opinion. and they (society) took every means to suppress it.

      and it isn't a case of "but that's the nature of people. the gov't didnt' do anything," because they did.

      but first, media (with a touch of gov't)

      i remember one night on the alan keyes show..

      i don't quite remember the guests, but i think they were two senators. one was "go war! let's kill those bastards." and the other one was "but i think that won't end the problem.. just lighten the symptoms for a little bit"

      alan responded to the (peaceful) senator, "that's unamerican! to think that you would allow, even support, terrorism!"

      and the senator shut up. not another anti-war peep from him. that's the pathetic entity we call our government. they think they'll lose votes.. and they fold.

      and so the gov't. bush has made it all too clear that we are either "with us (him) or against us(him"
      which makes anyone who says "down with the american government as we know it today" or simply "no war! let us find a way to nurture mutual respect.. with the first, second, n-times until it works, steps being made by us." is unamerican. you are blacklisted. like the 50s. you're arab and you don't tatoo our flag on your body? you're blacklisted.

      but it isn't unamerican. it is as american as you get. like jefferson, who held his interpretation of the constitution over everything, we have to keep the idea of free speech alive... but the current gov't disallows it.

      just like china does.

      oh. and how many anti-american books can you find on bn.com that don't end in "do it's not really america's fault" or "and they said sorry"? (esp. with good reviews)

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    8. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 2

      You've got your free speech, it wasn't supressed at all. Were you thrown in jail, charged with crimes of treason or some such thing?

      No?

      Then you had free speech. Just because others around you reacted badly to what you had to say, doesn't mean that you were oppressed.

      You are free to speak, but you cannot make others listen.

    9. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 2, Interesting

      what about all the arab men who were put into holding for questioning after 9/11 unwillingly?

      (some of which are still there)

      or what people say the FBI and CIA did against the American Indian Movement or the Black Panthers?

      Or the internment of japanese?

      or the "pennsylvania dutch" that didn't believe in the war during WWII so the gov't split them up around the country and two wound up dead.

      and, of course, mccarthyism.

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    10. Re:is it just me by Cplus · · Score: 2

      I don't hate the Chinese people, I hate the human rights violations commited by their government. You know, the ones which are ignored because of the whole "world superpower" thing. From the downtrodden peoples of Tibet to the students in Tianamen Square the outcry has not been loud enough.

      I personally watch for 'Made in China' labels and try not to monetarily support the Chinese. Of course the opposite could be argued, that by pumping more money into the capitalist ends of their country we might help to swing them our way..........but meh.

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      "Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
    11. Re:is it just me by rickbrodie · · Score: 1

      I never really understood the American attitude to communism. I mean, I can sort of get that american society is founded on the deeply ingrained belief in individualism and the pursuit-of-wealth thing. And I can see that they would think any ideology which would try to take their hard earned money away from them and give it to the "less fortunate" (the workshy bastards) would be evil. But I find it hard to understand how americans seem to come to this, obviously well considered, conclusion despite having virtually no experience or first-hand knowledge of any other system apart from capitalism.

    12. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

      i agree with you "don't by 'made in china' items"... but that's because when you do buy them, you're supporting big U.S. corperations, not chinese ones.

      as for human rights violations. i'll give you that. it is an area that much improve greatly.

      i wouldn't mind a list of the countries you do support... so i could write what human rights violations they have made.

      oh. not to mention the ones that america makes. an obvious one being going into poor countries and (practically) enslaving the people there so you can buy cheap sneakers and radios.

      and how many military coups have we supported in order to not have a communist regime come into power? (pinoche ring a bell, osama bin laden ring a bell? trust me, the list goes on and on... like president diem in vietnam. he was as bad as the communists. and the nationalists in china were worse than the communists... but we supported them... and if you want to go back farther in history... oh it is sick what we did. andrew jackson's generals used to, on orders from the top, use slaughtered indians scrotums as bullet cases.. and took strips of their skin as reins for their horses. or look at our imperialistic endevours... it just keeps getting worse...)

      so, i support the fight for human rights. that's why i haven't bought a peice of clothing for 3 years... and when i have to... i'll get something that i either made myself or know precisely how it was made and by whom under what conditions.

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    13. Re:is it just me by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      I don't have to take up smoking to see that it isn't good for me. I think we can take a look at the communist/socialist governments around the world and get a good idea that they don't work to well for the average citizen.

      There are some socialist countries in Europe that seem to have a decent standard of living, etc, but anything based on a totalitarian regime that ignores certain basic human rights is ipso facto not a good thing.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    14. Re:is it just me by j_kenpo · · Score: 1

      "it is really sad... given that China is the next world superpower... and we can only bask in our ignorance, self-indulgence, arrogance, and naievete for so long...."

      Wow, the Chinese invent something and now their ready for world domination..... this should have made news earlier....

    15. Re:is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you think you're bright, maybe even clever. Well...those around you have two options.
      1. We point you to a few history books so you can learn what a truly repressive government does.
      or
      2. We let you live on cluelessy, exercising your given right as a U.S. Citizen to walk around completely oblivious to history and the gifts that you have around you everyday.

      There is one small thing I should tell you. If you aren't spouting off in order to show your convictions in a public format, you're probably wasting your time. Anyone who agrees will nod their head mechanically, and those who disagree probably dismissed you as hopelessly naive about two comments ago. Just saying. By the way, you should be marked WAY THE FUCK off topic.

    16. Re:is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that we are one of the few major supporteers of the death penalty. And worst yet, the technology was developed for testing DNA and govner bush offered up to the few cases that were airtight. To the ones that were questionable, govner bush denied.
      Fortunatly, we are not totally horrible. Illinois offered it up to border line death penalties and showed that only half of those were bad, so they stop it.

    17. Re:is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History books are always written by a governments POV. Consider that Columbus discovered america and then we (ex-europeans) came here in peace. At least that is what the history books read about 50 years ago. Likewise, many books left out the treatments that japenese americans received here in our guest camps (one of them is a short ways from where I currently live; it was not pretty).
      During desert storm we were shown what our government wished us to see (shades of vietnam). Where the BBC showed the trenches (with literally millions of iraqies being burned), we were shown how clean pics. Don't get me wrong. Given the choice of them or us, it is them. But we americans need to get past our own ignorance.

      Just out of curiosity, have you ever lived in china? or do you simply speak out of total ignorance?

    18. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the stupid solid water... I spend half my life in China studying china... trust me... it's the next (co)superpower.

      or don't believe me... and if you're alive in 30 years... just see it

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    19. Re:is it just me by Cplus · · Score: 1

      You respond to me assuming that I'm American.....funny. I wasn't trying to imply that the Chinese government was the only one in the world with problems, just stating that I take issue with their problems. I take issue with many problems including your lack of comprehension.

      And btw, buy some new clothes, you're starting to smell.

      --
      "Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
    20. Re:is it just me by ObviousGuy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      China is only concerned with insular affairs. Take the recent N. Korean incident with the Japanese embassy into consideration. If the Japanese had paid attention to Chinese international relations with regard to the outside world, they would have realized that the Chinese government has no real empathy nor special hatred for any other country's citizens.

      The Korean War is a very good example of this attitude. China early on made it clear to the American government that any incursion onto Chinese soil would result in retaliation, but implicit in the statement was that they would not retaliate against anything short of a physical incursion. Thus when the U.S. pushed deep into N.Korea, they didn't find any Chinese resistance. It wasn't until they decided to push into Chinese territory that the Chinese tanks rolled onto the scene and beat the U.S. forces back to the 32nd Parallel. If the strategists had paid enough attention, the Korean penninsula would be unified under a democratic government.

      What is the point of all this? Well, it's that China couldn't care less about anything other than itself. It cares about Taiwan because it believes that it is just a rogue state that has strayed and needs to be brought back into the fold. It cares about open markets because it knows that the influx of Western money is the key to supporting its teetering government. It cares about its international pride, thus supplying the impetus to upgrade its rocket launching capabilities and suggesting Chinese moon bases.

      It does not care about other countries except in relation to how they affect the motherland. In the previously mentioned case of the N.Korean refugees, if the Japanese had taken the Chinese attitude into consideration, they could have avoided the stupid mistakes of publicly demanding the return of the refugees and instead worked with the Chinese government in secret, like the Nixon administration did in opening China to foreign markets, to get them back.

      So the bottom line of all this is that China doesn't have the urge to become the star at the center of the world stage. It is quite content to be all powerful in its sphere of influence, which is militarily all of Asia and economically global. It has never stepped beyonds its own perceived borders since the Cultural Revolution. China knows its priorities and none of them include risking its military for foreign conquest or supporting foreign countries. The support for such military actions is non-existant among the populace and has little to no support in the government. That's what 5,000 years of History will do to a country.

      The only thing that seems to motivate the Chinese is the prospect of making a mint off the West and on the backs of its citizens. Like Japan after WWII, they have in place programs to strengthen business and keep their economy growing. However, China will not go to war to settle international trade disputes because such a course of action would be completely contrary to the actions of an international trade partner. If China were to upset the U.S. they would lose their largest trading partner and would risk the collapse of their economy and subsequently their government.

      No, unless China's government is replaced by a modern, moderate, socialist democratic government they will never become the world power you imagine they will be. The government as it stands is too focused on maintaining itself and too oblivious to outside events that they can't ever become de-stultified enough to allow its citizens the requisite freedoms to become a world superpower.

      If they had a colonial history like Russia this would be a different conversation. They do not have the evangelical Communist spirit that characterized the Russian system, the system that brought to loggerheads the Soviets and the Americans. The fact is that except for occasional stupidity on the Americans' part, China and the U.S. have never come to blows.

      To be a world superpower, a country must be able to look beyond its borders and protect, threaten, or in some other way affect other countries' internal affairs. To date, China has done nothing of the sort with any affect. They are neither a stabilizing force in their region (India vs. Pakistan, civil war in Indonesia, N.Korea vs. S.Korea, etc.), nor a destabilizing force anywhere in the world. In toto the Chinese effects do not extend past its borders.

      China will never be a superpower along the lines of America or the U.S.S.R. for two reasons. First is that they do not have the military might to seriously threaten the principal global superpower, the United States. Second, the future of the Chinese government is wholly based on its ability to generate capital through open trade with the international community. If the first problem is corrected, the backlash of the U.S. would be to withdraw financial support of the country, causing the government to lose its ability to keep its citizens sedate. If the second problem were solved by the admission of Western-style freedoms, it would mean a peaceful transition from the old hard-fisted totalitarian government to a new open-handed democratic beauracracy which would be very encouraging for trade and peace worldwide. But such a course of action would also be an admission of China's own failure to govern themselves well for the last 50-odd years, and as a result put them in a subordinate position much like Germany or Britain to the U.S.

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    21. Re:is it just me by Gaijinator · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered, even for a moment, that not all people want to be individuals? For whatever reason (maybe Darwinism - a society on the threshold of extinction (read: the Ice Age) needs some leaders and some followers), some people prefer to be told what to do. Therefore, these people will follow the pack whether or not organized herding exists. The only concern should be whether or not the government, not other citizens or specific government officials with no real power over you, are restricting your rights.

      This is not to say that I believe the United States is wholly innocent of brainwashing, etc, but that, surprisingly, we do not yet live in a totalitarian state. I too am annoyed at restrictions in my freedoms, but more often than not, they come from the people themselves (e.g. not being allowed to 'offend' anyone for fear of legal action, even if they would lose in court). It's pointless to blame the government for things it hasn't done yet.

      (Of course, twenty years down the road, after all these fun DMCA-like bills are passed, we may have plenty to blame the government for.)

      --
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    22. Re:is it just me by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      but you're not in prison now, that's a major difference

      remember communism doesn't start with concentratin camps, that's where it ends

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    23. Re:is it just me by grokk · · Score: 1

      You've got your free speech, it wasn't supressed at all. Were you thrown in jail, charged with crimes of treason or some such thing?

      No?

      Then you had free speech. Just because others around you reacted badly to what you had to say, doesn't mean that you were oppressed.

      The western world is full of complaisant people like you who don't get it.

      They will indeed throw people in jail -- as they begin to 'lose control' of the internal domestic situation. That they've not done it on a level that you recognize as 'police state-ish' is more a reflection of specific U.S. imperial history, than any supposed quality of U.S. democratic values. Many people have indeed been jailed for free speech; even assassinated: check out any 'Anti-Globalization' demo for recent, 'trivial' examples of the former -- or do only long-term, high-profile dissidents pass muster?

      The U.S. has always been a 'low-intensity police state' -- and an Evil Empire for that matter: it's simply massacred most of its indigenous peoples, and shipped the rest off to concentration camps/reserves -- where they are militarily assaulted to this very day.

      Your much-vaunted right to free speech is pretty much 'for show' only, fella;
      soon-to-be-revoked, looks like.

    24. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The western world is full of complaisant people like you who don't get it.

      The umpire has to call the ball now. You're obviously an IDIOT.

      Compliant like me? How compliant do you think I am? If people get locked up for speaking what do you think I'm going to do? Duck and cover?

      No, fool. I'll be protecting YOUR ass and your right to speak.

      I get it CLEARLY. The right to speak ultimately is secured by the people, and must be actively retained by the people. But that's not the situation right now. The original complainant was whining like a baby because nobody was listening to him. He wasn't locked up, he wasn't killed. He spoke, and everyone ignored him.

      No problem with freedom of speech in his case.

    25. Re:is it just me by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 1

      Not so fast there PD,

      Yes - I was arrested and Yes they charged me with obstruction - all for verbally criticizing the establishment.

      I still think American is a great Country, and I believe in Freedom of Speech as an ideal - but America doesn't really have Freedom of Speech.

      AIK

    26. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 2

      Were you talking, or were you doing something else at the same time, such as trespassing, etc?

      Be honest with me. I seriously doubt that you were arrested for talking.

    27. Re:is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just one question:

      When the government was breaking up the KKK, was interrogating and arresting only whites racial profiling?

      Shouldn't the government have gone around interrogating and arresting blacks for the crimes of the KKK, too?

  4. Forget Desert forestation by mobydobius · · Score: 1

    The article says this product could be used in afforestation efforts/ desert growing. I say, "Screw that!" I want to use this product because I am a really lazy gardener.

    Imagine, I can plant a tree without worrying about any kind of watering scheme. By the time the water gel-pack wears out, the tree has set up a self-sustaining root system.

    --

    "I like to wear big boy pants."
    1. Re:Forget Desert forestation by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I can do pretty much the same thing now, without the water block. Just a matter of planting the tree in the ground...

      and not running it over with the lawn mower...

    2. Re:Forget Desert forestation by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Paciffic Northwest?

      *looks outside*

      I do beleive that I happen to be in the praries/Canadian Shield region of the continent... a long bloody way from the Pacific Northwest.

  5. The Chinese make trouble for themselves... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    The Chinese make trouble for themselves by being very backward in their form of government. Their is still the feeling in China that only the Chinese are truly civilized. The Chinese often have a very cold-hearted way of relating to each other.

    It is easy to romanticize about China. However, they have big, big problems. They are not close to being as influential in world thinking as developed countries. Remember, maybe 800,000,000 are uneducated peasants.

    1. Re:The Chinese make trouble for themselves... by dalutong · · Score: 1

      "The Chinese often have a very cold-hearted way of relating to each other. "

      are you kidding? if anyone has a cold-hearted way of relating to eachother it's americans. we cut eachother off on the highway. we hold gossip supreme. we are totally self-absorbed.

      i'm not saying a lot of chinese aren't like that. but they are more friendly on the whole. i remember when i lived there (white american, but grew up in china) i used to be able to walk up and down my apartment stairwell and say hey to all my co apartment habitants on my way up because they left their doors open.

      they would invite me to meals. that was a big deal, meals. lunch break is long in china so the lunch can be festivious.

      and people fight over who can pay. for a long time to.. and sincerely. i don't see that happen (much) in america.

      china's all about loving your family and friends.

      i will admit though, one of china's social problems is that they look out for their family a little too much. and unless their family is doing REALLY well... they don't go out and help at community centers or anything. (to americans credit, they do... though some may want to go home and help there some more)

      "However, they have big, big problems. " agreed.
      "maybe 800,000,000 are uneducated peasants. " that's one of them.

      "They are not close to being as influential in world thinking as developed countries"

      but remember. 1,300,000,000 - 800,000,000 = 500,000,000... more educated people than america has... so they are on their way up. you don't need 1.3 billion people to be on top. look at us. maybe (being generous) 25% of our population controls alot of the world's future and wealth (for now)

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      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
  6. Chinese Piracy by hound3000 · · Score: 1

    > The invention has passed the official approval by the city government and received a patent from the State Intellectual Property Office.


    Now seeing as how China pirates enough of our stuff to be awarded their own DVD zone, do we get to work around their patent? Or would that be against the good for the communist people? (Tounge in cheek...)
  7. ice 9? by random735 · · Score: 1

    let's just make sure it doesn't come anywhere near any of our normal water!

    1. Re:ice 9? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wondering, what story/novel/movie/game/whatever are you referring to? I tried google but didn't find anything that made sense.

    2. Re:ice 9? by random735 · · Score: 1

      Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut

  8. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    was getting people to believe he doesn't exist. The ability of such a psychological attack to deter further speech appears to have accomplished such a trick. First, why don't you tell me how being thrown in jail or charged with crimes of treason has an effect on speech. By one logic, they are merely bad reactions to what the person had to say.

    1. Re:The greatest trick the devil ever pulled... by PD · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You are as confused as you are deluded.

  9. That reminds me by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Funny

    LOOK You see 'Root of Plant' GET 'Root of Plant' You now have 'Root of Plant'

  10. Solid water by BuffJoe · · Score: 1

    I invented solid water too! It's in my freezer! It comes in little cubes!

  11. [OT] Why do the front page link that way? by GregWebb · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why, why, why do all sectional stories now have to appear as section.slashdot.org in the front page link? It's annoying!

    Yes, I know that if I only want to see the Science stories I can go to science.slashdot.org, or if I want to see a horrific colourscheme I can go to apache.slashdot.org. However, I _didn't_, I went to main slashdot.org and clicked on a link. This story, for no good reason, took me into the subsection. This gains me nothing (same story is available at the same URL minus the section. at the beginning) and means it ignores my login cookie. So, I either have to log back in (waste of time, irritating) or manually change the URL and redownload the story. On 56k and a larger story, that's not much fun.

    PLEASE, can this stop? It doesn't help anyone, it just wastes time and bandwidth, mine and yours.

    --

    Greg

    (Inside a nuclear plant)
    Aaaarrrggh! Run! The canary has mutated!

    1. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by Yarn · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      AGREED!

      It also makes it irritating to get straight back to the front page, no single click way of doing it that I can see.

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    2. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by rehannan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Huh? Slashdot always remembers my login cookie. What difference does the URL make? Sheesh. I'd say your browser/proxy configuration is messed up.

      If you want a quick way of getting back to the main page, just click that huge "slashdot" logo at the top of every page (or just use the "back" function of your browser).

    3. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by JonMartin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Assuming you use something Netscape-ish:

      Quit Netscape.
      Crack open your cookies file.
      Copy the slashdot.org line.
      Change "slashdot.org" to ".slashdot.org".
      Change the first FALSE to TRUE.

      You should now have a "slashdot.org FALSE ..." line and a ".slashdot.org TRUE ..." line.

      Save, restart Netscape. Problem solved.

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    4. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by GregWebb · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Yes, but the point is that this is something I shouldn't have to do because it's getting round a feature which isn't any use anyway and isn't something newbies will think of.

      Just because I can get round a problem doesn't mean the problem ceases to be.

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    5. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by rehannan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Your problem is non-existent for me. I just tried both IE 6 and Mozilla RC3 under Win2k and both remembered my login settings just fine under all sections (and all I did was log into the main Slashdot page once).

      Once again, I think it's a configuration problem on your end. If most people were having this problem, I'm sure it'd show up in the comments with more frequency.

    6. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by GregWebb · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Mozilla 0.9.9 over here does it - but this discussion misses the point.

      The point is that we now have at least two users experiencing this problem. I certainly haven't done anything funny with the config to break it, either.

      The point is that slashdot insists on linking to section.slashdot.org when there are reports of this throwing away logins, while the same url at slashdot.org does not break logins and produces identical content. IOW, the section.slashdot is breaking something for no good reason, even if not for everyone.

      So, why's it done?

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    7. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by rehannan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Apparantly, it is a problem. Read the FAQ. If you still want to complain, email Taco or something.

    8. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by GregWebb · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sort of...

      What they're saying there is that if I want to view the sections as they are then I must log back in. I don't, though, I'm interested in certain sections as part of Slashdot and others when they reach the front page. I'm _never_ going to the sectional front pages but regularly being taken to the sectional story pages and having to manipulate URLs. Irritating.

      Oh well, maybe this is time for a mail :-)

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  12. One question by Thatmushroom · · Score: 1

    Although this is a great start for speeding the reforesting of desert ecosystems, I see one major problem. Plants generally need a moderately reliable source of water, and this doesn't create an infrastructure solution that would be necessary to start a new ecosystem within an existing one.

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  13. In other news... by jo42 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    An American invents liquid shit.

  14. The United States makes trouble for itself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The United States makes trouble for itself by being very backward in its form of government. It is still the feeling in the USA that only Americans are truely democratic. The Americans often have a very cold-hearted way of relating to each other.

    It is easy to romanticize about the USA. However, they have big, big problems. They are not close to being as influential in world democracy as other developed countries. Remember maybe 200,000,000 are uneducated wage slaves.

  15. Gore? by Innomi · · Score: 1

    Al Gore was here?

  16. Ten bucks by vegetablespork · · Score: 1

    says they'll use this as a way to deliver spam more efficiently into the United States. We need to cut the cable already--it's not as if they aren't censoring the inbound connection; why let them spam us?

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  17. This discussion..... by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 1

    I find it fascinating how a discussion about water dissolved (yeah...I know) into a discussion of China's politics. While yes, there is the opportunity for a patent lawsuit, this development has nothing to do with china's politics. Now that I related this to the discussion, lemme go (sort of) off topic.

    China's government is split. There is the 'old guard' the socialists that lead the behemoth of a beauracracy. Then there are the capitalist/government socialist corporations that the economy, or at least the export economy , is built on. China will soon change drastically, IMHO, but it will be good for the country.

    China is developing a lot of 'new' technology. While the polymer based slow-release water might be a patent infringment, they are jumping ahead in many ways. They are trying to reach the moon 10 years from now. Give them a little credit for taking a bloated government, no 'yro' section in the media, and excess poverty, and making the best of it.

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    1. Re:This discussion..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Taking" a bloated despotic government is not exactly a vitrue. Usually such a government crams itself down people's throats. Poverty then is a natural consequence.

      Yet it's not the worst one. What happens to the people after independent thinking, basic honesty, and respect for people's rights and for life itself have been discouraged for a few generations? All of these things have to be discouraged and twisted by a totalitarian government that wants to remain in power long enough.

      Some Communist countries had it better, others had it worse, but all had it. Every former Communist nation is badly scarred, the longer the Communists ruled it the worse, and China is no exception. No matter who is in charge, 'old guard' or 'new guard', the prison is still there.

      While a totalitarian government is in power, better technology means little more than better control over the population. What do you think happens when the government thinks that some scientists are engaged in a "wrong" kind of research? The only hope is to stay under their radar.

      At least, that my Russian perspective on things -- I saw the last years of the Soviet system, so I know. My hat is off to those Chinese who recognize the criminal nature of their current regime and try to do something about it, be it only teaching their own children to see it. My pity to those who are still blinded by their government propaganda as I was. No thanks to those in the West who thought that the Soviet Union was somehow a great country after having murdered nearly 40 million of its citizens in under 40 years and gagging the rest for the next 30 years.

    2. Re:This discussion..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >They are trying to reach the moon 10 years from now.

      And they will probably reach it and own it. In the mean time, we are so embroiled in politics that we can not do it. e.g. Just as x-33 was about to pay off, bush came in and killed it. Raygun started Space Station, and then Bush and Clinton have turned it into a joke (It should have been a factory type operation rather than piece-meal expensive approach).
      Our current president is embroiled much further in enron than most realize (wait till his personal stock is looked at from may timeframe, on). Our last president lied about having sex. The 2 presidents prior to him lied (I don't remember). Carter told the horrible truth to everybody and the 2 prior to him lied and then pulled a fast one (Nixon should have gone to prison, the same as raygun/bush).
      No, we are far from perfect.

    3. Re:This discussion..... by Satan's+Librarian · · Score: 1
      Did you happen to notice what site it came from? The
      People's Daily is the main voice of their government. That's the 'old guard' you're talking about, and that's why it's political.


      They are being forced into most of the reforms they are implementing by the market and their own people - when the rice farmers that aren't allowed passports or even travel between cities inside China start becoming more educated and aware of the world outside, they get dangerous.


      Eventually, they'll either have to become democratic, or face another revolution. Let's just hope that if the latter occurs, it's better than the last one.

  18. Um.... by Rhinobird · · Score: 2

    This is water susspended in "a kind of macromolecular polymer extracted from animals and plants". Sounds like the Chinese just invented Jello...

    Not that it muh matters because I distincly remember seeing a tv show showcasing this kind of thing 10 years ago, at least.

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  19. It is very poor form by theolein · · Score: 2

    When someone from China discovers something that sounds truly useful in a desert environment (And no, it isn't jello, since Jello would dissolve within a day at most, and they specifically mention a macrobe to dissolve the polymer) and this topic turns into an accusation of China's political policies. I would like to make the following notes:

    1.People in countries increasingly threatened with desertification, like much of North Africa or Australia, could make very very good use of this, and I very much doubt that they will care where this comes from.
    2.China is *not* heaven and is *not* a democracy and *is* communist and has been threatening Taiwan for decades and did invade Vietnam twice. However people live there and some seem to be quite proud of their country, irrespective of or because of what it does.
    3.The USA is *not* heaven and *is* a democracy and has been threatening Cuba for decades, invaded Vietnam once amongst others. However people live there and some seem to be quite proud of their country, irrespective of or because of what it does.
    4.I don't think all that many Americans know what Communism is apart from what they have gathered on supposedly "free" media such as CNN, etc. Economic factors in the media can force quite a lot to be changed in order to support certain views, or do you think CNN supports all news items equaly and fairly (/. vs. Microsoft for example)?
    5.I also think that many Chinese have no idea what the so called free world is like. Their news isn't free either. But perhaps they accuse some US scientist of being a fascist (eg. Oppenheimer) although he did have a human side as well, even if one were pressed to see it.

    It depends on where you're looking from.

    1. Re:It is very poor form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > 3.The USA is *not* heaven and *is* a democracy

      For suitably small values of "democracy"...

  20. no ice jokes here by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    I'm still trying to figure out how the chinese are taking credit for what magicians did a long time ago... I mean, who here hasn't thrown that white powder into a toilet to turn all the water in it into a solid gel?

    It's worth it to see the look on your roommates face when his poop is floating on top of the "water."

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    1. Re:no ice jokes here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Question: how did you flush it afterwards?

  21. Ewww... commie water! ::laughs:: by atatakami · · Score: 1

    But seriously- I wonder, assuming they ever put up that moonbase, what the possibilities are for this stuff up there?

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  22. That's nothing! Look what I invented! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yessiree, folks, step right up and buy your share of the future! It's all right here int this little package-
    Introducing "Powdered Water"!!! Just add water, and you have all the cool, refreshing water you need!
    Please, folks, there's plenty to go around...
    Huxley

  23. I think you're forgetting a few points here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Namely:

    6. All communists deserve to die.

    7. As a correction to point 3, the USA isn't, never was, nor will it probably ever be a democracy. I don't think you have a leg to stand on in claiming that not "all that many Americans know what communism is" in light of this. The USA is a republic that is, in many ways, democratic. This is not a difference of perspective. It's a difference of fact. Fact is not a matter of perspective.

    On a similar note, the People's Republic of China isn't communist. It's generally understood that nations that call themselves "communist" are not so, but are striving to BECOME the communist ideal, which is, of course, entirely infeasable in reality. Which means such governments can get away with nearly anything, claiming it will help the nation reach the communist ideal. It's an ideology based in ignorance, and fueled by ignorance.
    8. The US threatens Cuba and tried to assassinate Castro because the US doesn't like the prospect of a hostile and potentially nuclear nation 90 miles off its coast. China has been threatening Taiwan because the Chinese government set up camp there after Mao took over the mainland. Taiwan is calling itself the Republic of China, and they are, much like the US, a democratic republic. Taiwan doesn't threaten the PRC in any military way.

    So, as far as your parallelism goes, the US has a legitimate interest in Cuba, while the People's Republic of China has no such legitimate interest in Taiwan.

    9. Blindly assuming CNN is the crowning glory of American news is pure ignorance fueled by a lack of real points to make. The beauty of non-communist systems is that one doesn't need to rely on one single source for news, and those sources aren't edited by the government to remove subversive content. I'm sure you're right in claiming that many Chinese are in the dark as to the true State of the Planet, and this is a result of Orwellian brainwashing. I'm sure that, at times, the US government has tried to do the same thing, but it's significantly harder when your citizens aren't obliged to take the government's word for it, and can go straight to the primary sources themselves. No, the US government has to resort to actually CAUSING the things they want people to see/know/believe, rather than just lying and SAYING those things happened.

    In conclusion, it does not depend on where you're looking from, it simply depends on whether or not you're a fucking idiot.

    Ciao.

    1. Re:I think you're forgetting a few points here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously don't know jack shit about Chinese history, so why pretend you do?

      Taiwan doesn't threaten the PRC in any military way.

      Bullshit. Taiwan has always threatened the PRC in a military way. For at least 20 years, the mentality has been, "tomorrow will be the day we take back the Mainland". Until, of course, they realized that with 1/250th of the landmass and 1/60th of the population, it's impossible. Even up to this day, the Mainland is still officially part of the R.O.C., according to the R.O.C. constitution. The only fitting "description" of the relation between the PRC and the ROC is that it's an unfinished civil war. Even Korea or Germany are bad analogies, because those two have/had relatively even divisions. In this case, all of the cards are on one side (fortunately or not).

      So, as far as your parallelism goes, the US has a legitimate interest in Cuba, while the People's Republic of China has no such legitimate interest in Taiwan.

      Again, bullshit. Invading a totally unrelated neighboring country because they are a nuclear power and won't bend to your every whim is okay; yet preventing one of your own states who fought you in a civil war, but now wants to secede is not? Let's see how you legitimize the American Civil war now...

  24. Ah, well... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    At least I have acheived parity.

    You on the other hand are more deluded than you are confused. If you were to become more confused, it would no doubt be an improvment, for then your mental state would reflect your situation.
    Yes, you are undoubtedly more deluded than I am.

    1. Re:Ah, well... by PD · · Score: 1

      Parity? What are you talking about?