Slashdot Mirror


China Invents Solid Water

Drew N. Taylor writes: "The 'solid water', which is packed in degradable paper, is not pollutive and can be placed deep in the earth together with the root of plant. With the help of microbe, the 'solid water' is gradually dissolved to irrigate the root of plant."

58 of 83 comments (clear)

  1. Ripped off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Chinese didn't "invent" anything new. They ripped off this idea from here

    1. Re:Ripped off by mobydobius · · Score: 1

      Wow. If that is the case, we could have a good old fashioned international patent fight on our hands. The Chinese Intellectual Property Office gave a patent to theShenyang Senlu Solid Water Company, and I would imagine DriWater (or someone else here) has one, too.

      --

      "I like to wear big boy pants."
    2. Re:Ripped off by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Actually, I beleive the story mentions that the Chinese solid water is polymer based, while Driwater is not.

      So, I don't think that a patent issue will come up. Differnt techniques.

    3. Re:Ripped off by mobydobius · · Score: 1

      Got it. I always forget how specific a patent has to be, and how limited they end up being as a result. Its the one positive out there on patents, IMHO.

      --

      "I like to wear big boy pants."
    4. Re:Ripped off by K-Man · · Score: 2

      Polyacrylamide is a polymer.

      It looks like the Chinese might have a new compound, but it's not a revolution in any sense of the term. Diapers have been using these for years.

      --
      ---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
  2. Hmm... by Drakin · · Score: 1

    Now the ovious Joke...

    So they invented ice in china?

    1. Re:Hmm... by ptbrown · · Score: 2

      Industrial Colloidal Electrolyte

      --
      Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
    2. Re:Hmm... by terrymr · · Score: 1

      That was my first though too :-)

  3. is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

    or is there a significant anti-china attitude in the american (general slashdot? i hope not) populace?

    it is really sad... given that China is the next world superpower... and we can only bask in our ignorance, self-indulgence, arrogance, and naievete for so long....

    --

    What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    1. Re:is it just me by Drakin · · Score: 1

      I think it's less anti china and more an anti communist thing.

      Normal reasoning is Communism = Bad.

    2. Re:is it just me by susehat · · Score: 1

      Yea, I think Many like the Chinese and respect them, but really dislike the commie government there. Were they socialist, or even more capitalist, we would like them more. This is all

    3. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

      I don't get the hatred of communism either... i can understand the dislike of the chinese gov't... but they're not communist. (read marx. trust me, they're not communist. neither was USSR. n. korea isn't either.)

      but i have to agree with them sometime. (i.e. one child policy... an open gov't couldn't handle 1.3 billion people.)

      and if they are anything they are a largely centralized socialist government. the provide social services... with a(sometimes too) strong arm.

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    4. Re:is it just me by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Hatred isn't a logical thing. I'm fully in agreement of what exists isn't communism (communism, the pure verion would work well, but there are too many flaws in human nature to accept it at this time.)

      But, it's a title they claimed, and the Americanpublic has been subject to Anti Communism propaganda for so long... it's a sort of brain washing...

    5. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      For me it's not Communism that I dislike, it's the fact that free speech is suppressed in China. If the gubment was Commy and people could speak freely, then I say no problem. But when a man or woman cannot speak and write in criticism of anything they wish, then that's wrong, and that government is wrong.

    6. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 2, Offtopic

      "But, it's a title they claimed, and the Americanpublic has been subject to Anti Communism propaganda for so long... it's a sort of brain washing..."

      which is funny.. because that is what we claim china does. (which they do.)

      the funny part is that the american's are better at it. we have free speech. we have freedom of the press. but we are still pack animals.

      individualism, in its true form, isn't popular here in america. we like to feign individualism a lot... but we are more content "going with the flow."

      which is why it is more effective brainwashing. we actually believe what we do is of our own volition... but it isn't. it is exactly what the media, gov't, popular celebrities tell us to think. it's pathetic.

      (disclaimer: there are the exceptions. but there are the exceptions in china too)

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    7. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 2

      You've got your free speech, it wasn't supressed at all. Were you thrown in jail, charged with crimes of treason or some such thing?

      No?

      Then you had free speech. Just because others around you reacted badly to what you had to say, doesn't mean that you were oppressed.

      You are free to speak, but you cannot make others listen.

    8. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 2, Interesting

      what about all the arab men who were put into holding for questioning after 9/11 unwillingly?

      (some of which are still there)

      or what people say the FBI and CIA did against the American Indian Movement or the Black Panthers?

      Or the internment of japanese?

      or the "pennsylvania dutch" that didn't believe in the war during WWII so the gov't split them up around the country and two wound up dead.

      and, of course, mccarthyism.

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    9. Re:is it just me by Cplus · · Score: 2

      I don't hate the Chinese people, I hate the human rights violations commited by their government. You know, the ones which are ignored because of the whole "world superpower" thing. From the downtrodden peoples of Tibet to the students in Tianamen Square the outcry has not been loud enough.

      I personally watch for 'Made in China' labels and try not to monetarily support the Chinese. Of course the opposite could be argued, that by pumping more money into the capitalist ends of their country we might help to swing them our way..........but meh.

      --
      "Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
    10. Re:is it just me by rickbrodie · · Score: 1

      I never really understood the American attitude to communism. I mean, I can sort of get that american society is founded on the deeply ingrained belief in individualism and the pursuit-of-wealth thing. And I can see that they would think any ideology which would try to take their hard earned money away from them and give it to the "less fortunate" (the workshy bastards) would be evil. But I find it hard to understand how americans seem to come to this, obviously well considered, conclusion despite having virtually no experience or first-hand knowledge of any other system apart from capitalism.

    11. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

      i agree with you "don't by 'made in china' items"... but that's because when you do buy them, you're supporting big U.S. corperations, not chinese ones.

      as for human rights violations. i'll give you that. it is an area that much improve greatly.

      i wouldn't mind a list of the countries you do support... so i could write what human rights violations they have made.

      oh. not to mention the ones that america makes. an obvious one being going into poor countries and (practically) enslaving the people there so you can buy cheap sneakers and radios.

      and how many military coups have we supported in order to not have a communist regime come into power? (pinoche ring a bell, osama bin laden ring a bell? trust me, the list goes on and on... like president diem in vietnam. he was as bad as the communists. and the nationalists in china were worse than the communists... but we supported them... and if you want to go back farther in history... oh it is sick what we did. andrew jackson's generals used to, on orders from the top, use slaughtered indians scrotums as bullet cases.. and took strips of their skin as reins for their horses. or look at our imperialistic endevours... it just keeps getting worse...)

      so, i support the fight for human rights. that's why i haven't bought a peice of clothing for 3 years... and when i have to... i'll get something that i either made myself or know precisely how it was made and by whom under what conditions.

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    12. Re:is it just me by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      I don't have to take up smoking to see that it isn't good for me. I think we can take a look at the communist/socialist governments around the world and get a good idea that they don't work to well for the average citizen.

      There are some socialist countries in Europe that seem to have a decent standard of living, etc, but anything based on a totalitarian regime that ignores certain basic human rights is ipso facto not a good thing.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    13. Re:is it just me by j_kenpo · · Score: 1

      "it is really sad... given that China is the next world superpower... and we can only bask in our ignorance, self-indulgence, arrogance, and naievete for so long...."

      Wow, the Chinese invent something and now their ready for world domination..... this should have made news earlier....

    14. Re:is it just me by dalutong · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the stupid solid water... I spend half my life in China studying china... trust me... it's the next (co)superpower.

      or don't believe me... and if you're alive in 30 years... just see it

      --

      What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
    15. Re:is it just me by Cplus · · Score: 1

      You respond to me assuming that I'm American.....funny. I wasn't trying to imply that the Chinese government was the only one in the world with problems, just stating that I take issue with their problems. I take issue with many problems including your lack of comprehension.

      And btw, buy some new clothes, you're starting to smell.

      --
      "Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
    16. Re:is it just me by Gaijinator · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered, even for a moment, that not all people want to be individuals? For whatever reason (maybe Darwinism - a society on the threshold of extinction (read: the Ice Age) needs some leaders and some followers), some people prefer to be told what to do. Therefore, these people will follow the pack whether or not organized herding exists. The only concern should be whether or not the government, not other citizens or specific government officials with no real power over you, are restricting your rights.

      This is not to say that I believe the United States is wholly innocent of brainwashing, etc, but that, surprisingly, we do not yet live in a totalitarian state. I too am annoyed at restrictions in my freedoms, but more often than not, they come from the people themselves (e.g. not being allowed to 'offend' anyone for fear of legal action, even if they would lose in court). It's pointless to blame the government for things it hasn't done yet.

      (Of course, twenty years down the road, after all these fun DMCA-like bills are passed, we may have plenty to blame the government for.)

      --
      "For success, it is essential you have Thunderball Fists." "I can have such a thing?" "That's right. Thunderball Fists."
    17. Re:is it just me by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      but you're not in prison now, that's a major difference

      remember communism doesn't start with concentratin camps, that's where it ends

      --
      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    18. Re:is it just me by grokk · · Score: 1

      You've got your free speech, it wasn't supressed at all. Were you thrown in jail, charged with crimes of treason or some such thing?

      No?

      Then you had free speech. Just because others around you reacted badly to what you had to say, doesn't mean that you were oppressed.

      The western world is full of complaisant people like you who don't get it.

      They will indeed throw people in jail -- as they begin to 'lose control' of the internal domestic situation. That they've not done it on a level that you recognize as 'police state-ish' is more a reflection of specific U.S. imperial history, than any supposed quality of U.S. democratic values. Many people have indeed been jailed for free speech; even assassinated: check out any 'Anti-Globalization' demo for recent, 'trivial' examples of the former -- or do only long-term, high-profile dissidents pass muster?

      The U.S. has always been a 'low-intensity police state' -- and an Evil Empire for that matter: it's simply massacred most of its indigenous peoples, and shipped the rest off to concentration camps/reserves -- where they are militarily assaulted to this very day.

      Your much-vaunted right to free speech is pretty much 'for show' only, fella;
      soon-to-be-revoked, looks like.

    19. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The western world is full of complaisant people like you who don't get it.

      The umpire has to call the ball now. You're obviously an IDIOT.

      Compliant like me? How compliant do you think I am? If people get locked up for speaking what do you think I'm going to do? Duck and cover?

      No, fool. I'll be protecting YOUR ass and your right to speak.

      I get it CLEARLY. The right to speak ultimately is secured by the people, and must be actively retained by the people. But that's not the situation right now. The original complainant was whining like a baby because nobody was listening to him. He wasn't locked up, he wasn't killed. He spoke, and everyone ignored him.

      No problem with freedom of speech in his case.

    20. Re:is it just me by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 1

      Not so fast there PD,

      Yes - I was arrested and Yes they charged me with obstruction - all for verbally criticizing the establishment.

      I still think American is a great Country, and I believe in Freedom of Speech as an ideal - but America doesn't really have Freedom of Speech.

      AIK

    21. Re:is it just me by PD · · Score: 2

      Were you talking, or were you doing something else at the same time, such as trespassing, etc?

      Be honest with me. I seriously doubt that you were arrested for talking.

  4. Forget Desert forestation by mobydobius · · Score: 1

    The article says this product could be used in afforestation efforts/ desert growing. I say, "Screw that!" I want to use this product because I am a really lazy gardener.

    Imagine, I can plant a tree without worrying about any kind of watering scheme. By the time the water gel-pack wears out, the tree has set up a self-sustaining root system.

    --

    "I like to wear big boy pants."
    1. Re:Forget Desert forestation by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I can do pretty much the same thing now, without the water block. Just a matter of planting the tree in the ground...

      and not running it over with the lawn mower...

    2. Re:Forget Desert forestation by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Paciffic Northwest?

      *looks outside*

      I do beleive that I happen to be in the praries/Canadian Shield region of the continent... a long bloody way from the Pacific Northwest.

  5. Chinese Piracy by hound3000 · · Score: 1

    > The invention has passed the official approval by the city government and received a patent from the State Intellectual Property Office.


    Now seeing as how China pirates enough of our stuff to be awarded their own DVD zone, do we get to work around their patent? Or would that be against the good for the communist people? (Tounge in cheek...)
  6. Re:The Chinese make trouble for themselves... by dalutong · · Score: 1

    "The Chinese often have a very cold-hearted way of relating to each other. "

    are you kidding? if anyone has a cold-hearted way of relating to eachother it's americans. we cut eachother off on the highway. we hold gossip supreme. we are totally self-absorbed.

    i'm not saying a lot of chinese aren't like that. but they are more friendly on the whole. i remember when i lived there (white american, but grew up in china) i used to be able to walk up and down my apartment stairwell and say hey to all my co apartment habitants on my way up because they left their doors open.

    they would invite me to meals. that was a big deal, meals. lunch break is long in china so the lunch can be festivious.

    and people fight over who can pay. for a long time to.. and sincerely. i don't see that happen (much) in america.

    china's all about loving your family and friends.

    i will admit though, one of china's social problems is that they look out for their family a little too much. and unless their family is doing REALLY well... they don't go out and help at community centers or anything. (to americans credit, they do... though some may want to go home and help there some more)

    "However, they have big, big problems. " agreed.
    "maybe 800,000,000 are uneducated peasants. " that's one of them.

    "They are not close to being as influential in world thinking as developed countries"

    but remember. 1,300,000,000 - 800,000,000 = 500,000,000... more educated people than america has... so they are on their way up. you don't need 1.3 billion people to be on top. look at us. maybe (being generous) 25% of our population controls alot of the world's future and wealth (for now)

    --

    What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
  7. ice 9? by random735 · · Score: 1

    let's just make sure it doesn't come anywhere near any of our normal water!

    1. Re:ice 9? by random735 · · Score: 1

      Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut

  8. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    was getting people to believe he doesn't exist. The ability of such a psychological attack to deter further speech appears to have accomplished such a trick. First, why don't you tell me how being thrown in jail or charged with crimes of treason has an effect on speech. By one logic, they are merely bad reactions to what the person had to say.

    1. Re:The greatest trick the devil ever pulled... by PD · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You are as confused as you are deluded.

  9. That reminds me by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Funny

    LOOK You see 'Root of Plant' GET 'Root of Plant' You now have 'Root of Plant'

  10. Solid water by BuffJoe · · Score: 1

    I invented solid water too! It's in my freezer! It comes in little cubes!

  11. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by Yarn · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    AGREED!

    It also makes it irritating to get straight back to the front page, no single click way of doing it that I can see.

    --
    -Yarn - Rio Karma: Excellent
  12. One question by Thatmushroom · · Score: 1

    Although this is a great start for speeding the reforesting of desert ecosystems, I see one major problem. Plants generally need a moderately reliable source of water, and this doesn't create an infrastructure solution that would be necessary to start a new ecosystem within an existing one.

    --
    You zap the moderators with a wand of humor! The moderators resist!
  13. Gore? by Innomi · · Score: 1

    Al Gore was here?

  14. Ten bucks by vegetablespork · · Score: 1

    says they'll use this as a way to deliver spam more efficiently into the United States. We need to cut the cable already--it's not as if they aren't censoring the inbound connection; why let them spam us?

    --

    Call (206) 338-5780 COLLECT for information about a genuine BA, BS, MA, MS, MBA, or Ph.D.

  15. This discussion..... by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 1

    I find it fascinating how a discussion about water dissolved (yeah...I know) into a discussion of China's politics. While yes, there is the opportunity for a patent lawsuit, this development has nothing to do with china's politics. Now that I related this to the discussion, lemme go (sort of) off topic.

    China's government is split. There is the 'old guard' the socialists that lead the behemoth of a beauracracy. Then there are the capitalist/government socialist corporations that the economy, or at least the export economy , is built on. China will soon change drastically, IMHO, but it will be good for the country.

    China is developing a lot of 'new' technology. While the polymer based slow-release water might be a patent infringment, they are jumping ahead in many ways. They are trying to reach the moon 10 years from now. Give them a little credit for taking a bloated government, no 'yro' section in the media, and excess poverty, and making the best of it.

    --
    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)
    1. Re:This discussion..... by Satan's+Librarian · · Score: 1
      Did you happen to notice what site it came from? The
      People's Daily is the main voice of their government. That's the 'old guard' you're talking about, and that's why it's political.


      They are being forced into most of the reforms they are implementing by the market and their own people - when the rice farmers that aren't allowed passports or even travel between cities inside China start becoming more educated and aware of the world outside, they get dangerous.


      Eventually, they'll either have to become democratic, or face another revolution. Let's just hope that if the latter occurs, it's better than the last one.

  16. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by rehannan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Huh? Slashdot always remembers my login cookie. What difference does the URL make? Sheesh. I'd say your browser/proxy configuration is messed up.

    If you want a quick way of getting back to the main page, just click that huge "slashdot" logo at the top of every page (or just use the "back" function of your browser).

  17. Um.... by Rhinobird · · Score: 2

    This is water susspended in "a kind of macromolecular polymer extracted from animals and plants". Sounds like the Chinese just invented Jello...

    Not that it muh matters because I distincly remember seeing a tv show showcasing this kind of thing 10 years ago, at least.

    --
    If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
  18. It is very poor form by theolein · · Score: 2

    When someone from China discovers something that sounds truly useful in a desert environment (And no, it isn't jello, since Jello would dissolve within a day at most, and they specifically mention a macrobe to dissolve the polymer) and this topic turns into an accusation of China's political policies. I would like to make the following notes:

    1.People in countries increasingly threatened with desertification, like much of North Africa or Australia, could make very very good use of this, and I very much doubt that they will care where this comes from.
    2.China is *not* heaven and is *not* a democracy and *is* communist and has been threatening Taiwan for decades and did invade Vietnam twice. However people live there and some seem to be quite proud of their country, irrespective of or because of what it does.
    3.The USA is *not* heaven and *is* a democracy and has been threatening Cuba for decades, invaded Vietnam once amongst others. However people live there and some seem to be quite proud of their country, irrespective of or because of what it does.
    4.I don't think all that many Americans know what Communism is apart from what they have gathered on supposedly "free" media such as CNN, etc. Economic factors in the media can force quite a lot to be changed in order to support certain views, or do you think CNN supports all news items equaly and fairly (/. vs. Microsoft for example)?
    5.I also think that many Chinese have no idea what the so called free world is like. Their news isn't free either. But perhaps they accuse some US scientist of being a fascist (eg. Oppenheimer) although he did have a human side as well, even if one were pressed to see it.

    It depends on where you're looking from.

  19. no ice jokes here by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    I'm still trying to figure out how the chinese are taking credit for what magicians did a long time ago... I mean, who here hasn't thrown that white powder into a toilet to turn all the water in it into a solid gel?

    It's worth it to see the look on your roommates face when his poop is floating on top of the "water."

    --

    "And like that ... he's gone."
  20. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by GregWebb · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Yes, but the point is that this is something I shouldn't have to do because it's getting round a feature which isn't any use anyway and isn't something newbies will think of.

    Just because I can get round a problem doesn't mean the problem ceases to be.

    --

    Greg

    (Inside a nuclear plant)
    Aaaarrrggh! Run! The canary has mutated!

  21. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by rehannan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Your problem is non-existent for me. I just tried both IE 6 and Mozilla RC3 under Win2k and both remembered my login settings just fine under all sections (and all I did was log into the main Slashdot page once).

    Once again, I think it's a configuration problem on your end. If most people were having this problem, I'm sure it'd show up in the comments with more frequency.

  22. Ewww... commie water! ::laughs:: by atatakami · · Score: 1

    But seriously- I wonder, assuming they ever put up that moonbase, what the possibilities are for this stuff up there?

    --
    "They do not sin at all, who sin for love" -Oscar Wilde
  23. That's nothing! Look what I invented! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yessiree, folks, step right up and buy your share of the future! It's all right here int this little package-
    Introducing "Powdered Water"!!! Just add water, and you have all the cool, refreshing water you need!
    Please, folks, there's plenty to go around...
    Huxley

  24. Re:[OT] Why do the front page link that way? by rehannan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Apparantly, it is a problem. Read the FAQ. If you still want to complain, email Taco or something.

  25. Ah, well... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    At least I have acheived parity.

    You on the other hand are more deluded than you are confused. If you were to become more confused, it would no doubt be an improvment, for then your mental state would reflect your situation.
    Yes, you are undoubtedly more deluded than I am.

    1. Re:Ah, well... by PD · · Score: 1

      Parity? What are you talking about?