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Terrabit Per-Square-Inch Hard Drive

BitGuy writes: "Physics News Update reports that current GMR (giant magnetoresistance) harddisk technology will not achieve terrabit-per-square-inch densities. Experiments with EMR (extra-ordinary magnetoresistive), which exceeds 100Gb/in^2 have been successful in the lab. There is even a diagram of the read head if you're interested."

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  1. Terrabit??? by bioart · · Score: 4, Funny


    Hmm... I wonder how they got dirt and the like to such high density... did they mean Terabit?

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    1. Re:Terrabit??? by I+Am+Cromulus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Poor spelling angers Cromulus.

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    2. Re:Terrabit??? by rtaylor · · Score: 2

      It's a Japanese thing. Mini-bonsai terraforming of the harddrive.

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  2. Huh? by p3d0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What a bizarre way to report the story. The news is not that terrabit densities have been achieved; rather, that GMR will not be the technique that will get us there. Hardly news at all.

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  3. hm.... by elmegil · · Score: 2, Funny
    Terrabit....is that what I'm going to feel when I get to play Doom III?

    OH, you maybe meant "Terabit". As in "a trillion bits". This has been your obligatory spelling flame.

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  4. Who makes up these names? by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 5, Funny
    ... current GMR (giant magnetoresistance) harddisk technology will not achieve terrabit-per-square-inch densities. Experiments with EMR (extra-ordinary magnetoresistive)...

    I'm not buying another one until it comes with Super Duper Magnetoresistance.

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    1. Re:Who makes up these names? by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least it wasn't Extra-sensory Resistance (ESR) ... Though the thought of a psychic HD is a little disturbing... OTOH, it could probably do cacheing a lot better & maybe even improve download times by knowing what you wanted in advance... :]

    2. Re:Who makes up these names? by philovivero · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeh! Who makes up these names? I mean seriously?

      TERRAbit? What next? Venutiabit? Martiabit? Jupitabit?

  5. Story summarized by peter_gzowski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Giant magnetoresistance (GMR) and tunneling magnetoresistance (TMR) hard disk technologies cannot achieve Terrabit per square inch performance. Neither can the "extraordinary" magnetoresistive (EMR) hard disk that is proposed. It is hoped that in the near future "extra-extraordinary" magnetoresistance (EEMR) hard disk technology is developed, and then perhaps "goddamn-extraordinary" magnetoresistance (GDEMR).

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  6. After GMR and EMR, what's next? by Speare · · Score: 5, Funny

    GMR (giant magnetoresistance) harddisk technology will not achieve terrabit-per-square-inch densities. Experiments with EMR (extra-ordinary magnetoresistive), which exceeds 100Gb/in^2 have been successful in the lab.

    After that, comes IMR (improbable magnetoresistive) where the Library of Congress fits in a square inch.

    Finally, new advancements in subatomic physics leads to LMR (ludicrous magnetoresistive), giving more bits of storage than there are atoms on the platter. The "flavor" and "color" of each quark are directly manipulated and sampled by the drive head.

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    1. Re:After GMR and EMR, what's next? by Erris · · Score: 4, Funny
      Finally, new advancements in subatomic physics leads to LMR (ludicrous magnetoresistive), giving more bits of storage than there are atoms on the platter. The "flavor" and "color" of each quark are directly manipulated and sampled by the drive head.

      I'm afraid you jumped directly to plaid.

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  7. What about Solid State Drives? by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    With technology advancing, I wonder about things like Solid State drives. I mean, with mechanical drives getting so small, you would think the next logical step would be to eliminate the mechanicals entirely.

    I recall some things from some years ago where there were even transparent colored cubes that looked like things straight out of Star Trek, but they had problems with the registration. It was next to impossible to reseat the cube exactly correctly so that you could retain access to your data. but obviously, other solutions have worked well.

    I would love for the cost of these things to come down to something reasonable for the consumer. Recalling the old Tandy laptops that some folks still use, one of advantadge of them is their virtual indestructability, all because of the solid state memory drives inside. (admitting they are small, but they work very very well indeed)

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    1. Re:What about Solid State Drives? by Beliskner · · Score: 2
      Solid state might be used as intermediate fast storage, much like TRAM (transactional RAM). But it will NEVER replace mechanical. EMP from a nuke will blow away solid state battery-backed RAM, static electricity as well in hadling. There's nothing simpler than an Ultrium tape. It's just iron filings, which fails in a predictable way so data recovery services will almost always be able to do something. A lightning strike will fry your linux box and all HD controllers (even if you've got RAID-5). So if you're feeling cosy and secure with RAID-5, think again.

      Lightning is like an asteroid hit, it's rare but when it hits a power line or phone line the effect is felt for many miles around. Blowing your modem and working it's way out from there. Your line surge protector *might* protect your PSU from this happening on the mains, then again.....

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  8. Limits by danamania · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Curiously - apart from mass data storage repositories for corporations, does anyone think we'll reach a limit to the amount of data we'll need as individuals?. While we're creeping towards (and will pass) terabyte sized drives and the ability to store every piece of documentation about ourselves, it seems to me (and this may be shortsighted) that all we have left to use is high quality media files relating to our own lives.

    How much would you record of yourself, your actions - in sound, video, feelings if you could... and would you edit it down, or keep everything you could.

    (pondering, more than posting)

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    1. Re:Limits by tftp · · Score: 3, Interesting
      does anyone think we'll reach a limit to the amount of data we'll need as individuals?

      Universe is infinite, probably. There would be no limit. To start with, I wouldn't mind having a local copy of a map of Earth, with resolution to 1cm, in 3D, so that I can "travel" in virtual reality. After that, I'd like to have the same for the sky (astronomy) and nearby planets... Other people could instead prefer a library of all the books, paintings, sculptures, music, photos and movies ever produced, and special publications - as super-detailed images.

    2. Re:Limits by 00_NOP · · Score: 2

      Curiously - apart from mass data storage repositories for corporations, does anyone think we'll reach a limit to the amount of data we'll need as individuals?.

      I wouldn't have thought so - as we synthesize intelligence we we will need to represent more complex relationships and entities.

      Of course, if the universe is finite, then there is a limit on data that can be represented. At least I think so...

    3. Re:Limits by jd142 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Forget recording yourself, the desire to put my av collection right on the hard drive is what's driving me to coninually purchase more drives. I just finished filling up a 50 gig drive with a part of my cd collection. The next step would be to put my dvds on a hard drive as well. I could easily use up 1,000 gigs of data that way, and I don't have nearly as extensive a cd/dvd collection as many people.

      I'm just waiting for someone to pick a feckin' standard for dvd recordable and get the price to closer to 200 dollars, then I'll be able to do away with approximately 6/7ths of my back up cds.

    4. Re:Limits by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      does anyone think we'll reach a limit to the amount of data we'll need as individuals?.

      Not bloody likely in my lifetime. When I can record a month or two of H3DTV on a hard disk THEN, MAYBE, I'll be satisfied.

    5. Re:Limits by Cliff · · Score: 2
      If given enough data storage space, a person will find the data to fill it, whether it be DVDs, CDs, texts, web pages, code, or what have you. Remember when Bill G said "640k should be enough for everyone", back then he was (almost) right. Now it's not unusual to see machines with 1000 times that amount of RAM and 100,000 times that amount in hard drive space. As time progresses, I don't expect this to change.

      I actually think this bit is human nature, as if you take this example and apply it into the physical realm, it almost holds true there as well. If you give a person as much space as they want, they'll fill it as they accumulate stuff. Some people make a conscious effort to cull down their stuff after a while, but many don't unless there's a huge prevailing need to.

      More pondering, but hey, you did ask. :)

  9. It's 6.4516 square-centimeters by jb_nizet · · Score: 3, Funny

    Common, when will you FINALLY adopt standards?
    When you finally do, I'll go drink a pint of beer and a eat a pound of cheese at the pub, two yards from here ;-)

    JB

    1. Re:It's 6.4516 square-centimeters by distributed.karma · · Score: 4, Funny
      Common, when do you adopt proper spelling of "come on"?

      Besides, the USA is progressing towards the metric system, inch by inch, so not to worry.

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    2. Re:It's 6.4516 square-centimeters by rehannan · · Score: 2

      For pity's sake, the word is spelled "centimetres"

      Really?

  10. The sky is not falling. by egarland · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Disk manufacturers have been warning that hard drives will stop getting bigger soon. GMR will hit theoretical limits and there will be nothing to replace it that's better because of magnetic noise limitations.

    What this article is saying is that there is a new technology to move to when GMR hits it's limits. 3.5" drives won't stop at 180 GB per platter in 2 years. EMR will pick up where GMR left off and we should be able to see 1 TB per platter before they need to invent the next new technology.

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  11. Is Mankind never to rest? by dpbsmith · · Score: 2

    "Stop this Progress! Stop it, I say!" --the character Theotocopulos in the screenplay of H. G. Wells' Things to Come. And later:

    Passworthy: "Oh, God, is there ever to be an age of happiness? Is there never to be any rest?"

    Cabal: "Rest enough, for the individual. Too much and too soon and we call it death. But for Man no rest and no ending. He must go on, conquest beyond conquest. First this little planet with its winds and waves. And then all laws of mind and matter that restrain him. Then the planets about him. And at last, out across immensity... to the stars.

    And when he has conquered all the deeps of Space and all the mysteries of Time [quietly, broodingly] still, he will be beginning.

  12. New Slashdot poll by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Funny
    I sugest a poll for the name of the mangnetoresistance effect that will come after giant magnetoresistance and extra-ordinary magnetoresistance:
    1. Even-more-extra-ordinary magnetoresistance
    2. Unbelievable magnetoresistance
    3. Bloody-incredible magnetoresistance
    4. All-powerfull magnetoresistance
    5. Cowboy Neal
  13. Way back when... by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...winchester drives came out, folks were talking about how small the read gaps were and the damage a human hair or a smoke particle could cause if it got between the read head and the platter. Since hard drives were the size of a washing machine, it was pretty amazing to think that a smoke particle could ruin it. Disk drives "fly" the heads as close as they can to the platters to minimize the area being affected by the read/write signaling.

    So at what point does the surface of "perfectly clean" material get so inherently bumpy that it's impossible to go any further without crashing into the random atom that sticks above its neighbors? Given the bumpiness induced by thermal agitation, are hard drives of the future going to have to be cooled just to get the heads in close enough?

    1. Re:Way back when... by ottffssent · · Score: 2

      It's not that the material gets so bumpy it's impossible to go further - you just have to make read heads that can read the data from higher up - the two problems aren't separate. I can't find the link right now, but IBM's press material concerning glass platters includes a micrograph of the surface of a glass platter versus an aluminum platter showing the glass platter to be 60% flatter so the read heads can fly closer to the media without fear of head crashes.

    2. Re:Way back when... by jmichaelg · · Score: 2

      Do you know what the oscillation magnitude is of an atom at 300 K vs 100 K? Does it vary with the solid or is it a constant?

  14. I don't get it either! by newerbob · · Score: 2, Funny
    Why not have "news" stories that say "10 GHz processors not here yet" or "2048 x 1460 LCD displays not yet ready?"

    And I got all excited when I saw that headline! "Finally," I thought, "now there'll be space to store all my pr0n!"

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  15. No cheap solid state drives for quite a while. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

    This comes up every time a storage article is posted.

    It's shot down every time, but it keeps getting re-posted.

    Calculate the cost of the RAM in your computer, per gigabyte. Now, calculate the cost of storage in your hard drive, per gigabyte.

    Notice that the difference is several orders of magnitude.

    In order for solid state drives to be cheaper than magnetic drives, the cost of pick-your-RAM-flavour has to get a HUNDRED TIMES cheaper, while the cost of hard drives has to NOT get cheaper.

    This might happen in the far future if prices drift and keep drifting, but not any time soon.

    You can also make a good argument for it being intrinsically cheaper to manufacture hard drive platters than RAM arrays, but this has been beaten to death already.

    1. Re:No cheap solid state drives for quite a while. by bedessen · · Score: 2

      In case anyone is curious, according to pricewatch, the cheapest memory-for-the-money deals:

      solid state storage: about $356 per gig (256MB = $89)
      hard-drive: about $1.15 per gig (80GB = $92)

      So yeah, it will be awhile before flash becomes reasonable compared to a standard HD.

    2. Re:No cheap solid state drives for quite a while. by rtaylor · · Score: 2

      Bah.. If you start producing 20x more ram I bet the price would drop somewhat.

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    3. Re:No cheap solid state drives for quite a while. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

      Bah.. If you start producing 20x more ram I bet the price would drop somewhat.

      Um, no.

      RAM is already produced in such vast quantities that economies of scale won't give you any further benefit. Think for a minute about how much is used yearly.

    4. Re:No cheap solid state drives for quite a while. by rtaylor · · Score: 2

      Well.. technically we're talking about completly different products. Very very little non-volitile ram is used (retains data without power) which would be needed for a permenant storage device.

      I suppose 20x was misleading. I should have said more like 100K times more.

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    5. Re:No cheap solid state drives for quite a while. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

      Very very little non-volitile ram is used (retains data without power) which would be needed for a permenant storage device.

      I'm afraid vast amounts of this, too, are produced. Flash memory cards are quite common for a wide variety of devices. The retail price you see for flash modules is mostly markup; producing flash RAM is almost as cheap as producing normal RAM (well, per unit die area). You have a couple of extra mask steps for the floating gates, but nothing exotic.

  16. Giant MR? Extraordinary MR? by Caraig · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm waiting for LUDICROUS MR!

    Pass me those plaid HDD lights for my case....

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  17. Of course! by mizhi · · Score: 2

    Ofcourse we'll be able to suck up all that space... we need to have it for all the copies of dvds, cds, and bootlegs that we pirated from the MPAA and RIAA.

    :-)

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  18. Re:In other news by norton_I · · Score: 2

    As near as I can tell from the article, GMR technology was expected to scale to Tb/in^2 densities, but this guy A) thinks that magnetic noise will prevent that density from being achieved, and B) has a (as far as I know) new idea for a technology that is not succeptible to the same type of noise.

    For anyone who cares about things other than where they keep their pr0n and if they will have a fast enough GPU to run Quake n, this is potentially very interesting. I wish more news was like this, and less "Foo Bar Inc. has just released a new 23 terawhoosit widget, brining unprecedented levels of frobing to a consumer device" which should properly be called a press release, not news.

  19. The electron micrograph scan by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's kind of scary looking at the thing that in five or ten years we'll be depending on to store our data, and seeing the huge irregularities in its structure. I suppose the stuff inside computers right now is like that too, but it makes you wonder how they get the precision they need, and why those flaws don't make the things break more often than they do.

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  20. The next step... by gweihir · · Score: 2

    ... will probably be

    IMR = Incredible MagnetoResistance

    and then

    RMR = Ridiculous MagnetoResistance

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  21. Re:mmmm..... by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 2

    like chicken.