Mozilla 1.0 Release Parties

Screaming Lunatic writes "With the release of Mozilla 1.0 almost here, the open source Mozilla community is planning a bunch of parties all over the world. You can choose to attend a party already planned somewhere in the world or start up a party in your own neck of the woods. The main party will be at 8pm Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at the DNA Lounge in San Francisco." Currently 37 parties listed, but many of them look awfully lonely... none near Ann Arbor yet ;)

Comments

No party... but capitolism

[Lumpy]

I plan on burning cd's of OO1.0 and Moz1.0 with both Windows and linux versions on them ready to go.. and then I'm gonna sell the Cd's at the hamfest I'm attending for $5.00 each (covers my costs of CD's cases,label printing, etc...)

I hope to get at least another 100 people using OO and Moz and away from microsoft products...

I have an excellent banner for my booth too..

Hey, if you aren't being an advocate... then you're just dead weight.

Tokyo party

[cxreg]

I see there's one in Tokyo, but I'm disappointed.

It should be called "MOZILLA DESTROYS TOKYO IN MASSIVE RELEASE" or something!

Well,

[MonkeyBot]

...any reason to party is a good reason! I can see it now--RMS drunk on vodka dressed up as Godzilla, Linus up on the turntables spinnin' some wicked trance music, AND NO WOMEN TO BE SEEN FOR MILES!

Re:Well,

[Fiver-rah]

Let's say, hypothetically, that I were a girl. This is easy for me, since I am. And let's also say that I liked mozilla and linux and was relatively rabid about open source. Which is also easy, because all that's true, too. Now, when the first thing people do when talking about some open source party is grouse about how there's gonna be no gurls there, and if there are, they'll all be UG-LY, it doesn't really make me want to go hang out with them.

This is probably going to come as a shock to some of you, but there are girls out there who run linux and like mozilla.

Now, it seems to me that if you're going to all spend your time whining and moaning about how there's no gurls to be found except ugly apes (and even if there were, they'd wreck everything, 'cause they have the cooties), you're going to annoy those of us that are smart, geeky, and reasonably pretty. This creates a self-fulfilling prophecy: you whine; we avoid you.

Now I can't speak for all the other myriad geeky girls our there, but I don't want a guy who's going to:

• Drool over me 'cause I'm pretty, plus I run gentoo
• Act like I'm a horrible aberration, rather than realize that I'm really a harbinger of Droves of Geek Girls To Come.

Seriously people, if you want women to go to your parties, don't alienate them. I know there's not many of us right now, but if you play nice, maybe we'll bring friends, and maybe in another twenty years slashdot will be more like 60/40 instead of 95/5.

Sorry for the rant, but this is only about the billionth time I've seen this particular whine on slashdot. This isn't directed specifically at the original poster, or even anyone who voiced these sentiments on this particular thread. I know it's not everyone, and not even most of everyone, but for those of you who haven't yet figured it out: girls don't like boys who whine about not having girls.

Oh, and I'll probably be at the SF party. :)

Re:Well,

[Pedersen]

Now I can't speak for all the other myriad geeky girls our there, but I don't want a guy who's going to:
* Drool over me 'cause I'm pretty, plus I run gentoo

Now, what about worshipping such a woman? I know of one who is a proto-geek, and I think the absolute world of her. With some patience, and some luck, I'll marry her someday. So, I'm trying to learn everything I can to avoid putting her off, and am worried that, by thinking too highly of her, I might make her desire to leave (this is just one of my worries, and a new one to boot, since I read your post). Care to shed some insight for a hopeful soul?

Re:Well,

[MAXOMENOS]

Now, what about worshipping such a woman?

I can't speak for the parent poster, but my experience is that women (both geeky and non) are much easier to get along with when you're talking with them and not worshiping them. Especially if they're co-workers, or potential co-workers.

If you're attracted to someone, try flirting. If you're afraid of scaring them off with flirting, well, your hoving from a distance because you don't want to frighten them is actually scarrier than your flirting with them. At least with flirting they know what's up.

If you get rejected...hey, it happens. And it's not the end of the world.

Hope this helps.

Party list

[tcd004]

For some reason explorer won't render that list...

Find your ol' Prison Buddies Online

tcd004

Irony...

[LinuxGeek]

JWZ resigned in a very public manner from the Mozilla project and now the official release party is at the DNALounge, the club that JWZ started? Irony abounds..

Re:Irony...

[rnb]

Yep, JWZ threw a hissyfit and declared the whole thing dead. AOL had bought it and would drive it into the ground. Has he posted a retraction yet, or is he the typical arrogant full-of-shit geek?

Sounds to me like he had his own reasons for leaving the project and stands by them:

I even manage to studiously ignore the messages I see every time mozilla.org announces a new alpha release: invariably some twinkie will pop up out of nowhere and claim that the fact that mozilla.org is asymptotically closer to maybe someday actually releasing an end-user product means that somehow I've been proven wrong about something. They usually say something about ``this ought to teach jwz a lesson!'' I just don't get that. My point was not that mozilla.org would never be able to finish the product: my point was that they were already a year late, and showed every indication of being even later. Which they have been: it's now more than two years later, and they still haven't finished it. Even if they had finished it six months ago, my reasons for leaving would still have been valid: that mozilla.org did not manage to ship an end-user product in any kind of reasonable timeframe, and that I was tired of waiting. I had certain goals, and I didn't see those goals being met.

Here ya go...

[Misch]

Here ya go, you're all invited... now why don't you print out a bunch of these onto glossy postcards and leave them around your local college campus like all the promoters do at mine?

Humor: Party and release dates

[Seth Finkelstein]

Oh, this is mean, it's ungrateful ... but I can't resist ...

How many people will show up "fashionably late"? :-)

Sig: What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org)

Spam Bait

[Codex The Sloth]

All those email addresses in spam friendly format! Just think of the fun!

Mozilla on the beach

[SlashdotTroll]

I'm throwing a Mozilla Troll party on the beach. All Trolls invited:

Trollificus
Metrollica
IAgreeWithThisPost
Subject Line Troll
OriginalUsername
Klerck (CmdrTaco)

and

John Carmack

We'll be playing pin the tail on CowboyNeal, after that Frost the Pist, and at night we'll be bobbing for Grunion. The person with the least karma in the Troll Games will be given the lowest latency Internet Access in the world for 1 hour and unlimited posting privileges.

Are there any other people that would like to join the list? Please send submissions to slashdottroll at yahew dot com

None near Anne Arbor yet...

[wowbagger]

Oh give me a break, Rob! If YOU want a party near your home, why don't YOU organize one?

Unlike most people, you have the forum to get the interest in and you can write it off as a business expense!

Seriously - if you want to see a party nearby, MAKE ONE!

(of course, one wonders about the sort of people who would go to a Mozilla release party... will there be many "wimmin of the female persuasion" as a certain squint-eyed sailor might ask...)

Re:None near Anne Arbor yet...

[stienman]

I've requested my entry (ann arbor destroyed by mozilla) be removed to favor Ann Arbor Party in ypsilanti. Please sign up for the Ann Arbor Party, that's where I'll be going...

-Adam

Activities?

[naloxone]

Hey, I'm hosting the (hopefully large) Houston Release Party and am looking for suggestions for activities. So far, I have:

1. Internet Explorer Pinata
2. Godzilla Vs. movies projected as background
3. Lots and lots of beer

But I'm at a loss to think of other activities. Suggestions?

Is this appropriate?

[IGnatius T Foobar]

Please read this entire message before giving any consideration to modding it down. It is not intended as a flame.

Is it really appropriate that Mozilla be celebrated at the DNA Lounge?

For those of you not aware, the DNA Lounge is owned by Jamie Zawinski (aka JWZ), a former Netscape employee. When things weren't going his way, JWZ made a very high-profile exit from Netscape Communications and from the Mozilla project. He was very rude about it; he had very harsh words about Netscape's newer employees, he pushed all of the same FUD arguments that MS mouthpieces such as ZDnet tend to do, and he basically declared the project a failure.

JWZ's high-profile registration was a big setback for Mozilla, because it lowered morale inside the team and served as a huge negative PR piece.

Now that Mozilla has successfully reached its 1.0 release, they're going to celebrate by paying JWZ for booze and entertainment? Is this the way to reward the person who did more to hurt the Mozilla project than any other single person in the industry?

Perhaps I'm just being curmudgeonly about this, but I really don't think it's appropriate. Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[hellfire]

Yes, Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

And now they are going to his lounge, partying hard, celebrate success right in front of him, and throw the whole project in his face.

Its very appropriate! ;)

Re:Is this appropriate?

[marick]

Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

ON THE OTHER HAND, Mozilla succeeded because of JWZ. First, without JWZ pushing hard at the beginning, Mozilla would never have been released in the first place.

Furthermore, JWZ's high-profile exit had one major effect on Mozilla. It galvanized the community. I'm sure I'm not alone in seeing it as a highly-effective kick-in-the-pants that the community sorely needed.

Jamie got tired of waiting. I did too, to be honest. But then when he left the project, he had a point. The community hadn't yet formed around the project. Most of the bug-reports, bug-fixes, and code were being written BY NETSCAPE employees. Not members of the community. Months after Jamie's departure, things had changed for the better, but in the year just before, Jamie was right.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[msuzio]

I doubt JWZ thought his departure would spell the end of the project. He just didn't care anymore, judging from what he said at the time and since. The project was bogged down, going nowhere in his opinion, and he had better things to do with his time.

Like manage to renovate and open a club and operate it for almost a full year before they ever got the release done. :-). I think he's the one who has been laughing the whole time...

The only thing they're throwing at him is cash. I'm sure he has no problem with that...

...plus, he has posted several notes about *trying* to use Mozilla as the browser on his club kiosks. Submitted bug reports and everything... so he's trying his best to be a good open source dude.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[Lemmy Caution]

You don't understand JWZ's attitude towards Mozilla. He'd still rather it succeed than fail; he wants to run it on the kiosks at the DNA. He was frustrated with the mozilla project and left it, but that's a far cry from hoping it will fail. Of course, anything that has shades of gray more complex than a George Lucas movie is beyond the ken of many.

IE is an ActiveX control

[yerricde]

I bet they could use some of that Mozilla code in IE7! MS Mozilla!

You too can use the Gecko engine (Mozilla's rendering engine) in Microsoft Internet Explorer. Use this tool to patch iexplore.exe and other apps to use an ActiveX wrapper around the Gecko engine instead of MSHTML.

I'm not going home alone...

[kenthorvath]

I've already got my pickup lines ready:

Hey baby, wanna see my lizard?

Let interface at port 69...

Wanna exchange IP's. Better hurry - I'm dynamic!

On second thought, I'd better resort to large quantities of alcohol...

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[Fiver-rah]

Indeed. Because the point of my post was clearly to try and advance feminist ideals, a personal passion for which slashdot is the ideal forum, not to rant about a personal gripe with some people's attitudes.

I'm so impressed by your use of pointless jargon and unfounded meaningless statistics that I've decided to switch from Linux, the operating system which causes men to oppress, rape, and kill women around the globe, to the more female-friendly MS Windows, which oppresses, rapes, and kills people around the globe regardless of gender.

Cheerio, troll.

I've gotta get new glasses

[r_j_prahad]

When I first scanned the headlines, I thought it said "Mozilla Release Panties", and I started wondering whether they'd be new or used, and maybe I should go see if Opera's gonna be giving out sequined thongs with their new release.

IE, of course, would be boxer shorts with an indelible racing stripe.

JWZ is actually organizing it - his comments

[SeanAhern]

Jamie has some comments about this at his site at dnalounge.com:

Hey kids! Today I'm going to take this opportunity to ridicule my former employers, now that they are customers!

On June 12, we're hosting the release party for Mozilla 1.0. For those of you who haven't been following along at home, my first ever experience in nightclub promotion was throwing the first Mozilla party back in 1998. A year later, when the company proved to me that its head was so far up its collective ass that it wasn't going to be able to ship anything usable before I went insane, I threw a second party and quit in April 1999.

Well, it's now a bit over three years since I quit, and they're finally about to release 1.0! I'm actually very happy for them, because I think it will end up being a good product. But I'm sure glad I didn't have to help them roll that boulder up the hill for those last three years. In that time, I took about a year off, and then Barry and I created a whole new business from scratch in a completely different industry, and that was far more interesting than continuing to work on the same old thing I'd been doing since 1994. (Or 1985, depending on how you count.)

So anyway, I'm organizing this party for them.
...

It continues. Interesting story - go read it.

Re:Well, arghh..

[Lemmy Caution]

You will get a lot closer to figuring out women when you start figuring out yourself, and realize that neither men nor women really want to be figured out. They want to be related to, respected, turned on, loved, left alone, supported, admired, and played with. Not figured out. I'm not attracted to women who make figuring me out a project, I'm hardly surprised to find out that converse is true.

Re:The release party flyer invitation

[thesolo]

Legal voting age is 18. Legal army age is 18. Legal drinking age in a good amount of states is 21. What the heck? You can vote for politicians, you can get yourself killed and die for your country, but you can't get legally inebriated?

OT, but the answer is simple; because teens in the 70s messed up, and "ruined" it for future teens.

In case you are unaware, people made this same argument after the Korean and Vietnam wars. Eventually, people started listening. In the early 1970's, 28 states in the USA lowered the drinking age from 21 to 18. This was raised back to 21 in the 1980s.
Why, you may ask?
Because drunk-driving accidents, public drunkenness, and alcohol-influenced fighting increased almost immediately, and steadily climbed in the 18-20 year old age bracket. Some states had increases of over 25% in the first year alone. In fact, the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that changing the minimum drinking age laws to 21 years of age have saved over 16,000 lives since 1975.

18 year olds had their chance in this country, and they blew it. I'd be very surprised if the legal age was ever lowered again.