Mozilla 1.0 Release Parties

Screaming Lunatic writes "With the release of Mozilla 1.0 almost here, the open source Mozilla community is planning a bunch of parties all over the world. You can choose to attend a party already planned somewhere in the world or start up a party in your own neck of the woods. The main party will be at 8pm Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at the DNA Lounge in San Francisco." Currently 37 parties listed, but many of them look awfully lonely... none near Ann Arbor yet ;)

Comments

No party... but capitolism

[Lumpy]

I plan on burning cd's of OO1.0 and Moz1.0 with both Windows and linux versions on them ready to go.. and then I'm gonna sell the Cd's at the hamfest I'm attending for $5.00 each (covers my costs of CD's cases,label printing, etc...)

I hope to get at least another 100 people using OO and Moz and away from microsoft products...

I have an excellent banner for my booth too..

Hey, if you aren't being an advocate... then you're just dead weight.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[Daengbo]

On Friday, installed 25 versions of both. I had, on my boss' insistence that we use win98 for a lab, done a minimum re-install, erasing the old MSOffice suite, not installing Outlook Express, and removing IE with ieradicator. I figured there was no need for the students to use that stuff in a language lab, and it would save a lot of viral headaches. When she returned from a seminaar in the US last week, suddenly internet and office suites were obligatory (who knows why in a language lab), so I installed Moz1.0rc3, OO1.0, and Pladao 1.0 (OpenOffice638C with thai menus and language support). I doubt anyone will use them, but whatever. Can't hurt.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[Schrodinger's Mouse]

Sounds a bit like The Open CD, which was covered here on /. a while back.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[frankie]

burning cd's of OO1.0 and Moz1.0 with both Windows and linux

Don't be so stingy. Why not do a full set:

• BSDI x86
• DEC Alpha
• FreeBSD x86
• HPUX
• Linux PPC
• Linux x86
• Mac OS9
• Mac OSX
• OS2
• Solaris Sparc
• Solaris x86
• Win32

That plus for source code and you've still got half the disc left for a divx of MechaGodzilla or something.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[GravySkin]

Yup, just what we need another zealot ramming our tastes, beliefs, convictions, etc down others throaots.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[AntiTuX]

You'll be donating some of the proceeds to the mozilla group, right? I mean, since you'll be making money off of their product and all. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but they did all the work, and you're making close to 4 bucks on each CD you sell. Also, mozilla.org will probably want to do their own CD's too.
I hate to sound like a troll, but I really think what you're doing is wrong unless you're going to give back to the community.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[ObviousGuy]

Heh heh heh.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[Lumpy]

wow... where can you get 4 color printed CD's + jewel case + color printed inserts for $1.00 each?

Please let me know as I am paying $3.25 each + shipping. + shrinkwrapping at $0.25 each.

I'm making $.75 each for my time....

I picked the wrong supplier to get the CD's predded at. (waiting on me sending the ISO, they'll print and return to me in 5 days my order of 200 CD's)

Re:No party... but capitolism

[Lumpy]

BTW... I am also having them ship me burnables already printed in cases with insert (no shrinkwrap) for $2.25 each.. so I can spit out a newer version from my burner after the fact...

I'm just trying to recoup expsenses.. I know I'll end up donating at least 50-75 to the local LUG of the pressed ones.

Re:No party... but capitolism

[The Evil Beaver]

I pay $3 per CDR that friends burn for me. Of course, it's different if you're paying a friend, since that's just money through the same hands, but still, it's money.

You're joking right?

[Torgo's Pizza]

Sorry, I'll download it but I won't be having a party. I would actually like some girls to show up, and having the latest browser doesn't exactly drive the ladies crazy.

Re:You're joking right?

[Fiver-rah]

Having the latest browser doesn't exactly drive the ladies crazy.

You're right. That's not exactly what drives us crazy. The latest version of IE does nothing for women. Mozilla, on the other hand, is very sexy. Of course, that's not all you need. Chicks dig lightstrips too.

Re:You're joking right?

[igottheloot]

if you read slashdot, or even know what mozilla is, you've rarely if ever even talked to a girl.

Re:You're joking right?

[faaaz]

Whaa, so a party is defined as a gathering of people with at least a predefined percentage of women? Well, I might be wrong, but I thought it was just about having fun...

Re:You're joking right?

[Grishnakh]

I've went to all-male classes in college, I work in an all-male workplace; if I go to a party, I'd like there to be some of these alleged females around for once.

Re:You're joking right?

[Torgo's Pizza]

If you're from Planet Gay, then you don't *have* to have those of the female persuasion. But I tend to like to have a few females around to keep the testosterone levels down and to liven up the place.

Tokyo party

[cxreg]

I see there's one in Tokyo, but I'm disappointed.

It should be called "MOZILLA DESTROYS TOKYO IN MASSIVE RELEASE" or something!

Re:Tokyo party

[BJH]

Don't worry, it might happen yet - that site lists only one participant, but the Japanese party promotion site already lists over 150 people as confirmed attendees...

Hell yeah!

[Limburgher]

I'll throw my own party! I'll show all in attendance how to use Mozilla to maximize their surfing pleasure. . .

while using the mouse with their left hand. . .

Well,

[MonkeyBot]

...any reason to party is a good reason! I can see it now--RMS drunk on vodka dressed up as Godzilla, Linus up on the turntables spinnin' some wicked trance music, AND NO WOMEN TO BE SEEN FOR MILES!

Re:Well,

[Ledge]

The women are the ones with the body hair. Legs, armpits, and facial.

Re:Well,

[Fiver-rah]

Let's say, hypothetically, that I were a girl. This is easy for me, since I am. And let's also say that I liked mozilla and linux and was relatively rabid about open source. Which is also easy, because all that's true, too. Now, when the first thing people do when talking about some open source party is grouse about how there's gonna be no gurls there, and if there are, they'll all be UG-LY, it doesn't really make me want to go hang out with them.

This is probably going to come as a shock to some of you, but there are girls out there who run linux and like mozilla.

Now, it seems to me that if you're going to all spend your time whining and moaning about how there's no gurls to be found except ugly apes (and even if there were, they'd wreck everything, 'cause they have the cooties), you're going to annoy those of us that are smart, geeky, and reasonably pretty. This creates a self-fulfilling prophecy: you whine; we avoid you.

Now I can't speak for all the other myriad geeky girls our there, but I don't want a guy who's going to:

• Drool over me 'cause I'm pretty, plus I run gentoo
• Act like I'm a horrible aberration, rather than realize that I'm really a harbinger of Droves of Geek Girls To Come.

Seriously people, if you want women to go to your parties, don't alienate them. I know there's not many of us right now, but if you play nice, maybe we'll bring friends, and maybe in another twenty years slashdot will be more like 60/40 instead of 95/5.

Sorry for the rant, but this is only about the billionth time I've seen this particular whine on slashdot. This isn't directed specifically at the original poster, or even anyone who voiced these sentiments on this particular thread. I know it's not everyone, and not even most of everyone, but for those of you who haven't yet figured it out: girls don't like boys who whine about not having girls.

Oh, and I'll probably be at the SF party. :)

Re:Well,

[Pedersen]

Now I can't speak for all the other myriad geeky girls our there, but I don't want a guy who's going to:
* Drool over me 'cause I'm pretty, plus I run gentoo

Now, what about worshipping such a woman? I know of one who is a proto-geek, and I think the absolute world of her. With some patience, and some luck, I'll marry her someday. So, I'm trying to learn everything I can to avoid putting her off, and am worried that, by thinking too highly of her, I might make her desire to leave (this is just one of my worries, and a new one to boot, since I read your post). Care to shed some insight for a hopeful soul?

Re:Well,

[jimmcq]

I attended the original mozilla dot party in 1998, and there were more women there than I expected (including a fair share the non-geek type).

Re:Well,

[Fiver-rah]

Look, there's only one rule: pay attention to your SO. Some girls like being worshipped. Others find it off-putting. I haven't a clue which category your SO falls into. So *talk* to her. Find out what she likes (which is, sadly, not always what she says she likes, sorry). So pay attention to how she accepts compliments, et cetera, and moderate your level of worship to maximize her enjoyment of your company.

If she's really worth it, she'll figure out what you like, too.

Re:Well,

[MicroBerto]

* Drool over me 'cause I'm pretty...

Don't worry, I tend to only drool over the girls that AREN'T cocky and self absorbed.

Re:Well,

[broody]

This creates a self-fulfilling prophecy: you whine; we avoid you.

Ssshhhhh! Don't teach the whiny geeks how to date.

As if ESR's sex tips was not bad enough.

Re:Well,

[Pedersen]

Ya know, someday, there's going to be an easy answer to one of these questions. Unfortunately, I expect to be dead for at leasta thousand years before it's found. Still, your answer is correct, and now I know I should have realized that right away. Thank you.

Re:Well,

[Lemmy Caution]

The Bay Area has cooler geeky guys, and a better gender balance, than other geekzones. Most every geek I know here has no problem finding dates - and every 3rd geek I know is a woman.

The whole "can't find any girl" complaint, amusingly enough, on this thread reminds me of the "booth babes" bullshit about E3 - gee, by advertising products using gimmicks designed to attract sexually-frustrated late-adolescent boys, are you surprised that you aren't attracting women? Would you feel welcome at an expo in which all the products were advertised using buff male Chippendale models? No, you'd get the feeling that you weren't really welcome.

Re:Well,

[LoveMe2Times]

Thank you. Thank you for standing up and declaring, "I am woman, hear me, um... CODE!!" Unfortunately, I think you may be falling for the same trap as the how-can-we-hate-the-MIAA-and-still-go-see-Star-War s? crowd. /. is diverse. There are whiny boys here, there are uber-studs here, and there are guys like me. Cute girls, hot babes, and very plain women.

Now, about this party--it's 21 and over. A lot of those whiny boys are just that--high school kids and what not. They probably won't be at the party, cause guys that whine about gurls don't tend to go to parties anyway!

On behalf of all the decent guys on /., if I see you there, though, I'll buy you a drink and ask you to dance. How's that? And if you are as cute as you say, I'll even talk about something besides code, Linux, or computers ;) In the meantime, I'll be learning the Lizard Mambo :)

Re:Well,

[XO]

Are you sure this is the billionth time that you've seen something like this on slashdot? I don't recall EVER seeing anything about parties in the 4 years i've been reading.. hmmm.

Re:Well,

[tswinzig]

Now, it seems to me that if you're going to all spend your time whining and moaning about how there's no gurls to be found except ugly apes (and even if there were, they'd wreck everything, 'cause they have the cooties), you're going to annoy those of us that are smart, geeky, and reasonably pretty. This creates a self-fulfilling prophecy: you whine; we avoid you.

Hear, hear!

And I would personally like to offer up my house for a party for all those young ladies you speak of. You're invited too, but you'll have to foot the expense of flying to Orlando.

Re:Well,

[MAXOMENOS]

Now, what about worshipping such a woman?

I can't speak for the parent poster, but my experience is that women (both geeky and non) are much easier to get along with when you're talking with them and not worshiping them. Especially if they're co-workers, or potential co-workers.

If you're attracted to someone, try flirting. If you're afraid of scaring them off with flirting, well, your hoving from a distance because you don't want to frighten them is actually scarrier than your flirting with them. At least with flirting they know what's up.

If you get rejected...hey, it happens. And it's not the end of the world.

Hope this helps.

Re:Well,

[Photon Ghoul]

I just wanted to say that I Like My Geek Girl!!!!

WOooo :D

Re:Well,

[broody]

Offtopic

Looks like the whiny ones have moderator points. (:

Re:Well,

[daoine]

*cackle*

No date for you, whiny moderator!

Let us pause while my karma sacrifices yet another of its bretheren just to be obnoxious...

Re:Well,

[sugam]

thats cuz girls that arent cocky and self-absorbed are the only ones who'd ever talk to you! :) ;)

Re:Well,

[rbeattie]

Ahem,

I know I speak for the vast majority of /. readers when I ask, "Will you marry me?"

-Russ

P.S. Crap, I almost forgot... I'm already married. (With a new baby boy to show for it! Pics at the above home page, I'm a proud papa.)

Re:Well,

[Schrodinger's Mouse]

Hey, whoa, speak for yourself, het-boy. If an expo featured buff Chippendale types, I'd feel like they were targeting me.

And, for the record, the boy I'm seeing is a geek. Apparently, I caught his attention while preaching the glories of apt-get.

Re:Well,

[Lemmy Caution]

Gay geeks are also geeks I'd imagine could be a bit annoyed at the booth-babe syndrome, although less so. But yes, I was obviously talking to the straight male stereotypical "target audience" (a self-fulfilling prophecy at best) of the bikini-girls. I'm sure that the rampant homophobia - or, more accurately, the hysterical demonstration of disgust at the male form by previously picked-on straight men who are trying to prove, against the taunts of the schoolyard, that they *aren't* gay - of that set would come into play as they avoided any booth featuring an oiled, ripped Adonis.

Re:Well,

[Pedersen]

If you're attracted to someone, try flirting. If you're afraid of scaring them off with flirting, well, your hoving from a distance because you don't want to frighten them is actually scarrier than your flirting with them. At least with flirting they know what's up.

That's one of those things that was hardest for me to figure out. I'm still not the greatest at it. I'll admit it, I suck at social skills (though I've recently decided I will be better, and think I am getting better).

If you get rejected...hey, it happens. And it's not the end of the world.

You're right, it's not. There are times, though (like this attempt at a relationship) that it certainly feels that way. Most rejections I can handle easily. The one type of rejection that I can not stand, though, is the "You're a really sweet guy" line. Speaking from the male side of the fence to any women who might be reading: Please don't use this line. I'd rather be repulsive and rejected than sweet and rejected.

Re:Well,

[glitch_]

Cute Kid!

I wish you the best of luck, and I pray that you are able to get some sleep!

Hope that he brings you lots and lots of happiness. =)

Re:Well,

[broody]

Obnoxious, sacrifice, and a wee bit of cackle...you go grrl.

Re:Well,

[Lemmy Caution]

But, menso: 20% of the women also play for the other team. Trust me, the local geeks are cooler, and here, it's far cooler to be a geek, as long as you are a relatively cool, tolerant, well-rounded geek. And you don't wear Rush t-shirts.

I'm serious. You wear a Rush t-shirt, you may as well castrate yourself, because Your Little Elvis will be seeing no love. Same goes for khakis and polo shirts with tech company logos on them. ThinkGeek swag works fine.

Re:Well,

[npsimons]

This is probably going to come as a shock to some of you, but there are girls out there who run linux [gentoo.org] and like mozilla.

Really? Where are they? Oh, wait I forgot, I'm not dating anymore . . .

Seriously, I'm glad to hear this. And not for me personally. Any system that is homogeneous (or close to homogeneity) is in serious danger of dying. Genetically engineered food that is all the same will cause a food shortage when the right virus comes around. Software that is not tested and used by a representative sampling of the user base will fail to meet users' needs. Since open source software is for everyone, this means we need women testing, using, and (hopefully) programming it as well as men.

Re:Well,

[Eccles]

Now, what about worshipping such a woman?

Avoid this at all costs. (Hide it if you do feel it.) Want a relationship? Don't be desperate, be someon the other person would be interested in hanging out with. Be charming, be funny, be neat and clean. Real relationships are built on mutual attraction, not one party desperately needing the other.

Re:Well,

[pagin]

and maybe in another twenty years slashdot will be more like 60/40 instead of 95/5

Hey, what a cool vision. Is there anywhere a linux project especially for women? (I mean, there are thousands of projects especially for women)? I'd love to support it! (Thogh -- or perhaps just because -- I'm a man =) ) CU, Philippe, looking if linixe.org and women-for-penguines.org is still available.

Don't start chilling the champagne just yet...

[Artifice_Eternity]

Someone should formulate, in mathematical notation, the principle that the current release of Mozilla will approach, but never reach, 1.0.

How many more incremental releases will there be?

Re:Don't start chilling the champagne just yet...

[Guignol]

like this ?
Mozilla_Release_version(t)=1.0-exp(-t*num_dev)

Re:Don't start chilling the champagne just yet...

[oever]

like this ?
Mozilla_Release_version(t)=1.0-exp(-t*num_dev)

No, in this formula the release number goes down if the number of developers decreases. And the number's continuous, which is not realistic.

Re:Don't start chilling the champagne just yet...

[rmohr02]

How about this:
1-1/x

Or, in RPN:
1 1 x / -

Re:Don't start chilling the champagne just yet...

[EnderWiggnz]

you never looked at how emacs does versioning, didya?

Re:Don't start chilling the champagne just yet...

[r00tarded]

only on slashdot...

What is that.. Never trust the 1.0 version...

[BagOBones]

As interested as I am with the prospect of a another browers.. I am still having strange problems with it under windows.. It alwasy seems to forget where is profiles folder is and will noth launch untill I create a new profile or point it to the one I made last time.. Why is this needed for the browser?? I can understand it for the E-mail and news but not even the browser works without setting a profile.. I guess it lets you sort your book marks per user but unter windows 2000 and higher users profiles are better handled by the login name.. the app shouldn't even handle it.. And under linuk you have your home folder.. I if it loaded pages faster than IE or konqeror I might be interested but I have not really liked the 0.9.9 verisons or even the first RC much..

Re:What is that.. Never trust the 1.0 version...

[Amazing Quantum Man]

That happened to me with NS 4.79 under Win2K. Only worked right if you happened to be logged in with admin rights.

Re:What is that.. Never trust the 1.0 version...

[Zelet]

RC3 is much better about all those things (dont know about the profile), but I installed most of the releases up til now and eventually switched back to IE, but with RC3 there are no noticable bugs and it is fast and fun. I have been using it since the day it was released and I haven't thought once about returning to IE.

(Notice, I only installed the browser)

Re:What is that.. Never trust the 1.0 version...

[BagOBones]

Ya, I hated profiles in NS and I hate them just as much now.. It doesn't seem to be a rights issue because the users I was testing it with had full admin rights on the system.. I still much prefer systems that use the users home directory or documents folder.. In program user profiles should have died with win 9X. All the big OSes now have some form of login and user managment system.. Its just combersome.

Re:What is that.. Never trust the 1.0 version...

[prog-guru]

The default location for your mozilla profile directory is under your 'documents and settings' folder in win2k. If you make a shortcut that runs mozilla as mozilla -P %USERNAME% it will go start with a profile that matches your windows username. You might have to create the profile first, I don't remember if it starts the wizard if the profile doesn't exist.
Netscape 4.x wanted to put everything under the program files directory, and I don't think you could create the profile as a non-admin user, so mozilla is much better at this.
It would be nice if profiles were handled like Netscape 4.x on *NIX (preferences under home, no profiles to mess with).

Re:What is that.. Never trust the 1.0 version...

[Amazing Quantum Man]

Moz uses the Win2K "documents folder". It uses C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\..... as it's profile.

Re:What is that.. Never trust the 1.0 version...

[dadragon]

In program user profiles should have died with win 9X. All the big OSes now have some form of login and user managment system..

The problem is though, that people don't use them. 99% of the people I know just use one login name for the whole family. My family does it, and all my friends families do it. They use profiles in Netscape or Eudora or some other mail reader, not the ones in Windows. Oddly enough, most of them don't use IE, either, though. So my sample may be tainted.

For those of you in Austin, Texas

[Scoria]

GeekAustin has also authored a thread pertaining to this subject.

Party list

[tcd004]

For some reason explorer won't render that list...

Find your ol' Prison Buddies Online

tcd004

Re:Party list

[flacco]

Find your ol' Prison Buddies Online [lostbrain.com]

Gee, I actually went to look :-(

Re:DNA Lounge

[PotPieMan]

21+, sadly. See this.

love and money

[oever]

Currently 37 parties listed, but many of them look awfully lonely...

Of course, you can't expect open source people to have good (expensive) food and drinks. Give me an IE party anytime. (As a compensation, of course.)

Re:parties for a web browser?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not just a web browser. It's the biggest open source project ever. Mozilla represents open source and how successful it is. A party for Mozilla is a celebration of everything the open source community stands for. I think it's a great idea.

Irony...

[LinuxGeek]

JWZ resigned in a very public manner from the Mozilla project and now the official release party is at the DNALounge, the club that JWZ started? Irony abounds..

Re:Irony...

[EnderWiggnz]

no shit... jwz has been bad mouthing the project forever, and now is gonna throw the "main" mozilla party...

sigh... you're right, maybe the theme song could be Alanis' greatest hit...

Re:Irony...

[rnb]

Yep, JWZ threw a hissyfit and declared the whole thing dead. AOL had bought it and would drive it into the ground. Has he posted a retraction yet, or is he the typical arrogant full-of-shit geek?

Sounds to me like he had his own reasons for leaving the project and stands by them:

I even manage to studiously ignore the messages I see every time mozilla.org announces a new alpha release: invariably some twinkie will pop up out of nowhere and claim that the fact that mozilla.org is asymptotically closer to maybe someday actually releasing an end-user product means that somehow I've been proven wrong about something. They usually say something about ``this ought to teach jwz a lesson!'' I just don't get that. My point was not that mozilla.org would never be able to finish the product: my point was that they were already a year late, and showed every indication of being even later. Which they have been: it's now more than two years later, and they still haven't finished it. Even if they had finished it six months ago, my reasons for leaving would still have been valid: that mozilla.org did not manage to ship an end-user product in any kind of reasonable timeframe, and that I was tired of waiting. I had certain goals, and I didn't see those goals being met.

Re:Irony...

[rnb]

That's called rewriting history - read his original statement. Only later does he claim it was about "shipping an end-user version soon." That extra bullshit only makes me dislike the arrogant shit even more.

Okay, from his original resignation from AOL and Mozilla:

But despite all this, in the last year, we did not accomplish the goals that I wanted to accomplish. We did not take the Mozilla project and turn it into a network-collaborative project in which Netscape was but one of many contributors; and we did not ship end-user software. For me, shipping is the thing.

Perhaps my goals were unreasonable; perhaps it should have been obvious to me when we set out on this project that it would take much longer than a year to reach these goals, if we ever did. But, it wasn't obvious to me then, or now. These are the goals I was aiming for, and they have not yet been met.

And so I'm giving up.


Not sure where else I should be looking.

Re:Irony...

[Note only the charac]

So it's true that Jamie is the original Anonymous Coward?

Re:Irony...

[LinuxGeek]

I didn't mean to throw flames towards JWZ with my original comment. When I met Jamie at Duke during LinuxExpo, he was very cool and talkative about mozilla just a few months after the netscape code release. I didn't use words like asshole or hypocrite because they don't apply. I do think he has a large ego, but he is a great programmer and has some great accomplishments to his credit. I also assume that JWZ and the Mozilla team are still pretty tight since the boogie bash is at the DNA Lounge.

I hope my point has now been made complete.

Oh the humanity

[Jupiter9]

Dudes and dudetts, like total kegger party at my place while we wait for Mozilla to download and compile! Oh the humanity.

Here ya go...

[Misch]

Here ya go, you're all invited... now why don't you print out a bunch of these onto glossy postcards and leave them around your local college campus like all the promoters do at mine?

Re:Here ya go...

[LordNimon]

That flyer was obviously designed by someone with poor graphic design skills.

Humor: Party and release dates

[Seth Finkelstein]

Oh, this is mean, it's ungrateful ... but I can't resist ...

How many people will show up "fashionably late"? :-)

Sig: What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org)

St. Louis area?

[Skeezix]

Anyone interested in a Moz party in the St. Louis, MO USA area?

Re:St. Louis area?

[XBL]

I might be, if more than 2 people come ;-)

Re:St. Louis area?

[Engdy]

Here's another 'might be' vote.

Re:St. Louis area?

[KodaK]

I'm game if there's beer involved.

Re:St. Louis area?

[Skeezix]

I'll pursue this a bit further then since there seems some initial interest. There would definitely be beer involved.

Re:St. Louis area?

[King Babar]

Anyone interested in a Moz party in the St. Louis, MO USA area?

Won't everybody be heading out to Columbia instead? OK, so everybody who wants to come, send email to the MLUG mailing list, and maybe something will happen. :-)

Everybody can have a Party...

[zulux]

With Mozilla's Javascript pop-up blocker and pornzilla features, everybody can have their own party in their pants on 'release' day.

Re:Everybody can have a Party...

[hazyshadeofwinter]

Hhttp://mywebpage.netscape.com/aufbau01/members.ht mlmm. Nice link, but I just couldn't bring myself to click on "Members" of the Pornzilla project." Goatse.cx flashbacks or something.

Spam Bait

[Codex The Sloth]

All those email addresses in spam friendly format! Just think of the fun!

My Mozilla's Icons are nothing like the Explorer

[quantaman]

With apologies to Willian Shakespeare, or anyone with taste for that matter

My Mozilla's Icons are nothing like the Explorer;
China is far more red than her licence red;
If button mean down, why then she come back up?
If html be wires, broken wires jut one of her engine;
I have seen webpages advertising other browsers;
But no such promotions I see in her windows;
And in some MS java there is more delight;
Than in the broken applets that from my browser reeks;
I love to browse her tabs, yet well I know
That some Flash hath a far more pleasing look;
I grant I never saw OS X though;
My Mozilla, when she browsers, slumps through links;
And yet, by Linux, I think my browser as rare
As any I belied with false compare;

loyal user of NS-anti MS

[Joe 'Nova']

I think it's a great way to launch, especially if monkey-boy MS can't dance for their rollout, if 2000 crashed(blue screen baby), and we can't have a "Dance on Bill's Grave" party.
I do not trust any entity that has waaaaayyyyy to much centralised power, and i've been wondering about God in that dept.(wonder what upgrades HE gives....)
I think a party is appropriate, not a pie in mozilla's face, or other wankin' PR sh*t, but it's a release.
For you folks groaning and saying that it's not V3 of your fav game, humor from a little back
check out the mozilla up front!
True, it's not release 3 of Game-Quest-Gate-Raider-Zombie, but this is a jab at an OS as much as it is a product. Don't whine. Somebody took up the old line, "If somebody was gonna come up with something better, doncha think they would?"...
Now...if you want to argue too much "Chrome features", ummm, can't argue that, oh gee, look at the time, gotta go....
check out

Well, CmdrTaco

[XO]

Let's get this party started. We can hook it up in Ann Arbor... how about at The Edge??? 94 and Michigan I think is the cross-streets there...

Re:parties for a web browser?

[alen]

Successful? It took 5 times as long to get to version 1.0 than MS did with IE. Open source fanatics like to rant about the bugs in IE and other MS products, well there are still plenty in mozilla. It's not like it's a perfect piece of software. In this case MS is much more efficient.

Open source shows it's strengths in Linux. Open source code and standards and a few companies selling the OS and enterprise services to go along. You've got redhat, IBM and a few others. Mozilla shouldn't be a poster child for open source. Linux yes.

"none near ann arbor yet"...

[Wakko Warner]

...well, Rob, start your own. Break out the old Hope College Bong and invite a few friends.

I knew geeks were antisocial, but begging for a party to spring up near you is downright pathetic.

- A.P.

Re:"none near ann arbor yet"...

[scottj]

Why would anybody want to go to Michigan for a party anyway?

Re:"none near ann arbor yet"...

[Wakko Warner]

Maybe their car broke down on the way to a better place (i.e. anywhere)...

- A.P.

Mozilla on the beach

[SlashdotTroll]

I'm throwing a Mozilla Troll party on the beach. All Trolls invited:

Trollificus
Metrollica
IAgreeWithThisPost
Subject Line Troll
OriginalUsername
Klerck (CmdrTaco)

and

John Carmack

We'll be playing pin the tail on CowboyNeal, after that Frost the Pist, and at night we'll be bobbing for Grunion. The person with the least karma in the Troll Games will be given the lowest latency Internet Access in the world for 1 hour and unlimited posting privileges.

Are there any other people that would like to join the list? Please send submissions to slashdottroll at yahew dot com

Re:Mozilla on the beach

[SlashdotTroll]

Did you watch the movie "20,000 leagues under the sea" and can you replicate the production of Havana-quality cigars from sea-weed?

Someone already brought the bowls and the cauldron of hot grits. We just need some smokes. There'll be plenty of conch snails at the "physically un-protected, but legaly protected" tidepools. We can pull the conchs from the shells and use the shells as bongs; but I dunno if there's enough snails 'cause they are quite endangered I understand.

On second thought, bring some PVC pipes and a pipe cutter; you make the bongs and thanks for your support dude.

Re:How sad is this?

[Pretzalzz]

No, you sit around and get shit-faced drunk. Just like any other party.

In keeping with open source....

[C. Mattix]

In keeping with the open source dogma of "you fix it," are all the parties BYOB?

Mozilla on the beach party

[Anonymous Coward]

After your beach party would you fine fellowes like to please come to my house and see my beowulf clusters and perhaps play some of my favoirte Linus game, DOOM? I promise it is a fun game in which you run throuug h a maze and shoot monsters and evil humans. There will not be girls, as I perspire a lot when I see one.

None near Anne Arbor yet...

[wowbagger]

Oh give me a break, Rob! If YOU want a party near your home, why don't YOU organize one?

Unlike most people, you have the forum to get the interest in and you can write it off as a business expense!

Seriously - if you want to see a party nearby, MAKE ONE!

(of course, one wonders about the sort of people who would go to a Mozilla release party... will there be many "wimmin of the female persuasion" as a certain squint-eyed sailor might ask...)

Re:None near Anne Arbor yet...

[MAXOMENOS]

There are now TWO Ann Arbor parties as of this writing. I think his method worked.

Party one: Ann Arbor party (That's its actual name)

Party Two: Ann Arbor Destroyed by Mozilla

Re:None near Anne Arbor yet...

[stienman]

I've requested my entry (ann arbor destroyed by mozilla) be removed to favor Ann Arbor Party in ypsilanti. Please sign up for the Ann Arbor Party, that's where I'll be going...

-Adam

Re:None near Anne Arbor yet...

[juju2112]

It's quite likely that he's busy and doesn't want to go to the trouble of organizing it.

Why all the hostility?

Re:None near Anne Arbor yet...

[guttentag]

He's just been spoiled by MacHack. This brief appeared on MacNN.com this morning:

Slashdot's Malda to visit MacHack

In a "rare" public appearance, Slashdot founder Rob Malda is expected to attend the MacHack 2002 annual developers conference in Michigan, this June. Malda is an accomplished programmer, and founded one of the most popular computer news Web sites "for nerds."

<SARCASM>If you live anywhere near Michigan, don't miss this rare opportunity for nerds to see people who matter. Oh, and there will probably be some cool hacks shown off too.</SARCASM>

if fark can do it, then I guess moz can do it too

[reschly]

Personally, I'm warry of joining up with people that I only know via the internet. But Fark has plenty of fark parties and no one seems to complain about those. Whatever.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[Misch]

Successful? It took 5 times as long to get to version 1.0 than MS did with IE

I would dare say that the world of web browsing is severley different since version 1.0 of Internet Exploder. Remember, even back then, IE was *just* a web browser, and, for the most part, still is. What HTML spec did IE support then? How many different versions of the HTML spec are there now? Stylesheets? How many different image formats?

If you're looking to compare Mozilla 1.0 to IE 1.0, then I think you're trying to compare apples and oranges.

Re:Chug chug chug !!!

[dr_dank]

"Every time you find a bug in the 1.0 release you gotta funnel a beer bro!"

Well, I certainly hope ambulances will be standing by.

**Boo rises over crowd, Karma goes bye-bye**

Re:parties for a web browser?

[Anonymous Coward]

It took 5 times as long to get to version 1.0 than MS did with IE

Have you included the development time of Spyglass? Have you, in fact, compared the features and supported technology of IE 1.0 to Mozilla 1.0?

Now, if you had said "It took 5 times as long to get to version 1.0 than MS did with getting IE to version 6.0", then yes, you might have a point. But you didn't say that, and besides, it has taken less than half the time for Mozilla to reach 1.0 than it has taken IE to reach 6.0...

Activities?

[naloxone]

Hey, I'm hosting the (hopefully large) Houston Release Party and am looking for suggestions for activities. So far, I have:

1. Internet Explorer Pinata
2. Godzilla Vs. movies projected as background
3. Lots and lots of beer

But I'm at a loss to think of other activities. Suggestions?

Re:Activities?

[PrimeNumber]

Go down to the LUG at HAL-PC. I've been in there a couple of times, and they have some hardcore Linux users who know their stuff. Let them know and I'm sure they will want to go. As far as LUGs go its one of the largest I have ran across. I for one am interested: PrimeNumber@excite.com

Netscape business model

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't forget the basic Netscape model: degrade your brownser from release to release until it is unusable, and then look at your main rival (which actually dares to improve its project between releases) and launch utterly frivolous lawsuits to punish them for the outrage of making their product better while you make yours worse.

Booth Babes?

[Chibi]

So, will there be any booth babes at any of these parties?

Before you try that link, the site has not yet recovered from this morning. :)

Re:Booth Babes?

[Ceren]

Yes. Assuming I drag my lazy ass off the couch. I'll be at the DNA, a space I like anyway.

Don't bother looking for red latex, though. My hair's green now, and it makes me look like the Christmas daemonette.

- Ceren, who's not really a boothgirl anymore, but though this would be funny. uggh. sleep dep.
FreeBSD's Strange Attractor.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[Anonymous Coward]

ah, the most common mozilla troll there is:
It took 5 times as long to get to version 1.0 than MS did with IE
uh, sure, but have you compared IE 1.0 with mozilla 1.0?
the code to netscape communicator was released in 1998, and was abandoned soon thereafter to start a complete rewrite. so, from mid-1998 to now is four years. four years to write a browser that competes in just about every category and class as IE.

when was IE 1.0 first released? 1996? how long had they been developing it before that? since 1994? and they had an entire codebaset to work from, because they licensed it from spyglass.
http://careers.yahoo.com/s/wetfeet/v195.html

so... IE - in development since before 1994. Mozilla - in development since 1998. who's more efficient?

IE is Mosaic

[yerricde]

It took 5 times as long to get to version 1.0 than MS did with IE.

The Mozilla team started from scratch and produced a working web browser in three years, after deciding that the Netscape 5.0 code on which they had been working for the last year just wouldn't cut it. The Microsoft Internet Explorer team bought the Mosaic browser (a project presumably begun in 1992) and released IE 1.0 in August 1995, and it wasn't actually usable until 3.0 in August 1996. Again four years.

Parties are cool but...

[sunset]

... I'd rather they fix bugs. Like maybe http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144882 which has been broken since RC2. I can't even send mail.

It`d make sense.

[MrFredBloggs]

Mozilla v1.0
IE v6.0

I think they`ve left it a bit late, dont you? What are the market shares per browser again?

Re:It`d make sense.

[jallen02]

Netscape 7.0, IE 6.0 ;)

Is this appropriate?

[IGnatius T Foobar]

Please read this entire message before giving any consideration to modding it down. It is not intended as a flame.

Is it really appropriate that Mozilla be celebrated at the DNA Lounge?

For those of you not aware, the DNA Lounge is owned by Jamie Zawinski (aka JWZ), a former Netscape employee. When things weren't going his way, JWZ made a very high-profile exit from Netscape Communications and from the Mozilla project. He was very rude about it; he had very harsh words about Netscape's newer employees, he pushed all of the same FUD arguments that MS mouthpieces such as ZDnet tend to do, and he basically declared the project a failure.

JWZ's high-profile registration was a big setback for Mozilla, because it lowered morale inside the team and served as a huge negative PR piece.

Now that Mozilla has successfully reached its 1.0 release, they're going to celebrate by paying JWZ for booze and entertainment? Is this the way to reward the person who did more to hurt the Mozilla project than any other single person in the industry?

Perhaps I'm just being curmudgeonly about this, but I really don't think it's appropriate. Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[hellfire]

Yes, Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

And now they are going to his lounge, partying hard, celebrate success right in front of him, and throw the whole project in his face.

Its very appropriate! ;)

Re:Is this appropriate?

[Caine]

First of all, see the comment above.

Second of all, JWZ may be an arrogant prick at times, but I'm highly doubtful that Mozilla would exist without him. He's a very fine coder, and put a lot of work into it. I can understand if he gets pissed off at Netscape and AOL, when they don't listen to the coders, and hires new people that really aren't that good and just throw them in with the old team.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[marick]

Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

ON THE OTHER HAND, Mozilla succeeded because of JWZ. First, without JWZ pushing hard at the beginning, Mozilla would never have been released in the first place.

Furthermore, JWZ's high-profile exit had one major effect on Mozilla. It galvanized the community. I'm sure I'm not alone in seeing it as a highly-effective kick-in-the-pants that the community sorely needed.

Jamie got tired of waiting. I did too, to be honest. But then when he left the project, he had a point. The community hadn't yet formed around the project. Most of the bug-reports, bug-fixes, and code were being written BY NETSCAPE employees. Not members of the community. Months after Jamie's departure, things had changed for the better, but in the year just before, Jamie was right.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[msuzio]

I doubt JWZ thought his departure would spell the end of the project. He just didn't care anymore, judging from what he said at the time and since. The project was bogged down, going nowhere in his opinion, and he had better things to do with his time.

Like manage to renovate and open a club and operate it for almost a full year before they ever got the release done. :-). I think he's the one who has been laughing the whole time...

The only thing they're throwing at him is cash. I'm sure he has no problem with that...

...plus, he has posted several notes about *trying* to use Mozilla as the browser on his club kiosks. Submitted bug reports and everything... so he's trying his best to be a good open source dude.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[Lemmy Caution]

You don't understand JWZ's attitude towards Mozilla. He'd still rather it succeed than fail; he wants to run it on the kiosks at the DNA. He was frustrated with the mozilla project and left it, but that's a far cry from hoping it will fail. Of course, anything that has shades of gray more complex than a George Lucas movie is beyond the ken of many.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[ek_adam]

Maybe they're planning to take as long to pay the bar bill as they took to release Mozilla.

IE is an ActiveX control

[yerricde]

I bet they could use some of that Mozilla code in IE7! MS Mozilla!

You too can use the Gecko engine (Mozilla's rendering engine) in Microsoft Internet Explorer. Use this tool to patch iexplore.exe and other apps to use an ActiveX wrapper around the Gecko engine instead of MSHTML.

No women?

[wiredog]

What about Mrs. Torvalds?

Re: No women?

[elemental23]

I dunno, is she cute? ;)

Re:No party... but capitolism [sic]

[rgmoore]

Don't forget to include complete source code for both while you're at it- GPL compliance and all.

Ann Arbor/Ypsi added

[mgkimsal2]

We'll be combining our regular PHP user group meeting with a Mozilla-release party on June 6 (hopefully that's close enough one way or the other). Food/drinks provided. http://www.tapinternet.com/ for contact info.

I'm not going home alone...

[kenthorvath]

I've already got my pickup lines ready:

Hey baby, wanna see my lizard?

Let interface at port 69...

Wanna exchange IP's. Better hurry - I'm dynamic!

On second thought, I'd better resort to large quantities of alcohol...

Re:I'm not going home alone...

[BlowCat]

My Mozilla (snapshot from 1.0 branch) doesn't want to "interface at port 69" (i.e. tftp): try tftp://localhost/tftpboot/bzImage

Perhaps you should visit a party for embedded developers. Real men use real ftp.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[Sj0]

Comparing Moz 1.0 to IE 1.0 is kind of wacky...Try using IE 1.0 (or even IE 2.0). If you can find half a dozen sites which render correctly, you've hit an incredible streak of luck.

This is not Irony.

[garcia]

This is not Irony. This is Money.

worse yet

[bilbobuggins]

worse yet,
how many geeks are going to try pick up girls with the line: 'the real me will be much better, this outfit is just a release candidate...'

Re:worse yet

[Lemmy Caution]

No, the best pick up line at the party will be "wanna see my Pop-Up?"

Re:Tokyo party -- vs. mechaExplorer

[igottheloot]

ROOK! It's MOZIRRA!

Self-fulfilling plan

[puckhead]

and even if there were, they'd wreck everything, 'cause they have the cooties

I suspect that's the real reason for the trolls. If one doesn't expect to meet female Mozilla fans at the party then one could simply bring a date.

OTH, if yuor pretty and run gentoo a certain amount of drooling is to be expected.

damn!

[glenkim]

Man, I want to go, but it's 21+. Why couldn't they get some sort of club 18+ at least?

Re:damn!

[Happy Monkey]

Because they'll be serving alcohol, not sex.

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[Fiver-rah]

Indeed. Because the point of my post was clearly to try and advance feminist ideals, a personal passion for which slashdot is the ideal forum, not to rant about a personal gripe with some people's attitudes.

I'm so impressed by your use of pointless jargon and unfounded meaningless statistics that I've decided to switch from Linux, the operating system which causes men to oppress, rape, and kill women around the globe, to the more female-friendly MS Windows, which oppresses, rapes, and kills people around the globe regardless of gender.

Cheerio, troll.

Why?

[Dynedain]

I'm not trying to troll here, but seriously, why are people throwing parties (and why does that make it to /.)? Its a piece of software that helps people do their jobs in a way that they like more. I mean, its not like mechanics go and throw parites because Craftsman releases a new wrench. And architects don't go crazy when a CAD program goes gold.

What's the big deal?

Re:Why?

[tfreport]

I will bite on this one.

Your right, that mechanics do not go out and throw parties because Craftsmen released a new wrench, but the engineers on the new wrench probably do. Yeah, they don't publish it on the web, but they do go out to the local bar or whatever and celebrate their accomplishment. I am only in college but at my summer internship whenever we finish something big, we take some time off and go out to a bar (they drink, I eat, damn 21 drinking age law). Likewise, finishing finals, I have always gone out with a few friends to celebrate at parties.

So, why does Mozilla deserve a party? Because thousands of people across the globe helped work on the project. There isn't simply just a group of programmers that built it all at some company such as MS (who with a milestone release of IE, I'm sure have a party - hell their marketing department does). Instead everyone that took part wants to party for the work that they helped to contribute. I, myself, have only been using the browser for a few months after switching from Opera. I have not added a piece of code and have contributed no new bugs. So, I will not be celebrating at any of these parties. But, I do understand why those that have contributed would want to party and to them I say congratulations! Thanks for giving us a fantastic browser!

Re:Why?

[(H)elix1]

I'm not trying to troll here, but seriously, why are people throwing parties (and why does that make it to /.)? Its a piece of software that helps people do their jobs in a way that they like more. I mean, its not like mechanics go and throw parites because Craftsman releases a new wrench

Here is my take on it. Unlike Apache (for the most part), Mozilla was a project that brought the end user into the development cycle - usability, bug hunting, feature enhancement, etc. It was more than just coders working hard to make it viable. Every end user who made the initially painful transition to early builds to where it rocks today has reason to celebrate. Whenever a large software project went gold, my team always partied. This just has a lot more people.

As for the wrench, I saw the strangest thing today as I paid my Discover bill at Sears today.

• 
  Craftsman 75th Anniversary Ratchet, Teardrop Quick release 22k Gold plated 3/8 in Drive
  This standard 2/8 in. drive, fully polished 22k gold-plated ratchet is a Craftsman collector's item. Comes with premium wooden storage display to show off your new collector's item.
  

Who said machanics don't know how to party... go to sears.com, search for "gold plated ratchet"

Re:Why?

[Servo5678]

And architects don't go crazy when a CAD program goes gold.

I see that you've never met my boss. He told one of the CAD guys today to go and download the demo for a product that was only first announced last month.

Re:Why?

[Dynedain]

Well yeah, I play with the new 3D and CAD tools too...but I don't throw a party for it.

No Montreal Party

[javacowboy]

Hey, there's no party in Montreal! What gives? I don't want to have to go all the way to Toronto.

Re:No Montreal Party

[The Evil Beaver]

mikep would have you know that there's an Ottawa party, but I think as organizer of the Toronto party, I won't let you know that.

Re:No Montreal Party

[alexandre]

me neither
(well i wont be here for july though :( )...

I know there was a party in montreal for the mozilla source code release back then...

Re:sig

[puckhead]

And even love can be rented.

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[StandardDeviant]

Thanks. Now my nose hurtz becuase of the hot coffee... ;-) Anyway, in response to your original post: I think the guy you responded to was just throwing that out as a tongue-in-cheek joke. Cheap and stupid joke, perhaps, but... Another point: who says drooling is bad, provided it's done with class? Hell, I know I'm immensely flattered when a member of the appropriate sex has their hormones sing at the sight of me... (Note, obviously, I don't mean talking to the woman's chest or something equally crass.) I think it's wrong to be a slavering hound, in other words, but I think perhaps it's taken to far in the opposite direction sometimes, and any admittance of attraction is seen as crude... Dragging this post back somewhat to the realm of topicality... w00w00 mozilla! :-) I think I'm going to make either the Houston or Austin one... (/me checks the server maintenance schedule, shakes his head, and crosses his fingers...)

HA!

[ZaBu911]

Story time. Being the under-age-nerd-with-a-social-life self that I am, I decide that I want to go clubbing.

But boo-hoo, I'm not old enough. So I go to the only guy that I know who makes fake IDs, and ask for one. "Why," he asks, "you're wearing a Linux shirt. You're a geek. You guys don't go clubbing."

Pfffffft. Now I have a legitimate reason. The mozilla release party is only open to those 21 and older.

Heh.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[sydb]

But Mozilla's 1.0 release is feature-equivalent or better than IE's 6.0 release.

The release party flyer invitation

[ZaBu911]

http://mozilla.org/party/2002/flyer.html
http://m ozilla.org/party/2002/faq.html

Regarding the issue of those underage wanting to go into the party: "and just because you're old enough to vote and kill, you're not old enough to enter a bar."

Perhaps this is a bit off-topic but I think it's a good time to bring it up.

Legal voting age is 18. Legal army age is 18. Legal drinking age in a good amount of states is 21. What the heck? You can vote for politicians, you can get yourself killed and die for your country, but you can't get legally inebriated?

What kind of country do we live in!

Re:The release party flyer invitation

[Tepic]

I think the age limits have at least as much to do with what harm you can cause to others, as with what harm you can do to yourself.

I guess the expectation is that in general people are significantly more responsible and less likely to cause harm to others and themselves due to alcohol at 21, than at 18.

It also reduces the chance of situations such as inexperienced drivers under the influence of alcohol.

Re:The release party flyer invitation

[thesolo]

Legal voting age is 18. Legal army age is 18. Legal drinking age in a good amount of states is 21. What the heck? You can vote for politicians, you can get yourself killed and die for your country, but you can't get legally inebriated?

OT, but the answer is simple; because teens in the 70s messed up, and "ruined" it for future teens.

In case you are unaware, people made this same argument after the Korean and Vietnam wars. Eventually, people started listening. In the early 1970's, 28 states in the USA lowered the drinking age from 21 to 18. This was raised back to 21 in the 1980s.
Why, you may ask?
Because drunk-driving accidents, public drunkenness, and alcohol-influenced fighting increased almost immediately, and steadily climbed in the 18-20 year old age bracket. Some states had increases of over 25% in the first year alone. In fact, the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that changing the minimum drinking age laws to 21 years of age have saved over 16,000 lives since 1975.

18 year olds had their chance in this country, and they blew it. I'd be very surprised if the legal age was ever lowered again.

Re:The release party flyer invitation

[addaon]

And the reason that the age was raised again... and the reason that no one expects to ever see it lowered again... that has nothing to do with a law on the books that says that any state that decides to lower the drinking age (since drinking age is, in theory, decided by the state, not the national government) immediately loses all federal highway funding... right?

Re:The release party flyer invitation

[squarooticus]

I fail to see how 16,000 lives over 27 years justifies the incalculable loss of liberty inherent in taking away the rights of an adult to do as he pleases.

Please, no comments about how drinking isn't that important and how it's a right people don't need to survive. That's not the point: the point is that people should be free to live their lives without the interference of others, as long as they don't infringe on anyone else's rights.

The proper thing to do in this situation would have been to prosecute more enthusiastically those who drank and then proceeded to drive under the influence. But it's a lot easier just to take away the rights of the 90% who would obey the laws in order to protect the rest of society from the actions of the remaining 10%, right?

This is America, and that sentiment is un-American.

Newsgroup for Mozilla users

[Nicopa]

For discussing these things and/or Mozilla problems or suggestions you can go to this Mozilla newsgroup.

Quick! Avoid spam -- get a self destructing addres

[sc00p18]

Just in case you haven't heard Spam Gourmet offers a nice service for exactly this kind of situation. You'll get a temporary address that will work for a few times and then expire.

Torontozilla -- Party in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

[The Evil Beaver]

http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/#5

I'm organizing that party! However, I'd rather have someone else deal with organizing an managing it, especially after being staff for Canada's #1 anime con, Anime North.

It's an open invitation, just show up at Vinnie's (22 Duncan St.) in Toronto on the Saturday after release and follow the noise. I'd like to have a banner to hang, and Moz1.0 CDs to hand out.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[Meowharishi]

It's not even a decent browser. Sorry, but its true. While it is certainly worthy of respect that a bunch of well meaning coders got together and worked for free, the end result is a poorly coordinated mess.

The open source community needs a messiah who will teach them how to build products that truly do compete with commercial competitors.

I will be that messiah but I require a salary of $125,000.

meow.

Geek Party Pickup Lines...suggestions needed...

[bje2]

i was trying to think of some good nerd/geek/Mozilla themed pickup lines for a Mozilla party...i came up with...

"Do you wanna see my lizard?"

"Wanna help me with my buffer overflow problem?"

and...

"Are you interested in a brute force attack?"

any other helpful suggestions???

Re:Geek Party Pickup Lines...suggestions needed...

[craw]

How about, "I have a four digit slashdot user number.

Trust me, this *always* works. You wanna buy a four digit slashdot user id?:-)

Re:Geek Party Pickup Lines...suggestions needed...

[bje2]

i forgot my favorite one...

"does your system have a back door entry?"

Re:Well, arghh..

[Vspirit]

no wonder escaping to geekdom com is favoured by so many.

anyone for a game of russian roulette?

They either love you or hate you. If you love 'em they will love to hate you, and if you hate 'em they will love to love you. Its all bout love right.

ohh well to hell with it, if you just pretend to love me I'll fuck you. Just be honest and keep me confused, else I'll get bored and replace you.

welcome to the game of love. pull, but don't pull too hard at the wrong time unless they need you to which they neglect to say when. push, but don't push too hard.

One thing is for sure, you'll never for sure know when to do what.

Fiver-rah, I respect you. Your sex really rules our minds. Fiver-rah, I accept you, but damn I want my beer.

Triangle party

[shaldannon]

I noticed a party for the folks in the Triangle (theoretically) at Tir na Nog (Party 53). Why you would pick a place in downtown Raleigh for an RTP party is beyond me, but what the heck...They really should provide a map to the place.

Re:Triangle party

[loudici]

>Why you would pick a place in downtown Raleigh for an RTP party is beyond me

why? what is wrong with raleigh?

Re:Triangle party

[shaldannon]

Nothing is wrong with Raleigh...I work downtown and live in north Raleigh. However, the Research Triangle Park is sandwiched between Raleigh, Cary, Durham, and Chapel Hill. Therefore, if you are going to bill this as an RTP party, oughtn't it to be in the Triangle? I mean, Durham and Chapel Hill are 20 miles from Raleigh....that's a decent amount of distance.

I've gotta get new glasses

[r_j_prahad]

When I first scanned the headlines, I thought it said "Mozilla Release Panties", and I started wondering whether they'd be new or used, and maybe I should go see if Opera's gonna be giving out sequined thongs with their new release.

IE, of course, would be boxer shorts with an indelible racing stripe.

JWZ is actually organizing it - his comments

[SeanAhern]

Jamie has some comments about this at his site at dnalounge.com:

Hey kids! Today I'm going to take this opportunity to ridicule my former employers, now that they are customers!

On June 12, we're hosting the release party for Mozilla 1.0. For those of you who haven't been following along at home, my first ever experience in nightclub promotion was throwing the first Mozilla party back in 1998. A year later, when the company proved to me that its head was so far up its collective ass that it wasn't going to be able to ship anything usable before I went insane, I threw a second party and quit in April 1999.

Well, it's now a bit over three years since I quit, and they're finally about to release 1.0! I'm actually very happy for them, because I think it will end up being a good product. But I'm sure glad I didn't have to help them roll that boulder up the hill for those last three years. In that time, I took about a year off, and then Barry and I created a whole new business from scratch in a completely different industry, and that was far more interesting than continuing to work on the same old thing I'd been doing since 1994. (Or 1985, depending on how you count.)

So anyway, I'm organizing this party for them.
...

It continues. Interesting story - go read it.

Re:JWZ is actually organizing it - his comments

[Tony Shepps]

It took the guy an entire year to rehab a single nightclub, and he's still moaning about the long Mozilla release schedule?

Re:JWZ is actually organizing it - his comments

[King Babar]

It took the guy an entire year to rehab a single nightclub, and he's still moaning about the long Mozilla release schedule?

Well, Mozilla may or may not have faced roadblocks of their own devising (I wasn't there, so I won't pretend to know. The DNA Lounge, though, famously faced roadblocks made of red tape and paper trails. Heck, I don't know if you could every permit you would need to run a nightclub in my wimpy little city in any kind of reasonable timeframe...

DNA Lounge

[whm]

I know everybody finds it humorous that the main party is being held at the DNA Lounge, but it doesn't look like some tricky plot to rub the release in JWZ's face. Instead, it looks more or less like an act of goodwill from JWZ. The location was suggested by JWZ in Bug 10039, the bug slip that seems to have started the party idea:


------- Additional Comment #48 From Jamie Zawinski 2002-04-07 17:13 -------

You are welcome to have your party at DNA Lounge if you cover our staff costs,
and if it's on a night when we're not already booked.


So, heh. I don't know why people seem so quick to think that the Mozilla crew would do that sort of thing.

Pakistani Party

[irregular_hero]

Er, anyone notice that "osama.bin.l@den.net" is supposed to be attending the Mozilla party in Pakistan ("at Tariq's place")?

Re:Pakistani Party

[r00tarded]

we can hope there wont be indianuke@target.pk

Hey now

[fishexe]

I'm the one who always claims that most geek girls are pretty hot. Like when i demo my list of hacker pick-up lines at school and get told "yeah but all you'll get with that is geek chicks". So? "They're all ugly." I don't know what hole everybody else is living under, but i don't think I've ever met a geek chick who wasn't fine as all hell. (this is by my definition of geek, but hey, I only think we should be even in how we define geeks for girls and for guys)

I vote the rest of us geek guys open our eyes to how nice the pickings are (if slim, but hey it's quality and not quantity right?)

btw I hope you meant those 2 bulleted points to go together because I'm definitely drooling over any girl who runs gentoo (pretty or not =] )

Alan_Thicke, dead...

[SlashdotTroll]

Alan_Thicke, the world's greatest unknown and unseen Troll, dead at 1:35pm EST. And I quote:

One of the world's most encouraging trolls was pronounced dead today in his corroding adobe home. "Alan_Thicke was a great Troll", says a local homeless woman. "I will miss Alan_Thicke and I'll miss the smell." At approximately 1:35PM EST, neighboring trolls noticed a smell of cleanliness and upon investigating the source, were directed to the mound Alan_Thick occupied. "We just saw him there, and he smelt unlike anything else and so we buried him 'cause we know what is best for Alan_Thicke", says a local, scraggly and green-tinged, angry Troll that occupies a garbage can. A local construction business waived all liability due to the fact that one of their porta-jons had been placed upon Alan_Thicke's adobe home 3 months earlier and removed."

A tragic day, indeed. I will miss Alen_Thicke.

Same Date/Time??

[fishexe]

So am I to understand that all the other parties are also to occur on the 12th, having seen no indication to the contrary?

Re:Well, arghh..

[Lemmy Caution]

You will get a lot closer to figuring out women when you start figuring out yourself, and realize that neither men nor women really want to be figured out. They want to be related to, respected, turned on, loved, left alone, supported, admired, and played with. Not figured out. I'm not attracted to women who make figuring me out a project, I'm hardly surprised to find out that converse is true.

A stupid one...

[eclectric]

Any american living in the past 8 months or so who can't see that is too blinded by flags to see reality clearly.

Kansas

[macdaddy]

What, no one wants to host a party in Kansas? Fine! I'll drink for all of you!

Re:Kansas

[macdaddy]

I used to run their mailing list for them. Manhattan is 5 hours from me. Topeka, a little over 4. Lawrence, about 2 and some change (but I hate Gay-U!). Wichita, 3 on the dot. 1.5 from south KC. I don't think I'll be around for the party though. :(

Bill Gates practices sorcery! O_O

[Luke-Jr]

He's going to /5/ parties... most likely all on the same day...

Trollzilla on the beach

[mpweasel]

We'll be playing pin the tail on CowboyNeal, after that Frost the Pist, and at night we'll be bobbing for Grunion.

What about pin the tail on goatse guy??

Mozilla has really evolved well on Windows

[jskarzin]

I've watched Mozilla for Windows grow quite a fair bit from humble beginnings; and I'm really quite impressed with how it has developed. I'm sure there are people who would jump to say it was always fast and better and faster than Internet Explorer; but this is from a view point with modest hardware. I've always used Internet Explorer before simply because it was fast. Click and it booted, no wait and no pain ;). Now, finally, I am writing this post using Mozilla RC3 Windows binaries, and it is faster to boot than Internet Explorer; even on lower hardware, and the page loading time is much faster not to mention a faster render time. I'd just like to give a big congratulations to the Mozilla development team, because they've managed to, without access to the very internals of the operating system, create a browser faster than one that does. Good job, and it can only get better from here :-).

Mozilla?

[dolby2]

I don't even use mozilla, I can't see a good reason too when Opera is around. The only thing I ever celebrate is when a new stable kernel is released, which seems to be many moons ago...

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[stevey]

Sounds like you could use some Lesbian GNU/Linux

Seriously you made some good points - but not all the people (men?) that will be at the parties will be the stereotype you present.

Some of us will be decent people who just happen to like Mozilla - well I say us, but there's no party in Scotland :(

The nerds become socially acceptable

[theolein]

This alone makes going to one of these parties worthwhile. Now if only we could explain this to the rest of society.

New York City Release Party

[mu_wtfo]

Ack! Our party has been Slashdotted!! Anyway, for any folks who want to party, in addition to the 800,000 or so who have signed up in the past 2 hours, the gig is at Remote Lounge, in the East Village. Our web site is (graciously!) hosted at mozdev.org.
The date is currently scheduled for Friday, the 7th, but it might move to the 12th, to coincide with the bash at DNA Lounge.
Party on!

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[Fiver-rah]

Look, look, I know that most of the people reading/posting on /. aren't like this. That's why I said in my original post that I knew it wasn't everyone, or even most of everyone on slashdot who was like this. Hell, most of my best friends read slashdot (male & female). No, I don't believe that everyone on slashdot is a whiny bastard who deserves to wallow alone in freakish loneliness. No, I don't think that slashdot is a monolithic community represented fully by each of its posters.

My comment was directed only at people who regularly whine/joke about lack (or quality) of women. It wasn't meant to be a blanket statement condeming all slashdotters, nor by illogical extension, everyone at the Mozilla party.

If you're already decent, as most of you are, move along. There's nothing to be seen in that comment.

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[stevey]

Sure point taken ..

Most geeks don't want a geeky woman though.

[wackybrit]

It's true. You're whining about geeks asking for pretty ladies, which then pushes respectable female geeks away. Your point is good, but... most geeks don't want a geeky woman!

Who wants a woman that can code better than you? Who wants a woman who understands the ins ands outs of Linux? Not me! Sure, I don't want a total airhead, but an artist, a musician, a doctor, those are all very skilled things, but mean that the woman isn't a total geek.

I couldn't think of anything worse than having a girlfriend/wife who did anything closely related to my line of work. Variety is the spice of life you know.

Re:Most geeks don't want a geeky woman though.

[Xenopax]

Here here. That's the reason I keep chasing all these artsy type women. Too bad most of them like artsy guys. :-(

Of course all that means is when I find the right girl she'll be exceptional. :-)

Re:Most geeks don't want a geeky woman though.

[The Evil Beaver]

I like geek girls. I fall for geek girls. I'd enjoy having a girlfriend/wife who understands what I'm blabbing on about, instead of one that just stares at me when I talk about work.

Variety can be found in other things that you deal with every day.

My PArTy - Nakkid Gurlz

[bushboy]

I wil jave party wif nakid girlz

like zomilla - gud browbser, parties on !

Yay mofizla is 1.o many yers laters tha it should-been, woop an crashis like daemon broken sumtimes.

ParTy woop - nakid gurlz.

Bring it on you fiery lizard - it's now or never.

If RMS is getting attention...

[J3zmund]

...wouldn't Linus be playing with his daughters somewhere _upstage_?

one thing:

[jemele]

more beer.

Well ranted!

[danro]

Two things:

• I am a boy.
• What you said needed to be said!

The geek community at large has a awkward attitude at best towards women. A lot of my geek friends are either raving sexists in denial, view women as some kind of aliens, or ignore them altogether.

This makes a lot of girls hesitate to get into computers and that is truly a shame.
Those are 51% of the potential braincells alive we are talking about! There might be dozens of potential female Linuses out there for all we know!

If nothing else, I bet more geek girls would make my male geek friends a lot less irritating...
Am I the only male geek out there with 50%+ female friends?

Re:parties for a web browser?

[shepd]

>It's a commodity. Nothing special.

A commodity is an especially good thing. Read the definitions below:

commodity Pronunciation Key (k-md-t)
n. pl. commodities

1. Something useful that can be turned to commercial or other advantage: "Left-handed, power-hitting third basemen are a rare commodity in the big leagues" (Steve Guiremand).
2. An article of trade or commerce, especially an agricultural or mining product that can be processed and resold.
3. Advantage; benefit.
4. Obsolete. A quantity of goods.

Oh, and YHBT, YHL, HAND.

Still haven't tried it...

[JonMartin]

I'll party for Mozilla as soon as it actually runs on OpenBSD.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[shobadobs]

Actually, it's called Mozilla 1.0; it's not slow, it has less bugs and less bloat than IE, and it doesn't even try to do what Internet Explorer does.

What does IE do? It renders HTML and CSS in a purposefully incorrect fashion, and extends endlessly upon those languages as well, in very stupid and rediculous fashions.

What does Mozilla do? Instead, its goal is to render web pages according to the W3C standards (a.k.a. correctly). Gee, which is better?

Re:parties for a web browser?

[shobadobs]

..says a person who hasn't used it in the past thirteen builds. I haven't found a tech-minded person who wasn't amazed by the abilities of Mozilla. Can you do tabbed browsing, popup killing, and ad server blocking in IE?

You do not work for Los Alamos!

[jerryasher]

The main directory at Los Alamos National Laboratory is (well, look it up, let's not /. them) but it is in the 505 area code.

I called. I asked for Angela Taylor's direct number. They have never heard of Angela Taylor. I asked if she might be at another facility. They said that if she was, she would be listed in their directory.

Angela, you should call human resources. Perhaps you've been riffed and you haven't been told yet.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[sunking2]

Give me a break, its a web browser. I'm amazed at how the OS community can rally behind such a benign piece of software. It doesn't exactly run a nuke power plant or help us get to Mars. The fact that it amazes people meerly shows how pathetic the lives of alot of people are.

the other view.

[Penguinoflight]

Well, MAYBE lets say I was a guy, which is easy because I am, and lets say the idea of the post was Parties are kinda dull without girls, and the ratio of girls will be low!

Droves of Geek Girls?? Get a life! Girls' minds as a general rule are incompatible with machines, computers, and all the other stuff guys like. Girls will never be as geeky, of as many as guys, sorry, no linda torvalds.

This is a sexist post, but then we're talking about sexes aren't we?

Re:parties for a web browser?

[cscx]

Remember, even back then, IE was *just* a web browser, and, for the most part, still is.

Till Mozilla can sweep the floor, wash the car, or suck me off for free, it will still be *just* a web browser to me.

Re:parties for a web browser?

[Flower]

I triple-dog dare you to crash the DNA Lounge when they throw the party and go a-mozilla-trolling with that line.

5-1 odds alen gets a drink in the face before JWZ can pour him one on the house. Takers? Ringers? I'll split the pot 50/50.

Re:Mozilla terribly slow for anyone else?

[rapidweather]

I'm running Build 2002052607, which was a nightly that I got before the weekend. There may be one out now that is later. I'm using RHL 7.1, on an IBM 350 upgraded to a 200 mhz processor, with 128 mb ram. 5400 rpm 20 gb maxtor HDD. I have no speed problems at all. The typing into the url area is normal, with almost no delay, perhaps 1/4 second or so, certainly no 3 seconds. As I make this post, TOP shows 96.3 idle, and the swap file shows zero K in there. I do not know what has slowed your system down, and wonder how Opera 6.0 for Linux performs. That one is very quick also. I am running tests between the Windows version of Mozilla, and the Linux version, on this same computer (partitioned), and have a hard time telling the difference. Windows seems to have an edge, and also displays the fonts better than RHL.

Re:Mozilla terribly slow for anyone else?

[rapidweather]

• http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/pathway.htm l

btw, my load times for the above page (using dialup) are: 12.441 seconds first time, then 2.772 seconds returning to the page. You might test your browser to see what Mozilla reports as the time required to get to "Document: Done.

Urr

[RoC MasterMind]

Test.

Mozilla Release Party in Schenectady NY

[sputnik73]

For those of you in the Schenectady NY, and in hopes of getting a good turnout, there will be a Mozilla Release Party in North College in room 312. Please come by and celebrate with us. Punch and pie will be provided along with a live band. It should be a good time for all. The party will last a few hours but all are welcome to stay for as long as desired. There will be a nice theatre setup and we've got Empire queued up and ready to be played. ;-)

Re:parties for a web browser?

[ObviousGuy]

The one that is supported by the most web developers. In other words, IE.

But that was a simple question.

Irony, smirony

[npsimons]

JWZ resigned in a very public manner from the Mozilla project and now the official release party is at the DNALounge, the club that JWZ started? Irony abounds..

Did it ever occurr to you that maybe Jamie doesn't harbor any ill-will towards the makers of Mozilla? That maybe he just resigned because he wanted a change and was sick of coding 24/7 on a project that (to him) appeared to be going nowhere? I mean, for crying out loud, the world isn't all black and white, friends and foes (slashdot user system to the contrary . . .).

dumb laws

[Alien Being]

Makes me think of what happened to a friend of mine when he was in college in NH.

He and 3 others were on the way back to campus. The driver, who was over 21 stopped and bought a sixpack. He put it in the trunk. The cops, who apparently had the place staked-out, arrested my friend and one of the other passengers.

They argued that the kids had access to the beer because of the fold-down rear seat. The law enforcement community was too stupid to keep terrorists out of 767 cockpits, but they've got folding car-seats down to a science.

Fscking New Hampshire cops with their "live free or die" license plates hauling away a kid who had never touched a drop of booze in his life. Can i put the bullet in my gun now Andy, can I?

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[geschild]

You go, girl!

...

Uhm. I mean... You stay, girl!

...

No that's not coming out right either...

Oh what the hell...

Except for that part about operating systems causing men to do anything but kill -9, SEGV or TRAP women and the part where you 'switch' operating systems, I think I like you (in the nicest posible way).

Anyway, I hope you have a great party and I think you can be pretty sure the whiners will be too busy whining to be there to spoil it for you.

whine? observation.

[Trepidity]

I don't see it as a whine -- merely an observation that there aren't many girls at these sorts of things. I generally don't mention it, but if you look around at any sort of "geeky" gathering it's obvious that the ratio is 95/5 if you're lucky (more like 99/1 often). The Linux conventions are actually some of the more balanced ones, comparatively (often even with 90/10 ratios!). Take a look around at a Magic: The Gathering tournament sometime and note the number of girls present.

alpha parties

[Tottori]

I don't know about Mozilla, but a lot of these parties don't look release-quality! Take the London party, which has 31 attendees signed up (some of whom may even be real people), and is taking place at an undecided location on an undecided date (probably at somebody's house or something). Or the New Zealand party, where the attendees won't necessarily know that they're at a Mozilla party (allegedly because they're all on drugs).

I guess that's just another thing that will be fixed for 1.1.

It is not easy for them to change.

[Futurepower(R)]

"Seriously people, if you want women to go to your parties, don't alienate them."

Seriously, a lot of programmers are the way they are because they were traumatized in childhood. They got into programming because they were needing the logic to counteract the illogic of their lives with their parents.

So, while your post is valuable, it is not easy for them to change. When they are around something that reminds them of the potential of being a warm and caring individual, they experience a huge amount of hidden inner conflict.

Your real hostility came out in this post.

[Futurepower(R)]

Your real hostility came out in this post. Read your post from the viewpoint of someone who is the target of that hostility. Would you know how to act around someone who is making you the target of hostility? Would you ever feel comfortable around hostility?

Re:Yes! A party!!!

[alexandre]

Here is the link :-)

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Re:parties for a web browser?

[abdavidson]

If you'd not been quite so condescending I'd have agreed with you. It's the biggest open source etc etc but it is just a touch "pizza and coke and no sunlight damnit" to have worldwide parties for a software launch.

Having said that, it's not a bad browser, once you get rid of the extraneous non-browser stuff that is. I really don't like all this tight integration products. I want a web browser, I want a mail client, I want an IRC/messaging client, I want an HTML editor (er.. do I?). I want them to talk to each other but I don't want them to be one big mishmashed sloppy family.