WiFi & Cellular Unite

blake213 writes "Newsfactor is reporting a story on how WiFi Metro and Green Packet are teaming up to do a 90-day field test of combined WiFi and cellular romaing technologies in the S.F. Bay Area. Supposedly a user can roam between two coverage areas with uninterrupted service."

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I'll believe it when I see it....

[indigofire.net]

or more appropriately, when I see the bill for it!

Re:I'll believe it when I see it....

[Anonymous Coward]

....good for SF Bay,

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Relations - nerd never gets the girl

[bunungs]

I will start this article by first explaining a bit about myself. I'm pretty much a nerd. Life goes on, if you don't like that then stop reading now. By many of the females I know I'm considered a 'nice guy' something that I have always been uncomfortable with. Not for the fact that deep down I long to be 'not nice' to the opposite sex and pick them up by using such wonderful techniques as "Dumb Sports Star", "Date Rapist" and my 'favourite' "Finished school, no direction, maccas employee" - but more on these type of people later. I want to be not 'the nice guy' for the sole fucking reality that the nice guy never gets the girl. This summery of the past few months will once again prove that this is the case.

This 'saga' of what I now feel compelled to call, "The worst fucking luck on earth", began after a girl who I'd grown to like a fair amount dumped my sorry ass. But at the time it was what I wanted as well, I just don't have the guts to hurt people's feelings, and prefer to take the pain of carrying on instead of breaking it off. We split because of religious differences, that is I am and atheist, and she's not. And in my poor fucking foresight I lost a good friend because I was too stupid to realise what a nice person she was. But that is water under the bridge now.

During this time bitching and moaning about how there was never going to be a girl for me, I was sub-consciously seduced by the girl who this article really centres about. Oh and when I mean girl I think I really mean, mentally unstable she-bitch. She had been in my class the whole year, she was not the greatest looking girl in the world, but she accepted me for who I was and I felt compelled to return the favour. So after what was probably 3 months of courting I asked her out, now you see, I didn't really ask her out because I lusted after her, but because I didn't know where to take the relationship to next, she was female and my best friend, and well being 17 and under-sexed, my hormones got the better of me. At the time I actually asked her out I was quite horny, as I'd just witnessed the greatest aphrodisiac that is on this earth - The Harry Potter Movie, and the reaction I got from her needed no words to reply. She shoved her tongue down my throat, I hadn't expected that kind of reaction, but that's what I got.

Now we progress a few months to, if my sieve of a brain can recall, just after Christmas time. By this stage I had grown accustomed to her, and every minute I spent by her side made me very happy. But she calls me into her room crying, she asks if we can call it off. I ask why, then after a while talking about it, she changes her mind, but after that I'm fairly sure that she still wanted to be with me, at least for 3 more months. So 3 more months pass and it was the night of her birthday, I was just comfortable, I felt like there was nothing that could break us up. Then 2 days later she comes over to my place, tears my heart out, starts the lawnmower, rides over it a couple of times, and to make sure my ability to care for a member of the opposite sex won't ever work again she picks up the pieces wraps them in a bag, and takes them to what I assume is her lair to consume for dinner that night. That I was fine with, it gives a nerd a bad reputation to have a girl friend. But as she left, she gave me hope, she said something to the affect of, "It's just that I don't have time for a boy friend right now, I have work, school, and music - I bet you that I will regret this decision in a few days and we'll get back together." She also said, "It's not you it's me" But I just laughed at her when she said that, she knew the second she said it that it was a stupid thing to say as I deconstructed it right there and then in front of her.

ANYWAY FOLKS THESE WORDS WERE JUST DECEPTION AND LIES ON HER PART!

After giving me the standard "2 months so that I don't feel guilty about dumping my boy friend for another guy" period. She seduces another poor soul. This is a guy that she works with at maccas. Whilst I have bitter feelings towards the guy, which I have never met, I know that he is not to blame. Actually maybe he is the fucking basted.

Oh well enough back story

In the introduction I made a slight reference to the kind of guy that I'm not and will hopefully never be - but unfortunately, they are also the ones that get the girls.

Dumb Sports Star - This is the most common kind of male at my homo-erotic school (not that there's any thing wrong with being gay, as long as your family accepts you and your happy). All they care about is sport, sex and alcohol. You can commonly witness these kinds of people driving Utes, even though they live 4 minutes drive from school and have no use for the tray. There method of getting a girl is looking for the most pretty, dumb thing that walks there way. According to there morals there is no need for brains when you are shagging something. But the jokes on them when they get there girlfriends pregnant because they didn't' use a condom. Well done sports brain!

Date Rapist - Whilst not technically a rapist in this situation, these are the most dodgy people at our school, they love there FUBU jackets and visors. They smoke quite a bit, and have no objection to beating people up and breaking any rule to get things there way. There preferred method to getting a girl is to either spike there drink with rookies or to just wait till the girl has drunken so much that she doesn't know up from down, left from right, or nice sensible nerd from possible date rapist. They move in for the kill, but not to worry, it's usually over in about 2-3 minutes, as there dick's are either too small to find, or they only have the stamina of an African humming bird.

Finished school, no direction, maccas employee - These fuckers are the ones I despise the most, because this is what I was dumped for. Now to quote my ex (the night I officially discovered she had a new boyfriend, even though I'd pieced it together over a week before) "I don't know, he's 19, I'm 17, he has an OK taste in movies, but we're from different worlds. He enjoys getting drunk with his friends, and I'm not like that", now WTF!?! Why are you going out with this guy? Why is she attracted to this guy? The answer is because he fits into one of my unfairly created stereotypes. Now for the deconstruction of this stereotype: Whilst not all are bad people, they feel a compelling urge to solicit younger girls, stealing them from the age group that they are actually from, yet after a while the girl realises that she is dating someone with no direction that always wants his way. If the girl doesn't get out of the trap they are destined to become a working mother, divorced by age 30. They make there move by just being themselves, lazy slackers. The female is instinctively drawn to this by there, "Oh my maybe I can fix him and make him respectable gene", but this is usually overpowered by the males, "WOMAN, get me a beer" gene.

Now any nerds or "not-normal" people out there. Unless you want to live a lonely life, suggest that you become one of these kinds of men or your girlfriend will leave you for one. Me? I would rather die alone then let that happen, so I guess I'm fucked These guys will do anything to get some poon, and that unfortunately means your lady friends are also on the menu.

Life is pain, and pain is life. Lucky I wasn't in love or some shit like that.

Re:Relations - nerd never gets the girl

[Anonymous Coward]

Like you, I am a nerd, and am not a member of the not-nice-guys set of categories. My girlfriend, who I love, and have been with for four years now, turned me down the first time I asked her out. During the next two years she dated loser after loser, got raped, hit, ignored each by different people.

Suddenly I looked a lot more appealing. Choosing the "nice guy" in the first place saves trouble that will follow you for the rest of your life, ladies. We're the ones you're comfortable talking to, the ones who don't scare you.

Obviously, my girlfriend learned that lesson, and saw that stopping to judge the real value of a person is better than ignoring him because he seems weirder than some "really cool guy". It's a lesson that you shouldn't have to learn at all. It should be obvious that a nice person is a better person, and more worthwhile.

So here I am, happy now, suffered before, and probably only finally got recognition because someone else had to do something torturous and evil to make it happen. These things can't always be prevented. People make mistakes, but they should really think things through.

Re:Relations - nerd never gets the girl

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey man, I know how you feel. A similar thing happened to me, the only differences being that I actually really loved my girl, and the bastard who seduced her away is a fucking spotty ginger geek.

Don't worry, you will get over it eventually. Whether you actually will want another relationship is another matter - I have dismissed anything like that since then, despite having a few girls 'telling me how they feel' etc.

Hope you feel better soon, and don't do anything crazy like hit the guy or burn his house down, you most likely will regret it. You sound like a nice sort of guy who is above such things as that.

Re:Relations - nerd never gets the girl

[Anonymous Coward]

Well as life goes own, people hopefully get more mature. Speaking from experience, I used to go for the wierdo chicks, because they were interesting. Nothing attracted me more than an interesting-looking (maybe had odd piercings, or very short hair, or a curious but pretty face) girl who didn't say much about herself, who had a lot hidden away.

Unfortunately, five out of six of these girls turned out to be crazy whores. Crazy, because they were a bit odd in the head emotionally and more likely to get in some bad mood. One was actually certified mentally ill and had been sectioned before. Most were depressed a lot of the time. Whores, because they were so desperate for attention that despite going out with me, they would persist in throwing themselves at any other guy who showed an interest. This is how most of those relationships ended.

The one who wasn't a crazy whore .. well, that relationship just ended due to personality differences. Basically, we argued too much. She was nice, though, and occasionally we still talk. Cordial, like.

But after the worst break up I had ever experienced (this was with one of the five mental girls), I realised a lot of things that I just hadn't considered before. A whole new outlook on life.

One of the things I realised is that it is best to go for the nice girls, the ones you can talk to. The ones least likely to go crazy on you. Most importantly, the ones you can trust the most.

For many months after, I stopped searching for a girlfriend. It sort of happened by accident almost, but then I met my current girlfriend, Vicki, brandishing a charity box in the city centre. Nice looking girl, in a not bizarre way. Put my pennies in and just got chatting to her.

And from there, love grew. I just can't describe how nice she is! We can talk about anything and we really understand each other. It's fantastic. I know she feels the same way about me too, unlike the crazies described earlier who would just say it for attention.

So the moral of this story is that not only should girls go for nice guys if they know what's good for them, but guys should go for nice girls too. It makes sense!

90 days???

[Anonymous Coward]

I am reporting that myself and my hand are teaming up for a 90 day field test on chafing. NOW THATS STUFF THAT MATTERS!

WiFi networks everywhere

[vidnet]

Seems wifi is popping up everywhere, so anyone with a laptop can get access anywhere...

It's just that people who need constant access aren't really the kind of people who like to go outside :)

Sharp Light! Sharp liiight!

Re:WiFi networks everywhere

[invenustus]

I have a dream. I dream that someday I will drive around these United States with my laptop in the shotgun seat or in the back, listening to Internet radio. (MLB radio, if we're being totally honest.) So in fact, there are people who DO go outside and need permanent connections.

It drives me crazy that there are any number of companies providing cheap digital voice and text messaging services, but they can't do a simple TCP/IP link.

There's one problem I see. If I'm talking on my Cingular phone, and I drive out of Cingular's coverage area and into Cellular One's, they're smart enough to start routing my calls that way. However, if I were using an IP address owned by Cingular, is Windows smart enough to let Cellular One tell it I have a new IP address now?

And when that fails...

[flipflapflopflup]

they can aim there mobile at Jim's house.

WiFi is evil

[Anonymous Coward]

WiFi is evil. Do not support it.

Why? It is in the details.

GPRS

[Mwongozi]

For clarification, they're talking about data access, not voice.

I'm a bit confused, though. Isn't this what GPRS is supposed to accomplish?

Re:GPRS

[blacksmith]

I'm a bit confused, though. Isn't this what GPRS is supposed to accomplish?

WiFi runs a lot faster than GPRS. Eight slot GPRS will give you about 115.2 kbps, whereas WiFi gives you ~10 Mbps. Both are best case figures.

Re:GPRS

[Anonymous Coward]

Welcome to my foes list, MOTHERFUCKER!
You're worse than the god damn Israelis/Palestinians/Indians/Pakistanis!

Re:GPRS

[tomsparrow]

GPRS is only 2.5G though, 3G will close the gap slightly. I do wonder if it's worth the effort given what you can use a portable device for anyway.
Email and web browsing don't need 10Mbps. I suppose you could pull MP3's (or vorbis) while wandering round town, but I would still get them at home where bandwidth is (and will be for some time yet) cheaper and carry them with me.

"3G promises increased bandwidth, up to 384 Kbps when a device is stationary or moving at pedestrian speed, 128 Kbps in a car, and 2 Mbps in fixed applications." (Webopedia)

Re:GPRS

[dk.r*nger]

Basically, yes..

But you still have to pay for GPRS access ($20/mb in Denmark), whereas Wi-Fi is free and thus prefered over mobile access when available..

- Ranger

Re:GPRS

[dk.r*nger]

Oops... make that $2.. not $20

- Ranger

Re:GPRS

[blacksmith]

EDGE will offer about 3x the data rates of GPRS whilst still using similar technology. So, it would be around the 350 kbps mark in (very) good radio conditions. 3G technology (in the current delayed timeframe) is looking less revolutionary and more evolutionary all the time.

Re:GPRS

[cyberformer]

Even that is too optimistic for GPRS. No-one has actually made an 8-slot GPRS terminal, because each slot requires as much bandwidth (and more importantly, as much energy, leading to overheating) as a regular voice channel. The fastest is 57.6k (4-slot) down, 43.2k (3-slot) up.

Of course, GPRS can cover several miles, whereas W-Fi's range is around 100m. There's always a trade-off.

Re:GPRS

[RFWarrior]

I think long term GPRS or 1XRTT will be the best solution. Let's face it. Cellular/PCS already has the towers and the bandwidth. Cellular, at least here in the US, already has really good coverage. If you could just have private networks (wireless lan) and macro coverage/service offered by the cellular providers.

Re:GPRS

[droolinggeezer]

I am actually implementing this trial. The trial is roaming between the 802.11b network that WiFi Metro uses (my network) and Verizon's 2.5G CDMA data service, although it can be extended to most any network. The trial can carry voice (VoIP) although probably with some bumps between networks. While data roaming is the goal of GPRS and the other 2.5G and 3 G networks, realistically they cannot provide the burst data rates possible with WiFi, at least not now. Browsing (at least newly visited sites ) at 64-100Kbs is a real snore. As you can discover at Greepackets' web site, their solution is based on standard MobileIP technology (you know, mobile node, foreign agent, home agent stuff) combined with very smart client software. No one is representing this trial as a "solves all problems" solution, but, for those of us with the goal of ubiquitous, high-speed wireless internet access, it's a very interesting start.

Music

[Anonymous Coward]

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OT: Warm Bawls??

[Anonymous Coward]

I see these ads for desktop refridgerators. They mention warm bawls? What the heck is a bawl?

Phreak City

[joe_fish]

Well I dont see any reason why this is not possible - the hardware for WiFi and Cellular would seem to be *fairly* similar technology (radio + CPU). So in theory if you could register on one network, and when signal strength goes down, just register on the other. The biggest technical problem from what I can see would be for IP addrs and routers.

But you can bet it will be a phreakers heaven. Bruce Schneier is always saying that holes occur when you try to force together 2 systems that were not designed to work with each other.

I'm willing to bet that stealing other users sessions will be common place for quite a while if they ever get the thing into full production ...

Re:Phreak City

[blacksmith]

The biggest technical problem from what I can see would be for IP addrs and routers.

It seems the system gets round this - essentially it's one network, and the IP follows the user around. From the article:

A single IP address can be used in multiple mobile networks, including those based on next-generation standards.

I assume this is handled by Green Packet's SONaccess IP routers. The article is basically about (one of) the first use(s) of this system.

Re:Phreak City

[RFWarrior]

From years of experience working in the Cellular industry (RF Design Engineer), I don't see any way the cell providers will share the revenue. If you have a marginal signal, just let the other guy serve the data/voice call...I have trouble seeing it happen. If this was easy to do and the providers wanted to do it, they would have done it with voice (remember "one number" portability?). The other issue here is having a data modem that monitors receive signal levels across several different freq bands and then the switches smart enough to remember who is where. I agree that this could be done with one IP, I think that's the goal long term. But company "A" isn't just going to give up revenue to company "B"....and if they do, it will be for a premium.

romaing?

[delphi125]

Who taught this guy to spell? Taco?

WiFi and Bluetooth unite

[Anonymous Coward]

There are now also chipset which combine WiFi and Bluetooth. I.e. the plugin card can be used for both protocols and they both share the same antenna.

More music

[Anonymous Coward]

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Music to your sweet ears, my love, is like catching spiders with a Hoover.

Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[ahfoo]

It's really too bad that there's no Linux alternatives for the Pocket PC platform because it seems like it's finally taking off. Taiwan OEMs are going nuts this year at Computex with wireless Pocket PCs and stories like this about ironing out the wrinkles in GPRS are starting to convince me this might become a significant market where I used to be convinced it was an overpriced gimmick. If the prices come down into the few hundred dollar range in the next few years these things might become ubiquitous.

Re:Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[Mwongozi]

Well isn't the Linux competition for PocketPC... uh, Linux?

You can already install Linux on an iPAQ, other hardware can't be too tricky.

Re:Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[Anonymous Coward]

Most european mobile phone manufactures are using Symbian OS on mobile terminals. MS-Pocket PCs are bloated and slow compared to them.

Re:Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[tomsparrow]

I think some people might disagree with the being no linux alternatives.

Re:Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[ahfoo]

Nice links, thanks for that.
I'm definitely going to follow up on this Ipaq Linux stuff. As for the Zaurus, I was under the impression that it relied on a lot of Java.
A company I work with was considering using Linux on a line of Pocket PC type devices, but they thought they needed to use a lot of Java and that the licensing costs for Java were actually expensive compared to going with MS when they added in all the in-house development they had to do.
But I must admit I didn't know about iPaq Linux. If it's less dependent on Java it might be quite interesting.

Re:Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[ahfoo]

Well, phones are one thing, but I was talking about the Pocket PC as in the platform rather than the software because that's what Taiwan OEMs are going to crank out so that's what will become the commodity hardware and the default standard. I understand that Pocket PC is only a Microsoft standard, but it's not just a software standard. It's a quite specific hardware standard as well.
The current generation is built on StrongArm206 CPUs and the Xscale 400MHz CPUs are coming already in production so bloated software isn't really as big of an issue as it is on say a cell phone.
I think this IPaQ stuff looks very intriguing, but I'm afraid my suspicions are confirmed on further research. They've got TWM up with a few basic apps that need major tweaking just to view properly. This is a far cry from KDE or Gnome with OpenOffice Lite and Navigator for PocketLinux.
I'm not complaining. I'm just surprised nobody is more aggressive in this market as it looks like the volume is definitely heading north on these puppies and the dealing would be done as a wholesale licensing rather than retail so it should be profitable. The big question mark is, how much is Windows really charging for licenses? Who knows?

Re:Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[DigitalCH]

I think you should take a look at the new Pocket-PC's. Some of the new smart phone stuff is pretty cool: http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/phones/default.asp I also saw a demo unit recently of a normal pocketpc that was also a phone. It was really sweet. The linux stuff is just too far behind on the ppc right now. There needs to be better gui support as well as integration.

Re:Where's the Linux competition for Pocket PC?

[ahfoo]

Tale a look at Pocket PCs? I work with a major Pocket PC OEM.
But that's not why I'm posting. I wanted to follow up on that Symbian link. Hey, that's actually the hot tip. Thanks.
I was making the mistake of thinking is was Ximian so I was sort of dismissing it out of hand as I was just at the Ximian site a few weeks ago and there was nothing about wireless. But Symbian, hey, they've got it goin' on. And the MS troll above should take a look as well.

GPRS are different

[jukal]

WLAN is a short-range solution, GPRS is long (or mid)-range. WLAN provides (if available) relatively high band-width for limited amount of users. GPRS provides more trustable relatively low-bit rate for more users. WLAN is governed by laws of a jungle. GPRS is strictly governed. I quess these are the main differences that the user will see, in addition that the standards are very different.

Nokia sells a card with support for both WiFi 802.11b and GPRS, maybe because the two things are different.

What you might see is automagic switch to 802.11b network when it's scanned to provide better and trustable bit-rate, and switch back to GPRS when the WLAN network fails.

Yet more music

[Anonymous Coward]

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Mmm .. yeah!

Goatse broke my relationship

[Anonymous Coward]

Last week I clicked that goatse link for the first time (it's disgusting). The next day, my gf said she wanted to "try something a friend told her" with my browser, so I let her loose on the Internet while I shower. The next day she broke up with me without explanation. Only when I asked her best friend did I learn that my gf was "horrified by something in my browser history". So I'd like to politely declare that you and your fellow trolls can go to hell with your frigging goatse link.

Re:Goatse broke my relationship

[anonymous cowfart]

Well if you surf sites like goatse.cx you don't deserve a girlfriend.

Tag Line Needs Improvement

[uk_greg]

Wouldn't "Come together, right now" have been a better choice?

Guess the old Beatles fan still exists in me.

Re:Tag Line Needs Improvement

[RFWarrior]

With NT (Nortel) at $2.21 today, they need to "come togehter" and start making some $$$$

Oh, this will be great...

[march]

Cool! Given the range of WiFi in my house, we will now have antenna towers every 50 feet rather than every quarter mile.

Hey, the tops of those telephone poles aren't being used - maybe we could use those. Go Global Irradiation!!

Re:Oh, this will be great...

[TheSync]

Hey, the tops of those telephone poles aren't being used - maybe we could use those. Go Global Irradiation!!

Uh, Ricochet units are already on poletops in some areas...but mostly turned off now.

Mobile IP has done this for years

[sbraab]

There is an IETF standard called mobile IP which has been capable of doing this for years. I have used it to roam from Fixed Etherenet to 802.11 to cellular with out losing any of my sessions. The are many implimentations available. Dynamincs is is an open source solution. Cisco has a complete line of solutions. As well as a number of other vendors. So why would you want a proprietary solution like the one from greenpacket.

Re:Mobile IP has done this for years

[skojt]

It's Mobile IP they are doing. Somewhere in the
text they are claiming to be RFC 3220-compliant.
The dynamics team has started a company doing this
and www.ipunplugged.com are also doing this.

Re:Mobile IP has done this for years

[gylle]

FYI: the company with people from the Dynamics team is Lifix Systems. And, as you say, Green Packet does this now, we (and Cisco and SUN) have done it for years...

I was thinking...

[swordboy]

Why don't cellular providers make an adapter to plug their cellular access into the junction box on the outside of a house? I use my cell phone as a primary (actually, I have two and it is still much cheaper than the rape provided by Ameritech) and this has worked well for me. I would really love it if I could plug in a cellular access module into my house so I could use my POTS infrastructure with the service.

Re:I was thinking...

[Anonymous Coward]

Sprint tested a wireless local loop plan in my town (Des Moines, IA) called Sprint Home Phone. I tried it for a few months and the service sucked so I dropped it. I can't find any info on it now, (maybe everybody thought it sucked) but the wayback machine has some stuff.
I don't see why similar hardware can't be used with any provider, though.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sprintho me phone.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/20010302193958/sprint ho mephone.com/WiLL-1900SC.asp

Re:I was thinking...

[RFWarrior]

I designed cellular for years. In the old days we actually had these "closet" units for fixed station cellular applications in remote homes (Hawaii, N. California). These units simply provided dial tone. I think this was required for Universal Service Funds back in those days. This box didn't use an existing POTS infrastructure, but that's a good idea. I know there are systems in place that are basically a cordless phone in the home and then hand-off to the cellular network. This still isn't quite what you're looking for, but it's still kind of cool. I think you have a valid idea, a black box with a fixed antenna that takes care of all the cellular overhead and basically uses the existing POTS stuff to deliver the voice.

Implimentation times..

[lionchild]

This sounds like a wonderful idea. While it'd be nice to be able to go sit in the park and get some exposure to the 'real world' outside, while having ones 'constant connection' to their laptop, how long will it take to push this sort of technology out from the heart of the Silicon Valley area?

I'm still waiting for Nextel to allow me to Direct Connect across regions, and they've really had most of the infrastructure for a while now. I think I'm more interested in seeing what sort of pricing structure and rollout schedule they're thinking of -if- things work out.

How do you pronounce WiFi?

[Anonymous Coward]

How do you pronounce WiFi?
Is it more like "Wye Fye" or "Wee Fee"? Or do you just say the letters?

Re:How do you pronounce WiFi?

[T-Punkt]

Like "Wi" in Wireless and "Fi" in Fidelity.
But usually I say 802.11b...

Re:How do you pronounce WiFi?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's pronounced "Airport."

Cheating Husbands Profit From Rampant Crime

[Anonymous Coward]

BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - Adulterous husbands in Brazil are reaping the benefits of rampant crime, finding what seemed the perfect alibi for their steamy extra-marital sessions by spinning a story of being kidnapped.

But not all can pull the wool over the police's eyes.

Police in Brasilia said on Wednesday they busted two men for false alibis and a third is under investigation after they pinned jaunts with other women on thugs and thieves.

Rogerio Carvalho Coelho, 22, and Flavio Damiao de Sousa, 33, told police they were seized by armed men, forced to surrender their ATM cards and PIN numbers and stuffed into the back of cars -- the flash or "lightning" mode of kidnapping that has surged across Brazil.

An anti-kidnapping police squad, trained at London's Scotland Yard and by the FBI (news - web sites), soon uncovered the hoax.

"Flavio went out for some fun with friends and some women and only came home at nine o'clock the next morning," said Miguel Lucena, a civil police spokesman in Brasilia. "Rogerio was gone for two days, off with other women too."

Under Brazilian (news - web sites) law, they could get one to six months in jail for filing a false report, although judges prefer to keep minor offenders out of prison with alternative sentences.

Police in Brazil's capital have registered 30 flash kidnappings this year. In another hoax case, a 21-year-old female student lied to her parents that she had been kidnapped, forcing them to pay a 3,000 reais ransom.

"Police found her off in Sao Paulo spending the money with her boyfriend," Lucena said."

I like it wide, baby!

[Anonymous Coward]

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"romaing" GET SPELLCHECK ASSHOLES

[Anonymous Coward]

This is REALLY FUCKING IRRITATING at this point, now that you are barraging us with huge ads. Stupid typos and 10-year-old grammatical errors are way too common in your news stories.

Why don't you hire just one competitent person to deal with it if you cannot? Or maybe get a spellchecker into slashcode?

For Christ's sake, get your shit together.

802.11 War Dialing

[bill_mcgonigle]

Meanwhile, the geeks at the Shmoo Group are finding open 802.11 networks and making VoIP calls over the 'participants' Internet connection. Very clever.

I see no reason why...

[hackwrench]

you shouldn't keep the IP from Cingular.

Powerline etherfast?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm surprise there arent more people using Linksys PLEBR10 ($79 ethernet over powerline). Seems like it is easier to set up a fast community network

Greenpacket's slogan

[eracerblue]

From the greenpacket homepage:

Always Connected ...... With or Without A Network

.... iiiinteresting....

I think it's about time to re-think that slogan. I smell "dot bomb" if I ever did smell one. phew!

no cellular or wifi comm permitted inside building

[Anonymous Coward]

no cellular or wifi comm permitted inside building

[OT] How do you pronounce 802.11b

[stere0]

I use "eight-oh-two dot eleven bee", I've also heard "eight-hundred and two dot eleven b" and "eight zero two one one b", what do you guys use?

Cell Phone - Land Line

[happynut]

check out http://www.vox2.com -- it does exactly this function -- it makes your cell phone drive wired (landline) phones.

The only downside is the phones they support are not the latest and greatest.

Re:"romaing" GET SPELLCHECK ASSHOLES

[droolinggeezer]

Don't you wish you had as little to do with your life as this jerk? This little outburst, if it is not merely the result of drug/alcohol-induced psychosis, makes me wonder how you get to work each day without being involved in a freeway shooting. I find your sludge much more annoying than even the worst examples of dyslexic fingers. And, speaking of fingers, here's one for you, moron. And, oh yeah, "competitent" is actually spelled "competent". But then you wouldn't know that, would you?