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Apple Offers eMacs To All

pinqkandi writes "Apple released the cool and cheap eMac a few weeks ago -- but for educational purposes only. Today, they announced that it is now available to everyone, for only $1099, making it the cheapest G4 Mac ever. I'll buy one." I won't, but I am glad people who want to buy it, can. It's a nice little machine. I guess Apple doesn't see it cutting into iMac G4 sales, but I wonder if iMac G3 sales (starting at $800) will suffer.

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  1. Only 128 megs? by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2
    Wow, what are they thinking? I really think they should have thrown more RAM in there, even if it cost a little more. OS X would probably go a lot faster.

    As it is, people will buy this eMac, complain about it being slow and tell all their friends, who will just assume Macs are slow.

  2. G3 iMac sales by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2
    I guess Apple doesn't see it cutting into iMac G4 sales, but I wonder if iMac G3 sales (starting at $800) will suffer.

    Of course it will--Apple doesn't have big plans to push yesterday's hardware and design as The Next Big Thing. The G3 iMac is right at the end of it's lifespan and has only stuck around this long to fill Apple's entry-level slot. The eMac will probably completely replace the old G3 iMacs before too long.

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  3. Pfah. by pb · · Score: 2, Funny

    What kind of a moron would expect mac users to run Emacs.

    And why aren't they using GNU instead of *BSD? Someone call RMS!

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  4. Re:crippled video? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Informative

    It can do 1152x768 and 1280x960. The back has a video out port for a second monitor, but it does not support dual monitors (only mirroring).

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  5. Of couse by ahknight · · Score: 2
    I wonder if iMac G3 sales (starting at $800) will suffer.


    Of COURSE they will. That's the point. They're replacing that model with a current model.

  6. 128 megs works just fine thanks... by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm using 128 megs on an G3 iMac (circa Jan 2000) and Mac OS X works great. Of course I don't use it for high end game playing, photoshop or other workhorse apps.

    For typical use (e-mail, browsing, an office suite), digital hub stuff (iPhoto, iTunes) and for unix-y program-y stuff, the eMac is likely to be a pretty good choice.

    Don't expect a machine billed as an 'educational computer' to blow the doors off your expectations.

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    1. Re:128 megs works just fine thanks... by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Certainly all the comments about RAM and OS X I've seen indicate that running it with less than 256MB significantly affects performance. My own experience is in line with that.

      Mine is, too, but I suspect that this was more true under 10.0 than it is under 10.1. I upgraded my laptop and my desktop to 256 MB and 640 MB, respectively, back in the 10.0.4 days. It made a noticable, although not astonishing, difference. But I've never seen 10.1.n run with 128 MB, so I can't say how it performs.

    2. Re:128 megs works just fine thanks... by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2
      I'm using 128 megs on an G3 iMac (circa Jan 2000) and Mac OS X works great. Of course I don't use it for high end game playing, photoshop or other workhorse apps.

      For typical use (e-mail, browsing, an office suite), digital hub stuff (iPhoto, iTunes) and for unix-y program-y stuff, the eMac is likely to be a pretty good choice.

      Well, your experience is totally different from mine. I was running my iBook with OS X's newest version (10.1.4, I think) with 128 megs, and I took darn near forever staring at that rainbow disk switching between Internet Explorer and Terminal. It was intolerably slow, and it really seemed to fly once I put it up to 384 megs. If you consider web browsing and emacs workhorse apps...

      Don't expect a machine billed as an 'educational computer' to blow the doors off your expectations.

      My fear is that people don't know what expectations to have--even if they're expecting OS 9-like performance with 128 megs, OS X will leave a bitter taste in their mouths. How much does another 128 megs cost, 50 bucks? Given the purpose of these machines is to introduce macs to kids, so they later buy more macs, is it really so wise to give kids the impression that "macs are slow"?

    3. Re:128 megs works just fine thanks... by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      (The difference between my iBook with 640 and his iMac with a gig is quite noticeable too, though I bet that the hard drive speed also comes into play here.)

      I'm too lazy to look it up and provide proof, but I believe there are significant differences in cache size and bus speed between the laptops and the desktops, as well.

  7. vi for emacs by Chacham · · Score: 3, Funny

    We all vie for eMacs, with vigor, no less, but rather more.

    1. Re:vi for emacs by ninewands · · Score: 2

      We all vie for eMacs, with vigor, no less, but rather more.

      I can't HELP myself ... I GOTTA do it ...

      If your going to plug this, you should link to this.

  8. CD ROM iMac? by daviddennis · · Score: 2

    That's a CD R/W.

    The next step up is a combo CD R/W + DVD.

    The top of the line is a DVD R/W.

    I don't think Apple will sell a system without a writable CD; they emphasize burning too much in their advertising.

    I'd really like to see a $999 eMac replacing the prehistoric iMac range entirely, but I guess the costs aren't quite there yet.

    D

    1. Re:CD ROM iMac? by frankie · · Score: 2

      DVD R/W

      Be careful with your terminology. The correct spelling is "DVD-RW" with a dash, to distinguish it from DVD-RAM and DVD+RW (with a plus).

      Also, the bottom-end eMac (schools only) comes with a vanilla CD drive, intentionally without burning capabilities. If the kids want to copy files, they'll have to use their iPods. :-)

    2. Re:CD ROM iMac? by daviddennis · · Score: 2

      Sorry - I should have said that I don't think Apple would sell a non-CD R/W system to consumers, as opposed to schools.

      And of course you are right to point out the existance of the two standards. It's worth noting that Apple chose the one most compatible with standard DVD players, which was surly the right decision for anyone who wants to produce a DVD playable by as many people as possible.

      D

  9. Good move Steve! by geethree · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a very big deal.

    Think about it. For those people considering buying a PeeCee...

    Feature for feature, from the 17" CRT to the G4 proc, 40g HD, USB, FireWire, ethernet, AirPort, and finally OS X... there is no better value on the market right now!

    $1099 for a desktop *nix box is huge, and just what Apple needs to lure disaffected wintel users to the Mac platform.

    --geethree

    1. Re:Good move Steve! by foobar104 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Budget system users want to be able to get on the internet, write some documents and maybe play some games. They can do that just as well if not faster with a $599 Dell system as they can with a $1100+ Apple system.

      If your premise were correct, your conclusion would undoubtedly be correct, too. But as it is....

      I think Apple's biggest success over the past two years has been marketing the idea of the digital hub. While it used to be true that the average first-time computer buyer was interested only in email, surfing, and Quicken, today's newbies want to play MP3s, connect their digital cameras, and make DVDs out of their home movies.

      Keeping up with these new trends just isn't practical with PC hardware running either Windows or Linux. Have you ever tried to capture video, edit a movie, and burn a DVD with either of those platforms? Nightmare!

      If all you're interested in is surfing and email, by all means, buy the Dell. But Apple's contention-- rightly or wrongly-- is that you should expect to be able to do more than that with your home computer. And I think they're doing a great job of promoting that point of view.

    2. Re:Good move Steve! by analog_line · · Score: 2

      Hell, if surfing and e-mail is all you need, shell out a couple hundred bucks for an original bondi iMac 233, throw YellowDog Linux on there, and you've got a surfing (Mozilla/Netscape) and e-mail (Ximian Evolution) machine, all in one, not to mention one that can rip/play MP3s while you're doing that with some decent speakers. You can even carry it with you. Try lugging around a cheapass Dell like that.

      I've got one sitting on my desk filling those simple roles quite nicely, and it didn't cost me a penny 'cause instead of throwing the old iMac away I just took it off my dad's hands. There are tons of the old iMacs lying around that are unloved. Go find one and make a friend for life!

    3. Re:Good move Steve! by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      shell out a couple hundred bucks for an original bondi iMac 233, throw YellowDog Linux on there, and you've got a surfing (Mozilla/Netscape) and e-mail (Ximian Evolution) machine....

      I think you've missed the point. Nobody who would buy an entry-level Dell would want to run Linux on anything.

      Truth be told, in terms of getting the job done quickly and easily, I wouldn't wish Linux on my worst enemy. It's just not a very effective OS for desktop use, unless your only goal is to fart around with Linux.

  10. Re:Only 128 megs? -- It can be upgraded. by pi+radians · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just so everyone knows:



    DON'T BUY RAM THROUGH APPLE!


    They are forced to pay a very high price for it and in doing so are forced to charge a lot for it. When you get a computer from Apple get the least amount of RAM possible and buy the rest seperately.

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  11. Hardware compatible with Linux on PPC? by molo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone have info about whether all of the hardware is supported for Linux on PPC?

    Thanks.

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    1. Re:Hardware compatible with Linux on PPC? by dadragon · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only potential problems are firewire stuff and the modem. The firewire controller might be supported, but the devices probably won't be.

      The modem in new iBooks and Powerbooks anyway are essentiall "MacModems" in the "WinModem" sense. Hardware interfaces for software synthesis of modem noise.

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    2. Re:Hardware compatible with Linux on PPC? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      According to the developer note, the firewire controller in the eMac is the same as in all other current Macs.

      As for the modem, the developer note is pretty confusing. It says "Internally, the second port of one [USB] controller is routed to the modem slot for an internal USB modem." and "The KeyLargo IC has a traditional Macintosh serial port that is connected to the modem slot." Is the modem on the USB port or the serial port?

    3. Re:Hardware compatible with Linux on PPC? by BitGeek · · Score: 2


      I believe these are consistent-- they mean USB when they say Serial, as USB is a serial format.

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    4. Re:Hardware compatible with Linux on PPC? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      A "traditional Macintosh serial port" is not a USB port.

  12. Re:Good news for Linux by foobar104 · · Score: 2

    Cheap powerful machines == more opportunities for Linux on the desktop. Thanks Apple!

    You've got a lot of nerve, coming to an apple.slashdot.org article and posting a comment about Linux on the desktop. Are you wearing your asbestos underwear, or what?

    Then again, looking at your posting history, it appears that you may just be a subtle and effective troll.

  13. Great news, we're getting one... by analog_line · · Score: 2

    ...for our little office here. It's really a great machine for businesses that already have a Mac presense, and for any who are moving into it. 1099 for the whole kit and kaboodle. It'll fit on any desktop. It's got more than enough power for anything aside from server stuff and serious film/video production work. No DVD, but for businesses, especially small businesses, that doesn't really matter a whole lot. It's got enough video memory to run the accellerated quartz features in Jaguar. We're going to be specing these things for serveral of our clients, and retiring the aging Cube we're using to pasture as a test machine and getting one for ourselves pretty soon. I'm just peeved that It's not gonna be mine.

    Just got back from the local Apple store and they've got a couple of them out there. Really sweet little machines.

  14. You're right... by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 2

    I have noticed that performance *has* improved dramatically from the pre-10.0.4 days. Once I upgraded to 10.1 and beyond, Mac OS X doesn't feel sluggish. Of course, YMMV.

    Last week foobar104 helped me determine I have a 'so what?' attitude to performance. I guess I've spent too many years on slow computers to care (for example, my current work machine is a Pentium II Laptop).

    Just last week I got in a 'discussion' with a guy who complained that Mac's suck because they use harddrives with slower RPMs and that his Wintel desktop machine was better because it could load Photoshop faster. To me, it's what you get accomplished AFTER the software is loaded which makes a difference.

    That being said, if I were getting a G4 eMac, I'd probably pop for the extra RAM.

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  15. Re:Lack of 'flashy' options by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

    The educational model still has a combo drive option available which suggests Apple doesn't want to cut into their combo drive supply by offering it to Joe Sixpack.

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  16. I hope you're kidding... by pb · · Score: 2

    I paid the same amount for my PC, and my PC has the same specs--40GB HD, USB, ethernet, Unix...

    The difference is, I bought mine TWO YEARS ago.

    So, really, what are you waiting for?

    Just FYI, I always price compare whatever I want to the equivalent Mac, because the hardware platform isn't that important to me. (Linux runs on Macs :) And before Apple killed the clones, I really was hopeful that there would be some price-competitive Macs on the market. But don't kid yourself; there aren't.

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    1. Re:I hope you're kidding... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 2
      Did you remember, when comparing prices, to include the fact that the eMac comes with a bundled 17" flat-tube monitor? I paid about $1300 for a similar system 2 years ago, but the monitor cost another $200. It really isn't fair to Apple to compare a PC sans monitor to the price of an i/eMac with a builtin CRT/LCD.

      Not only that, you get what is arguably the best GUI ever designed and excellent native UNIX video-editing software, which you just can't get on a PC. Plus, iPods are schweet and the Windows/Linux sync software for them are still in the dark ages (one thing I don't like is Apple's insistence on proprietary hardware). While I'm no Mac fanatic, I do believe that they have definite advantages in some areas.

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    2. Re:I hope you're kidding... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

      flat-tube monitor

      Yeesh. I thought "flat screen monitor" or "flat panel" sounded bad (Given that CRT manufacturers have been billing their monitors as flat for a long time).

      I wish people would use the terms "CRT" and "LCD". They're easy to say and aren't ambiguous

    3. Re:I hope you're kidding... by pb · · Score: 2

      I did remember, actually, but I never had to pay for a new monitor because I didn't need one. I've had this same 17" monitor for over 4 years, and originally got it with a P133; I think it cost ~$250 then, and would cost $200 now. This is one of the benefits of owning a PC; you aren't forced to buy a new monitor when you don't need one.

      If I wanted video editing software, I suppose I'd look for it, but I really have no talent for it; maybe a little more talent than I have for music tracking, but still no talent. :)

      The GUI I use (and am using now) is fvwm2, and for what I do, it might very well be the best GUI ever designed. It can open xterms, maintain virtual desktops, and stay out of my way, and that's a beautiful thing.

      I agree that Macs do have some advantages in some areas; I am staunchly not in those areas, but am, rather, in those areas where they have disadvantages. Therefore, by only comparing cost and not mentioning features, I am being more than fair. However, the OS doesn't really matter since I'd probably *still* install Linux on it. :)

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    4. Re:I hope you're kidding... by pb · · Score: 2

      I don't want an experience, and no Mac has never worked the way I want it to.

      Sell it to the masses; I've tried it, and for me, it's patently false, and I'm not a normal guy, either.

      I can be 100% Microsoft-free by simply running Linux, which I can also do on a Mac; however, there is no point paying a premium for a Mac if I'm going to run Linux on it.

      Adobe and Macromedia aren't apps; they are other big evil companies that aren't Microsoft, but wish they could have been...

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    5. Re:I hope you're kidding... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 2

      The eMac has a flat-tube CRT: a CRT with a flat, rather than curved, face. It is a CRT, not an LCD, and has a flat face. The term "flat-tube" is not at all ambigious to anyone familiar with modern CRT technology.

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  17. Re:Speaking of who needs a clue... by Lars+T. · · Score: 2
    That onboard horseshit is even more dated than the GeForce2, and was considered damn slow when it came out. If you have any data to support your view, feel free.

    And the G4 has the same size L2 as the Celeron.

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  18. Comparison test. by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 2, Informative

    I did just what you suggested on both my iMac DV SE (Jan 2000) and iBook (Sept 2001). Both of them have 128 megs RAM and Mac OS X 10.1.4.

    With Mozilla and Finder running I started Terminal. I got a prompt at the end of "3 hippopotamus" on both machines. Earlier when I had a few more programs open in the dock (BBedit, Help Viewer, System Preferences) it went up to "5 hippopotamus". Not great (and my 'stopwatch' sux), but not exactly forever.

    I'll take your tip and get some more ram when I have the chance.

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  19. What's in a Name? by ninewands · · Score: 2

    Hmmmmm ... wonder how long it'll be before THIS lawsuit happens??

  20. Price comparisons by dadragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Time for dadragon to compare the feature to feature price of the new consumer eMac to the old student eMac. Prices for students come from the University of Saskatchewan's computer store (ccs.usask.ca), consumer prices are from Apple's online store (Canada) All prices are Canadian Dollars.

    Student:
    Combo dvd/cdrw drive
    128mb ram
    40g HD
    Firewire
    Geforce2MX 32mb
    $1979

    Consumer:
    CDRW
    128mb ram
    40gb HD
    Firewire
    Geforce2MX 32mb
    $1794

    Well, the difference is $185. An external DVD reader costs more than $185, but an internal one is less. I think the consumer model is a better value, but the student model will likely go down in price at the next price update, so I think this will be my next desktop.

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  21. Sure, there are 'flashy' options! by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

    Read the pretentious component names:

    700Mhz PowerPC G4
    40GB Ultra ATA
    NVIDIA GeForce2 MX with 32 MB of DDR SDRAM
    Two 400-Mbps FireWire (IEEE 1394) ports (5); 8 watts shared
    (fortunately, Apple's long since stopped prepending all their new product names with Power or Quick) QuickTime
    Apple Pro Keyboard, Apple Pro Mouse

  22. Re:crippled video? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

    I hate to sound rude, but Apple has a Web site where you can easily read the specs.

  23. Re:Only 128 megs? -- It can be upgraded. by Golias · · Score: 2
    That gives me an idea. Why not introduce a RAM futures market introduced on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange?

    There's an opportunity to make a lot of cash in that idea, somewhere, I'm sure of it.

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