``NetBSD Live!'' Boots Directly Into KDE2

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``NetBSD Live!'' Boots Directly Into KDE2

Posted by timothy on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:38AM from the portable-demo dept.

jschauma writes: "A ``NetBSD Live!'' CD, which boots NetBSD/i386 1.5.2 directly from CDROM into KDE, including Koffice, has been made available. This exciting development may be the first step towards 'fancy' graphical installation CDs. Just grab one and carry it around with you, so you never have to boot any other OS! See the announcement on the NetBSD News page, more details are here."

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How or does it... by hackwrench · 2002-06-20 08:50 · Score: 1

handle virtual memory?
1. Re:How or does it... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-21 05:59 · Score: 0
  
  RAM disk that holds the swap partition?
  
  Yes I'm aware of the pointlessness of that....
  You'd be suprised how many times people ask about putting a swap file on a RAM disk to increase performance though.
2. Re:How or does it... by hubertf · 2002-06-21 13:28 · Score: 2
  
  VM is handled the usual way using MMU, pages etc.
  If it comes to swapping/paging, you can configure a local partition to do just that. If there's no backing store, the allocating process has a problem. :)
  
  - Hubert
3. Re:How or does it... by packeteer · 2002-06-22 15:07 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  actually i do just that and i DOES increase performance... my win2k box has this nasty habit of needlessly swapping out data for apps suych as premeire even though i have 512 mb of ram... it seems to always want to keep 100 megs free so i set 256 or my ram to be ram disk and i set my default swap to there... i also have another REAL swap just in case i actually DO run out of ram...
  
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Suse Live-Eval cd by ralian · 2002-06-20 08:51 · Score: 2

This reminds me of the Suse technique of not actually providing installation images but providing something they call the "Live-Evaluation" cd... What it does is run the OS, with a minimum of configuration, off the CD.. nice for testing an OS withour installing, but I have my reservations - for example, you can't use the CD drive, and the lack of installation images is a real pain for actually installing the distro. I must say, it's nice if NetBSD does this, but only if they also keep providing actual installation images.

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1. Re:Suse Live-Eval cd by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-20 09:02 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  1) On the CD are tools with which you can build
  such CDs. (
  Mailing list msg announcement)
  
  2) The (release) isos continue to be on the web
  
  3) The full source is out there
  
  4) NetBSD ain't Linux :)
2. Re:Suse Live-Eval cd by jschauma · 2002-06-20 09:03 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  NetBSD installation ISO images are available
  here.
  They just don't have the graphical KDE installer that many Linux users depend on.
  
  --
  
  -- "Tradition is the illusion of permanence."
3. Re:Suse Live-Eval cd by brsmith4 · 2002-06-20 09:34 · Score: 1
  
  I am a linux user and I happen to prefer BSD's installation to any linux distro (except maybe slack ;). They go overkill in terms of giving the user power over their system. More power to them.
4. Re:Suse Live-Eval cd by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-20 09:55 · Score: 0
  
  This is slightly offtopic, but if it doesn't have to be a BSD, Knoppix is a great Linux distribution on a live filesystem CD. It detects most hardware automatically during a very quick boot and gives you an unbelievable choice of ready-to-use software, all selectable from the KDE menu, including OpenOffice, Wine, KOffice, GIMP, XMMS, KDevelop ...
WTF????? by fm6 · 2002-06-20 08:59 · Score: 2

One of the ISO images is for Atari!
1. Re:WTF????? by ActiveSX · 2002-06-20 09:35 · Score: 1
  
  Atari released a little m68k machine called the ST. NetBSD runs on it, as you can tell.
2. Re:WTF????? by dolmant_php · 2002-06-20 18:04 · Score: 1
  
  "Of course it runs NetBSD..."
Not on the *ST* ! by wsapplegate · 2002-06-20 10:22 · Score: 3, Informative

I really doubt NetBSD runs on the Atari ST, since that Motorola 68000-based machine doesn't have an MMU (and thus, no memory protection). But it sure can run on the 68030-based Atari TT and the mighty Falcon. BTW, Linux runs on these, too! A special fork of CLinux (the Linux without MMU , aimed at embedded implementations) existed to allow it to run on the original ST line of machines, but has been discontinued. Too bad I'm far from being a kernel hacker :-(

Remember, people: Atari LIVES ! Now, if someone would just make a PowerPC extension for the Falcon, the life would finally have a meaning :-))

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1. Re:Not on the *ST* ! by Hadlock · 2002-06-20 13:26 · Score: 1
  
  actually there's a flavor of BSD that runs on 68020's (Mac LC II circa 1991), 30's and 40's, but requires a software emulaiton of a fpu, as only the 40 has an on-chip fpu. i almost loaded BSD on my LC II (My webserver), but lost interest in the project as i realized a)it's entirely text based and b) it already works great on a "security through obscurity" OS 7.5 or so and c) i found freeware web email telnet ssh2 and ftp software for it with GUI's.
  
  but i think you're right; i have yet to see BSD of any flavor run on my mac SE or old atari
  
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2. Re:Not on the *ST* ! by spunkykuma · 2002-06-21 03:34 · Score: 1
  
  NetBSD/atari
3. Re:Not on the *ST* ! by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-22 06:26 · Score: 0
  
  Yes it does run on the st as does 68k linux if you have a math copro.
  
  If you have a Falcon, Why dother, MiNT is still alive and it is a BSD based OS specially designed for the Atari line of computers. Even better, Mit, a gem image(or you can use the gem rom on the machine), the tcpip stack and Cab webbrowser will all fit on one 1.44 mb floppy with room to spare.
4. Re:Not on the *ST* ! by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-24 23:55 · Score: 0
  
  Actually, NetBSD runs even on 68010 machines. Of course, not without MMU: the machines in question are the sun2 architecture, where there is a custom MMU built by Sun. Also, 68020 machines should have no problem if they are accompanied by the 68851 MMU (I think NetBSD/amiga would run on Amigas with 68020 accelerator board that has the MMU).
  
  Also, '020 and '030 do not necessarily need FPU emulation, if 6888[12] FPU is present.
Re:Sad news: *BSD has passed away by xaccrocheur · 2002-06-20 12:27 · Score: 1

It want 96M to load in graph/KDE mode ! what's that for a boot-anywhere-on-anything CD ? You need a killer rig to run this thing.

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Image in German only? by Thing+1 · 2002-06-20 12:33 · Score: 2

I haven't downloaded the image, but from reading their release notes it appears that this is only in German:
Because of the lack of further space on the CDROM only German locales are installed.

Can anyone who has a faster pipe verify this?

The release notes appear to be hastily translated from German -- there are a couple "ist"s (where there should be "is"s).

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1. Re:Image in German only? by quantum+bit · 2002-06-20 15:06 · Score: 2
  
  Zep, I'm, running it now and not only are the instructions in German, but it think's that I am using a German kezboard, too!! Argh, z and y kezs are swapped! and all of the shiftßcharacters are changed around.
  
  I managed to get into kde, sort of. it onlz seems to work as root. There's a "user" account too, but kde won't start with it... i can't understand any of the configuration screens so I dont know if that's how it's supposed to work.
  
  Oh, btw, "kbd us" at the text console will change the kezboard map to a US english layout, but I don't remember how to change the keymap in X... oh well, time to reboot
2. Re:Image in German only? by jschauma · 2002-06-20 15:32 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Yes, it's only on German. That's why the README states:
  
  This NetBSD system uses German keyboard mapping for console and X. You can change this by typing wsconsctl -w encoding=<language>
  Also, the scripts to create the CD are included, so you can re-create it with whatever language settings you prefer.
  
  --
  
  -- "Tradition is the illusion of permanence."
Re:Sad news: *BSD has passed away by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-20 16:25 · Score: 0

New video cards on the market now have 128mb of ram. If you want to boot NetBSD LIVE! on your 386/16 with 4mb of ram and run KDE2.2 you are fucking insane.

Hope this helps.
Re:Sad news: *BSD has passed away by EchelonZero · 2002-06-20 20:04 · Score: 1

I wonder if the new Cray in Alaska can handle it? I hear they have 128 MB of RAM now...what will they think of next!
Why do people use the backtick as a quote char? by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-20 23:56 · Score: 0

Just wondering.
1. Re:Why do people use the backtick as a quote char? by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-24 02:09 · Score: 0
  
  TeX uses ` and ` for single and double opening and ' and '' for single and double closing quotes. (IIRC ` and ' are used as opening and closing quotes in m4, too).
Re:Sad news: *BSD has passed away by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-21 00:59 · Score: 0

96MB is a "killer rig"????

Geez... my Desktop machine at home has 224MB (PIII/550) - it must be a "really killer rig" then, huh? And my "BSD server" (PIII/350) has 192MB... another "killer rig".

Both of which, of course, are really outdone by my desktop machine at work, a PIII/933 w/ 256MB. Wow, absolutely "insane" huh?

I guess my old P166 that I used for a server (replaced by the 350) with 96MB is just "killer".

In this day and age, 128MB is pretty much "standard". Seeing as I just bought a 256MB DIMM for a Sun Blade100 system for like $120 (bringing it up to 384MB) I'm not so sure I would consider anything under 512MB as "killer"... to me I'd think at least a GB of ram before I'm impressed.
Re:Sad news: *BSD has passed away by spunkykuma · 2002-06-21 03:39 · Score: 1

Are you poor or something? RAM is cheap to get, most of us has well over 256MB in our systems these days. And don't forget this is KDE2...resource hungry, of course it wants adequet RAM to operate smoothly.
On another note, I already tried this ISO and it seems to freeze the system at a certain point (I'd have to look at the last line again) but it's right after "Plug'n'Play" section. I already run NetBSD on this system (it's a Duron 900, 256MB RAM), suppose the GENERIC kernel has too much enabled to cause this.
Am I Mising Something? by RAMMS+EIN · 2002-06-21 03:40 · Score: 1

``This exciting development may be the first step towards 'fancy' graphical installation CDs.''
I don't know what exactly what is meant by ``'fancy''', but I think Linux has had graphical installation for ages. Not to mention Windows or MacOS... Or are they talking about NetBSD only here? Just a little confused...

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1. Re:Am I Mising Something? by denisbergeron · 2002-06-21 05:57 · Score: 1
  
  Of courses he talk about BSD, you are in the BSD forum, and this is a news about BSD !!!! And the only bsd you have an graphical installation is Solaris !
  
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  Ceci n'est pas une Signature !
2. Re:Am I Mising Something? by cant_get_a_good_nick · 2002-06-21 10:46 · Score: 1
  
  only bsd you have an graphical installation is Solaris
  
  Solaris 2 (what folks generally call Solaris) is SVR4, not BSD. SunOS = 4.1.4 was BSD. SunOS 4 was retoractively called Solaris, in a marketing move.
IMPORTANT QUESTION ! by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-21 06:38 · Score: 0

Was this translated by an automatic translator ?
If this thing is on the net, post the URL !
The potential is huge.
What's the use? by evilviper · 2002-06-21 09:07 · Score: 2

Now, this would kick great deals of ass if it was:
A) On natively rewritable media &
B) On media better suited to random access than CD (Just try accessing large numbers of small files on different secontions of the CD... Your CD will be about as fast as a floppy.

As I've been saying religiously for some time now, if all new system were sold with PCMCIA front-mounted slots, we'd finally have a format that could completely replace floppies, put CDs back in their place, and make it super easy to add any hardware you might want in your system.

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Re:Sad news: *BSD has passed away by Arandir · 2002-06-21 12:17 · Score: 2

Remember, this is a CDROM. It's read only. That's mean you won't have a swap partition. Think about it.

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Hard Times for *BSD by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-22 02:53 · Score: 0, Troll

Sure, we all know that *BSD is a failure, but why? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all knw *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting glom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
1. Re:Hard Times for *BSD by posix4 · 2002-06-25 07:06 · Score: 1
  
  losing market share take a look at osx buddy
Re:Sad news: *BSD has passed away by Luke-Jr · 2002-06-25 07:51 · Score: 0

erm... Nowadays I consider 256 MB RAM to be barely acceptable...

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Warning! Dangerous worm attacking *BSD systems! by Anonymous Coward · 2002-06-29 06:21 · Score: 0

Warning! Dangerous worm attacking FreeBSD systems! BSD sytems threatened
The worm is thought to be capable of spreading only to Web servers running the FreeBSD operating system, an open-source variant of Unix, that haven't had a patch applied for the recent flaw. Although few home users have reported the worm, it is thought to be infecting vulnerable Web servers worldwide.
This worm is only a threat to *BSD systems. *sigh*
Re:*BSD is dying by Zero+Sum · 2002-06-30 01:43 · Score: 2

I like your jive joke, but seriously, there is one thing you are forgetting.
FreeBSD has good Linux emulation. It runs all software that runs on the Linux kernel. As long as just that is maintained, BSD can survive.
Yes, in smaller numbers, but smaller numbers are a smaller target and, well, more geekish...
When Windows dies, how you Tuxers going to handle being the boreing mainstream?

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