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Field Day 2002

suwain_2 writes "This weekend, amateur (ham) radio operators across the country will be setting up to practice emergency communications. Particularly after the tragic events of September 11th, I thought the general public, particularly Slashdot readers, might be interested in seeing what we do. This year bonus points are awarded to stations who have a "Get On the Air" station, to give non-hams a closer look (and even a chance to operator) at exactly what goes on. Unfortunately, the ARRL, who sponsors Field Day, has very little information on their site for non-hams, but what information they do have exists here. Check out the local newspaper to see if it's mentioned, and, if it is, stop by this weekend and take a look!"

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  1. country ? by berta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Strange that it is organised by country, given the international context of radio.

    Isn't this weekend supposed to be worldwide field day for satellite contacts ?

    73!

    1. Re:country ? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given that you used 73 to say Goodbye, I'm guessing you're a ham.

      Radio is both international and local. There are international contests, but there's nothing stopping people from operating locally.

      Due to the emergency communications focus of Field Day and the fact that 99.999% of all emergencies are relatively local (In fact, a nationwide catastrophe has yet to happen...), it makes sense that it's just the USA. Other countries might also hold similar contests during the year, too.

      N2YPH

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      retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
    2. Re:country ? by tiberius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      actually, this year, for the first time ever, field day is extending beyond the us. now, every country in north and south america is able to participate (iaru region 2).

      73,
      n8yo

    3. Re:country ? by AnonymousCowhand · · Score: 2, Informative

      from the ARRL site:

      The traditional expression "73" goes right back to the beginning of the landline telegraph days. It is found in some of the earliest editions of the numerical codes , each with a different definition, but each with the same idea in mind--it indicated that the end, or signature, was coining up. But there are no data to prove that any of these were used.

      The first authentic use of 73 is in the publication The National Telegraph Review and Operators' Guide, first published in April 1857. At that time, 73 meant "My love to you!" Succeeding issues of this publication continued to use this definition of the term. Curiously enough, some of the other numerals then used have the same definition now that they had then, but within a short time, the use of 73 began to change.

      In the National Telegraph Convention, the numeral was changed from the Valentine-type sentiment to a vague sign of fraternalism. Here, 73 was a greeting, a friendly "word" between operators and it was so used on all wires.

      In 1859, the Western Union Company set up the standard "92 Code". A list of numerals from one to 92 was compiled to indicate a series of prepared phrases for use by the operators on the wires. Here, in the 92 Code, 73 changes from a fraternal sign to a very flowery "accept my compliments," which was in keeping with the florid language of that era.

      Over the years from 1859 to 1900, the many manuals of telegraphy show variations of this meaning. Dodge's The Telegraph Instructor shows it merely as "compliments." The Twentieth Century Manual of Railway and Commercial Telegraphy defines it two ways, one listing as "my compliments to you;" but in the glossary of abbreviations it is merely "compliments." Theodore A. Edison's Telegraphy Self-Taught shows a return to "accept my compliments." By 1908, however, a later edition of the Dodge Manual gives us today's definition of "best regards" with a backward look at the older meaning in another part of the work where it also lists it as "compliments."

      "Best regards" has remained ever since as the "put-it-down-in-black-and-white" meaning of 73 but it has acquired overtones of much warmer meaning. Today, amateurs use it more in the manner that James Reid had intended that it be used --a "friendly word between operators."

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      --- Ask me about my Sig -- it's a 9mm.
    4. Re:country ? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2

      actually I read that south america, canada and mexico are going to be involved with this field day.

  2. One Days Notice? by The+Turd+Report · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You all might want to let us in a bit earlier on this next year. I am interested, but I have already made plans.

    Why are event announced on Slashdot the day before (or even the day of) the event?

    1. Re:One Days Notice? by pyser · · Score: 2, Informative

      Put a memo in your pda for next year then -- it's always the 4th weekend in June. Next year, June 28 and 29.

    2. Re:One Days Notice? by i0lanthe · · Score: 2

      You all might want to let us in a bit earlier on this next year. I am interested, but I have already made plans.

      Field Day is always the fourth weekend in June. All you have to do is to mark your calendar for next year now.

      (If you have a PalmOS handheld, put in "Field Day" as an appointment for tomorrow, hit Details, Repeat, Month, change "every 1 month(s)" to "every 12 month(s)", and change "Repeat by (Day)(Date)" to "Repeat by Day". This should result in an event that happens on the 4th Saturday Of Every June.)

      There.. now you've all got a year's notice. See you on the air in '03. ;-)

      --
      "The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life"
  3. Albemarle County, VA FD2002 (WA4TFZ) by ALecs · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Albemarle Amateur Radio Club (WA4TFZ) will be holding it's FD2002 (warning: PDF) at the Earlysville Firehouse. Come check it out if you're near Central VA. Should be starting around 10AM on Sat. morning.

  4. Improving the Girl:Guy ratio by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2

    I'm going to try to bring my girlfriend to this year's Field Day in Tallahassee... Let's hope she doesn't flee in terror when she notices the ratio is out of whack. :^)

    1. Re:Improving the Girl:Guy ratio by MaggieL · · Score: 2

      Well, I'm doing my part.

      The Phil-Mont Mobile Radio Club will be operating in Ft. Washington State Park, in the northern Philadelphia suburbs.

      73 de Maggie K3XS

      --
      -=Maggie Leber=-
  5. Re:What does HAM stand for? by P!Alexander · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the National Association for Amateur Radio:

    Why Ham?

    "Ham: a poor operator. A 'plug.'"

    That's the definition of the word given in G. M. Dodge's The Telegraph Instructor even before radio. The definition has never changed in wire telegraphy. The first wireless operators were landline telegraphers who left their offices to go to sea or to man the coastal stations. They brought with them their language and much of the tradition of their older profession.

    In those early days, spark was king and every station occupied the same wavelength--or, more accurately perhaps, every station occupied the whole spectrum with its broad spark signal. Government stations, ships, coastal stations and the increasingly numerous amateur operators all competed for time and signal supremacy in each other's receivers. Many of the amateur stations were very powerful. Two amateurs, working across town, could effectively jam all the other operators in the area. When this happened, frustrated commercial operators would call the ship whose weaker signals had been blotted out by the amateurs and say "SRI OM THOSE #&$!@ HAMS ARE JAMMING YOU."

    Amateurs, possibly unfamiliar with the real meaning of the term, picked it up and applied it to themselves in true "Yankee Doodle" fashion and wore it with pride. As the years advanced, the original meaning has completely disappeared.

  6. For those of you in Boston.ma.us... by Your_Mom · · Score: 3, Informative

    Come see the Boston Amateur Radio Club operate at:

    Larz Andersen Park
    Brookline, MA
    Behind Museum of Transportation
    15 Newton St
    Brookline, MA 02445-7406

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    Objects in the blog are closer then they ap
  7. Slightly OT: A quick & dirty transmitter... by robslimo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just setup a quick and dirty AM broadcast band radio transmitter yesterday... cheap and easy to do, if you've already got a fairly fancy function generator on-hand.

    Equip:
    1 BK Precision 4040A Function Generator
    2 line, or higher, level audio source.

    a Connect audio source to the VGC/Mod input
    b Set Int/Ext modulation selector to Ext (external)
    c Set AM/FM modulation selector to AM
    d Adjust the output frequency (the 'carrier') to something in the AM broadcast band (about 540 to 1150 KHz)
    e Attach a length of wire to the center lead of the Output BNC connector and crank the 'Output Level' adjustment to max.
    f Tune in on an AM reciever (you've got one of those, right?)
    g Jam on!

    Actually, you could also do FM, but my FG (the 4040A) only goes to 20 MHz, way below the FM broadcast band of 88 to 108 MHz. Also, this isn't exactly a jammin' pirate station; let's just say I could pick it up from across the room.

  8. Re:Emergency broadcast??? by jasonkohles · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually Ham Radio played a vital part in the aftermath of 9/11, here in Loudoun county (Northern Virginia), the local amateur radio operators came out in force, primarily providing emergency communications support for the area around the pentagon, helping to coordinate the arrivals of huge numbers of rescue workers and vehicles, and providing communications between the local Red Cross chapter and the hotel where everyone evacuated from Dulles airport was taken. I met many of these guys at the local Red Cross office, and watched as they built a communications network to support an area where every phone line and every cell tower was completely overloaded. At the time I couldn't even imagine the effort that probably went into building a net in New York.

    Loudoun Amateur Radio Group Field Day Page

    -- Jason Kohles KG4PPU

  9. Raynet - UK Radio Amateurs� Emergency Network by ezs · · Score: 3, Informative
    There is a similar type of thing in the UK - Raynet

    Raynet were to be the backbone of radio communications during the Cold War in the event of a nuclear strike on the UK - for details.

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    Evil ZEN Scientist
  10. network of radios, sounds like a ... by colmore · · Score: 4, Funny

    so we have all these small, relatively cheap, devices operating together to provide a greater service.

    it almost reminds one of some sort of cluster...

    --
    In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
    1. Re:network of radios, sounds like a ... by nlh · · Score: 2

      Here here. Ugh...the bottomless pool of dollars that I spent as a 12-year-old ham. First was the HF radio ($1000), then the handheld ($500), then as I got more experienced the friggin' antenna I forced my parents to endure on the roof ($2000 including a cherrypicker for a day to install).

      I suppose, in the grand scheme of things, this was not too much money, but for a 12-year-old, that was a lot of allowances and computer tutoring.

      --noah

  11. A plug for Ham Radio Contesting by rnd() · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Field Day comes in many flavors, depending on the ham radio club that you encounter. I've been a ham since age 12, and the best thing about Ham Radio to me is contesting.

    What is a contest?

    Contests are competetive events designed to simulate the kind of rapid flow of information that would need to occur in the event that radio amateurs were relied upon to handle disaster communications on a large scale.

    Field Day, while lots of fun, serves the purpose of getting new people involved with Amateur Radio, and so it is generally a lot less competetive than what you'd find at the typical contest-station during a contest weekend.

    In a contest, you try to contact as many other hams as possible, and you get points (multipliers to your score) for every distinct geographical region you contact. Some contests are US only, and many are worldwide. Some are focused on a particular frequency band, and some cover all HF bands.

    There is nothing quite like the adrenaline that comes from making serious rate (300+ contacts per hour) for a few hours in a row. Aside from that, there is typically a great deal of team-spirit and good-natured rivalry among contesters, particularly those who are in the same state or county.

    If you've always had an interest in ham radio but feared that it didn't have high enough octane to suit your temperment, look no further.

    I'll post some web references below this comment soon...

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    Amazing magic tricks

    1. Re:A plug for Ham Radio Contesting by rnd() · · Score: 2
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      Amazing magic tricks

    2. Re:A plug for Ham Radio Contesting by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 2
      In a contest, you try to contact as many other hams as possible, and you get points (multipliers to your score) for every distinct geographical region you contact.

      One thing that you forgot to mention, was that Field Day is supposed to help prepare for emergency communications.

      So ... while the point system is still used, you don't get extra points for the regions you contact, you get extra points for running on batteries, low wattage, and because this also helps with the image of amateur radio, extra points are awarded if you get press coverage.

      --
      Karma? Karma? I don't need no stinkin' karma.
    3. Re:A plug for Ham Radio Contesting by rnd() · · Score: 2
      There are definitely some rude contesters, as well as some rude "rag chewers", etc. I would never have gotten into contesting if I'd let the first couple of rude exchanges bother me.

      What intrigued me about contesting was that contests gave me the ability to talk to hams in other countries who I probably wouldn't have been able to contact as easily otherwise -- contesters tend to have top end gear and high performance antennas.

      Anyway, give it a try during november sweepstakes or one of the others. It can actually be quite fun. Besides, any smart contester will know that if he/she's rude then DXers won't put his/her call in packet spots.

      --

      Amazing magic tricks

  12. A little bit more... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is probably in the ARRL link.

    Field Day is themed about emergency communications, although it couldn't be considered "practice" for emergencies. (Running/participating in emergency nets, etc.) - That's what ARES/RACES drills are for.

    Field Day is purely a contest - BUT it is a contest that was designed with emergencies in mind. Most ARRL (and international) contests have various operator classes - In the case of Field Day, operator classes are based on how your station is powered. I think there's also a rule stating that you can't operate from your own station.

    So basically, all Field Day entrants MUST be using equipment brought to the operating position for the event, not stuff that is there at all times. (I think people HAVE operated in tents from backyards, but people prefer to go hardcore and do some mountaintopping, or go to a firehouse, etc. where they can set up with their club. Club operations from community firehouses, etc. seem to be the most common Field Day arrangements.)

    As a result, Field Day makes sure there are plenty of operators in this country with portable (or semi-portable at least) equipment that can be set up in a matter of hours. Bonus points to those who can operate for a weekend without a single bit of help from AC mains.

    I was thinking of making the trek back up to school for Field Day, but I need to do some car shopping instead. I wish it were a few weeks later. :)

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
    1. Re:A little bit more... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2

      I don't think its really a contest, while points are collected - and extra points are given for non petrol based power, cw and satellite contacts - there are no paper awards to be handed out.

      You even have to buy your own t-shirt.

      Field day is an important day because for one thing its a 69 year old tradition now, and it gives clubs and groups the excuse to get out, go camping, eat good food (hopefully) and practice operating on emergency power - which is really what emergency communications is all about. If you can't power your radio - you can't communicate.

      Also just for your info - there are different classes of field day stations - including base stations run off of AC Main Supply - but you get a whole lot more points if your station is operated off alternative energy - like solar, wind, or hydro.

      That said - hope to catch you guys on uo-14, ao-27, so-41, and maybe ISS :).

  13. Radio Interference anyone? by TwoEdge77 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone noticed a rise in radio interference from HAM and CB operations, not because of illegal wattage, but more so because of the lack of adequate radio inteference shielding in the current electronic devices? Seems people have forgotten about HAMs and SSW/CB bands in this Internet and "High Tech" age.

    1. Re:Radio Interference anyone? by artsygeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, It doesn't have to do with ham equipment inasmuch as it has to do with CB. Equating the two is a MAJOR fallacy. A lotta folks with CBs will modify them to drive an extra watt or two out of them, and will make the things splatter RF all over the place, throwing interference at just about anything electronic. And "SSB/CW" goes all the way from the HF band into the Microwave band.

      SSB means single side band, which is a form of modulation. CW means Morse Code, which is, well, the code. Both get lots of distance, but CW mainly because of the quality of the information. To understand a CW message, all you need is to discern timing of two pulses of different length intervals. To understand voice (AKA Phone) or packet, there's more "information" being shoved into the bandwidth, thereby making it harder to understand as the quality of the signal decreases.

      So, blaming it on SSB/CW even is a fallacy, because people can, with poorly designed equipment cause problems in FM-modulated signals.

      Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

    2. Re:Radio Interference anyone? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      Heck, I would say that FM is more of a danger than SSB/CW - Why?

      Inherently, most amplifiers designed for FM use are nonlinear. Which means lots of harmonics.

      In a well-designed amp this is irrelevant, since filtering kills the harmonics. But such an amp inherently requires more filtering than a linear one used for SSB. (CW can also be sent through a nonlinear amp.)

      Why use nonlinear amps? They're far more efficient.

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    3. Re:Radio Interference anyone? by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 2
      lack of adequate radio inteference shielding in the current electronic devices

      This is a major 'public-relations' problem that most Hams have ... primarily front-end overload interference on TVs. What front-end overload is, is too much RF being pulled in from a transmission source. The result is interference of all channels on a TV.

      The reason that this is a PR problem, is that according to FCC rules and laws, its the owner of the TVs problem to fix, not the Hams' problem ... and this leads to ill-will between the general public and Hams.

      This gets back to the posters point ... inadequate RF shielding. BTW, plastic computer cases are a "Bad Thing" if they don't have any metal shielding plates ...

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      Karma? Karma? I don't need no stinkin' karma.
  14. Further OT: A quicker & dirtier transmitter... by dpbsmith · · Score: 2

    In the late fifties, I had about 100 feet of wire strung out my window over a tree, for listening to shortwave on the regenerative receiver I'd built with a kit from Allied radio.

    I also had a Ford spark coil... the kind with a vibrator (don't snicker) which generates a continuous voltage--I don't know how high, but capable of producing at least a 1 cm. spark.

    One day, I clipped the Ford coil to the antenna, and called a friend of mine who lived about half a mile a way, and asked him to turn on his shortwave receiver. I keyed in "DE WQRM". He reported receiving it 5x5 on his shortwave radio--and also, subsequent short tests showed, AM, FM, and television.

    I wisely decided to discontinue the experiment after a grand total of about thirty seconds on the air.

    We don't need no steenkin' function generators!

    Hey, come to think of it, what's so off-topic? It _was_ amateur and it _was_ radio, right?

  15. Team spirit by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the most popular uses of packet radio seems to be accessing the local "DX Cluster"

    It's basically a system that allows people to report stations they hear, allowing someone looking for their final multipliers in a contest to know where to look for a station.

    The interesting thing about this is that you're not allowed to advertise yourself on the clusters. As a result, if you appear, it's because someone else put you there. You'd think that the DX clusters would die as everyone would keep their "rare finds" secret so as to keep ahead, but instead, the DX clusters are INSANELY active during contests, which says a lot of good things about the ham radio community in general.

    DX spots are wonderful when your club is hunting down their last multiplier (Santa Barbara) in the final hours of the ARRL SSB Sweepstakes.

    N2YPH

    And keeping your Collins 30S-1 happy for nearly 48 hours of continuous operation is no simple trick. :) I'd say the hardest part of the contest was maintaining power levels. Also, our rotor was broken so we had to send guys up onto the tower to rotate our Force12 while we hit the brake release on the rotor.

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    1. Re:Team spirit by rnd() · · Score: 2
      Agreed. The packet cluster is a great addition to the contester's bag of tricks.

      de KF8QE

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      Amazing magic tricks

  16. Tompkins County Amateur Radio Club by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    The TCARC (Tompkins County, NY - It's upstate in the Finger Lakes region. Think Ithaca) will be setting up at the fire station in Etna, NY this weekend.

    Hams looking for the place, try the TCARC repeater on 146.97- once you get into the area if you have trouble finding the location. The other major repeater is W2CXM (Cornell ARC) on 146.61- - But it's usually pretty quiet.

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  17. Re:What does HAM stand for? by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2

    n 1: thigh of a hog (usually smoked) [syn: jambon, gammon]

    2: an unskilled actor who overacts [syn: ham actor]

    v : exaggerate one's acting [syn: overact, overplay] [ant: underact]

  18. Re:Emergency broadcast??? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't have any personal experience with the NYC 'net, but I do know that the various amateur emergency organizations were mobilized for well over six weeks.

    It's not always the phone/cell systems that ham radio is designed to replace - Hams are also used to augment already allocated emergency frequencies. (Police, fire). I believe the Red Cross made VERY heavy use of hams for their communications. Simply put, they needed a dispatch-style system that landlines/cells weren't suited to.

    In addition, a few years back there was a NASTY ice storm in upstate NY - Many cell tower antennas iced up and ceased operation, and hams came into play then too.

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  19. Distance without relays by Animats · · Score: 2
    Hams have one of the few means of communication that will work across long distances with no intervening infrastructure. The data rates are lousy, propagation problems are a headache, and interference is a big problem, but you can get to almost anywhere on HF. The military has some portable HF gear, but almost nobody else bothers any more.

    Still, the American Radio Relay League seems so dated. W1AW still broadcasts Morse code practice (!) most of the day.

    1. Re:Distance without relays by i0lanthe · · Score: 2

      Still, the American Radio Relay League seems so dated. W1AW still broadcasts Morse code practice (!) most of the day.


      Well, being able to understand code at 5 words per minute (at least enough to pass a multiple-choice exam, no penalty for guessing IIRC) is still a requirement for the higher levels of ham license in the US. And if civilization collapsed or summer-movie aliens invaded in a big way, Morse code would probably be pretty useful (needs less bandwidth than speech and/or easier to build a transmitter).

      I'm not sure how many folks actually use the code after passing exams though..

      Bridget - or "88 de N3XDS", heh.

      --
      "The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life"
  20. Re:Hams are changing America, and the world! by pa-guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a little more to it than that. check out AMSAT for some info on one other aspect of the hobby.

    '73 de
    VE6LSH

  21. Not the point. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hams aren't used for emergency notification of the public. Hams primarily provide communications infrastructure to those who REALLY need it in an emergency situation.

    For example, hams will often assist police/fire departments. In NYC post 9/11, the Red Cross made heavy use of hams to maintain communications between all of their mobile units and their command post.

    Another emergency organization in addition to ARES and RACES is SKYWARN - In this case, hams provide the "eyes and ears" on the ground to the NOAA. Not too heavily used/needed in the Northeast, but in places like Tornado Alley it's a different story.

    In fact, broadcasting is verboten on the amateur bands - So theoretically emergency notification is against FCC rules. (Not like the FCC would care in such a situation. In fact, I believe there are clauses in FCC rules saying that the rules don't apply for emergencies.) Nonetheless, I agree that amateur radio is not the proper medium for emergency notification, but that is not the goal of the amateur emergency organizations.

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  22. Re:Further OT: A quicker & dirtier transmitter by EvanED · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And it's also what Nikola Tesla did before Marcoli.

    The USPTO initially held the position that Marconi's device used Tesla's patents ("Many of the claims are not patentable over Tesla patent numbers 645,576 and 649,621"). In 1904, the USPTO reversed itself, probably due to financial backing from JP Morgan, et. al. Tesla was broke and tried to sue in 1915 (Marconi won the Nobel Prize in 1911 for the radio), but couldn't push it. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed the USPTO's decision, giving prescedence to the Tesla patents, probably largely because Marconi was suing the government for using radio without licensing it.

    Some of many sources:
    http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_whoradio. html
    http://www.mecfilms.com/dna/indev/patent2.ht m
    http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl rad io.htm (less detailed an account)

  23. Finding a local field day by RocketScientist · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're already a ham, just ask on the local repeaters, or get in touch with someone on 146.52.

    If you're not a ham, check your local newspapers, or just go to google, look for an amateur radio club in a geographic area near you. For example, I live in Clay County, so search for Clay County Amateur Radio and you'll eventually find our web site.

    We have a blast over field day. Typically, operations are done using emergency power. My club has a generator on a trailer, for field day as well as for emergencies.

    The other cool thing about field day is that all you tecnician licenses (who can't normally transmit below 30 Mhz) can because clubs will have General and Extra class control operators around. So you get to play on HF and get a little incentive to upgrade your license.

    So, anyone's who's got a few hours over the weekend, we start at 1800 UTC (13:00 CDT) on Saturday, and go for 24 hours. Show up, ask questions, and learn stuff.

  24. Princeton, NJ - David Sarnoff Radio Club by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

    The DSRC will be hosting their annual Field Day outing on the grounds of the Sarnoff Corporation in Princeton, NJ on Route 1 at Washington Road. Visit http://www.nerc.com/~jdegood/dsrc/ for more details.

    If you're going to do Field Day, do it in Princeton, home of Albert Einstein and color television. Not to mention the first place on land to hear the Titanic's distress calls!! :)

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    Intelligent Life on Earth
  25. New York by CharlieG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was NOT a ham at the time, but the NY effort was huge. It was what I needed to get off my butt an get my license

    Since that time I've gotten involved in NYC ARES. In fact, I've become the Queens County Assistant Emergency Coordinator

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    -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
  26. Re:Ham Radio Dead? by CharlieG · · Score: 2

    Actually The Red Cross of NYC had to rely on Hams during 9/11 because the phones were really messed up, and they figured they would use their "Nextels" - guess what? They didn't work - since that time, a bunch of the agencies here in NYC have taken on a new respect for what the HAMS here in NY - we get invited out a lot more

    73
    KC2IXE

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    -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
  27. Control operator rules rock. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    I've always been too lazy to get my code license. (Partly a chicken and egg issue - HF equipment costs $$$, which I'm reticent to spend w/o a code license. Don't wanna bother with code if I don't have the equipment.)

    As a result, my first HF experience was operating as W2CXM my senior year in college. Contesting is FUN.

    N2YPH

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  28. Old packet gear? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    Try APRS... A lot of the old TNCs are firmware-upgradable to include built-in APRS.

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  29. Two more Northern Virginia Field Day sites by brassrat77 · · Score: 2

    NOVA QRP Club (http://www.novaqrp.org) will be at Lake Fairfax Park in Reston, VA.

    Sterling Park Amatuer Radio Club (SPARC) at one of the middle/high schools in Sterling, VA.

    73
    KS1G

  30. Re:Ham Radio Dead? by nlh · · Score: 2

    Mod parent up...I think this is an interesting topic to discuss.

    I've been thinking along the same lines for a while....I got my ham license back when I was 12 years old ('91) and the Internet/Web, though well on their way, were not a thing of public knowledge (weird to think about that, eh?). Likewise, cell phones were still in the "ultra luxury" class and were not things that everyday people had.

    Ham Radio changed my perspective on a lot of things, and that time it was insanely cool -- I could fire up my HF radio, aim the yagi, and have a conversation with someone in Australia from my bedroom in NYC. Amazing. Even better, I could talk to people in exotic countries in Africa (Mali is one I remember nailing and being very excited about), the Middle East (I spoke with hams in Kuwait, Jordan, and Israel regularly), the Baltic States (Yugoslavia, etc.), and even tropical pacific islands -- very cool stuff for a 12-year-old.

    With my handheld 2-meter radio, there was this mysteriously cool things called "Autopatch", where I could use the local repeater to....make phone calls! (that everyone with a scanner could and would easily listen to) Wow...now I had a cell-phone-like thing years before I or my friends would actually use cellphones, and that too was awesome.

    Even with my computer, I could plug it in and use RTTY or CW to ... digitally communicate with others around the world and send....email! I could even download weather fax imagines from sattelites and see the radar before the local newscasters could. Amazing.

    The Internet changed a lot of that, and very seriously. Now, talking with someone in Australia isn't so exciting when I can log onto IRC and see thousands of Aussies in their own chat rooms (heck I can log onto an Australian porn site and "talk live with buxom babes waiting for me").

    Exotic countries in Africa now bring to mind open relays, spam, and scams more than they bring excitement, and tropical islands are money-making opportunities for .TV domain names more than anything.

    And digital weather maps? Woop-de-doo....weather.com and weatherunderground.com have those pretty much taken care of.

    So I'm going to agree -- the allure that ham radio once had for me is gone ... yes, morse code is cool, and yes, some of the digital modes are still cool, but it's nothing like what it used to be, and sadly, probably won't ever be.

    --noah

  31. Re:Ham Radio Dead? by Chuck+Milam · · Score: 2

    I mean its not a bad thing, it keeps the geezers off the road for a while...

    Are you sure about that? I'm thinking they're more on the road than ever.

    de KF9FR

  32. Re:You don't even need to learn morse code ! by i0lanthe · · Score: 2

    You can do some plenty fun things with a Tech license; for local communications (which can include things like helping with communication around a marathon course, if you are a "people person"; or experimentation, at high enough frequencies to get enough bandwidth to be interesting for computer networking, if you are a gear-hacking type of person) it's all you need. I know a reasonable number of people who really don't see any reason to bother "upgrading" to a license with more "privileges", even after the recent license restructuring.

    But, if you do want to get into long-distance communication (or if you just want a higher license for purposes of willy-waving, which was my primary motivation because honestly Tech covered everything I really wanted to do), my experience was that passing the 5 WPM test was much easier than I expected. (I guess this is not surprising or a sign of extraordinary brilliance on my part, since, I'm told, small children also pass it without difficulty.)

    --
    "The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life"
  33. Re:Ham Radio Dead? by Wansu · · Score: 2

    I got into it because I once had an hour commute and wanted a hobby I could do on the road. Talking on 2m repeaters initially seemed like alot of fun. Now, I too am an "idle key". I discovered that unless I took myself and the ham radio hobby as seriously as the members of the clubs, I was less than welcome. They really don't cotton to dabblers and that best described my interest. The fancied themselves as emergency officials of some sort or uber engineers. If you weren't inclined to get involved with this, you sorta become a persona non grata amoung the hams. Many were given to power driven arguments about esoteric technical stuff. One of these hobbyists baited me into an argument about certain aspects of power supply design. I've no doubt he was smart enough to build one that would work but that doesn't equate to designing them for a living for 15 years. That's just one example. I listened while a friend of mine's transmission on a local repeater was jammed by a member of the radio club who helped maintain the repeater because he was about to give out the control codes for the talking S meter, horror of horrors. In time, I felt less welcome on these repeaters because my participation was purposely limited and lost interest.

    --
    Wansu, th' chinese sailor
  34. Thanks for caring by i0lanthe · · Score: 2

    RTFARRLP -- fourth FULL weekend.

    Um, yes, I know. Fourth FULL weekend is the same as "fourth Saturday [plus the following Sunday if you have an unusually energetic club]". Thus, if you would give the matter 30 seconds' worth of thought, perhaps you would realize that that's exactly why I mentioned setting an appointment for the "4th Saturday".

    But I do appreciate your desire to be helpful. :)

    --
    "The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life"
  35. Re:Ham Radio Dead? by AlphaOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think you missed the point... perhaps that's why you don't operate anymore.

    I mean sure, if you just want to talk to other people there are easier (and better) ways to do so. We lost a lot of folks to the Internet revolution because they simply liked to chat with people. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm an Internet junkie myself.

    There's more to it than that, though. For one, it's a challenge. If you like challenges, it's a great hobby. Trying to talk to someone in France while both of you are coping with an unusual accent and bouncing a weak signal off of the atmosphere is very challenging (and VERY exciting). If that doesn't satisfy your desire to be challenged, try to do morse code by bouncing a signal OFF THE MOON.

    Or maybe you'd prefer to talk via satellite. There are dozens of amateur radio satellites in orbit right now and YOU CAN USE THEM TOO.

    To truly understand how radio waves bounce around is also very difficult (indeed, impossible in some respects... it's very voodoo). Once you sort of get it straight in your head, it's exciting when you're right. Especially if you're trying a little experiment to see if it helps matters.

    Most people take cell phones, radio stations, satellite TV, walkie talkies, and other wireless items forgranted. Learning what makes all that work is VERY exciting (to a geek, anyway).

    Even better than learning, though... YOU CAN DO IT TOO. Ever wondered how television transmitters get a signal from a camera onto your TV? Or, better yet, have you ever researched the subject and wished you could experiment with it? YOU CAN.

    That's just scratching the surface, too. It's a big onion and the more you peel away the more there is.

    Sure, there are some "old farts" out there... but those are the nicest and most helpful people you will ever meet.

    As for 9/11, yes Amateur Ops were in huge demand. I'm not sure if you noticed, but there was a large antenna on the top of one of the WTC towers... almost all of lower Manhattan's public safety stuff was on that tower. Not to mention television transmitters, radio transmitters, and so on. It was not only a loss of public safety communications but general public communications as well.

    --
    All opinions presented here aren't mine.
  36. Ham radio is more than just "talking" by John+Miles · · Score: 2

    ... or at least, it was supposed to be.

    Take a look at eBay's components and test equipment sections sometime. For the price of a decent HF station, you can outfit your shack with better equipment than NASA had when it launched the Voyager probes. If you can't think of something interesting to do with all that stuff, it's time to turn in your license and take up birdwatching. :)

    The Amateur Radio Service's underlying charter emphasizes the advancement of the radio arts and sciences, and for a long time, that was what hams did. Things slowed down for awhile when Heathkit went away and the Japanese started commoditizing the radio business, but those things happened a long time ago. The truth is, you can do more fun stuff with ham radio now than at any time in the past.

    --
    Dahlmann tightly grips the knife, which he may have no idea how to use, and steps out into the plain.
  37. Honestly.... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 3
    Hams make me nervous.

    They are the only guys that are usually bigger nerds than I am.

    Their endless facination with acronyms and decimal points reminds me of...er...
    ...crap...programmers like me.

    Nevermind.

    --
    "A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
    GeneralEmergency
  38. Re:whats wrong with morse code? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2

    I probably should I have one of the few digital languages a person could understand :(. Oh well :).

    A while back we sent up an amateur radio balloon that reported altitude, temperature - and a few other things via cw - oh yeah and its callsign.

  39. Re:Ham Radio Dead? by plcurechax · · Score: 2
    So I'm going to agree -- the allure that ham radio once had for me is gone ... yes, morse code is cool, and yes, some of the digital modes are still cool, but it's nothing like what it used to be, and sadly, probably won't ever be.

    If you were only interested in using ham radio as a means of communications, I can understand why you might be tired or bored with it.


    What motivates and interests me is actually building things, networks, infrastructure, transmitters, receivers, learning about a new or at least new to me, modes (e.g. QMSK). In fact I spend a very small amount of time "on the air" with most of the interesting bits happening on the bench.

  40. Re:Ham Radio Dead? by nlh · · Score: 2
    What motivates and interests me is actually building things, networks, infrastructure, transmitters, receivers, learning about a new or at least new to me, modes (e.g. QMSK). In fact I spend a very small amount of time "on the air" with most of the interesting bits happening on the bench.


    I agree with your point. This is certainly one of the better parts of the hobby -- the study and and practice of radio itself and indeed, the appeal of this won't go away.

    I guess for me it was mostly about the communication (though that's pretty silly, since most of the contacts I had were rarely more than "hi this is what i'm using what's the weather like where you are?"). But I suppose the means (i.e. building and tinkering), though they were fun, were still a means to an end. And when that end got less exciting, the means got less exciting. To each his own, though, and I hope you continue to enjoy things!

    That being said, I still think there are novel communication-related things going on in the hobby -- the AMSAT stuff is still amazingly cool (how many "regular" people do military-style sattelite tracking on their home PCs and then use a dedicated sattelite communications channel?). Also, EME stuff is outta-this-world (ha ha ha), and contesting is still a thrill that can't really be matched elsewhere.

    --noah
  41. Re:You don't even need to learn morse code ! by bovinewasteproduct · · Score: 2

    But, if you do want to get into long-distance communication...

    I did some long-distance work via satallite when I was still a no-code tech (I'm an Extra now). It was one of the main reasons why I got my ticket.

    As a matter of fact, tommorow will be 11 years since I passed the test (At a field day no less!)

    BWP
    AKA N5VMF

  42. Re:whats wrong with morse code? by Animats · · Score: 2

    If you've got a processor in there, you can probably synthesize voice. Even the little $1 Atmel parts have more than enough power to do the job.