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CD Copying Kiosks Endorsed in Australia
Iron Sun writes: "While the story is somewhat misleading in stating that the plan legalises piracy, CD copying kiosks have been given the go ahead here in Australia. It will be interesting to see what the Australian Recording Industry Association says about this. Supposedly the plan involves royalty payments to ARIA, but where artists stand is not discussed."
As if I needed more people ripping off my OpenBSD ISO images and giving them to their friends.
--
Theo DeRaadt
Founder, OpenBSD project.
with superior sound quality to home burners and able to outwit anti-copying devices
OK, Apart from $5/burn (or a whole 30CDs before you've paid for that burner), HTF am I going to get better than 44KHz out of a CD? The only interesting thing is that someone decided the copiers weren't illegal in and of themselves.
...the industry has been cornered into a compromise with the unstoppable pirating of music
When will this industry wake up and realize you're not being cornered into anything! Accept the digital future and capitalize on it! I bet the RIAA/MPAA was "cornered" into accepting VHS only to find out now that it's one of it's biggest cash cows. They never seem to learn from their history. I bet once the conglomerates see how well this works in Australia, we'll see some relaxation on the lobbying from RIAA/MPAA.
Hargun
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw.
In the article, we have this comment,
Michael Speck, of ARIA's anti-piracy investigations unit, said: "Any request or application that is made of the industry is not just point-blank rejected. This is very much a case of watch this space.
"There are many legitimate uses for CD burners. However, experience has shown illegitimate uses as well."
So, when music sales are down, it's because of those damn pirates, but when we can get somebody to pay us, regardless of our principles, then it's a legitimate use.
Yeah, riiight...
wtf ever happened to integrity, or better yet just proper use of the english language? it's called 'copying' because i get a COPY, i don't go into this thing and walk out holding a pirate...
If ``music piracy'' is defined as something similar to ``the illegal copying of music'', then how can the sentence ``plan that legalises music piracy'' be parsed? Once its legal, its no longer piracy.
and book a flight
... CDs burnt in an Australian kiosk won't work back home, they spin the other way.
Don't waste your time and money
Mmmmmmm
Yet another case of taxing everyone for the deeds of the few. Unfortunately, Australia has no laws about fair use (ok, they do have exemptions in their version of the DMCA, but only if the material wasn't copy-protected in the first place) so I guess it's better than expected.
Since we're paying royalties, does this mean we're entitled to copy and give these copied CDs away? After all, the artist is being compensated so it's not stealing, is it?
"Einstein argued that [...] God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the software engineer." ~ Brooks
Now that the first step is being implemented, we only need to take care of a few more steps.
1) lower copyright restrictions to 12 years.
2) require that if any work wants to have copyright protection, that it must submit it to a database for safekeeping
3) Open up all the works in that database that is older than 12 years old.
4) Network these kiosks to allow anyone to download and burn anything they want from the database
5) Now you have a library system that the founding fathers would be proud of.
I thought it was indescribably cool. The floorspace taken up by the dancing routine is a bit wasteful, but if you figure that you can replace several racks of CDs with one of these units I think it is well worth it.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
-a spring loaded fist that punches you if you try and copy any eminem cds
-a spring loaded built in lawyer that will automatically sue you if you try and copy any microsoft OS installation cds
-a beer holder (this is australia)
-australian friendly instructions such as "insert the bloody cd here!"
-anti-croc certification of all machines from the crocodile hunter
GoatPigSheep, the 3 most important food groups
Hey, if I were flogging these kiosks I'd have one outside every music store in the country.
:-)
Customer walks in to music store, looks for suitably copy-protected CD, pays his money, leaves the store, turns left at the doorway, pays his $5 walks back into the store with original CD in one hand, the dupicate in his left, steps up to the counter and says "I want my money back, it won't play in my CD player."
Money changes hands, customer walks out with his new $5 CD.
Six months later the RIAA can't understand why the guy who operates these kiosks now has a bigger house, faster car and larger boat than any of the recording company bosses
Please, can we have a break from sensasionalism.
BTW I think this such is a cool idea. Way to go, Aussies !
As an independant artists I would like to know how/if we could contribute music to these kiosks.
If so it would be a great distribution medium for us indy artists
// The fastest Alt-Tab in the West
Again, i state. The author is a Music journalist, and is largely clueless on technology, pointed out by this article and other articles written by the author in my city newspaper.
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
In australia the onus to avoid copyright infringement in on the user. So photocopying and CD burning in public and in private are treated the same. Oddly enough there is no need for some changeable, "fair use" docrine since you can copy whatever you like. If at a later date you are found to have breached copyright you can have the book thrown at you.
This approach has the benefit of being enforceable at least.
(one biased aussie's opinion)
imagination is more important than knowledge --Albert Einstein-
Rioters News: Foobaria supports piracy!
:))
After a hot debate, the Government of Foobaria decided to legalize self-serve photo-copying kiosks. Famous book authors are shocked.
CD burner, photocopier, what's the difference? Why does a CD- burner automagically become a piracy tool and at the same time a photocopier is considered just a necessity ?? Is it because the journalists just know how to operate the other one?
There are always extremes.
At one end of the spectrum you have the RIAA who have the ball and won't share unless you pay them a fistfull of cash (repeatedly in the case of streaming audio).
At the other end of the spectrum you have those who think that copying music without payment doesn't deprive anyone of anything.
Neither perspective is really rational in today's world where people deserve to be compensated for the value they create and the creators an marketers have to realise that the value of their product has changed significantly due to advances in technology.
The sensible people here aren't pro-piracy, they're simply advocating that the recording companies wake up to the fact that if they don't start to see sense pretty soon, the pirates will overwhelm them.
What we have here is a typical case of supply and demand demanding an adustment to pricing.
Thanks to digital duplication, the (illegal) supply is now endless. That means the price must drop if sales of (legal) products are to be maintained.
"Wake up or die" must be the message drummed into the thick skulls of the RIAA.
I'm not in favor of piracy -- I'm in favor of paying a fair price for a good product. Unfortunately that seems to conflict with the RIAA's agenda right now.
world- first plan that legalises [sic] music piracy
It's spelled "legalizes" in America, but it's spelled "legalises" in Britain, Australia, Canada, et al. There is no need for the "[sic]".
That's $5 Australian, between $3 and $2.50 US per burn. ($1 Aus this morning was 57c US, but it's been less than 55c US for most of last year). But since according to here CD writers in Oz are only about $125 Aus, then you're right.
Zoe Brain - Rocket Scientist
There is a double meaning for the company name "Little Ripper".
;-)
In Australia the word "ripper" is slang for excellent or great.
You often hear someone exclaim "you little ripper!" when they hear good news.
Guess it now also describes the 5-year old burning Wiggles CD's for his mates
smile, it makes everyone else wonder what you're up to
I assume we are talking about the CopyCat CD burning kiosks , made/sold by Multi-Tech Australia .
These kiosks copy the bips 'n blips on the CD track directly through hardware, they have no software to read the track, or the formating information on the CD, for that matter.
So any errors or copy protection gets copied too & it doesn't matter if its a non-ISO or part non-ISO formated CD being copied.
They will copy HFS, BFS or packet formatted CDs, no problem.
I remember reading a a blurb about these kiosks (some supermarkets in Adelaide have them) & the CD reader just records the bip 'n blips on the CD being copied & the burner just copies those blips 'n bips onto the new CD in realtime.
Really they work more like punch-card copiers than tradition PC CD burning apps.
Consequently there's no way for these copiers to tell if the CD is copyrighted or has copy protection, as such there's no 'by design' copy protection by-passing software/hardware built in. Plus as there's no way for the machine to tell if a CD is copyrighted there's no 'moral perogative' to reject such CDs.
In a way the machines get arround the copyright laws the same way the Kazaa P2P network did in the Dutch courts. Like Kazaa it has legit functionality (backing up personal data or tranfering personal data, as is the case with Kazaa) & like Kazaa the design from the start has no ability to tell what's being copied & whether it copyrighted or has copy protection.
Hence AMCOS only choice other than a 6% levy was a long court case that they'd most probably lose. Really multi-Tech (or who ever) just decided to agree to the 6% levy because it saves a long drawn out court case & its easily passed on.
There's not much new here, only the roylaty payments stuff.
Here is the earlier story from april.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.