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World's First Photo

angkor cut-and-pastes "'The image acknowledged as the world's first photograph - taken by a French inventor in 1826 - has passed its first full-scale analysis with flying colors and is now awaiting an airtight case that will keep it safe for centuries to come, scientists said Wednesday.'" See also the first color photography.

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  1. I'm willing to bet 20 francs... by Anixamander · · Score: 5, Funny

    that the world's second photo was of a naked woman.

    I've lost track of the humber of technologies that were initially driven by porn. BBS's, Video CD's, e-commerce, and of course, the amazing X10 camera.

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    1. Re:I'm willing to bet 20 francs... by phaze3000 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Franc? What's a franc?

      I think you mean €20...

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  2. inventor info by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Informative

    A little more info on the inventor here and here

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  3. Too bad that... by qurob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first picture I ever took with my digital camera faded away, due to the ink in my canon inkjet

    Do you think in 5 years I'll be able to pull these pictures off my CDR's? Much less to show my grandchildren...

    1. Re:Too bad that... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes... yes you will.
      Cd rom drives will be available. Hell I still have a bernulli drive and those have been out of date for over 10 years. I can still read a 5.25 inch floppy and I'll bet that I can find someone with a 8 inch floppy drive and a computer that can read it+ write it to a modern format, or at least connect to a linux box via serial port and upload it.

      Hell, I know someone that has the dreaded syquest drive.

      many many of us still have nasty-old tech lying around, and if you use something that was in widespread acceptance, it makes it super easy to convert (cdrom)

      Right now it's easier to find a 9track tape drive than a 8inch floppy drive.. as the 9 track tape was widely used while 8inch floppy was sparsely used for ony a 2 year span before the tech moved to 5.25 inch.

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    2. Re:Too bad that... by gorilla · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can go older than that. 7 track tapes were introduced in 1952, and obsolete in 1966 with the introduction of the 9 track tape. There are still people with working 7 track drives who can read 7 track.

  4. This is really the second photo by WeeLad · · Score: 3, Funny

    The first one was destroyed after the photographer realized his thumb was over the aperture.

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  5. A thing to note... by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As you see, both walls, the one showing left and the right one, are lit by the sun. Also the sky seems somewhat blurry and apears to have something one might call an 'intense twighlight'.
    That's because he exposed the "Film" over the entire day in order to actually make a picture, thus tracking every daylight condition and them changing with the path of the sun.
    This is indeed an amazing inovative feat. I would have liked to meet this guy.

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  6. outrageous... by lfourrier · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...to have a Reuters sig under a photo obviously in the public domain for a long time.

    Capitalism is no excuse for the privatisation of the commons. Signing this photo reuters instead of Niepce is clearly stealing.

  7. First photo? Wild Turin Shroud theories... by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting
    OK. I'd like to demolish my credibility before starting on this, so...
    • I don't know any references to back up what I'm saying
    • I'm basing the information on a Fortean Time's article I read a few years ago

    Given the above, I remember reading that one possibility for the Turin Shroud was that it was an early, and I mean early, photograph. Apparently, the Turks had developed a method of photography involving canvas and I -think- silver nitrate (maybe mercury?). This was in use during the 1500s, as far as I recally the article saying.

    Now, the photography they were talking about wouldn't bear much resemblence to a camera as we would recognise it. I believe the subject had to be very still, covered in this impregnated cloth and then the light would do the rest.

    I realise this is a very sketchy post, but I'm at work right now and really am not able to spend ages chasing down the relevant information. Just chucking this one out for a bit of interest really...

    Cheers,
    Ian

  8. rumors of earlier photographs by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    for a while there has been the theory that the Shroud of Turin is in fact a primitive photograph created by Renaissance Uber Geek Leonardo Da Vinci, via Camera Obscura and natural chemicals. There are other candidates as well.

    See the various links one, two, three.

    Grain of salt not provided. This quickly wanders off into the land of wierdos, as there is also a lot of political infighting in the land of psuedo science. The Idea of the Shroud being a hoax is politically loaded.

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  9. Dangers of early photography by Randatola · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many early photographers died of horrible nervous conditions, a result of exposure to toxic chemicals used in Daguerrotype and other early photographic processes. Ambrotype and tintype, introduced in the 1850's, were faster and the chemicals involved were both cheaper and safer.

  10. Hidden Photos by boa13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are quite a few more photos available at the Prokudin-Gorskii Exhibition than officially linked from the pages of the exhibition. If I'm not mistaken, 111 photos are available, but only 61 are linked. How to reach them is quite trivial and left as an execise for the reader. Hey, you'll even get the chance to have a beautiful picture of Alix Chevallier!

  11. Should be seen in person by glenmark · · Score: 5, Informative

    I saw the real thing several years ago in a lobby to one of the upper floors of the Harry Ransom Center here at UT. The picture is tiny, and the image faint, looking for all the world like a scrap of tinfoil with the image only visible from certain angles, manifested as a slight difference in the gloss of the surface. I can't help but wonder what it looked like when it was new.

    There were many wonders to behold in that building. On that particular visit, I was "behind the ropes" to do some maintenance work on a database server sitting in the corner of one of the center's conservation rooms. Sitting near me were a remarkable array of items, ranging from a model sailboat used in the making of an old John Huston film, to a collection of original Edgar Allen Poe manuscripts. And these were items that weren't even on display. I would've love to have just spent months rummaging around in that one room...

    Sadly, much of the collection of the Harry Ransom Center is accessible on to scholars on a by-reservation basis. Fortunately, plans are in place to make the collects more accessible to the public.

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  12. Taken in France by a Frenchman and its in... TEXAS by fruey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I lived in the town of birth of Niecephore Niepce for a year. The photo was taken, I believe, in a nearby village. I find it incredible that this historic piece of French, and by extension European invention, is in America. Many others are too, no doubt. Some great Daguerrotypes are in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, for example. They are fascinating to look at, as they change a little based on your angle of viewing. Not quite like a holograph but a truly mind-bending experience. They are far more elegant IRL than looked at on a web page in 2D. The silver tones are fantastic compared to white and black photo paper or 72dpi greyscale.

    In fact the town (Chalon sur Saone, in Burgundy) is a quiet place with very little tourism. Should that photo be there, however, perhaps it would be taken more often for what it is - the birthplace of modern photography. There is a little Museum there (The Niepce Museum) which is fantastically interesting. Sadly its piece de resistance is in Texas.

    Chalon sur Saone still has a big Kodak factory though. A lot of you who may have toured in Paris etc may have bought film manufactured there.

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  13. Lipmann Plates by TwobyTwo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my opinion, the RGB separation is not nearly as cool as the roughly contemporary work of Gabriel Lipmann. His 1891 system achieved full accurate color using no dyed materials in either the film or the viewing system (I.e. no color filters etc.)

    Lipmann turned a clear glass B&W film plate so the emulsion faced away from the lens (I.e. the light had to travel through the thickness of the light to reach the emulsion). He placed the emulsion in contact with a reflecting mercury bath. Light from the lens traveled through the emulsion twice, once on its way from the lens, and again bouncing back from the mercury mirror thus forming....standing waves through the thickness of the emulsion.

    In other words, color was recorded according in the third plane...through the thickness of the exposed material. Blue light = tightly spaced waves, red = less tight. The plate is viewed by again sandwiching against the mercury reflector, and viewing in white lite. The interference causes the colors to reappear.

    Note that these colors are 100% accurate as long as the dimensions of the emulsion are stable. Of course, the balance can change if the viewing light isn't white.

    I read about this in a Pop Photo in the 1960's, I think. One of the most beautiful pieces of scientific/photographic work I've heard of. He won a Nobel prize for this in 1908.

  14. Re:Silly, silly, silly by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    (* No...in this theory the whole thing is meant to be a photograph. It's the light that created the effect, not actual contact. So your geometry-based objections are overcome. *)

    Since nobody knows how it was created, it cannot be (yet) called a "photograph". The 1826 photo we know came from a *lense* and we know pretty much how it was created.

    We don't know if the Shroud used lenses or anything. There has been suggestion that pigment was detected, so it appears that some artistry was involved.

    Interesting how the first photo was not a negative. His process turned white under light instead of dark.