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"'The image acknowledged as the world's first photograph - taken by a French inventor in 1826 - has passed its first full-scale analysis with flying colors and is now awaiting an airtight case that will keep it safe for centuries to come, scientists said Wednesday.'" See also the first color photography.
or was it taken by the world? ;)
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For once, deliberate linking on slashdot to an image does not lead to goatse.
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that the world's second photo was of a naked woman.
I've lost track of the humber of technologies that were initially driven by porn. BBS's, Video CD's, e-commerce, and of course, the amazing X10 camera.
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball(TM)
The image [...] has passed its first full-scale analysis with flying colors
Flying black and white, shurely? Color, nor 'flying' existed in the 1800s.
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where saying "First." really does mean something.
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The second photo was taken 15 minutes later when his mistress finally finished taking off her many layers of undergarments.
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A little more info on the inventor here and here
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
The first picture I ever took with my digital camera faded away, due to the ink in my canon inkjet
Do you think in 5 years I'll be able to pull these pictures off my CDR's? Much less to show my grandchildren...
interesting ... the photo gets the same fate as the inventor, or were coffins airtight back then?
Fault loves the past, worry loves the future, but content enjoys the present.
I wish all the damn Time Travellers from the future would quit planting crap like this so we can stop wasting scientific effort. "We found the oldest photograph!!" Big Deal. Work on something new and ADD to science fro Chrissake.
"I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
Unfortunately this article is very short on the facts surrounding the actual technology involved in taking the picture.
I have read about this before, but most of the details aren't coming to me so I won't even try to pass them on and I don't seem to be able to find an article on this at the moment, but I do know that it took a very, _very_ long time to expose it. Can't remember the exact number but it was at least a full day.
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... what kind of developer or fixer a pewter plate used?! To bad PhotoFlow is a more recent invention, because that plate REALLY looks like it could have used it!
The wages of sin are unreported and back taxes are hell to pay.
The first one was destroyed after the photographer realized his thumb was over the aperture.
Seriously, Don't take anything I say seriously.
Am I the only one that thought the first photo would be of Pr0n? I mean, what the hell is the point of spending years constructing an idea to just take a picture of some roof tops?
first pr0n!
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So whatever happened to Linux At tech expo open source software is hard to find By John W SchoenMSNBC NEW YORK June 26 Just a few years ago one of the hottest topics at this annual confluence of PC hardware and software makers was the socalled open source alternative to Microsofts industrydominant Windows operating system Soon open source proponents argued PC users would be liberated from the burden of paying for software The Linux operating system and other open source alternatives written by devoted bands of volunteer programmers would be available to anyone for the cost of a download But today Windows is still running on the vast majority of PCs So what happened LINUX HASNT gone away But after attracting widespread attention and generating several moonshot initial public offerings during the tech boom purveyors of Linux software and support have fallen back to earth along with their stocks Earlier this month Red Hat which sells about half of all Linux software reported a loss of 43 million on an 8 percent drop in revenues in the latest quarter as corporate customers continued to squeeze every penny of their computer budgets Ironically those tight budgets have helped fuel adoption of Linux by managers of large corporate technology departments Created by Finish college student Linus Torvalds and continually updated and improved by a loose confederation of programmers who arent paid for their work Linux is available without the steep licensing fees that come with commercially produced software Companies like Red Hat sell upgraded versions and provide technical support but dont charge licensing fees Those continuing upgrades have begun to generate increased interest from costconscious technology managers A recent survey of 800 companies in North America and Western Europe found that some 40 percent said they were either using or testing Linux according to the research firm IDC With some 27 percent of the market Linux is now the second most popular operating system for servers supplanting the decadesold operating system UNIX Microsoft holds the top spot MSNBC is a MicrosoftNBC joint venture Numbers like those have caught the attention of computer hardware makers Last year as the personal computer slogged through the worst sales crash in its history Linux server sales jumped by more than 50 percent to 400 million with IBM leading the pack Linux used to be just a bunch of geeks trying to change the industry said Elizabeth Phillips a HewlettPackard spokesperson Now Linux is becoming more mainstream every day Linux is also shining brightly on the radar screens of software makers like Oracle which is heavily marketing the latest version of its highend corporate enterprise software which generates mainframelike horsepower using clusters of relatively cheap servers running Linux LINUX BOOT CAMP But Linux has hardly made a dent in the desktop and home user markets At PC conventions like this one Microsofts Windows operating system still rules with some 94 percent of the operating system market for desktops and laptop PCs according to IDC Despite its growing popularity among computer professionals its still not completely user friendly Its for geeks said Faber Fedor a New Jerseybased consultant who helps small businesses upgrade to Linux Near the end of a long hallway in the basement of the Jacob Javits Center at a wellattended conference called Linux Boot Camp Fedor walked a roomful of developers and IT managers through the basics and not so basics of converting to the Linux world Until recently interacting with Linux was almost entirely textdriven much like Windows precursor DOS So converting meant learning an arcane vocabulary of computerese to give the PC even the simplest commands But Linux software is getting better and now more closely mimics the Windows world that the vast majority of PC users are accustomed to A Linuxbased opensource email program called Evolution looks pretty much like a standard Windows desktop OpenOffices provide most key features offered by Microsoft Office including a word processor spreadsheet and mail program Fedor says these alternatives offer more than a familiar look and feel We dont get viruses he said Last year viruses cost the business world billions but every one of those was on Windows WOOING THE HOME USER But adopters of Linux still face hurdles living in a Microsoft world High on the list of headaches is incompatibilities with files created with Microsoft products like Word Small software makers like Lindows are trying to help desktop users bridge that divide Still Linux evangelists like Fedor say that as long as new PCs come preloaded with Windows the open source community faces an uphill battle spreading Linux beyond corporate IT departments into the home Linux partisans point to some small victories WalMart recently began selling a house brand PC at rock bottom prices available with Linux for the thriftiest PC buyersThat thrift among home PC buyers though has further hampered the spread of Linux to home desktops Its another reason software developers like Dave Potter of Fountainville Pa prefer writing programs for corporate users He says he doesnt see much point writing Linux applications for individual PC buyers Home users are cheap he said At 4995 youre going to have to sell a whole lot of copies to make it in the market And as Linux proponents continue to try to enlist desktop PC users Microsoft is busy reinventing that desktop With sales of new PCs in their worst slump in decades Microsoft is hoping to reboot Windows sales by leading the charge toward the Tablet PC a sort of PDA on steroids With new technology to recognize and manipulate handwriting and speech Microsoft and its hardware and software partners are hoping to usher in a whole new platform by giving users all the capabilities of ink according to Microsoft Group Vice President Jeff Raikes Microsoft and the rest of the PC industry are hedging their bets by designing several variations of the device from a standalone tablet about the size of a standard piece of paper to a laptop with a display that flips around and folds flat with the screen facing outward The goal is to replace rather than augment existing PCs according to Leland Rockoff a director of Microsofts table PC project We see this as a primary PC he said Theyre not appliances theyre not companions theyre not secondary But Rockoff says the companys strategy with regard to open source software will be the same as it is with Windows XP
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Yawn...
by Anixamander on 08:08 AM -- Thursday June 27 2002
Dammit, I shouldn't have spent 12 minutes spell cheicking that line.
All advancement seems to be driven by people's need for prOn... Or do you really believe people use broadband, huge monitors and whopping big hard drives to download and look at Word documents all day?
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"If you think of all the history of photographs, the development of film and television, they all come from this first image," said senior Getty scientist Dusan Stulik.
Excellent, *tenting fingers*, soon the MPAA will be infringing on my copyright.
"Oh no Mr. Smithers, the MPAA is coming, help me Smithers!"
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -Tom Waits
As you see, both walls, the one showing left and the right one, are lit by the sun. Also the sky seems somewhat blurry and apears to have something one might call an 'intense twighlight'.
That's because he exposed the "Film" over the entire day in order to actually make a picture, thus tracking every daylight condition and them changing with the path of the sun.
This is indeed an amazing inovative feat. I would have liked to meet this guy.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Actually, the photo had been taken 40 years earlier, but Joe had to wait for the first Fotomat to be invented.
The second link is entirely more interesting than the initial story. The process that this Russian developed for color photographs back in the early 1900's and the fact that we can now view them is increditable.
Beat's the hell out of Ted Turner's colorization of old movies.
that the first thing that came to my mind when he said "awaiting an airtight case" was "why is it in court?"
You see, without that little doohicky, the universe stops.
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...to have a Reuters sig under a photo obviously in the public domain for a long time.
Capitalism is no excuse for the privatisation of the commons. Signing this photo reuters instead of Niepce is clearly stealing.
do you actually read the comments before you post danthe1man?
Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said.
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Given the above, I remember reading that one possibility for the Turin Shroud was that it was an early, and I mean early, photograph. Apparently, the Turks had developed a method of photography involving canvas and I -think- silver nitrate (maybe mercury?). This was in use during the 1500s, as far as I recally the article saying.
Now, the photography they were talking about wouldn't bear much resemblence to a camera as we would recognise it. I believe the subject had to be very still, covered in this impregnated cloth and then the light would do the rest.
I realise this is a very sketchy post, but I'm at work right now and really am not able to spend ages chasing down the relevant information. Just chucking this one out for a bit of interest really...
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I shouldn't have spent 12 minutes spell cheicking that line.
Well, maybe next time... ooops!
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Do you know why windows will always have more market share? It's cos of beutified names.. '95' 'Xp' "Me"... where as we have un-exited numbers... 2.0.2.17 ???
damn... too stoned... ahhh computer falling!!
...was by Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii. He used three cameras to capture red, green and blue values and combined the output. Online archive here - absolutely incredible!
See the various links one, two, three.
Grain of salt not provided. This quickly wanders off into the land of wierdos, as there is also a lot of political infighting in the land of psuedo science. The Idea of the Shroud being a hoax is politically loaded.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Dammit, I shouldn't have spent 12 minutes spell cheicking that line.
;-)
I dunno... maybe you should've.
Many early photographers died of horrible nervous conditions, a result of exposure to toxic chemicals used in Daguerrotype and other early photographic processes. Ambrotype and tintype, introduced in the 1850's, were faster and the chemicals involved were both cheaper and safer.
You can get more information about the Ransom Center's photographic collections.
There are quite a few more photos available at the Prokudin-Gorskii Exhibition than officially linked from the pages of the exhibition. If I'm not mistaken, 111 photos are available, but only 61 are linked. How to reach them is quite trivial and left as an execise for the reader. Hey, you'll even get the chance to have a beautiful picture of Alix Chevallier!
I saw the real thing several years ago in a lobby to one of the upper floors of the Harry Ransom Center here at UT. The picture is tiny, and the image faint, looking for all the world like a scrap of tinfoil with the image only visible from certain angles, manifested as a slight difference in the gloss of the surface. I can't help but wonder what it looked like when it was new.
There were many wonders to behold in that building. On that particular visit, I was "behind the ropes" to do some maintenance work on a database server sitting in the corner of one of the center's conservation rooms. Sitting near me were a remarkable array of items, ranging from a model sailboat used in the making of an old John Huston film, to a collection of original Edgar Allen Poe manuscripts. And these were items that weren't even on display. I would've love to have just spent months rummaging around in that one room...
Sadly, much of the collection of the Harry Ransom Center is accessible on to scholars on a by-reservation basis. Fortunately, plans are in place to make the collects more accessible to the public.
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The article states that they're trying to recreate the process by which the original picture was taken.
Once they've done that, they should figgure out where the window from which the picture was taken was and take a new (8 hour) exposure with the old technology, as a comparason.
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...That is, the last photograph taken on film-as-we-know-it, by a photochemical process involving silver halides?
I know that won't be a very well-defined event, since undoubtedly researchers, historians, and dedicate hobbyists will periodically rediscover and revive it... there's never any point at which you can say "the last daguerrotype has been taken."
Let's put it this way. At the end, there will still be photo stores that carry film--but only specialty, boutique stores, and only in large cities, and the film they carry will be from the last manufacturer that will continue to make it for aficionados. Then that last manufacturer will pull the plug and you won't be able to make a "photo" unless you're prepared to make the emulsion and film yourself.
How long until that happens? My guess: fifteen years.
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I think it's fake! Theer's no tourist in the picture!
It's funny, laugh!
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They're a lot more likely to be viewable than color photographs you took 15 years ago. Color prints, especially the first decade or two worth, fade incredibly fast compared to properly processed (i.e. washed until bleach and other chemicals are gone) black and white photos. From what I understand, there are more B&W civil war photos surviving than color photos from the first 5-10 years of those (and I read this a while back, so I assume it's only gotten worse.)
Yes, CDRs do degrade (albeit slowly.) But you can always transfer the information over to new CDRs with no degredation (yay digital tech!)
I'm more concerned about my DV tapes. Will they degrade before I can afford to transfer them to DVDs (at current prices transferring even my small collection would cost me nearly a grand.)
If you really want to preserve your photos for eternity, post them to USENET. Everyone knows the binaries there are just the same photos being posted over and over...
"But the scientists have still to try to recreate that process."
Why? Is there some need for antiquated photo processing? While the photograph is of significant historical value, I can see no value in re-creating the process. We have no shortage of poor quality photographs today. Even todays poorest quality is FAR superior to this. Why would anyone waste research dollars trying to reproduce the process.
In fact the town (Chalon sur Saone, in Burgundy) is a quiet place with very little tourism. Should that photo be there, however, perhaps it would be taken more often for what it is - the birthplace of modern photography. There is a little Museum there (The Niepce Museum) which is fantastically interesting. Sadly its piece de resistance is in Texas.
Chalon sur Saone still has a big Kodak factory though. A lot of you who may have toured in Paris etc may have bought film manufactured there.
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One theory is that Leonardo Da Vinci created the Shroud of Turin using primitive photographic techniques that he discovered. In this theory, Jesus Christ as depicted on the Shroud is really Leonardo himself. Such a feat puts the earliest photograph back another 350 years or so...
What was the first digital photograph taken?
Is it in some lab somewhere?
Moments ago, I posted a story on my website to the Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii exhibit on LOC.gov. I clicked submit and then jumped to Slashdot to check the headlines - Imagine my surprise when I see this link.
I feel like monkey #100 right now...
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For fans of the Prokudin-Gorskii Collection pictures. By searching the catalog it came up with 2608 pictures that you can view. Most of these are in black and white. Just click the link and start viewing. Be warned that it is a bit slow, and slahdotting may make it worse.
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Probably never. Artists still make paintings using paint made from linseed oil and egg yoak, even though modern replacements have made them 'obsolete'.
This guy claims to have found a very early Daguerreotype of Abraham Lincoln as young man. He's been trying to sell it for a lot of money, so he's been in the news. Hard to say absolutely, but I have to admit he makes an interesting case.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
It's too bad that the treasures of American, Egyptian, et al civilizations were plundered, raided and taken to...Europe. Give back our civilization, you can have your fscking picture back.
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I blocked all content coming from akamai.net. Man, why can't they just use ad*.akamai.net instead of a bunch of numbers!!??
Did he use a Nikon or Canon pinhole to take the picture?
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
Is it just me that 90% of what I see posted to Slashdot lately I've already read elsewhere?
There are many many ways to archive. Try webmagic. If that is too much to learn (for me it is) then just make the html yourself as you archive. Try setting the thubnail size to 100x100 in GMC and using blue fish to make a few example tables of the thumbnails pointing to the real picture. Blue fish does have a way to automate this, but I don't know it yet. Right now vi does everything I need. There you have it.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
It's in Texas because Europe has a terrible history of maintaining peace and protecting the treasures of humanity in its keep.
I'm not kidding. I'd rather have something like that in Texas than anywhere in Europe, given the past 4 centuries of European history.
(actually, I'd rather see a monstrous archive developed somewhere remote and commonly owned, like Antarctica, that would act as a storage space for all of human civilization's artifacts)
But this particular photo just happens to be dear to my heart because I stayed there a while and the locals would have liked it back. But of course, art must be disseminated to reach as wide an audience as possible.
I'm still willing to bet that more European stuff is in American (and especially in private collections) than vice versa.
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In my opinion, the RGB separation is not nearly as cool as the roughly contemporary work of Gabriel Lipmann. His 1891 system achieved full accurate color using no dyed materials in either the film or the viewing system (I.e. no color filters etc.)
Lipmann turned a clear glass B&W film plate so the emulsion faced away from the lens (I.e. the light had to travel through the thickness of the light to reach the emulsion). He placed the emulsion in contact with a reflecting mercury bath. Light from the lens traveled through the emulsion twice, once on its way from the lens, and again bouncing back from the mercury mirror thus forming....standing waves through the thickness of the emulsion.
In other words, color was recorded according in the third plane...through the thickness of the exposed material. Blue light = tightly spaced waves, red = less tight. The plate is viewed by again sandwiching against the mercury reflector, and viewing in white lite. The interference causes the colors to reappear.
Note that these colors are 100% accurate as long as the dimensions of the emulsion are stable. Of course, the balance can change if the viewing light isn't white.
I read about this in a Pop Photo in the 1960's, I think. One of the most beautiful pieces of scientific/photographic work I've heard of. He won a Nobel prize for this in 1908.
Smear makeup on your face. Drape an old sheet over it like a shroud. Wait for the contact print to form. Peel off the sheet. Look at it. Notice how it looks just like Arnold the cartoon character?
Now look at a picture of the Shroud of Turin. Notice how the face doesn't look like a football? Notice how it's even gaunt?
Any technology or spiritual manifestation or whatever that involves the shroud being used on the shroud would produce Mr. Football Head, because of the basic geometry. There is no more need to think about it.
If they like I can print them a copy on my ink jet printer, it will look just like the original.
I'm glad the people of Chalon have something to be pleased about, it is a drab, grey town of little other note.
Some would say this makes a lot of sense biologically. It's a bit of a reduction, but why do anything (read, build technology) unless it helps us survive and procreate? I'd say that porn is a expressional side-effect of the basic human need for sex.
But then again I'm sure all geeks, with better things to do such as recompiling their kernel, are above such simple things as procreation. :)
No this is not offtopic. Sit down.
Experts had previously theorized that Niepce, using the lens of a rudimentary camera, exposed the rural image outside his window onto a thin pewter plate coated with a thin layer of bitumen, a tar-like substance.
So some bloke was already developing the first camera, and would have the crown for the first photo if Monsieur Niepce hadn't whipped it? Sacre blue!
Okay, There's a bit more information about the location in this post down below: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=34968& cid=3778976.
I guess I could have found some of this info if I wasn't so blasted lazy... err, I mean *busy*.
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oh my god!
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there are 2 aliens in this picture!!
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_7
they glow!!
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[They hid the index inside 'Search the collection' - see 'Preview' under 'Other ways to search']
I had never heard of the Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center prior to this week. There was a contestant on Jeopardy from there earlier this week who mentioned the photo on air.
All my previous sigs now look like this one, I wish they were permanetly recorded when used.
... but not a duplicate! I checked, and this does not appear above.
If you have some spare pewter paper then you may well be able to get a reproduction similar to the original, if you replace your ink with a bitumen based fluid ;-)
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The tapes themselves, not the readers and not the formats of the data on the tapes, last considerably less than a decade, depending on who you ask and how you store them and the quality of the tape. Analog tapes are far more vulnerable than digital ones, but estimates range from 1 year to 20 years, but between 5 and 10 (under optimal storage) being very common estimates.
Since most people choose their data tapes based on lowest price, quality is usually crap and you can only count on a year or two of reliability. Five years is probably top average life expectancy for less than top of the line tapes (non- metal or chrome tapes) with optimum storage. Optimum storage conditions are around 21 C and 41% humidity. Neither of the two common tape storage units like gym bags or car trunks meet those conditions. :P
Eventually you will have to migrate to another of the same type of physical medium or a different type of physical medium. Most people only think of this after they've lost a few years of archived data. Do this migration before you start losing data. A good tape costs a few bucks, the data probably cost hundreds of thousands or millions to acquire and may not be replacable.
If you are really paranoid, keep three backups: one for occasional restores, one for backup, and one in case something bad happened to the first two.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.