DotGNU Meet-a-thon

Gopal.V writes "It's time for the Quarterly DotGNU IRC Meet-a-thon. As usual, we'll be having it on #dotgnu on irc.openprojects.net. We will be discussing the current state of DotGNU, where we've gone and where we should be headed. Anyone who is interested should join us. In particular, we are not only looking for developers to be involved in this meet, but also potential DotGNU users. We are very interested in addressing any questions/input from anyone who will one day use our framework. So come one, come all. The last meet was a lot of fun and we expect this this IRC meet will be even better than the last. Again, the IRC meet is taking place on: Server: irc.openprojects.net, Channel: #dotgnu. The meeting will run for a 36 hour period from 22:00 UTC Saturday 29 July 2002 until 10:00 UTC Monday 31 July. Every 4 hours will be an official meet time, when the major DotGNU members will be online. Most discussions will revolve round DotGNU projects and other issues concerning freedom in the new MS initiatives like .NET , and Palladium." I think this announcement may be slightly wrong on the times since it disagrees with the post to the email list; but this is posted as submitted.

Comments

I'm disappointed with their choice of OPN

[Clue4All]

I'm especially disappointed with Rob Levin, but at the same time, I'm proud of OFTC.net which is turning out to be a worthy replacement for OpenProjects. Once again, people have demonstrated the Internet's abilitity to route around greed the same way it routes around damage.

For those who aren't up to scratch with IRC history, Rob Levin is the founder of OpenProjects, a successful forum for Open Source developers. However, recently he was sacked from his workplace. Despite being offered employment in his area and worldwide, he has refused them on grounds of "being too good" and has instead taken the easy way out and pilfered the OpenProjects funds to maintain his $150,000 per annum income. Levin is now nothing more than an opportunist who is exploiting the goodwill of sponsors and the community, misrepresenting his own personal keep-me-rich charity as an Open Source fund, despite never having contributed a single line of code to any Open project. Recently, he's taken to abusing volunteers and developers on the IRC network, threatening to shut them down or "K-Line" (permanent ban) them from the network unless they conform with his views and contribute to his salary, in effect trying to milk them for money. He also knows exactly what people with resources to donate want to hear and is often able to sweet-talk money out of companies and individuals who want to assist the Open Source community.

Note that I have nothing but respect for the other OpenProjects staff members, particularly their ircd coders. I hope that they will be successful in ejecting LILO from the team before he runs OpenProjects onto the rocks. After all, the network is every bit their property and the property of the bandwidth sponsorors as it is of this corrupt and misguided individual.

In the meantime, I welcome you to #Mandrake and #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net!

Re:I'm disappointed with their choice of OPN

[lilo]

I'm sorry to see this sort of comment. It contains a number of untruths. I've recently been trolled a fair amount on OPN for asking for help to stay afloat while I finished setting up a nonprofit corporation to run OPN and to work on other community related projects. The economy has not been kind to me and to some others as well.

Some people are annoyed that I've used global notices. Well, they're pretty annoying, so I can understand their viewpoint.

Some people are irritated that I've asked for voluntary help, personally (not on behalf of OPN or the nonprofit) from the users. I'm sorry they feel that way, but am glad that some of the users have managed to do things like help me keep my apartment.

Nobody is trying to eject me from OPN other than some trolls and some folks who are listening without asking a lot of questions about what they're hearing. All I'll say at this point is something I've said on OPN: rumor, innuendo and ridicule can destroy reputations and ruin good work. If someone tells you something about another person, ask them how they know it and who told them. Go to the original sources; if there are no original sources, think about why the person has none to provide. Think about what people tell you and look for inconsistencies. Anyone's reputation can be damaged by distortions and untruths.

If you want to find out what I've been talking about lately, look here and here. If you're reading about this here, chances are you have not used OPN and I would appreciate your NOT using the PayPal button on that site. Any help I'm asking for, I'm asking from OPN users who know my work, who want to help and who have the means to do so without hurting themselves.

Thanks,

Rob Levin

Re:I'm disappointed with their choice of OPN

[dzym]

Disregarding, once more, the sheer unethicalness of using your special privileges on the network to solicit money from your users. Disregarding, of course, the dubious legal grounds of your actions as related to Open Projects Network as a non-profit entity. How typical.

And disregarding the fact that the group that you label the the trolls, the "vocal minority" as you call us, conveniently enough, just happen to include almost every single one of the former staff that have been with the network since the very beginning, and have been jumping ship precisely because they saw what was coming.

Disregarding the fact that even various server sponsors have been silenced for complaining about your heavy-handed tactics in dealing with dissent.

Disregarding the fact that the administrative channel, once a forum for the open transmission of thought and understanding, has been turned into a police state of staffers who silence users at a whim and k-line the "vocal minority" at the drop of a hat.

Disregarding that the channel itself has been marked moderated (+m) purely because you do not have the guts to stand up to a fair critique of your mistakes.

You, lilo, are out of control. Every last stabilizing factor in the OPN staff have been eliminated. All who remain are little more than cronies who will stand for everything you do or say because they know no better. Just this past weekend you removed the o:lines of 2 staff.opn members for the simple reason that they have been chatting on OFTC, the alternative to your iron-handed rule.

Frankly, we're tired of your bullshit. Take it elsewhere.

Re:I'm disappointed with their choice of OPN

[lpontiac]

I would also like to point out that lilo is not asking for a salary

AFAIK, Lilo's always felt that receiving a significant chunk of income from OPN is an appropriate goal. It's not on the current version of the page (last modified today, according to the footer), but an older copy of an openprojects.net page at archive.org states:

The intent was to find a sponsor to pay his salary so that he could work on the network fulltime ..... OPN will continue to grow. At some point it will become large enough that one or two full-time salaries can be paid out of voluntary contributions by users.