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New Alloy Stronger Than Fe And Ti

SoCalChris writes "According to this article on MSNBC.com, researchers at CalTech have discovered a new alloy that is stronger than steel and titanium, can be cast in a mold like plastic, and sharpened like glass. The first plans for the new alloy are to be used in golf clubs, baseball bats, skis, and cell phone covers."

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  1. gah by Grandpa+Jive · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fe is iron, not steel. Steel is an alloy, not an element.

    1. Re:gah by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jeez, what are you, the accuracy police? The guy said "Fe", so he must have a black belt in psuedoscience. Don't interject with actual facts!

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  2. Wow, how revolutionary by nuggz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As they say in the article it isn't anything new. They just make it a bit thicker, why is this even news?

    1. Re:Wow, how revolutionary by mberman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because the difference between "less than a millimetre thick" and "arbitrarily thick, and castable without needing to be machined afterwards" is huge. Also, the science behind the "making it a bit thicker" is nontrivial. The process behind the old-style, which produces films, is totally different than the process behind this new one. It's not like making a golf club is anything like making a really thick film. This is old news in that the research was done in 1992, but it's new news because it's finally beginning to be pushed in the industry, where we'll actually see any benefits from it.

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    2. Re:Wow, how revolutionary by mosch · · Score: 3, Funny

      yes, and in other news Ford has made a new mustang that can go 3000mph while getting 400mpg. It's not news, because it's just a bit faster, and a bit more efficient than last year's mustang.

  3. First uses?! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Funny
    The first plans for the new alloy are to be used in golf clubs, baseball bats, skis, and cell phone covers
    Truly a magnificent discovery that will bring untold benefits to the human race!

    But seriously, this looks very interesting, I imagine car and aircraft manufacturers could use a metal such as this. A lot depend on the cost to make and machine it though.
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  4. Fatigue strength? by peteypooh · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article mentions 'twice as strong as steel and titanium', yet does not quote which 'strength' this refers to (or gives any real objective data). I suspect it might have high tensile strength (hard to break by pulling it apart)...

    But materials like this tend also to be brittle, and do not do well in other kinds of loading. Take 'fatigue' loading, for instance. This measures how well it holds up to repeated loads, such as crankshaft in a car. Materials with uncrystalline structures not only tend to fail quickly under repeated loads, but also tend to fell catastrophically (breaking in two, instead of gradually bending).

    The article doesn't give enough info to verify this - just my thoughts. In material science, you generally have to make a compromise - in this case, tensile strength against fatigue life.

  5. Re:only time ... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Well, if you read the article, you might have noticed that it said the alloy was particularly heat sensitive. Hence, very unsuitable for that particular application."

    Quotation from article:

    "Liquidmetal Technologies chief executive John Kang stands with a sample of an armor-piercing shell made of Liquidmetal -- which could one day replace depleted uranium in tank shells."

    I think weapons design is still in.

  6. Hazardous? by jhines · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The alloy contains beryllium, a particularly toxic metal, requiring special handling.

    Does this make this alloy hazardous as well?

    1. Re:Hazardous? by Kredal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure, just like salt (sodium and chlorine) will kill you if you breathe it, and water (hydrogen and oxygen) is highly flammable.

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  7. Re:Cars by BinxBolling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The big deal in auto safety isn't in getting the vehicle to withstand a violent impact. It's in making it more likely that the passengers will survive such an impact. Ever hear of 'crumple zones'? The idea there is to sacrifice the vehicle, getting it to absorb much of the energy of the impact, in order to improve the passenger's chances of survival.

    Would you want to buy a car that would come away from a head-on collision with only minor damage to the vehicle itself, but that would leave the driver splattered all over the interior?

  8. Re:Cars by Com2Kid · · Score: 5, Funny
    • You don't want a car to withstand a front end collision. Even if cars could be made indestructible, they wouldn't be. Havn't you ever heard of a crumple zone? You want the car to decelerate as slowly as possible, which mean crushing as much as possible.
    Bull Fucking Shit

    You know those commercials where the car hits the brick wall and they show how well the car 'crumples' up as a safety feature?

    I hate those.

    If I hit a brick wall, I WANT TO KEEP ON GOING RIGHT ON THROUGH fuck the brick wall and fuck crumpling up like a wuss, the *brick wall* can /move/ and crumple up like a little wimp.
  9. Great... by xinit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now people will be able to sharpen their cellphones and use them as weapons directly, rather than having to use them as only part of the main weapon that is their SUV...

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  10. Re:Cars by Matthaeus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cars don't withstand head-on collisions for a reason. They crumple to soften the blow for passengers. Here's why:

    Let's take a 60 mph head-on collision with something massive enough that it doesn't move when the car hits it. Assuming that the car doesn't deform at all, the passengers will have to go from 60 mph to 0 in the distance of about an inch (liberal estimate for seat belt play and expansion).

    'scuse me while I whip this [physics book] out:

    v^2 = v0^2 + 2*a (x - x0)

    Solve for a:

    (v0^2-v^2)/(2*(x-x0))

    v0 = 60 mph -> 26.8224 m/s
    v = 0 mph -> 0 m/s
    x = 0 in -> 0 m
    x0 = i in -> .0254 m

    (26.8224 m/s ^ 2 - 0) / (2*(0 m - .0254 m) = -14162 m/s^2

    (14162 m/s^2) / (9.8 m/s^2) = 1445 G's.

    If you were unlucky enough to be in this car, you wouldn't just die. You would splash. I friend of mine just informed me that the tensile strength of a seatbelt is 15 tons, and a 150 lb person would exert 108 tons on the seatbelt and splash into the dashboard or steering wheel.

    Moral of the story: if they ever do make a car that stiff, don't ever get in it.

  11. 2 in one day... by tapped_spine · · Score: 3, Funny

    Liquid metal and random walkers in one day... kinda like Terminator2? or maybe Cartman's trapper keeper...

  12. Re:Weight savings... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It might be useful for structural parts of a subsonic airliner that is not near the jet engines, like the fuselage.

    Hmmm--imagine a 777 weighing 10-15% less than now--we could get a lot more range out of a 777.

  13. So, try this idea out: by Fixer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A Foundry in every kitchen combined with this new metal which can be formed and cast at low tempratures.

    So, I can now make highly accurate metal parts in my home with zero machining or finishing stages.

    Combine that with a computer controlled mill to make the wax images for the ceramic molds, and I can now build anything that the properties of the metal will support.

    Technology kicks so much ass. And marketing-speak sucks donkey nuts.. what ARE the properties of this metal? How thick does it have to be to be used as a gun-barrel? Rigidity? mmm.. sigh.

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  14. Actually tested this stuff out by Alceste · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't going to replace structural metals any time soon. How do I know? I did dynamic planar compressive strain experiments and ABAQUS on this stuff and composites with this as the matrix for my senior thesis.

    Being a metallic glass, it has all sorts of crazy properites, as mentioned in the articles, but when it reaches the yeild strength it shatters (at least in non-composite form).

    Also, because it is a metallic glass, it is inherently a meta-stable solid.... metals usually have relatively simple crystal structures, and thusly crystalize quickly with relatively small undercooling. The clever trick with this stuff is that it's a mix of four or five metallic elements that have a large span of atomic radii (this stuff is Zr-Ni-Cu-Ti-Be, various weightings of each, usually the Ni=Cu=Ti). Anyhow, when it finally does crystallize, whether due to heat, fatigue or constant strain, it forms a pretty complex crystal structure (I don't recall which one offhand) that allows very little motion of dislocations. Thus, it's super brittle when in it's thermodynamically stable state. Moreover, even with this clever alloying, it still requires high cooling rates to avoid crystallization from the melt, and is thusly hard to cast into large ingots.

    Thus, whether it takes too hard an impact (can never be a tooling metal or knife, in pure form) or is under strain for too long (can never ever be a structural metal - too flaw sensitive in pure form and too expensive to process and machine in composite form) it will fail catastrophically.

    Basically, this means it's pretty useless for most applications metals are required for (due to lack of crystal structure it's also a poor heat conductor - sorry overclockers). And because it is opaque, it can't be used for traditional glass applications. Liquid Metal has been around for a while trying to push the golf clubs, for at least three years, more like four or five, so I'm not sure what the sudden attention is for. We ran a back of the evelope calculation in my research group: Say you're on the links, and you mis-strike the ball, and hit a large rock in the ground with a non-composite liquidmetal club... basically you'll shatter the face of the head (only the face is amorphous due to process/cost/strength issues), sending shrapnel flying into your ankle. Yum.

    Still, from a physics perspective, this stuff is really interesting due to its completely artificial nature (you'll never find anything close to this in nature) and odd mechanical properties (it's the metallic version of flubber). Commericially, in bulk form, I'd say they should shy away from structural applications and perhaps try transformers, where the thin film versions of amorphous metals have significant gains over silicon.

  15. So many questions... by BlueFall · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are so many questions being asked here about details... The company website has much more information than this article. Go to the source.

  16. Re:Cars by Skyshadow · · Score: 3
    Yeah, real smart. Now what happens when everyone gets a car made out of this stuff? And you hit another car head on?

    They're called SUVs.

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  17. Um... more info, please. by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    " a new alloy that is stronger than steel and titanium"

    By mass or by volume? Stronger with reguards to tension, compression, or shear? Or some combination?

    Heck, I can think of a building material that is more easily molded than either of those two metals and is actually stronger in many ways. It's called concrete. Just don't try to put it under tension or shear...

  18. Re:Don't let Smith & Wesson get a hold of this by Alceste · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's far too brittle to be a pistol material...
    as a Materials Scientist I flinch when it is said a material is stronger than another simply because strength can be measured in so many ways, and physical strength has components which are often inversely proportinal - e.g. toughness (ability to remain useful through fatigue and past the yeild strength) v.s. hardness.

    this is harder than most metals, and has a higher yield strength, but zero ductility and probably really poor fatigue properties. Imagine a glass pistol... *shivers*

  19. Metglass by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Metallic glasses (trademark MetGlass) were invented over 30 years ago by AlliedSignal researchers and have been used for a wide range of industrial applications since. It is particularly important because of magnetic properties in transformers etc. I was with Allied when they first looked at the razor blade application - the razor companies didn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole because the blades were so durable that you would only need one a year.

    BTW, the original patents have long ago expired so that anyone can work with metallic glasses.

    What this guy did was develop an alloy that could be cooled into parts of thicker cross section than was previously possible.

  20. Field Expedient by rjh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the military, "field expedient" is slang for "ugly hack that works surprisingly well". That said... during WW1 and WW2, the German armed forces didn't have anywhere near enough heavy machineguns to take on tanks. So the infantry made field expedient antitank rifles by taking 8mm ammunition (a very powerful round--at the turn of the century some people used them to hunt elephants), removing the bullet and then reseating the bullet, reversed, so that the blunt face would strike first. It gave the bullet the same effect as a metal die-punch; it punched neat, clean holes in steel.

    Moral of the story: "pointiness" has never been a major issue with armor-piercing ammo. It's all about the sectional density.