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Jerry Falwell Claims Name is Trademarked
GigsVT writes: "The Lynchburg News And Advance of Virginia reports that Rev. Jerry Falwell is seeking a permanant injunction against the holder of www.jerryfalwell.com The catch is that he is arguing that his name is a valuable brand, in effect, he is arguing that he is selling religion. There are also some other interesting tidbits, such as the rules of jurisdiction, based on whether a site is interactive or not. Falwell has also sent lawyers to Geneva to appeal to the WIPO, their requests were denied."
Another Warp one. I find this song particularly relaxing.
Falwell is a bigot, plain and simple. Anyone with a perfunctory knowledge of copyright law knows that libel (which Falwell has engaged in liberally) takes precedence over name copyrights, especially in web domain name cases. The only thing I wonder is, is it possible that he will maintain a web site under another suffix (perhaps .org?)
Thoughts?
I think you meant to post "his" name, not "is" name.
-- Ken Kinder ken@_nospam_kenkinder.com http://kenkinder.com/
And someone also registered jerryfartwell.com
You'd think he'd know all about parody by now, what, but I guess some guys never learn.
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Word Mark LISTEN AMERICA WITH JERRY FALWELL
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Educational entertainment, namely a continuing show about morality, religion, politics, and business distributed over television and audio media. FIRST USE: 19980413. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19980413
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Serial Number 75673875
Filing Date April 2, 1999
Published for Opposition June 13, 2000
Registration Number 2382656
Registration Date September 5, 2000
Owner (REGISTRANT) Liberty Broadcasting Network, Inc. CORPORATION VIRGINIA 3805 Wards Road Lynchburg VIRGINIA 24502
Attorney of Record John W. Hazard, Jr.
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Other Data The name "JERRY FALWELL" identifies a living individual whose consent is of record.
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Cause he never would have licensed the rights to these clowns!
This guy's claims have no merits. This case isn't going anywhere, not even with our over-zealous IP laws.
But don't expect J. Falwell do know that. Remember, this is the same guy that thinks the purple teletubby is gay. What an idiot.
Lets examine his ridiculous claims one by one.
Yea, sure. Nice try Reverend crack pot. Firstly, trademark claims are weak when there's no commercial element involved. This site is non-commercial. Secondly, using a trademarked is not in itself a violation. Certainly, using a trademarked word/name to criticize the trademark, its owner, or its associated product is never a violation.
Here, he's referring to the instance where Cohn said Falwell is the third false prophet forseen in the bible, and where he compared Fallwell to Koresh and Jones. This is not libelous. Libel has to deal with falsely claiming factual matters, not matters of opinion. No matter which way its stated, saying "Falwell is a false prophet," "Falwell is the anti-christ," or "Falwell is Satan," is a matter of opinion because its neither provable nor unprovable; thus, it is an opinion, and cannot be touched by libel. Furthermore, any statements made cannot be touched by libel if qualified with "I think".
Furthermore, we should note that Cohn is only doing to Falwell what Falwell has done so often to homosexuals and others who don't fit into his conception of "pious people". Falwell is hardly in a position to complain about being demonized.
How exactly is this Cohn competing with Falwell? He's not. Even if he were, how would this be unfair? After all, he's not pretending to be Fallwell; he's not being mis-representative.
What a crock of shit. Cybersquatting is where you register a domain name just to make money off of it from someone else who has an interest in that name. This is obviously not the case here, as Cohn is actually using this site, and going to court to ensure he keeps it. If he was a cyber-squatter, he would have sold it to Falwell a long time ago.
Now that we've dismissed Falwell's absurd legal claims, lets make fun of him a little bit.
Trips to Israel for profit? Gee, a real holy guy. Remember in the bible something about it being harder to stuff a camel's ass through the eye of a needle than getting a rich man into heaven?
Promoted credit cards? Are these the kind of credit cards that track for buying "deviant" items and then report this back to Christian Coalition central?
Insurance policies? Like what, if you die blowing up an abortion clinic, your family gets a free get out of hell card?
Long distance services? Hmmm...I don't know about the credability of 1-800-GOD-TALK.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Oh Crap ....
As a (cute) gay nerd, I have to drop my two cents in.
Jerry Falwell is the best thing to ever happen to the gay rights movement. When people who are sitting on the fence see Jerry seething in public, I think it makes them think twice about their own reaction to gay issues. After all, not many 'godly' people can rationally justify hate.
Hate is not a family value.
Can't stand how people like him, who should be so thankful for the freedom of thought and opinion, could shun so many others for having that same freedom.
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http://www.ironfroggy.com/
This man has no real credibility left, outside his ultra-conservative cult. Fortunately for us, domain name resolutions are handled by an ultra-liberal cult. Yay!
Jerry must not be able to handle slander against himself very well. Yet he can dish it out against minorities and homosexuals. Tough shit on him I say.
No sig for you!!
This is an old story though, and a lot more media can be found in google.
I have a get-rich-quick plan: copyright your name, streak the Superbowl, get caught on purpose, and sue all the newspapers that use your name without permission when they report the story.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Jesus Christ is suing Jerry Faldwell for trademark violation. Counsel for the plaintiff say that Mr. Faldwell benefiting from what has become a valuable name. The defendent so far has refused to comment.
Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. - Yoda
Isn't there already a legal precedent that specifically allows one to make fun of Jerry Falwell?
If you don't have anything nice to say, shut up you stupid prick.
all your jerry falwell are belong to us
you are on the wave of destruction
send me 100 dollars or die
I am EXCITED!!!
He has to squeeze every dime he can to pay for his whores somehow, now, doesn't he?
I should have picked out the nickname Demosthenes!Tecumseh.
A win for common sense and free speech.
http://www.internetparodies.org/FalwellDecision
I noticed that at the end of "Gods and Monsters", Boris Karloff's name had a (tm) beside it.. i wonder if this has some sort of precedent behind it?
The inner workings of the undocumented pwdencrypt() hash function in mysql have been revealed in a paper by security researcher David Litchfield of Next Generation Security Software (NGSS).
pwdencrypt() creates the user's password hash, which is stored in the main database. Litchfield begins by observing that when it's applied to the same input (foo), it will produce different hashes at different times, from which he reckons, assuming the worst, that the salt must be time sensitive in some way. Salting is normally done to prevent collisions and to strengthen hashes against dictionary attacks.
In other words, if a hash weren't salted, it would be easy to encrypt dictionary words using numerous hash functions and run the hashes against ones found in someone else's pass file. Obviously, the less we can determine about how the salt is generated, the stronger the hash becomes.
Unfortunately, we now know from Litchfield's simple experiment that mysql is using some manner of time-dependent scheme for salt generation. That's more than we ought to know, as we'll see.
His next observation is that the time function does not result in a truly random number, which is further bad news.
"The time () C function is called and used as a seed passed to the srand() function. srand() sets a start point to be used for producing a series of (pseudo) random numbers. Once srand is seeded the rand() function is called to produce a pseudo random number. This number is an integer; however mysql converts this to a short and sets it aside. Let's call this number SN1. The rand() function is called again producing another pseudo random integer which, again, is converted into a short. Let's call this number SN2. SN1 and SN2 are joined to produce an integer SN1:SN2 to produce a salt. This salt is then used to obscure the password."
The user's password is converted to unicode with the salt tacked on the end, and this is used to produce a hash with SHA. The same salt is added to the password when a user attempts to log in, and the resulting hash is compared to the one on record. If they match, access is granted.
Unfortunately, Litchfield says, "the password is then converted to its upper case form, the [same] salt tacked onto the end and another SHA hash is produced."
The hash is produced twice, against the case-sensitive password and again against the uppercase form. The uppercase 'version' is obviously a good deal easier to crack; and once we know it, finding the case-sensitive version is child's play. Indeed, there's little point in using case-sensitive passwords on your system if the crypto scheme is going to create hashes from the uppercase version, using the same salt, and then store them. Case-sensitive passwords are an improvement only so long as we're kept in the dark about their uppercase companions.
So with that in mind Litchfield ends his paper with a little command-line app which will run a dictionary attack to find the uppercase password for you. The rest of it, any fool can handle.
Thus open source fails again.
may the government tax it? Here I thought the spirit of religion was a humble love of mankind. I say grant the injunction but tax the bastard to hell and back.
How are things in the civilized world? You probably don't know who I am. That's
;).
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okay. I'm here to inform you of my mission, what I've found, and what I hope to
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lot of poor people, UCFPKF is needed.
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SCO Xenix: The Unix of Tomorrow.
Janet Milman
Network Administrator, UCFPKF
Afghanistan base
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If a new musician's birthname is Mick Jagger, they have every right to release an album under that name and own the domain. Same applies here and that damn Peter Frampton case last year.
I don't care how damn important or popular you think you are, you don't OWN the rights to your name.
Appeal to WIPO? I thought he wanked himself to death a year ago. Why would he care anyway? He'd probably just take a dump on Falwell's head and post about it on Slashdot.
...PFLAG is trademarking the words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" so they can sue Jerry Falwell the next time he tries to blame random ills of society on people who prefer same-sex companions.
Personally, I think Jerry should be able to own his name-- we can still refer to him as "that bible-thumping asshole" and be fairly certain people will know who we're talking about.
Common Rev, you teach us about love, forgivness, and honoring your common man. But this case is complete crap. Didn't it say in the bible to "turn the other cheek"? You wonder why people stopped going to church and trusting their religious leaders because they dont practice what they preach. Common Rev, think about "what would Jesus do?" I bet he has more sites hating him and making fun of him than you do. Do you think he would sue?
Who's this Jerry Falwell character? His name must not be that big of a trademarkable string if no one's heard of him. I think I'll trademark "John Smith".
Billy Joel has trademarked his name, too.
http://www.turnstiles.org/News/arc0-1998.html
[i]The catch is that he is arguing that his name is a [b]valuable[/b] brand...[/i]
If that's true,then I'm retiring on Enron stock.
Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
He is not above anyone else. Who did he kill? Who did he rape? Do any of you trolls have any moral fiber? Much of what Mr. Jerry Falwell is true. I've read and observed much of his studies and they are arguable and much of his studies is raw material.
Yes, I was at Disney World when the illustrious "Gay Day" was in action. "Gay Day" was somthing I didn't want to remeber when I left Florida. Sure, I was interested in collection "Reticulate Toads" from Epicott Center, and rummaging through the think forest and brush areas for Anoles and Skinks, however my travel agent was unaware "Gay Day" was prescribed durring my visit. After some research, I discovered that Michael Eisner allowed the event. I don't care what "homosexuals" do just as long as I'm not included and nobody's Constitutional rights are being violated (no pun intended).
What else has Mr. Jerry Falwell been criticized for? Ahh yes, the Teletubbies... Yes, we all have our wild hypotheses... Jerry's isn't off by far on his Teletubby poopoo. He doesn't like the show because 1) The purple, yes, official maculine-man-hated color purple, 2) the teletubby in question is in-deed wearing a purple jumpsuit, 3) the teletubby in question has a deep, masculine male voice, and 4) the named teletubby I care not to release his/hisser's stage name, is carrying a woman's purse and moves, bobs, weaves, and dodges my Quake3:Arena BFG Blasts like a big girl dyke in a bar of burrly women dancing in tripplets to a jukebox pounding out Melissa Ethridge music. Truthfully, Falwell may have offended many children with his comments on the purple teletubby, but his comments are understood due to past incidents of cartoonists and actors having half hidden/half baked ideas put into their "art".
So, we know Falwell doesn't like Disneyland, and who can't blame him for hosting a "Gay Day" and the cartoonists hiding pornography in children-rated movies.
So, we know Falwell doesn't like the Teletubby show because the Purple Teletubby appears to be a cross-dressing man.
And now his latest comment of which he stated..."[God blew up the twin towers for the sins of homosexuals]". I can honestly say that he doesn't sound like himself on this one. I think he was taken out of context... He should have sounded somewhat like... "[God indirectly punishes us for our sins, no matter how many buildings of dishonest government workers he must plow through]." I think that sounds a little better, but let me improve..."[The United States of America are beyond the status of the Cities of Sodom and Gamorah and are due for a fragfest from above]." Yeah, I'm getting it! But wait, what has Jerry done so far? Oh my goodness! No matter how much pen to paper he establishes, Reverond Jerry Falwell has killed nobody, has raped no individual and person, and if no less he is not helping out his fellow gentiles.
Said and Done. Welcome aboard, Jerry, to the Sinner's barge. Repentance is just a good ways up-stream. It's an honor to have you with us. Say, that's a fancy watch.
without prejudice
fartwell wants us ded like hitler killed the j3ws
fartwell is a batman fan i think he is.
i speak for everyone that hate falwell.
i am gay and i desicrate batman and robin because they wer heters and i make them homos like me so i can hate falwell cuz i can. everyone and me hate falwell and wer all homos. thankyou god for making homos. i think there is no god and i am a homo.
I don't get it. How does getting thrown in jail and then losing a whole bunch of money on legal cases because you're an idiot who doesn't know the difference between trademarks and copyright make you rich?
The catch is that he is arguing that his name is a valuable brand, in effect, he is arguing that he is selling religion.
That's exactly what they do, don't be so naive. Ask any CPA if religious institutions are truly non-profit organizations.