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Gnome 2.0 on Ximian Installations?
DavonZ asks: "Like many Linux users, I have installed Ximian's Gnome desktop. The biggest issue is that Ximian is still based on Gnome 1.4. With the release of Gnome 2.0, many users have looked into upgrading Ximian to Gnome 2.0, but there are different approaches to this. One, the 2.0 Developement Snapshot available in RedCarpet. Another, the Ximian RPM's that are available via the Gnome.org web pages. Has anyone used either approach? Which is the most stable? Which will allow RedCarpet to upgrade to Ximian's Gnome 2.0, when it becomes available?"
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when instead you can spend 3 days compiling Gnome 2.0 by hand?
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Kids these days - no work ethic.
Why don't you just be patient, and wait for Ximian to do their own thing in their own time. Unlike the Gnome Foundation who offers their software 'as is', Ximian tests all of the software, to make sure that it runs as stated, and they also make sure that it is easy to install. This means they ship it with all required libraries, pre-compiled for your flavor of *nix.
If you are so impatient to try it out, why not try Garnome? Garnome is a relatively easy way to install the stock Gnome 2 distribution from the source files. Unfortunately, you do have to find some obscure libraries (sp? sgml-data? DocBook?) before it will install, and it will take several hours to compile.
If you want Ximian's version of Gnome, you are just going to have to be patient and wait for them to put their unique finishing touches on it. If 1.4 was any indication, we could be waiting a month or more. And if 1.2-->1.4 upgrade path was any indication, you will have to install fresh as red carpet will not be able to handle an upgrade of this sort.
I haven't lost my mind!
It is backed up on disk...somewhere...
I seem to remember a bit on the mailing list about Ximian releasing their stuff using Gnome2.0 "when it was ready", which isn't now. The 'unstable' Gnome2 channel is survivable, but I find stuff regularly doesn't work, at least when I was mucking with it around the initial 2.0 release.
You can also try Garnome (auto builds from sources) - which seems to be quite stable. It is actually quite easy to build, as it has only a few dependancies that it doesn't automagically resolve and download.
Or, you could wait for 2.0 to stabalize a bit (I don't use it on production machines). This is probably your best bet, as there are not many apps ported to the new APIs. Gnome2 is cool - but wait until the paint dries to put it into production ;-)
BTW - kudos to the Gnome2 team(s)!
mx
I have a friend who installed the snapshots without too much trouble. He says it runs great.
With RH 7.4 in beta now, ximian needs to get in gear.
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Unix is very user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.
Seriously, If you have the Ximian desktop, then wait. The whole point of that desktop is that it's integrated to 'their' standard, which rests upon the 'standard' of Gnome2. If you're running Ximian, then I'd advise a wait. Contact them to get an idea of timeframe for it's release.
Otherwise, I'd recommend checking out the Garnome project. It's bleeding edge, but it does allow you to compile Gnome for yourself. If you consider yourself more than a newbie (or an aspiring l33t linuxer), then you can have Gnome2 running at the best speeds for *your* machine.
I suppose the thing to remember is that Ximian Desktop is NOT Gnome2, so if Ximian is what you're aiming for, then wait.
Robert Anton Wilson
There are actually pretty good Debian packages already (they work well on my system, at least).
:)
Red Carpet is a distro band-aid
A few weeks had passed. School was about normal and home life was the same as usual. Tammy still liked wetting her pants and I of course was still a baby in diapers. It was the week before Easter. We had off of school for Good Friday. I came into the kitchen and put my backpack down and walked into the living room to find mommy folding some clothes. "Hi sweetie, how was your day at school?" "It was good cuz me no have to go to school no more until Monday!" "Aww well you know what this weekend is right?" "Yeppers! Easter!" "Yep that's right." She continued to fold some clothes as I went to my room to get a toy to play with. I came back out and sat down on the floor and was playing. "Honey?" "Yes mommy?" "Um, how's your diaper, do you need a change yet?" "I will in a couple minutes. " said as I turned my head and grinned at her. "One or Two honey?" I blushed. "it's a surprise." "oh you silly, you're always full of surprises, or should I say, your diapers are always full of surprises." We both laughed.
Finally about a half hour alter while mommy was cooking dinner I had to go poo so I squirmed around in my dipees until I was very yucky and then I called my mommy. "Oh honey, what did you do in your didees? Tell mommy?" "You know." I blushed. "Yes I do, but you have to tell me before I change you." "mommy!" "come on sweetie what kinda messy are, one or two?" my cheeks were bright red. "I went.. poopoo! Mommy!" "So which one is that, one or two?" "mommy! You know what one it is, why are you being such a silly today?" "Cuz I feel like it." "ok fine, I went number two in my diapers cuz I'm a baby, so change me ok?" "oh ok deer, let's go to your room and change you."
I laid on my changing table as mommy wiped my cute lil hiney and powdered me and put a nice clean didee on me. She hugged me and patted my tushie and then she breast fed me and I fell asleep so she laid me on the couch. Later on Tammy came home and got me up. Soon we had dinner. Dad had finished the little elevator on the tree house a week ago and it was so cool. We even had a little porch up on the front of it. It was every kid's dream tree house! And it was mine!
Tammy bathed me and put me to bed. I was so glad the Easter Bunny was coming to see me. I had been a pretty good girl, for the most part. But I also was excited because Jesus died and rose again and that's why we're able to be saved! So I really was looking forward to this Easter more then any other year because this was my first Easter being saved, and being a baby for that matter. Saturday I spent most of my day playing with Laura. Emily was out of town visiting Stephanie and her parents for Easter.
Later on Laura had to go home and I came in and mom and dad had to go somewhere. Daddy had gotten a waver for his house arrest to attend a funeral of a close friend of his. I thought it was nice that they let him bend the rules a little bit. Tammy was also going with them, but I didn't know that until mom called me into her room as they were finishing getting ready to go.
"Honey we won't be home till late, so we got a baby sitter for you." "But mommy, daddy can't go!" "Yes, the court gave him a waver and he is able to go to his friend's funeral." "Yah, but that's sad, I sowwy daddy fwend died." "Oh it's ok, he was a believer in Jesus, and so he's in heaven this Easter! Thank God for his resurrection power. We too will one day be resurrected from this life into our glorified bodies and we will be in Heaven with Jesus." "Yeppers, me can't wait, well sort of, I mean I don't wanna go right now." We both laughed.
I asked a few more questions about who the baby sitter was and if she would be ok with changing diapers for a nine year old. Mom said that she had already discussed this with her and she thought it was cute and would treat me just like a baby. I was very happy to hear that.
The doorbell rang a couple minutes later and mom answered it. "Oh Hi, you must be Teala, right?" "Yes, I sure am." She said as she smiled. "Come on in honey." Mom closed the door behind her. "Tiffany!" she called from the living room. I shyly came out from my room. I was standing in the hall, in my babyish clothing and sucking my thumb as I stared at mommy and the baby sitter standing in the living room.
"Aww she's such a cutie." Teala said with a smile. She knelt down and beckoned for me to come to her. I slowly started to walk toward her. When I stood in front of her she reached forward and picked me up. "Wow you're a big baby girl, aren't you?" "I blushed and was sort of shy." "Aww baby shy?" I nodded. About this time everyone was ready and they all said goodbye and mom reminded Teala about my bedtime and some other details. They all said bye and walked out the door.
Teala carried me over to the couch and sat down next to me. "So what kind of fun stuff do you wanna do?" "I don't know." "Hmm.. Is there anything on TV you wanna watch?" I shook my head no. "OH, I know, show me your room." "Otay." I slid off the couch and waddled down the hall with Teala close behind me and turned in the door to my room. "WOW! What an awesome room you have! You're such a lucky lil baby!" I proceeded to show her some of my toys and other stuff I had.
"Oh I know, I wanna show you my tree house!" "Well it's getting dark outside, so maybe we shouldn't go out there." "no, it not to dark, I have light in my tree house too." "oh ok, then let's go see it before it gets more darker." I looked at her puzzled for a moment. "More darker?" I giggled. "Oh you silly baby." Teala laughed when she realized what she had said and that I had noticed it too.
We got out to the tree house and I climbed up and ten I told Teala to get on the elevator thingy and I pulled her up. It was easy to pull people up because the rope was on a pulley system that made it work a lot easier. "My daddy made this all by himself." I proudly proclaimed as I stood in the middle of my tree house and let her look at everything. "Wow, you're daddy is so cool!" Teala was amazed at how good the tree house was built. Later on she took me back in and we played candy land together. I hadn't played it in a few weeks so I was glad Teala played with me.
When we finished playing I helped her put the peaces away. "Honey I gotta go potty, ill be back in a couple minutes ok?" "Otay. I will put the game away and find another toy to play with for when you get back, otay?" "Good that'll be great." Teala went into the bathroom. I new she had to go number two cuz I didn't hear her tinkle when I walked by the bathroom going to my room and she was in for about 10 minutes or so. But, she wasn't the only one going poo. I was laying on the floor on my back in my room making a big messy in my didees.
I heard the toilet flush and the sink running then Teala came out and called for me. I waddled out of my room into the hall and she must have noticed I was loaded cuz I was waddling big time. "Oh honey, um, you, are you, um, did you do something in your diapers? You look loaded!" I blushed. "oh baby come here, let me check you ok?" "oh my goodness, someone's got a lumpy bumpy bottom heheehehe." She giggled. I started to cry, not because my diaper was loaded and not because she hurt my feelings by laughing at me, but because for the first time in a long time I felt embarrassed about being in a poopy diaper.
It must have been because Teala was someone I didn't know as well yet, and, she hadn't ever changed me before either. I was nervous and shy about the whole thing. I cried like a baby, really, without control. "oh Sweetie, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you cry. Come here baby." She picked me up and patted my bottom and took my into my room. She put me on the changing table and took down my diaper. "Wow honey, you really did a messy poopy didi huh?" I nodded. "But it's ok, you know why?" "Why?" "Cuz I'm gonna change you and wipe your little bottom and put lots of powder on you and make you feel all nice and comfy-wumfy like a cute lil baby!" She proceeded to change me and she held me and rocked me. I started to feel better and I got very relaxed in her arms.
She held me in her lap while she sat on the couch. Even though it was past my bed time, she just held me and hummed lullabies to me and patted my tushie and rubbed my back. Without really thinking about it I put my hand on her breast and pushed on her and then I realized that it wasn't my mommy! I had gotten so lost in being comforted by Teala, that I had forgotten who was holding me. "Honey! What are you doing? Those are my boobies you silly baby!" Teala said and I could tell she was sort of shocked that I had done that. She paused a second. "oh wait a minute, I get it, baby is hungry? Is baby hungry? I nodded. Well let's go see if mommy has a bottle for you in the kitchen ok?" I nodded. The only bottle that had something in it was juice but I told her I wanted milk. We were out! Usually this didn't matter since mommy breast fed me most of the time anyway.
"So does your mommy let you breast feed?" I was caught off guard by that question. We were now at the table and I was having my juice and some animal crackers. "Um, Well, uh." "oh it's ok baby, I think it's quite cute actually, and if I had breast milk, I would feed you myself. She smiled and patted me on the head. "Be right back, gotta go potty again." Before I even thought about it, the words just jumped right out of my mouth "One or Two?" I asked. Then I became aware of how awkward it felt to ask someone that, I remember how mommy was just playing around with me the other day but it felt weird asking her but it was to late. "Huh? What did you say?" She turned to look at me. "Um, nothing." "No, you asked me something but, what was it?" I was really blushing. She came back and sat down and looked at me. "Ya gonna tell me or what?" "I thought you had to go to the bathroom?" "Yeah, but I wanna know what you asked me?" "No." "Oh come on, please?" I was really red in the face and she smiled at me. "I'm gonna tickle you until you tell me then. "No! NO tickles! Ok I tell you." I said as she was about to tickle me.
"I asked you if you had to go number one or number two?" "Oh." She started to blush. "um, why did you ask me that?" "I don't know it just sort of popped out of my mouth before I thought about it. I'm sorry." "OH no, it's ok. It's just not every day someone asks me if I gotta go one or two. But, just for your information, I gotta go number one. I did number two earlier." She blushed. "I cant' believe I just told you that, so I guess we're both embarrassed now, so we'll call it even, ok?" "Otay." She got up and went to go tinkle.
Finally she got me ready for bed and read me a story and tucked me in. A while later I heard my parents and Tammy come home. I pretended to be asleep though, because I didn't want them to know Teala let me stay up. As mom came in to check on me I was real still and held my breath. She tickled my feet and I started to laugh. "MOMMY!" "Hi sweetie. I knew you weren't asleep you silly goose." "Yes me was! Until you tickled me." "Sure you were, just remember the Easter bunny wont come if you stay up to late." She leaned over the side of my crib and gave me a kiss. As she was leaving Tammy came in since she saw that I was awake. She said goodnight and gave me a kiss. Daddy was a little bit sad so he didn't really talk much that whole day so he didn't even come in to say goodnight but it was ok.
The next morning Tammy was nudging me to wake me up. "Hey, tinkle diaper baby, wake up! It's Easter, and the Easter Bunny is out in the living room waiting for you!" She tickled me and I started to laugh and playfully hit her and push her away. She picked me up and changed my wet diaper. She had already checked me before she woke me up. I must have really been sleepy to not wake up.
We went out to the living room and on the floor by the couch there were 4 Easter baskets! I marveled at them all. Then Tammy pointed to the door. "Look, the Easter Bunny was just here, he must have just left." As I looked my eyes lit up. There were white fluffy foot prints of where the Easter Bunny had left! "WOW!!!!!!!!!!" I said really loud.
Mom and dad came out and were rubbing there eyes and yawning and then when they saw the foot prints of the Easter Bunny they acted very surprised. "Wow, the Easter Bunny came to see you didn't he Tiffy?" "Yes he did!" I jumped up and down and smiled and was so happy!
Tammy and I looked through our huge Easter baskets and as usual we traded some candy so that we would both have all the stuff we wanted. I even snuck a piece of daddy's favorite candy out of his basket. It was my favorite too! But later on I felt bad about it so after we got home from church and we were all changing clothes to go on our Easter egg hunt, I took one of my pieces of candy and put it back in daddy's basket. Tammy saw me and she said, "OH I see you took daddy's candy!" "Shhh! I put it back!" "You are so silly." She turned and walked into the kitchen and got a drink and then we all went out in the yard.
Mommy handed me a basket and daddy was taking all kinds of pictures. They watched me hunting for Easter eggs in the back yard. Tammy was a little to old for this, at least that's what she said. But she would fallow me around and try to see if she could find an egg. When she would see one, she would tell me that she saw one. Then when I asked where it was she would lead me in the wrong direction. Finally I caught on to her little trick and stopped listening to her.
Finally all the eggs were found and we went inside. I had a soaked diaper by this time so mommy changed me. Laura came over alter on that afternoon and we played together. And kept sneaking candy out of my Easter basket. When it was dinner time neither of us were hungry. Mom knew what we had been up to. "You girls have been eating candy, haven't you?" We both nodded. "Well, I don't know what I'm gonna do with you two."
Laura, Tammy, Mommy and I went to evening service and the sermon was so awesome. I had enjoyed the morning one too, but this one was more better, as Teala would have said. It was about the true meaning of Easter and how Jesus was risen and we were all set free from sin and death and could live a victorious life through the power of Jesus. I thought it was just so awesome, how Jesus, gave his life, and suffered, and did it all for each one of us. I am so glad that the Jesus of 2000 years ago is just as real today. He's made such a difference in my life and even my family and friends lives. I hope that if any of you do not know Jesus, that you will get to know him. He's the best friend I've ever had, even more than Emily and Laura. He's a forever friend. I hope you will get to know him. Well, Happy Easter.
With RH 7.4 in beta now, ximian needs to get in gear.
:)
Ximian should NOT release Gnome just to beat RH7.4 to the finish line. They should release when the product is ready. Initial reports show that Gnome2.0 is almost ready, but still has a few issues to work out.
Plus, I run Ximian Gnome on Solaris, which means that I'll probably get it a month after all you RedHat Weenies^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers , so I need to be EXTRA patient
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
and install it from ports, simple enough eh?
It'll even magically find all of those evil lib dependancies for you..
I'm currently running the Ximian GNOME2 snaps, and they are working fine and dandy. (Except for official Galeon2 support, but it'll come) But as far as I believe, the GNOME2 Ximian RPM's on the GNOME project homepage are the exact same as the ones through Red Carpet.
Still though, it's working fine, it's nice and snappy, and there's a lot less bugs than there were when I used Garnome for the GNOME 2.0 final, oddly enough.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
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I like poop!
I've been testing out RedHat's new beta name "Limbo." It comes with Gnome 2.0 (which I must say looks wonderful). However, most of the Gnome apps are still based on 1.4, which means you get some really horribly looking GUI's as the two versions mingle. In some cases, they just don't work (Evolution in Gnome 2.0 can be buggy, at least that's my experience).
:)
Now perhaps a lot of what I'm experiencing is just from the beta aspect of RedHat Limbo, but I would suggest (as other posters have) waiting until Ximian comes out with a full Gnome 2.0 based Desktop, especially if this will be on your production workstation/desktop. I know waiting is difficult when you've got wonderful new versions out there, but unless you plan on joining the party and testing/debugging/coding, I would wait a bit.
On that same line of thought though, if you want to see a final product sooner, then try upgrading to Gnome 2.0 on something other than your production machine and help out with any bug fixes. That's the way these projects work, right?
Who said Freedom was Fair?
What's your distribution? I can see the channel in RH 7.2 and RH 7.3.
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