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China: the New Global High-Tech Power

Andy Tai writes "This three-part news.com special report shows how mainland China has become the focus of high tech business opportunities during the global recession. The article compares today's China to 19th Century America as "a booming nation starved for products and driven by a new generation of entrepreneurs", points out China's "sheer numbers and ambitious work ethic are producing thousands of engineers--and U.S. companies are recruiting the best of them," and concludes "that this may eventually be known as China's high-tech century. " Another good article looking at China's rise as a global power can be found here."

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  1. China's high-tech *century*? by electricmonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't their culture spend several thousands of years as the most advanced on Earth?

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  2. Get with the Times Already by Moonchen · · Score: 4, Informative

    I cannot believe that the parent to this post was modded up. Some of the above points are valid concerns, but others are problems of the past.

    Of course, every time there is talk about China, someone has to bring up something about Human Rights. But give me a break, clean water? food? China has gotten past that stage a long time ago. Right now overnutrition and obesity troubles much of the population. As for the judicial system, fairness is a matter of opinion. In China, criminals are punished more severely than in the US. Corruption in the governance is a problem in China, but the same problem exists in every country. The USA, for example, is a prime source of governmental scandals. China is working on a more efficient education system as we speak. The problem with education lies in overpopulation. Think about it, China has more than four times the population of America, andd merely building more schools will not be able to solve the problem overnight. The curriculum in Chinese primary and secondary schools includes a much more in depth understanding of subjects such as math and science than that of American schools.

    I guess my point is that although China's fundations are not yet perfect, it is getting better at a faster rate than any other country.

    1. Re:Get with the Times Already by mesocyclone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China is rife with corruption, compared to the US. It is inevitable that a country without a free press, without a *transparent* judiciary and decidion making process, and without guarantees of free speech and due process will suffer from corruption.

      China can best be described today as a fascist country, with the state and big industry inextricably intertwined. It has a secret police (gestapo equivalent) which has wide reaching powers. Individuals who are critical can find themselves executed and their organs harvested for use by those in power. The government is undemocratic and power succession is typical of these regimes... it is shrouded in secrecy.

      Until China develops modern government, with respect for human rights including free speech and property rights, enforced by a minimally corrupt judicial system, and watched over by a free press, it is doomed to the fate of all such systems... increasing corruption, militancy and aggressive foreign policy, and poor economic performance.

      Capitalism, in many variants, has been proven to be the most efficient economic system yet tried. Capitalism requires property rights; it requires a low level of corruption; it requires transparency; it requires freedom.

      China is experimenting with state controlled capitalism - i.e. fascism - as opposed to its own total command economy. It is doomed to ultimately fail as an economic system as long as unelected officials can arbitrarily change the rules to their personal enrichment, backed by the power of a police state.

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    2. Re:Get with the Times Already by encino · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ohmigosh! Where to start?!?! Most of China consists of rice farmers in abject poverty! Only people in or near the larger cities "suffer" from overnutrition as you say. The country is *not* in good shape *at all* in terms of infrastructure as you claim. China is also the worst polluter in the world (much *much* worse than the U.S.). Everyone yells at America for not signing Kyoto, but it's China that burns enough coal to choke out the Sun, and the government doesn't give a rip. Not to mention the complete control of news and media by the state (Xinhua, anyone?). Yeah, I hear that makes for a highly informed and enlightened population able to make informed and educated decisions about things. And lord help you if you believe in some sort of God that is superior to the State! Or if you're a non-violent Tibetan monk! Look out!

  3. A bit of (non)fiction by cptgrudge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Envision this scenario:

    China, over the next 40 or 50 years, becomes an enormous economic juggernaut. With cheap labor, high tech industry, and a huge population, China begins to develop most of the world's goods for dirt cheap prices. World consumer choice is at an all time high.

    Because of the political system in place within the country, the average standard of living doesn't increase significantly.

    People are not stupid. The Chinese people will see how the majority are not benefiting from the economic prosperity and attempt to change the political system. The government in place will put down initial unrest, but a civil war could occur the likes of which we have never seen in the world. The world economy that has come to depend on the Chinese government for goods.

    With the ensuing economic collapse of China during the civil war, the world is plunged into a depression comparable to the late 1920's and early 1930's. The US Federal Reserve could not handle the removal of a huge portion of the world economy from the picture.

    Following the civil war, a democratic government is created in China, and the economy becomes similar to many western countries, with a higher standard of living and increased wages. The economic playing field is now leveled.

    Either that, or everybody nukes everybody. Whatever happens, I'll be dead by then. Oh well.

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  4. continued US predominance uncertain by g4dget · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The US came into its current position of power through historical accident. Its rich resources, secure food supply, and geographic isolation allowed the US to become an influential power in WWII. Afterwards, it filled the power vacuum that was left by the self-destruction of Europe, and it managed to attract huge numbers of skilled immigrants from the rubble of Europe, which helped the US achieve technological and scientific predominance.

    There is no reason to believe that this is inevitably a long-term state. The US is a mid-size country (by population), and food, geographic isolation, and natural resources are becoming less and less important. And other countries are becoming as attractive as the US for skilled international workers.

    If the US continues to have a leadership role, it will be because it earns it. But that means that US politicians have to give up on their assumption that US predominance is a right that Americans are born with. Isolationist policies like those we have seen over the last few years will likely simply make the US less and less relevant to international affairs.

  5. Re:China is lo-tech by Peahippo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A "high-tech economy" is just a nebulous thing out there in the world, and we're not supposed to think about how it comes about. The capitalist class only knows how to make stuff, to sell stuff, to keep all the proceeds, and to slough off all the expenses of the enterprise upon the public. When you spend your time privatizing profits while socializing your expenses, you are waaaaaay too busy to deal with irrelevant items like: "Gee, who will buy our stuff, the guys we laid off in America, or the guys we underpay in China?"

    Having so stated my assumption, now I just gotta respond to your points under its perverse and wicked influence:

    access to energy

    Yes, this is pretty essential -- to production, of course (who cares what the customer does with the damned thing after the sale is made?). I wonder if local generation in China is being explored? -- it's an idea being toyed with in America.

    fair judicial system

    What the hell does that matter? Your factory is setup with Chinese "partners" who will inevitably be a part of whatever local government and "law enforcement" that exists. If shoes and clothing can be produced by a class of people with no recourse to "fair" judgment, then so can many other things that are produced by assembly line.

    clean water

    What the hell does that matter? People filter water in America; just filter in what you need in China. Whatever the workers drink is their own problem.

    enough food for its people

    What the hell does that matter? There will be plenty more Chinese coming in from the rural areas to get the chance to work in your factory for money, which they imagine will help lift them out of poverty and possible starvation. It won't, of course, but people have always shown hope in that regard since the Industrial Revolution.

    uncorrupt governance

    This is probably a factor, but a minor one at that. Bribery is just another line item in your budget. After all, this the standard way that the oil business is conducted.

    educated people

    What the hell does that matter? Your cheap labor is ideal for Taylorist work arrangements. And any cheap labor that you feel the need to educate for specific reasons (hey we need an electrical engineer for this factory), simply can be educated and returned to China at a cheaper cost than hiring a First World skilled person. Education is highly overrated; craftsman skills themselves have been long obsoleted by factories.

    freedom of expression

    Ju-das Priest, where do you get these silly ideas anyway? The shoes and clothes you are now wearing have in all probability been produced by people who do without hope, disposable income, fresh air, nourishing food, and job security. Freedom of expression is just another opportunity for the workers to make trouble for the capitalist class that owns the methods of manufacture. Since it is not only unnecessary but harmful to the process of maximizing profits, it must be absent.

    (Thank you for your attention. I had as good a time responding to your posting as I can ever have with my clothes on.)

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  6. Re:Right, that's why Mexico dominates North Americ by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I disagree. Big Business wants tight governmental control over the people so their toes aren't stepped on, and loose control over themselves, so they can do what they please. This means that with the money they're making, they can afford to set governmental policy through bribery (even more easily than in North America) and the people, who are unable to assemble or speak out about the businesses fucking them over are going to be put to work.

    You don't need people with freedom to have a strong economy. If you chain research scientists to their desks and demand that they work, you can squeeze enough work out of them to make it worth your while.

    And don't forget the lesson of Hitler's Germany. He turned a broken state into a real world power, and he did it without the whole 'freedom' thing. Nazi Fascism isn't any prettier than Communism.

  7. my experience by giampy · · Score: 4, Insightful


    In the university where work as a research assistant, the majority of PhD students are from China and India. Chinese students invariably tend to be the best ones. It seems like by the time they come here they have already done A LOT of practical hitech research in their universities.
    Because of this, (and because most of them don't mind being paid 2k$/month or less) a lot of departments actually prefer to hire Chinese students for tech projects.

    Many of them will go back to China once their studies are over.
    It is also worth considering that for each student that makes it to the US, maybe 100 will stay in China.
    And, as the article says: "Hundreds of universities with strong tech departments have been created."

    Is this enough to say that China is headed towards becoming the place where hi tech is conceived and grown ?
    I think that, IF these government-funded policies will go on, it will be just a matter of time (maybe a couple of generations, maybe less ...).

    And btw, it seems to me that they are very inclined toward the sharing of knowledge and information, ...and files :-)

    giampy

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