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Russia Loses Inflatable Spacecraft

Treeluvinhippy writes: "This article is a little light on details, but it looks like the Russians lost the Demonstrator-2 spacecraft. For those who don't know this craft was the inflatable launched from a submarine. Slashdot has the scoop of the launch right here"

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  1. Uh-oh by e03179 · · Score: 4, Funny

    My car insurance company will never believe me when I tell them that I ran into a Russian space craft.

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    1. Re:Uh-oh by SEWilco · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did your airbag inflate faster than the spacecraft deflated?

    2. Re:Uh-oh by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Maybe next time they'll use something besides helium to inflate it. Woops.

  2. Where was it aimed? by Grip3n · · Score: 4, Funny

    "On Friday, Russia's Ryazan nuclear sub launched Demonstrator-2 on a converted Volna SS-N-18 intercontinental ballistic missile"

    Have they tried looking around the Pentagon to see if it landed there? How about the White House? NORAD perhaps? Sometimes those guys forget to take the target off the defaults you know...

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  3. How much does it cost? by foniksonik · · Score: 2

    I wonder how much they are spending on theses launches? I assume that using an ICBM rocket is probably far cheaper and (with nuclear arms cutbacks - especially in long range specs) far more expendable.

    Still this is probably costing several million in administration and R&D alone.

    Hopefully they are learning a lot and this will aid missions in the future.

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    1. Re:How much does it cost? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
      I wonder how much they are spending on theses launches? I assume that using an ICBM rocket is probably far cheaper and (with nuclear arms cutbacks - especially in long range specs) far more expendable.

      Still this is probably costing several million in administration and R&D alone.

      Probably. Rather less than NASA spent on space shuttle tiles I suspect, although I don't know whether this system could handle a vehicle of the Space Shuttle's weight. Then again, it wouldn't need to weigh as much if it used this system.

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  4. Now all I need is a beach ball by Subcarrier · · Score: 2

    Earlier, Babakin Space Center spokeswoman Lidia Avdeyeva confirmed the landing, but efforts to locate the vehicle so far have failed to bear fruit.

    And now somebody is sporting the coolest inflatable mattress ever! Keep an eye out for it next time you go to the beach.

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  5. Oh well... by MADCOWbeserk · · Score: 2

    Undoubtably if some Russian engineer had remembered to put batteries in the GPS, the mission would have been a "success."

    Losing a spacecraft is bad

  6. They know where it is... by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2

    They are just waiting on Taco Bell to determine the grand prize winner....

    *rimshot*

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  7. Re:"Pull cord to inflate" by MADCOWbeserk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's probably as good as anything else Russia's government has produced in the last 10 years.

    Kinda rude.... Russia has maintained her space program, despite the inability of the government to afford it. We have cut the living shit outta ours also, and Nasa hasn't been having such a great time with it. Mars?

    Russia should be commended for trying a cool idea. reusing ICBM's and creating cheap spacecraft seems like a good idea...Too bad

  8. WTF post by ehiris · · Score: 2

    They can track my stolen vehicle in under a minute but they can't locate a space vehicle!?!?

    "If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly"

    1. Re:WTF post by ehiris · · Score: 2

      What I meant to say was GPS tracking.

  9. Inflatable? by kasperd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This makes me wonder, how would they have prevented it from blowing when it reached the vacuum in outer space?

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  10. Umm, are they serious? by Rhinobird · · Score: 2
    The vehicle, developed jointly by the Babakin Center, the European Space Agency and the German-based Astrium space firm, aims to revolutionize cargo deliveries and transportation of astronauts.
    Demonstrator-2 is small in size -- the folded-up vehicle measures less than 3 feet in diameter making it the most compact space vehicle ever made
    Two previous attempts to launch Demonstrator-2 ended in failures
    Uh...yeah
    • I don't know of any 3 foot astronauts.
    • a 3 for 3 failure rate doesn't instill confidence.
    • There seems to be an awful lot of inflatable women posts tonight
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    1. Re:Umm, are they serious? by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2
      I don't know of any 3 foot astronauts.

      Well, if you sit down and hug your knees, you might fit in. You'd feel a bit like inside a cannon ball, I guess. Anyway, that's just a prototype, they'd probably make a bigger one, once they got the system working.

      a 3 for 3 failure rate doesn't instill confidence.

      That's true, but such a rate is not unusal for new technologies in the field of space exploration.

      There seems to be an awful lot of inflatable women posts tonight

      Yeah, now that you mention it... :)

    2. Re:Umm, are they serious? by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 2

      I don't know of any 3 foot astronauts.

      Demonstrator-2 as in not RealImplementation-1.

      This is obviously still in early development. The first plane wasn't a 747 either and if I recall correctly, NASA didn't start with manned missions either for their prototypes.

    3. Re:Umm, are they serious? by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      If you read the full article you would have found out that it is only 3 feet 'Un-Inflated' and inflates to 13 feet:

      " Demonstrator-2 is small in size -- the folded-up vehicle measures less than 3 feet in diameter making it the most compact space vehicle ever made. However, its ability to inflate two thermo-proof panels it carries to up to 13 feet provides for aerodynamic breaking, which can reduce the craft's speed by nearly a thousand times."

      Add to that the potentially rational conclusion that this may only be used for inorganic/non-sentient payloads and it starts to make more sense.

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  11. Something odd was reported in Roswell NM by infonography · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course details are sketchy.... Nobody is buying the Weather Ballon theory this time.

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  12. Re:$10 says... by foniksonik · · Score: 2

    According to the article:

    "Earlier, Babakin Space Center spokeswoman Lidia Avdeyeva confirmed the landing, but efforts to locate the vehicle so far have failed to bear fruit, TVS reported."

    They may be covering for their short-sightedness, etc though so who knows. I suppose it depends on how high the inflatable re-entry device was released and what sort of protection it had to re-entry forces/temp. I thought of this as a problem with the concept when I first heard about it.

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  13. Knee jerk reaction by theolein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it that every single post on some good idea that does not come from the USA ends up on /. getting trolled and flamebaited to all hell? One would think , or at least hope, that the kind of people who frequent /. would be a little bit more open minded than that.

    Apart from that, I like the idea of this experiment that the Russians are doing. Apart from turning ICBM's into space launchers and having a good way of protecting packages that must return to earth, it seems like it is providing the basic research for Astronaut emergency reentry technology.

    1. Re:Knee jerk reaction by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      "it seems like it is providing the basic research for Astronaut emergency reentry technology."

      I would agree with you if I didn't think that any sort of 'extra-vehicular' (even with these 'escape pods') would seriously be a 'fatally' flawed excercise in futility.

      On the other hand this tech could be used very successfully in future Moon/Mars/other 'in-atmosphere' landings (I'm not confident about the whole high-heat re-entry via invlatable device technique from out of atmosphere orbit).

      Also i don't think this is intended for astronauts or cosmonauts but is intended for robotic probes, etc. which require an unmanned and at least 5 of 9's landing success rate.

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    2. Re:Knee jerk reaction by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
      Why is it that every single post on some good idea that does not come from the USA ends up on /. getting trolled and flamebaited to all hell?

      It's largely because 'America is the best country in the world'. And Americans know this because their government told them so and the gullible fools actually believe it(!) IMO space is not something that America excels at, although they mostly cover it up by spending obscene amounts of money. I mean, any dog can be made to fly if you throw enough money at it- check out the Space Shuttle! It's a reusable space vehicle that was designed to cost less than an expendable vehicle- but it turns out, it didn't, by a long, long, long way; but they continue to run it! OTOH the Russians built a similar vehicle, launched once, then immediately ditched it, because they found it cost too much. Fair enough, you might argue they should have figured that out before they built it, but you only really know that when you've done it. NASA seems to have entirely missed this point.

      One would think, or at least hope, that the kind of people who frequent /. would be a little bit more open minded than that.

      Yes. But I see little evidence.

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    3. Re:Knee jerk reaction by Tardigrade · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't lump everyong into the same bag. Check out *who* is doing the posting. Perhaps they are trolls, perhaps they are a few US chauvanists. Perhaps they are non-USians who happen to dislike Russia. Good God, they are plenty of possible explanations. Do not just jump on the easy anti-American one. Just because there are a few loud-mouths, does not mean everyone is a jerk.

    4. Re:Knee jerk reaction by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
      Also i don't think this is intended for astronauts or cosmonauts but is intended for robotic probes, etc. which require an unmanned and at least 5 of 9's landing success rate.

      I'm sure that that rate has never, ever been achieve for any reentry vehicle by any country. The landing of the Space Shuttle is one of the most dangerous parts of the mission. Even if it were a 5 9s procedure, we wouldn't know until we had done 100,000 landings.

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    5. Re:Knee jerk reaction by theolein · · Score: 2

      I didn't make any assertions as to who was doing the posting, just on the reactions to content.

    6. Re:Knee jerk reaction by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
      Damn. You've forced me to inject facts into a perfectly good flamewar. Here [worldbank.org] is a table that seems to indicate that, adjusted for purchasing power, the U.S. comes in third behind Luxembourg and Liechtenstein in gross national income.

      You see? There's plenty more to life than buying power though. Many of these countries have free medical benefits. Also some other countries have extra bonuses, Sweden has swedish women(!); and if the reports are true about iceland (all of the women look like Sharon Stone), then I'd quite like to live there, even with less spending power; heck that's my next holiday right there! ;-)

      Which one of those do you live in?

      It's not the country, it's the personal circumstances isn't it?

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  14. Re:wow... by foniksonik · · Score: 2

    It would be nice if Slashdot would leverage it's community and reader base into an effective first-hand account news source. The potential is definitely there... motivation and/or purpose seems lacking though.

    Could be a result of being a subsidiary of VALinux/parent company instead of part of a larger media co.

    I think we's all love it if /. became something like the Routers service or even like the BBC.

    Vision:

    Politically neutral tech and tech related news/media/public forum. It is all of these things already but doesn't take itself seriously... and that very well could be a Good(TM) thing.

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  15. Re:"Pull cord to inflate" by foniksonik · · Score: 2

    " Russia should be commended for trying a cool idea. reusing ICBM's and creating cheap spacecraft seems like a good idea...Too bad"

    Yep and they gotta do 'something' with all those missile/rockets they built during the cold-war... what else are they going to do but strive for an economically appealing and viable use. The US should pay attention, especially at the rate that we obsolete our own National Defense Technology.

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  16. Re:$10 says... by MADCOWbeserk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then again, maybe their aim is so off that we would have all survived a WW3

    This just in, Canada brutalized by Russian nuclear weapons... 10 dead. Film @ 11...

  17. Re:"Pull cord to inflate" by stevew · · Score: 2

    Hey, if they had used Duct tape it would have worked. That stuff lasts forever!

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  18. Re:"Pull cord to inflate" by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
    So you weren't impressed with Russia actually launching tourists then? When NASA cannnot?

    Or the fact that ~70% of the ISS is of Russian construction and design?

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  19. Re:Inflatable? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

    This makes me wonder, how would they have prevented it from blowing when it reached the vacuum in outer space?

    The same way you keep an ordinary balloon from exploding. Make sure that the balloon's materials can take the pressure difference.

    There's nothing magical about vacuum.

  20. Re:Inflatable? by Peyna · · Score: 2

    Yup, the same you keep the astronauts suit from exploding, and the same way you keep the space shuttle from exploding and the same way planes can fly at 30,000 feet and the people inside can still breath but the plane doesn't explode.

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  21. Space Junk by guttentag · · Score: 2

    I'd say it was probably struck by some of the space junk that's orbiting the earth at thousands of miles per hour. They should ask the folks on the ISS to keep an eye out for a deflated beach ball.

  22. Bad geography by michalw · · Score: 2, Informative

    No wonder they can't find it, check the webpage of the GPS part makers GPS Tracking of the IRDT-2 Re-entry Capsule quote: "...The IRDT-2 capsule will be launched by a Volna rocket from a Kalmar type submarine in the Baltic sea north of Murmansk..."

    Murmansk is nowhere near the Baltics...

  23. Re:"Pull cord to inflate" by thales · · Score: 2
    " Russia should be commended for trying a cool idea. reusing ICBM's and creating cheap spacecraft seems like a good idea...Too bad"

    A Cool idea but not a new idea. The Apollo program's Saturn boosters were NASA's first man rated booster that wasn't a recycled ICBM. All the Mercury and Gemini astronaunts rode ICBMs into space.

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  24. Somewhere on a primitive island.. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Funny

    .. the natives are worshipping their newly discovered floating God.

    Rogue members have tried unsucessfully to rid their new God, but the rocks and sticks they throw at it magically bounce off and repel back.

  25. Please change your sig... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    It has just become invalid. After you changed it, see if you can book a trip there and see for yourself.

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  26. Re:"Pull cord to inflate" by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    Produced perhaps, yes... but the various military and civilan design bureaus in Russia can still out-engineer many western top outfits, especially in military and aerospace.

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  27. Re:Inflatable? by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

    Natalie Portman is so last year. Now it's all about Kirsten Dunst.