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RoadRunner Blocking Use of Kazaa

An anonymous reader submits: "You should know that RoadRunner is quietly blocking the use of Kazaa in certain markets. Particularly in Texas, they have some sort of port scanner in place which scans for Kazaa activity and then disables use of that port, rendering the program completely useless. Grokster, iMesh, and all other FastTrack programs are similarly affected. Yet RoadRunner is not disclosing the practice in any way. Not only that, I'm troubled by the possibility of them arbitrarily choosing to block other programs in the future. If this becomes more widespread, they will have many angry (and former) customers." The poster provides these four links to forum postings with more information: one; two; three; four.

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  1. Legality by daemones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At what point of blocking a person's internet capability does this become a breach of contract? Once people realize that I can swap files using HTTP, will they remove my ability to browse the web?

    I don't have a contract handy, so if it's covered so be it; But if it _is_ in your contract then maybe you should re-think who you pay $50 a month.

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    Alas, Babylon.
    1. Re:Legality by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most Road Runner outlets have a no server clause. They've had one in the aup for at least 3 years. When I first signed up with them, I hadn't done my research. I asked the sales rep if I could host web/ftp servers and she said she didn't see why not. I asked the tech who installed the same question and he confirmed that it was ok to host servers. Later a friedn told me it was against the aup and sure enough it was. At one point I switched over to DSL and then back to Road Runner. Again I asked the Road Runner sales/techs the same question and they always said it was ok. The following is an excerpt from a nebraska branch of Road Runner. It looks like they may have different terms depending on what market you are in:

      Road Runner AUP6. Customers are strictly prohibited from running server-based applications on Residential Road Runner accounts. This would include, without limitation to the running of HTTP Web servers, FTP servers, Gaming servers, SMTP and POP Mail servers, Domain Name Servers, Chat servers, etc.

      When a business tells you one thing and then does something completely different after you become a subscriber, are there ever any consumer protections that kick in?

    2. Re:Legality by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "At what point of blocking a person's internet capability does this become a breach of contract? "

      If you're interfering with other people's connections, then you are breaching contract. I'm not talking about bandwidth hogging, I'm talking about IP addresses.

      Let me share a little experience I had with you. I had Kazaa running for a couple of weeks to get some eps of MST3k. When I turned it off, I discovered my IP address was being bombarded with hundreds and hundreds of kazaa users sending requests to the port Kazaa used. The number of these requests was so high that I could barely use the internet, and Quake was a joke.

      If ATT&T had rotated addresses, somebody else would have inhereted my garbage. Imagine that for a sec: One day, your internet connection goes to crap, and AT&T has no clue as to why. Chances are pretty good that'll cause customers to blame AT&T's service without realizing the true cause of it.

      In that case, it is possible that your use of Kazaa could severely interfere with other people's internet experience. The more Kazaa users there are out there, the more likely it is going to happen to somebody. The one who gets burned the most is the ISP.

      I don't agree with what they're doing (personally I think they should send me a cable modem that has a built in firewall so I can stop the kazaa traffic myself), but I understand it.

      Only the ISP's know what their real intentions are, but that's something else to consider when you use a prog like that. Now you know why I stopped using it.

    3. Re:Legality by jbolden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Depends on the state. I know in PA the written document would take precedence over the verbal. In Cal the easiest to understand and most clear document generally takes precedence and in case of direct conflict you get to pick which document on a point by point basis. So yes you would have been protected.

      You could try taping the next "yes" you get. RR might be forced to upgrade you to a business level plan :-)

  2. Re:What to do??? by tonywong · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Instead of limiting programs and ports, ISPs should implement another scheme that monitors your traffic amounts and limits the speed in inverse proportion to the amount that you've transferred.

    That way they can run uncapped cable modems. Infrequent users get maximum speed and transfer rates, moderate users get moderate transfer rates, and heavy users (eventually) get slow transfer rates.

    To avoid a congested high speed consumption situation, resets of the rates are done on a rolling basis so everyone has a different monthly reset. A web page should give you your current stats (up, down traffic, current speed cap, amount transferred, reset date etc.)

    That way everyone can be happy, running servers or p2p apps, and if they want to use up all their high speed bandwidth they can be stuck with modem like speeds for the rest of the month without suspension of service. I think you'd find that people who are serving without concern for bandwidth will all of a sudden monitor their own traffic a lot more.

    This also takes the ISP out of the content monitor police service and relegates them to a bandwidth metering service, which is all they and everyone else wants them to do.

  3. Re:So what? by B.+Vhalros · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, many cable ISP's (AT&T for instance, atleast around here) already do block port 80, on the incoming any way. Any packet sent to my port 80 will be eaten by their routers before it ever reaches me. Is this annoying? Yes, now I have to run my webservers on port 81.

  4. More To Come by N8F8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Expect more stuff like this to happen. Here's why:

    Collusion of ISPs - Remember the story last month where the leading companies in the Cable internet Biz got together? Think the only thing they talked about was capping bandwidths lower? Call it the OPEC of the internet. A handfull of companies control the fastest growing, and only viable, highspeed internet access. They can either backbight each other or agree to sell under terms where everyone gets a profitable piece of the pie

    Market consolidation. look to see even more consolidation in the industry. Bandwidth providers combining with connection providers and maybe even content providers. The market is unhealthy with all the instability on Wallstreet many companies are ripe for takover or ready to deal.

    My friends, the days of the "good deals" are over. Cable internet providers know they own the future of internet access and are making sure that future is profitible to the max. Look at it this way, what choice do you have?

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    "God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
    1. Re:More To Come by OneFix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hope you're right, because then the .gov will be forced to file an anti-trust suit against the cable companies.

      You know, there's a reason why those laws exist, and yes, they have a history of "looking the other way", but the abundance of broadband is probably going to change the industry (not as much as HTML / HTTP), but when Joe Six Pack has broadband, it will probably prompt a major re-growth in the industry.

      The funny thing is, not everyone has broadband right now...alot of /. users don't see this, because they hang around with other geeks that are more likely to have broadband.

      When did you see a site that actually put the "power of broadband" to good use.

      I don't know of many. Oh, we see a few things like higher bitrate streaming video or always-on apps, P2P, etc... But in general, the industry is still opperating at 56k...

      And then again, I'm sure the DSL providers can't wait for this...most places that have Broadband Cable either have or are getting DSL. The biggest reason most ppl have gone with cable is the speed, but that can change. Free markets necessitate lower costs and higher quality over a period of time. It's just the way it works. So, if RR pisses off the 5% of their users that most likely bring about more than half of their business, then they will be forced to change policy or drop the service.

      I have RR broadband, and I'm not worried in the slightest. If they become too "difficult", I'll jst switch to DSL/Wireless/etc...And I'll take all of my friends and family with me...

  5. Shared resource by groundclutter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    quoted from: http://securityscan.sec.rr.com/policy.htm
    The Internet is known as a "shared resource", and Road Runner accounts operate using these resources. Excessive use or abuse of these shared network resources by one customer may have a negative impact on all other customers. Misuse of network resources in a manner, which impairs network performance, is prohibited by this policy and may result in termination of your account. You are prohibited from excessive consumption of resources, including CPU time, memory, disk space and session time. You may not use resource-intensive programs, which negatively impact other customers or the performance of Road Runner systems or networks. Road Runner reserves the right to terminate or limit such activities.
  6. Re:There is a clause in the TOS by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "They, and only they, decide what "excessive use" really is."

    Even so, I think they'd have a hard time justifying that a certain P2P application always qualifies as "excessive use" no matter what. For example, if I were to hop on to KaZaA just long enough to download a single 5 MB file (such as an mp3), my bandwidth usage is going to be significantly less than if I download a single 51 MB file via HTTP (such as the latest update for Day of Defeat). So they're limiting users even in cases of non-excessive bandwidth usage, which wouldn't be protected by that TOS clause.

  7. Re:That's why government regulation is needed. by fmaxwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Monopolies rarely appear and never persist without government intervention.

    Monopolies exist whenever the startup costs are high enough to prevent profitable competition. Cable modem/TV is a prime example. Monopolies also exist when there are insufficient customers to support multiple businesses. For example, there is only one store in my area that sells high-end equipment for amateur astronomers. There is only one store that sells and custom-fits foam products (such as is used in custom equipment cases). The government did not create those monopolies nor did they intervene to sustain them.

    Looking for regulation to solve a monopoly problem is very much like expecting the fox to keep your chickens safe.

    Thank you Timothy McVeigh. Federal, state, and local governments do a reputable job of keeping monopolies in check when they put their minds to it. That's why your utility bills are not astronomical.

    Monopolies created and sustained by (typically municipal) governments. Why do you think Cox (or whoever they bought out in your area, more likely) was allowed to lay all that cable across both public and private land, but no one else can lay a competing network the same way?

    Fairfax County never gave Cox (or its predecessor Media Genearal) an exclusive contract. They have encouraged other cable companies to enter the market and run competing networks. The only competitor that seriously considered entering the market was RCN but they eventually backed out because they believed that the cost to run the network, when weighed against the likely number of subscribers, would have meant that profitability would have been unlikely. Fairfax County is still looking for a company willing to compete in the cable TV/modem arena. If you know any, send them our way.

  8. Re:There is a clause in the TOS by RickHunter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, I imagine it'd be more like "you're hosting MP3s for an indie music label that competes with us. Since we control all high-speed access in your region, we control your ability to do this. We have therefor capped your account to 2400 baud. Please enjoy your AOL-TW "Unlimited" service package."