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Roxio Clarifies Mac Toast EULA
Durindana writes "MacInTouch is quoting a Roxio representative saying the new EULA doesn't mean Toast for Mac includes DRM, only that it's the same one used for Easy CD Creator, which does."
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So there pretty much saying, were not taking away on of your rights, but we reserve the right to do so later? Is that accurate or am I missing something
July 15 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:59:50 -0700 From: Toast Product Manager Subject: Regarding Toast License Agreement Concerns Hello, I am the Toast product manager. I wanted to set the facts straight with respect to the "Restrictions" section in the end user license agreement (EULA) that is displayed at installation of Toast 5.1.4 and Jam 5.0.1 (both the latest versions of our software). 1) Toast and Jam do not include any digital rights management (DRM) software. 2) Toast and Jam do not dynamically download, upload or update any software on your system, either automatically behind the scenes, or upon your request. 3) Toast and Jam do not store, collect or transmit any personally identifiable information about you or what you record, for any of its partners, or any content provider. Toast and Jam use the same EULA that Roxio's PC burning product, Easy CD Creator, uses. Easy CD Creator leverages aspects of Windows Media Technology, which does include DRM components. Hence, the language in the EULA. Companies frequently share EULAs across products since it saves time and money with respect to legal, documentation and translation into multiple languages. Thank you for your continued support. Regards, Toast Product Manager
I have since emailed Roxio and let them know I will no longer be a customer!
Seems the only way these types will listen is if you hit them in the pocketbook.
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Nothing has changed other than the explanation. So, you're still agreeing to that clause whether or not it was intended for Toast.
all of a sudden i'm 2 cents poorer...
-braxton
TO: ROXIO TOAST PRODUCT MANAGER
Management certainly appreciates your efforts to satisfy our recording industry friends, but care must be taken to ensure that the frog does not notice the boiling water. Apparently some frogs have read the EULA and noticed our intention to add digital rights management code to the next version of Toast (Version 6.0, TOAST eXtreme Pro!(TM); $99 for new users or $99 for upgrading users). We are concerned letting the frogs know too early will drive users to purchase CD burning software from other vendors. It is imperative to take away the rights of our users *slowly* so they don't notice.
Please send some misinformation to the frogs to get them off track. Use your best judgment, but I recommend that you say something like, "Toast doesn't have DRM in it" or "It's a boilerplate EULA; pay no attention to it" -- well, those aren't very believeable; try to come up with something more realistic. And when you write your message, try not to use the word "suckas".
Regards,
ROXIO MANAGEMENT
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
The door has been opened and once opened can't be closed. By using said software you are agreeing to the ELUA, so they are free to enforce or add DRM elements when ever they wish. One wonders why DRM is in PC products and not Mac products, Roxio must be responding to the desires of the music/video industry when on the PC but ignoring on the Mac, if they decided to so so once the chances of it happening again are pretty much assured.
Ah... I can so clearly hear the whir of a dirty freewheel and the tick of a grimey chain as Roxio tries to do some serious backpedaling. Sure wouldn't want to be them right now... it must feel like they have an RIAA semi-truck bearing down on them and now their customers in the Slashdot mobile ahead of them just slammed on the breaks. I wonder which will hurt more?
The line between terrorist and patriot depends on which side of the molatov cocktail you are on.
If it's in the EULA (legalese), Roxio may not interpret it to mean the same tomorrow as it explains it to mean today. They may still be tempted to DRM your PC tomorrow, IMHO.
Toast Product Manager
As others have noted, the "it's just bolierplate" argument won't prevent Toast Legal Counsel from saying, at some future time, well, you agreed to the EULA and we've changed our minds, too bad sucker.
I'd give the benefit of the doubt to Toast Product Manager and assume that Toast Legal Counsel was pulling the wool over his eyes too, except....
Toast Product Manager is such an odd name, it makes me wonder if he's hiding behind his title. I mean, if you're on the up and up, why not use your own name?
--orthogonal
(Oh, I forgot, the culture of "personal responsibility" has given way to the culture of "no controlling legal authority".)
Opinions on the Twiddler2 hand-held keyboard?
"Toast and Jam use the same EULA that Roxio's PC burning product, Easy CD Creator, uses. Easy CD Creator leverages aspects of Windows Media Technology, which does include DRM components."
That's supposed to be an explanation? If you're using something from another company that your users object to then it doesn't change the fact that you're still using it. Just because the DRM components come from Windows Media Technology doesn't change the fact that you still have the DRM components in your software. I don't get this. Was this supposed to satisfy anyone's curiosity or outrage about this?
Oh well... my money's going elsewhere still until their product manager comes forth with revised plans that exclude DRM components. Period. No excuses. They'll find out the hard way.
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
I just sent Roxio another e-mail telling them I'm pissed. The URL to do so is here.
This is the message I sent:
Your Toast project manager has been busy! He's been telling all the Mac faithful that even though the new EULA for Toast says you can use DRM, you won't. Is this a promise? Are we supposed to take his word for it? Because honestly, when confronted between believing a legal document, or some "Toast Manager", I believe the legal document. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the Toast EULA says you can use malware, YOU'RE USING MALWARE. If you're not now, you will later, and that scares me. Once again, I am no longer your customer.