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Maglev Chip Finds Niche in Power Tools

andhar writes: "This story in the Financial Times just goes to show you that it's often not the sexiest application of a technology that makes the best business sense. 'Today, while "maglev" trains remain a technological curiosity, linear motors are being quietly exploited in the less obviously glamorous field of machine tools. One of the leaders in such applications is Forest-Liné, a French company that makes products vital to the competitiveness of much larger industrial businesses' My margaritas want a maglev blender!"

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  1. Maglev vibrator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Small, quiet, discreet, and energy-efficient. Who says chicks can't get into technology?

  2. this is actually pretty cool by e7 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rock-solid slides for milling machines would rock the world. No, it ain't a sexy application, but it brings us a step closer to the ideal manufacturing scenario, where mechanical parts can actually be CNC-milled before they're even designed.

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    1. Re:this is actually pretty cool by e7 · · Score: 3, Funny
      time travel, which seems pretty sexy to me

      Personally I prefer sentient females, but hey, whatever floats your boat. :)

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    2. Re:this is actually pretty cool by John+Hasler · · Score: 2


      Rock-solid slides for milling machines would rock
      the world.

      Widespread deployment of hexapod milling machines would rock the world: no slides at all.

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    3. Re:this is actually pretty cool by Samedi1971 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Rock-solid slides for milling machines would rock the world.

      Quality milling machine slides are already rock-solid. The gain from linear motors is speed. As the article mentions, this can benefit very large milling operations like milling a long slot in an aircraft wing. In most milling operations, torque is more important than speed, because you've got to keep the work stationary against the cutting forces.

      If you really want speed in a CNC machine, just gear the servos or steppers up instead of down. It'll work great as long as you keep your cuts light.

      No, it ain't a sexy application,

      CNC is always sexy!

      but it brings us a step closer to the ideal manufacturing scenario, where mechanical parts can actually be CNC-milled before they're even designed.

      I doubt these linear motors run fast enough to travel in time.

    4. Re:this is actually pretty cool by armb · · Score: 3, Funny

      > mechanical parts can actually be CNC-milled before they're even designed.

      I've seen that done. It's called fucking up.

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    5. Re:this is actually pretty cool by Dirtside · · Score: 2

      I noticed you didn't say "sentient human females," and I'm not sure whether I should congratulate you for being open minded, or whether I should flee in terror.

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    6. Re:this is actually pretty cool by jafac · · Score: 2

      No, the ideal manufacturing scenario is casting everything with no machining (extra step, waste products, expensive equipment requiring skilled operators, and periodic replacement bits, which are also very expensive).

      If everything could just be cast - perfectly, then, well metal things would be as cheap as plastic.

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  3. I think you have that backwards by orz · · Score: 5, Funny
    Who says chicks can't get into technology?

    Who says technology can't get into chicks?

  4. Yeah, so's my toothbrush by Belly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is news? My electric toothbrush has a linear motor..

    http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/pe rs onal_care/oral_care.asp#technobrush

  5. curiosity? by MiTEG · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "maglev" trains remain a technological curiosity?
    I disagree. In China (actually Germany I think), one is being built now. Maybe still a curiousity, but only as much as anything else that is part of an evolving technology.

    In my mind, the best application, and perhaps the most glamorous, is in energy storage using electromagnetic flywheels. A few years back, Scientific American published an article about electromagnetic flywheels being used as backup generators; get them spinning once and bury them underground, with almost no friction then spin for a LONG time. Power goes off, all you have to do is turn on the generator and you've got power to the length of time relative to the mass of the flywheel. For a while that was part of the big hype about hydrogen powered fuel cells in cars, though the 100,000RPM flywheel seems to seems to have scared away a lot of people.

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    1. Re:curiosity? by altgrr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was a Maglev railway set up way back in 1984 to take passengers from Birmingham International station to the airport it served, and it worked, albeit briefly. However, it was closed in 1995 and a new, but far less exciting, railway link is being set up.

      This site (cache of a BBC page) gives a few details on the old Maglev system that was in use - it doesn't look as impressive as the 350mph+ trains being trialled in Japan though.

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    2. Re:curiosity? by Beliskner · · Score: 2
      100,000RPM flywheel
      There are lots more benefits to no friction, this technology could be used in hard disks to suspend the platters in mid-air, this would also eliminate run-out problems that ball bearings in raceways have. It might even be better than the new fluid bearings. 100,000 RPM in a hard disk sounds mighty cool to me.
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    3. Re:curiosity? by aiabx · · Score: 2

      They're fine, as long as you use them in opposing pairs.
      -aiabx

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    4. Re:curiosity? by Beliskner · · Score: 2
      Jet engines have an RPM of 30,000 or higher, plus they get birds sucked in there. I don't think platter manufacturers have really tested the limits, such as by using jet engine materials

      These energy levels are used everyday, face it, it's easy to die - ever seen a biker's piston fly out of his engine at 7500rpm? I'm telling you bikes should have auto gearboxes, many still have manual and this piston will give you more than just a sore ass. Jet engines despite having to be light to minimise fuel consumption can still lose turbine blades after sucking in birds without throwing the blade out of it's casing and through the cabin, slicing the plane in half. Face it, it's just another way to die, but still with the right mediahype I think we'll see aluminium cases becoming illegal in California.

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  6. Re:leave it to the French by DrVxD · · Score: 5, Funny

    > the germans who have a pump company called Schwing?

    That's nothing - there's an Italian cooker manufacturere called Smeg. And to make things even better, their domain names is Smeg It.

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  7. Shaken not stired!!! by Slashamatic · · Score: 2

    A well known fictional character prefered his dry martinis "Shaken not stirred". With a this form of agitation a linear motor has some applicability.

  8. Yawn (again) by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Informative
    Nothing new there. Is Slashdot a nostalgia technology site????

    More than 20 years ago, I remember seeing at a computer show a daisywheel printer whose head was propelled by a linear motor (it was manufactured by a subsidiary of Exxon).

    And in 1984, in Toronto, the Scarborough RT (Rapid Transit) line opened, which was the first full scale ICTS implementation. Since then, the small linear motor subway has found home in Vancouver and Detroit.

  9. A Matter of Opinion by John+Hasler · · Score: 2


    Today, while "maglev" trains remain a
    technological curiosity, linear motors are being
    quietly exploited in the less obviously
    glamorous field of machine tools.

    I consider machine tools that actually make things much more interesting then commuter trains hauling carloads of suits back and forth between their offices and their McMansions.

    And 'MagLev' is not a synonym for 'linear motor'.

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  10. Re:Any labor unions using this? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

    It was about adopting linear motor technology
    (orginally invented for trains I guess)

    Linear motors were not invented for trains. They've been around a lot longer than maglev.

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  11. don't confuse the two by redtoade · · Score: 3, Informative

    "My margaritas want a maglev blender!"

    There's a difference between levitation and propulsion.

    From the Financial Times article: "Linear motors are "flattened out" versions of conventional rotary motors. As their name implies, they promote linear motion - of the kind required in many kinds of machine tools that use a large number of sliding and shuttling actions, fundamental to the job of cutting metal."

    Linear motors are just rotary motors cut and laid out flat... or another way to explain them is a rotary motor of infinite radius.

    "Maglev" is obviously short for magnetic levitation. Linear motors are common in maglevs simply because there is an air gap between the vehicle and the track. It would be very difficult to use conventional motors in such a system whithout driving wheels (or mechanical friction). However, other types of propulsion can also be used... such as jet engines, solid rocket boosters, etc. Although perhaps not practical for commercial trains, a maglev with rocket propulsion could be used for launching scram jets from the ground.

    Linear motors can be used without magnetic levitation. It is completely feasible to use a linear motor on conventional wheeled "people movers." Although this application is rare since linear motors typical consume more energy than rotary motors.

    1. Re:don't confuse the two by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2

      Thanks for your clear informative explanation. I would add one point though. Most people when they hear the term MagLev infer that what is being talked about involves superconducting magnets. Unless there has been a dramatic revolution in room temperature superconductors that I haven't heard about, I don't think we will be seeing those kinds of MagLev devices being put into household appliances in the near future. If you need a super-cold refrigerator to store a ready source of liquid Nitrogen, it would be a very efficient method of powering a household fan to keep you cool on a hot day.

  12. Already commercialized... in 1984ish! by cutecub · · Score: 2, Informative

    Brother Typewriter had a product in the mid 80's called the Brother EM-1 electronic typewriter. The print carraige rolled back and fourth on a Linear Moter.

    It had the advantage of having no belts or pulleys. Nothing to tighten or replace. It couldn't get out of alignment.

    They abandoned it in later models for a wire pulley system. I guess the fact that it sounded like a BART train freaked people out.

    -Cutecub

  13. Linear motors are widely available by toybuilder · · Score: 2

    Linear motors have been around for quite a while in non "levitation" applications to:

    BTW, why did the FT put a picture of a CCD imager chip on an article about linear motors?

  14. Turn-tables by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

    Have been doing this for years.

  15. That's what they all say by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2

    Small, quiet, discreet, and energy-efficient.

    That's what they all say to their boyfriends. "No hon, this little thing is just to keep me content until you arrive home; it can't satisfy me the way you do!"

    But when they're in the ol' self-pleasure isle with the other gals, they're checking out the gas powered air/oil cooled 2.5hp variable speed "Super-O(TM)" with multiple attachments, and free oil changes and tune-ups for one year.

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  16. Re:this is actually pretty cool - but not news. by gessel · · Score: 2, Informative

    They're not "new," we used Anorad linear motors back in college too many years ago to remember, back mapping the EMF using a sub-nanometer resolution laser interferometer to improve the velocity and position accuracy (they've been around since the '50s).

    Currently I help design machines that use a mixture of linear motors and ball screws as appropriate. In applications with high linear speed, short/medium stroke, and no static hold requirement, linear motors are a good choice.

    If you move slowly, that long chain of rare earth magnets isn't a good investment compared to a ball screw (but the ones that came out of a linear motor we broke that are on my refrigerator really impress people.)

    If you need a long stroke, that chain of magnets gets very expensive ( though they're used for elevators sometimes.) On the other hand, ball screws can be limiting in applications requiring long length as the driven mass increases linearly with the length of the drive, not the case with a linear motor.

    If your application requires extended static holds, then a ball screw is a lot easier to integrate.

    For most machine tool applications they aren't really a good choice (since machine tools typically have feed rates and target accelerations well suited to ball screws) but a number of companies do build machines with linear motors for one or more axis, and they tend to dominante the "ultra-high speed machining market."

    This is a decent comparison of the strengths and weaknesses of the two dominant linear motion technologies for the curious.

    Now if you want a really new technology for linear motion appropriate to high accuracy machining, then what you really want is hydrostatic leadscrews and bearings.

  17. glad some of you got the joke ... by e7 · · Score: 2

    I just wanna know who marked me Informative ... were they going by 'buzzwords,' or what ... ?

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