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Broadcasters Appeal Royalty Ruling

tanveer1979 pointed out this story, but his summary of it wasn't much good. :) According to Reuters and Kurthanson.com, broadcasters (regular radio stations, not webcasters) are appealing a year-old ruling which would require them to make the same royalty payments for webcasting that webcast-only stations have to make. They're arguing that Congress intended the royalty payments to apply only to internet services which allow one to pick what music one receives - if the listener is force-fed a stream, like regular radio, Congress didn't intend for the royalty payments to apply.

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  1. good luck........ by dciman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish these guys the best. But I seriously doubt they have much chance of changing the ruling. I fear the RIAA and big business has too strong a hold on the key parties in congress for them to be able to make much head way. It is really sad that the RIAA seeks to have such a strangle hold on every possible outlet for media. Which of course means one thing...support your local independent music scene!!!

    1. Re:good luck........ by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well since Clearchannel seems to always get what they want when it comes to congress and they are against the fees I would guess that it will be a tough battle. Since there is popular support for killing the fees it may happen as we are aproaching an election cycle and a combination of big $ from clearchannel and popular setiment are both things congresscritters look for at that time.

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  2. Cue Nelson by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and broadcast giants like Clear Channel Communications Inc. would be on the hook for 70 cents for each song played to an audience of 1,000 listeners.

    Would this be a textbook example of an "unintended consequence?"

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  3. I hope they lose by CableModemSniper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the one hand the law makes life difficult for teh webcasters so maybe the law itslef needs to be looked at. But if IRL radio stations get special treatment just because they happen to be IRL radio stations, thats just wrong. Suck it up and take your lumps like everybuddy else. Hopefully the stations will begin to realize how dangerous the RIAA is when it starts cutting into their profits. The more infighting the better.

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    1. Re:I hope they lose by WEFUNK · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While we're hoping for things, I hope they BOTH lose and that consumers and independent webcasters and artists win. Actually, I also hope they both WIN, but only on the points that benefit consumers.

      Unlikely I know, but when you have big money (Music) against big money (Radio) things start to get interesting and not so clear cut. Both sides will invest a lot of money to offer up compeling arguments for their side and against the other side. This is the ideal time for the little guy to come in and offer the wisdom of Solomon, selectively using the arguments of both parties to point out a rational compromise that benefits the end user and appeals to common sense.

      Just a dream? Maybe. But there is a finite likelihood that a judge or lawmakers will propose a compromise. Since we agree with some of the arguments from both sides, why not lobby to ensure that the compromise is split to the consumers benefit? Also, this approach provides the politician or judge attractive rationale to justify what might otherwise be an arbitrary solution.

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  4. I hope the ability to "save" isn't the only point by dave_mcmillen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article (Reuters): "But Congress intended the law to apply only to services that would enable users to select and download songs, not online radio-style broadcasts that do not allow users to save songs, the broadcasters said in their appeal." [emphasis added]

    If the ability to "save songs" is the main issue, there could be trouble if somebody realizes how easy it is to record streamed audio. Just click your favourite "record directly from the sound card" application, and there you are: a nice sound file containing the song you want.

    Of course, you can do this with real radio broadcasts, too, but everyone's decision-making abilities go haywire as soon as the word "digital" enters the debate: the streamed version would yield a DIGITAL copy of the song in question, and is therefore evil and scary.

    But here's hoping the broadcasters win. It would be great news for webcasters: just eliminate choice, the way God intended, and you're allowed to broadcast over the Web for free!

  5. not only the money by billybobSDK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Money is not only the only issue here. A big portion of the law requires radio stations to keep an unreasonable amount of records regarding the number of listeners at any given time, all kinds of information about the song. This alone would crush the independent (college etc.) radio stations that simply cannot afford to implement the infrastructure. What is happening is that independent stations will forced out of the market, while the big boys who can afford the equipment will serve to further homogenize American music.

    1. Re:not only the money by autechre · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Non-profit radio stations (such as college radio) pay a set fee to ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC every year for the right to broadcast works by their artists. AFAIK, BMI is the only one which requires you to submit log sheets (randomly selected 3 days' worth, once a year).

      Almost all college radio stations submit at least their weekly top 30 songs to the College Music Journal, because if you're not listed in there, labels and distributors (for very small labels) are far less likely to send you music (and posters, and Weezer pocket protectors, and...).

      The parent post is correct: it's mainly the logging requirements that will be the issue. Crap like requiring a "unique identifier" and the listener's time zone means that you can't have a directory like shoutcast where people just click on the streams and listen; you've got to get them to fill out forms at your site EVERY TIME. This is terrible, and wrong; even if we're going with the "pay per listener per song" crud, as long as I dutifully keep track of the time period each listener tuned in, I shouldn't have to say anything else. That's a strain on the listener and the station, and an invasion of the listener's privacy.

      I plan on writing (Free) software to do whatever it takes to stay around (see my .sig!), but I sure hope it gets easier than what the RIAA has proposed.

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  6. small broadcasters... by simpl3x · · Score: 4, Insightful

    unfortunately, this law pretty much kills local/college/independent webcasting, and leaves the the crap from regular radio with a monopoly. the web could provide some really interesting stuff down the road, particularly with wireless capabilities in cell phones. stream'n web broadcasts through your web enabled phone, mmm!

    and clear channel is not exactly a pussycat!

  7. What you guys are missing ... by JoeBuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... is that the radio stations' argument, that "Congress intended the law to apply only to services that would enable users to select and download songs, not online radio-style broadcasts that do not allow users to save songs", if it prevails, would eliminate the payments not only for radio stations, but for net-only streaming services, as long as it's a stream where the program director or DJ, not the individual listener, chooses the songs to play. Nowhere are they saying that they deserve special rights because they have an FCC license to broadcast on the radio. It is the RIAA spokesman who is saying that the radio stations are seeking "special treatment".

    Given this, I don't understand the objections I'm seeing here.

    1. Re:What you guys are missing ... by Dr_LHA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Typically, I use webcasted music to be exposed to new bands and genres, and I don't see how the music industry could be opposed to that. Sheesh.

      Because at the moment webcasting represents a level playing field in terms of what gets played. This means that the big record companies (lets face it the RIAA are not looking after the interests of small indie labels - only the Sonys of this world) can't control what you listen to.

      The result is: You start buying stuff from small labels intent on quality and rewarding the artists. Sales on major labels go down. Anarchy and/or Communism ensues.

  8. darned if you do, darned if you don't by MarvinMouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, here's an interesting catch-22.

    If CCU gets the rights to broadcast online without paying the fees, then it looks really bad for everyone involved because it'll look like congress and the big corps are all scratching eachother's backs. As well, the recording companies will raise more hell because they won't be getting all of the money they feel they deserve.

    If CCU doesn't get the rights to broadcast online without paying the fees, then CCU will raise all hell, because they already broadcast for minimal fees over radiowaves. Plus, having a media conglomerate mad at you isn't a good way to win elections, I think the politicians have found.

    This situation, if resolved, will be resolved totally behind closed doors I think, because short of repealing the law altogether, the only solution will leave everyone with egg on their faces.

    Just a really interesting catch-22 when laws aren't thought through completely.

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  9. Biggest Winners by faithfriends · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its ironic the biggest winner is generally keeping its mouth shut. The behemoth AOL Time Warner is keeping its mouth shut, it stands to be a huge winner on both sides of the battle. AOL will continue charging consumers and taking out of one pocket to pay the record companies in the other pocket. It gets to easily eliminate smaller competitors through "legislation" while consumers lose out in the end.

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  10. slogan by tps12 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I propose a new anti-royalty slogan: "In 1776 we fought to rid America of royalty. Let's not bring it back." It uses the two definitions of "royalty" to add humor to the message, which is that royalties are unamerican. Thoughts?

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  11. Re:I hope the ability to "save" isn't the only poi by Spy4MS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's still easier to use Streambox Ripper to grab the link and record the stream, rather than the audio. That way you get a copy that is exactly as good as the one that got streamed.

    There's currently no way to prevent stream rippers from saving songs. Even with a lot of fancy Javascript hiding the stream's URL, you can get it through a packet sniff of the http request.

  12. Not so fast, Joe by JoeShmoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, what you are missing is that radio stations are saying that the NAB fees they are already paying should cover them regardless of the transition method (radio or Internet)...which makes sense.

    So in a sense, the radio stations say they don't want to be charged twice for the same thing. The FCC license only gives them permission to be on the air, it doesn't have anything to do with what they can play on the air. If it wasn't for the NAB, radio stations would be pretty bleak (probably just all talk shows).

    So webcasters are still screwed. Even if the radio stations succeed and get the precident set that stream-only radio-style webcasting doesn't get charged an additional fee...there is still the problem that webcasters can't join the NAB and pay a general royalty tax to gain a compulsary license.

    A silver lining this is not...

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  13. No, the NAB wants special treatment for radio by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    The National Association of Broadcasters is asking for special treatment for Internet transmissions by "FCC-licensed broadcast stations". In the NAB's words:
    • Summary of Argument:
      AM/FM streaming -- the Internet transmission by an FCC-licensed radio broadcaster of the program fare offered by such broadcaster pursuant to its FCC license -- constitutes a "nonsubscription broadcast transmission" within the meaning of Section 114(d)(1)(A) of the Copyright Act, and thereby is exempt from the limited performance right in sound recordings conferred by Section 106(6) of the Act.

      ...

      While there is thus no need to resort to legislative history, that legislative history nevertheless confirms the plain language construction of the "nonsubscription broadcast transmission" exemption, and demonstrates that Congress did not intend to impose sound recording public performance copyright liability upon FCC-licensed terrestrial broadcasters that simultaneously stream their radio programming to listeners via the Internet.

    So the NAB does want a special deal for FCC-licensed radio broadcasters. Internet-only webcasters would not benefit from this deal. Nor will they benefit if the NAB wins this lawsuit. Read the filing.
  14. Hobbling the competition is the point by FaithAndReason · · Score: 4, Informative

    Way back in 1995, the NAB and RIAA already began to realize that the Internet might be a threat to their established business. (Hey, they may be greedy, but they're not stupid!) So, they did what you might expect an established American business to do: they bought a law to protect themselves against competition, the DPRA (cool - another 4-letter acronym to hate!)
    According the NAB's own words in the linked "summary" posting, p.4:

    The impetus for the legislation was concerns of the recording industry that certain emerging businesses enabled by developing digital transmission technologies might provide music transmissions of such nature and quality as would displace record sales.

    This little gem of a quote is part of the NAB's appeal document! The NAB/RIAA does not even attempt to hide the fact that the purpose of the DPRA was specifically to target select-and-download services and prop up "no-choice" broadcasting.

    Unfortunately for them, the US Copyright Office refused to play along, and decided that all Internet streams would be charged similarly. So, they're understandably upset that the law they bought and paid for isn't protecting them as well as they'd like. (Some days, even a CongressCritter is a lousy investment...)

    Unfortunately for the rest of us, the law was clearly intended to exempt them from royalties, so they'll probably get a "clarification" buried deep within the next huge steaming pile of legislation regarding the Office of Homeland Security or whatever.

    As to those who have posted "hey, Congress won't do that -- it will make it way too obvious that they're supporting the fat cats in the RIAA!": what color is the sky in the world where you live (and how can I get there?)

  15. I work in the radio industry.... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to work for "the evil empire (AKA Clear Channel)", at their Internet portal station Worldclassrock.com. They had intended to run all their net stations as regular radio stations with one single exception: the ability to click on the title and buy the record online. Seems to me that this would benefit the RIAA, not hurt it.
    At the time we ran about 12 different streams, only three of them approaching FM quality. Those three streams (64K Win Media, 64K Real G2, 96K Real G2) were constantly rebuffering even on big pipe broadband connections.
    I'll tell you this with certainty: making a good quality recording with real time streaming is almost impossible. There's simply too many interruptions to the stream! I think the reason downloading music files is so popular is that they don't happen in real time so the resultant file has time to become complete.
    Once again the RIAA has proven to the world how purely dumb they are.

  16. a reply from nancy pelosi by petong · · Score: 3, Informative

    this is a reply I received from Nancy Pelosi after writing her regarding the CARP proposal:

    Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about the Digital
    Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and the royalty fees for webcasters that
    were recommended by the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP). I
    appreciate hearing from you.

    As you know, on February 20, 2002, CARP released its recommended royalty
    fees for webcasters. The rate for Internet transmissions and for
    retransmission of a performance in an AM/FM radio broadcast was
    recommended to be set at $.14 per performance. On May 21, 2002, the
    Librarian of Congress issued an order rejecting the CARP recommendation,
    and on June 20, 2002 the Librarian of Congress set the rates at $.07 per
    performance. Rates for noncommercial broadcasters as well as the fee
    webcasters and broadcasters must pay for the making of ephemeral
    recordings were decreased from the CARP recommendation.

    When Congress passed DMCA, our intention was that artists and copyright
    holders be fairly paid for commercial uses of their work, while webcasters
    though the Internet would be able to provide competitive programming of
    value to consumers. Congress intended the statutory license process to be
    fair and efficient, so that the webcast industry could be free of legal
    uncertainty, grow quickly and pay creators increasing amounts as the
    industry developed.

    As these rates go into effect for webcasters, please be assured that I
    will be watching this issue carefully. Thank you again for taking the
    time to express your views on this important subject. I hope you will
    continue to communicate with me on matters of concern to you.

    Sincerely,

    Nancy Pelosi
    Member of Congress

    1. Re:a reply from nancy pelosi by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In other words,
      Dear Constituent,

      I've been bought and paid for, but I'll pretend to lend a sympathetic ear.

      Tough luck, Sucker.

      Love, Your CongressCritter
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  17. Re:good luck........ Judicial vs. Congressional by monkeydo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The danger of my "stealing" a song from streaming audio is about the same as my stealing it off the radio.

    The likelyhood, or the dificulty may be the same, but the danger certainly is not. If you record the song from a digital stream you have a same generation copy that you can distribute ad infinitum with no loss of quality.

    Nobody really cares if you tape the radio and share the tapes with your friends. They do care if you make perfect copies and share them with the world on the Internet.

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